Exploit and the Economy
Feathermoore Rep
So with the whole DoA exploit supposedly being fixed now. What do you think is going to happen to the economy? Since this has been artificially inflating the gemset prices for apparently over 5 months, will gemsets spike back up? Ursan still cuts the time in half, so prices should be nowhere near what they were a year ago. But the prices should still increase no?
Oofus
There are still multiple people out there trading with trade windows full of duped Armbraces, you think a few gems can do any more damage than that? The economy is allready fubar.
cosyfiep
the economy, geez, wish it would just be me and the merchant/material traders....
this would get rid of people buying gold to some extent....all items within the reach of the people, then no need of gold sellers.
ugh, the economy.
this would get rid of people buying gold to some extent....all items within the reach of the people, then no need of gold sellers.
ugh, the economy.
Sergeant of Marines
Pretty much what Oofus said. There are still people in this game that have a mulitple number of duped Armbraces (stacks), etc. The Gem Prices will stay the same imo.
upier
I don't care really.
My capture siggies still cost 1k and my armour still costs 15k.
My capture siggies still cost 1k and my armour still costs 15k.
artay
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Originally Posted by upier
I don't care really.
My capture siggies still cost 1k and my armour still costs 15k. |
Cuthroat Dibbler
Yet there are people who DO care and DONT exploit....
not exactly a victimless crime now is it?
not exactly a victimless crime now is it?
I D E L E T E D I
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Originally Posted by Oofus
There are still multiple people out there trading with trade windows full of duped Armbraces, you think a few gems can do any more damage than that? The economy is allready fubar.
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Siirius Black
What do you mean by dupped?
Jake_Steel
Duplicated 12
garethporlest18
It's going to be crap as it usually is. I don't know about the rest of you but I had no trouble when everything was expensive? Maybe ya'll should fail at luck less?
We all know the economy is fubar because what used to be rare is not as rare anymore. Those people that enjoy that need to get banned for ruining fun.
As for price increases? Not much.
We all know the economy is fubar because what used to be rare is not as rare anymore. Those people that enjoy that need to get banned for ruining fun.
As for price increases? Not much.
Coridan
yeah there is no longer any thrill in the game for me... I am a low end casual player who likes to go after rare items... there are non in GW except for asian minis...which the market for controlled by an elite group of players...there for no casual/semi hardcore player can ever afford one... I have well over 1 million gold./ectos and still consider myself casual...not a beginner...but not a hard core player either with 5-6 hrs logged in daily..more like 5-6hrs a week....and now i don't even do that
Maximumraver
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Originally Posted by upier
I don't care really.
My capture siggies still cost 1k and my armour still costs 15k. |
Nothing To Add.
Kabroz the necro
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Originally Posted by upier
I don't care really.
My capture siggies still cost 1k and my armour still costs 15k. |
Tom Swift
lol -
When they add items that sell for more than 1500 armbraces, do you think ANet actually cares about the economy?
Phhhht
I deleted all my chars and have started over and from here on out I neither buy nor sell to other players - period. My chars are going to have to live off their drops because any "economy" in the game has gone to heck.
When they add items that sell for more than 1500 armbraces, do you think ANet actually cares about the economy?
Phhhht
I deleted all my chars and have started over and from here on out I neither buy nor sell to other players - period. My chars are going to have to live off their drops because any "economy" in the game has gone to heck.
Witchblade
zaishen was already the final blow imo ^^
lyra_song
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Originally Posted by upier
I don't care really.
My capture siggies still cost 1k and my armour still costs 15k. |
Ebony Shadowheart
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Originally Posted by lyra_song
armor costs 1.5k per piece
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I don't do high end stuff and I rarely buy/trade with actual people. Too much greed, too much attitude.
Gambit Shinobi
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Originally Posted by Witchblade
zaishen was already the final blow imo ^^
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Sub Frost
Don't really care about gems, so won't bother me much, but i think the prices won't change that much, people still do Mallyx the "legit" way.
Gambit Shinobi
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Originally Posted by Oofus
There are still multiple people out there trading with trade windows full of duped Armbraces, you think a few gems can do any more damage than that? The economy is allready fubar.
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80% of the "elite" and "rich" players are cheaters, dupers, exploiters, and/or "hackers." 10% are lucky they got rare minis and became wealthy overnight. The other 10% actually worked for their wealth legit.
Holly Herro
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Originally Posted by Gambit Shinobi
Agreed.
80% of the "elite" and "rich" players are cheaters, dupers, exploiters, and/or "hackers." 10% are lucky they got rare minis and became wealthy overnight. The other 10% actually worked for their wealth legit. |
Gambit Shinobi
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Originally Posted by Holly Herro
Hehe, more like 80% are cheats, 19% got rich over night and 1% worked for it xD
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Keithark
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Originally Posted by Coridan
yeah there is no longer any thrill in the game for me... I am a low end casual player who likes to go after rare items... there are non in GW except for asian minis...which the market for controlled by an elite group of players...there for no casual/semi hardcore player can ever afford one... I have well over 1 million gold./ectos and still consider myself casual...not a beginner...but not a hard core player either with 5-6 hrs logged in daily..more like 5-6hrs a week....and now i don't even do that
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Can I have your stuff?
LifeInfusion
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Originally Posted by lyra_song
armor costs 1.5k per piece
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where've you been
Solus Spartan
There was another awesome exploit? And AGAIN I missed out..
No guild hall glitch.
Now I miss the make me rich rich glitch.
ARGHH!!
No guild hall glitch.
Now I miss the make me rich rich glitch.
ARGHH!!
King's Spectre
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Originally Posted by Solus Spartan
There was another awesome exploit? And AGAIN I missed out..
No guild hall glitch. Now I miss the make me rich rich glitch. ARGHH!! |
I agree with everyone else.. as long as folks are wandering around with stacks of braces, who cares about economy.
Feathermoore Rep
I knew the duped armbraces were/are still out there, but I just wanted get other opinions.
And looking through the other thread a few people had farmed over 15+ armbraces each. Asuming everyone did the same amount thats easily over 1500 armbraces...thats a few stacks of armbraces, considering one person could easily have duped this. I guess the real question is how many stacks of armbraces still exist/didnt get deleted from the duping period.
I guess still seeing how the economy is already a messed up as it is, its probably right that it won't have an effect.
And looking through the other thread a few people had farmed over 15+ armbraces each. Asuming everyone did the same amount thats easily over 1500 armbraces...thats a few stacks of armbraces, considering one person could easily have duped this. I guess the real question is how many stacks of armbraces still exist/didnt get deleted from the duping period.
I guess still seeing how the economy is already a messed up as it is, its probably right that it won't have an effect.
Cuthroat Dibbler
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Originally Posted by King's Spectre
. as long as folks are wandering around with stacks of braces......
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(they shouldnt have been allowed to stack. I mean, if Runes - and we've been asking for that for years - wont, why should an Armbrace?)
Since some of the more high profile dupes and exploits were uncovered its become evident that much of the high end economy has been artificial for months and months AND months. In my view the economy is in an irreparable state. Many items have been lost to thegame forever and I would wager even ANet has NO idea just what exactly HAS been taken out.
So, we have a gimped economy, a stock that has little to no accurate record and a residual core of people that can STILL and DO unbalance the economy with fake/illegal goods.
The same Guilds and players come back time and again and f*** us. The same people move to Alt accts to do it all over again and again. I for one am bored of it. To hear exploits have been KNOWN and in exisitence for 6 months or more, ultimately creates the straw that breaks the back. My resolve is now broken.
I have 3 more monuments to get and 2 minis for my HoM, once theyre in place Im now out. Ive read and heard enough to give up the longer game.
Ive realised that much of what I aspired to is truly and totally unobtainable to me no matter how long I play. So ... why bother? Ill wait til GW2 and see what happens.
Alex Morningstar
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Originally Posted by Cuthroat Dibbler
And sadly you nail it right there. As a result of previous exploits and bugs and the inefficient way it was handled, there are stlll 100's of armbraces in game.
(they shouldnt have been allowed to stack. I mean, if Runes - and we've been asking for that for years - wont, why should an Armbrace?) Since some of the more high profile dupes and exploits were uncovered its become evident that much of the high end economy has been artificial for months and months AND months. In my view the economy is in an irreparable state. Many items have been lost to thegame forever and I would wager even ANet has NO idea just what exactly HAS been taken out. So, we have a gimped economy, a stock that has little to no accurate record and a residual core of people that can STILL and DO unbalance the economy with fake/illegal goods. The same Guilds and players come back time and again and f*** us. The same people move to Alt accts to do it all over again and again. I for one am bored of it. To hear exploits have been KNOWN and in exisitence for 6 months or more, ultimately creates the straw that breaks the back. My resolve is now broken. I have 3 more monuments to get and 2 minis for my HoM, once theyre in place Im now out. Ive read and heard enough to give up the longer game. Ive realised that much of what I aspired to is truly and totally unobtainable to me no matter how long I play. So ... why bother? Ill wait til GW2 and see what happens. |
Seriously, it's part of the economy that people will use greed to get money or power. The only thing you can do is hope the governing body of an economy (Anet in this case) has a plan for when this happens.
Which, lol. I doubt it.
Firebaall
Anet should scan player's inventories.
5+ armbraces = deleted
It's painfully obvious (especially with that last bidding war on the panda in high end) that there's massive ill gained "wealth". Very few dupers were punished as were only a few Mallyx cheaters.
I don't think Anet really cares all that much about the "economy" anymore, or they'd actually put forth an honest effort to clean it up.
5+ armbraces = deleted
It's painfully obvious (especially with that last bidding war on the panda in high end) that there's massive ill gained "wealth". Very few dupers were punished as were only a few Mallyx cheaters.
I don't think Anet really cares all that much about the "economy" anymore, or they'd actually put forth an honest effort to clean it up.
Phoenix Tears
anet should have imo really instatly deleted all armbraces after the doa exploit... would have been the best way to avoid inflation and the broken economy that we have now ...
netniwk
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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears
anet should have imo really instatly deleted all armbraces after the doa exploit... would have been the best way to avoid inflation and the broken economy that we have now ...
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Lady S Shiva
gem and armb price will keep dropping until they nerf ursan
silara_jorinset
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Originally Posted by Witchblade
zaishen was already the final blow imo ^^
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Drake Keyotte
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Originally Posted by Firebaall
Anet should scan player's inventories.
5+ armbraces = deleted It's painfully obvious (especially with that last bidding war on the panda in high end) that there's massive ill gained "wealth". Very few dupers were punished as were only a few Mallyx cheaters. I don't think Anet really cares all that much about the "economy" anymore, or they'd actually put forth an honest effort to clean it up. |
Ctb
There is no economy to speak of in Guild Wars, there hasn't been for years, and the design of the game never really allowed a sustainable one to exist anyway. I don't know how people who play this game have managed to convince themselves there's some bubbling economic brew underlying their trades, but there isn't. The only meaningful items in the game are all available through money sinks. The few exceptions (certain runes, rare materials, rare collectible stackables etc.) are not sold in any significant volume.
Look at any MMO and see what you can dabble in, economically:
- Multiple armor pieces
- Weapons
- Shields
- Jewelery
- Self-crafted items
- Consumables
- Craft material
- Craft recipes
- Tools (craft/gathering)
- Dye
- Vanity items
Here is what you can dabble in, economically, in Guild Wars:
- A small portion of the runes available to players in the game
- A small portion of the crafting materials available to players in the game
- Three of the dyes in the game... maybe
- Vanity items
There is no economy in this game because no economy can exist when almost every saleable item is, technically, useless. It might impact the tiny number of people who spend a substantial amount of time trading high-end vanity weapons. The other 99% of us aren't even going to notice you, though, as we're buying a new set of armor from an NPC in Drok's.
Look at any MMO and see what you can dabble in, economically:
- Multiple armor pieces
- Weapons
- Shields
- Jewelery
- Self-crafted items
- Consumables
- Craft material
- Craft recipes
- Tools (craft/gathering)
- Dye
- Vanity items
Here is what you can dabble in, economically, in Guild Wars:
- A small portion of the runes available to players in the game
- A small portion of the crafting materials available to players in the game
- Three of the dyes in the game... maybe
- Vanity items
There is no economy in this game because no economy can exist when almost every saleable item is, technically, useless. It might impact the tiny number of people who spend a substantial amount of time trading high-end vanity weapons. The other 99% of us aren't even going to notice you, though, as we're buying a new set of armor from an NPC in Drok's.
Jeremy Untouchable
/\ true words Ctb
genofreek
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Originally Posted by Ctb
There is no economy to speak of in Guild Wars, there hasn't been for years, and the design of the game never really allowed a sustainable one to exist anyway. I don't know how people who play this game have managed to convince themselves there's some bubbling economic brew underlying their trades, but there isn't. The only meaningful items in the game are all available through money sinks. The few exceptions (certain runes, rare materials, rare collectible stackables etc.) are not sold in any significant volume.
Look at any MMO and see what you can dabble in, economically: - Multiple armor pieces - Weapons - Shields - Jewelery - Self-crafted items - Consumables - Craft material - Craft recipes - Tools (craft/gathering) - Dye - Vanity items Here is what you can dabble in, economically, in Guild Wars: - A small portion of the runes available to players in the game - A small portion of the crafting materials available to players in the game - Three of the dyes in the game... maybe - Vanity items There is no economy in this game because no economy can exist when almost every saleable item is, technically, useless. It might impact the tiny number of people who spend a substantial amount of time trading high-end vanity weapons. The other 99% of us aren't even going to notice you, though, as we're buying a new set of armor from an NPC in Drok's. |
It's not even worth it unless you're selling some e-peen vanity item, like ultra-rare minis, tormenteds, or elemental swords. And even then, they'd better be absolutely perfect.
Zeek Aran
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Originally Posted by lyra_song
armor costs 1k per piece
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