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There's nothing wrong with 3 prot/healers, per se: if you can up your own damage dealing to compensate, the end result it the same.

It's fine for PvE solo H/H play, for example. It does, however, encourage "lazy play", so you're not learning an awful lot about how to keep yourself alive...by yourself. Which is useful stuff to learn, given that if you ever want to go pugging, you're unlikely to have more than two healers, and they may not prioritise you, or even pay you much attention. Learning to selfheal effectively is non-trivial, but extremely useful.

There's also nothing wrong with two duals, whatever coloneh says. Dual attacks are, after all, the most powerful attacks assassins have: as long as you can fire them off often enough you're doing fine. Possibly this is the point to which coloneh is objecting.

Moebius is a great skill for letting you loop duals, and while Moebius-DB is the best loop combo for overall damage, in things like hardmode the addition of twisting fangs into the loop REALLY helps get those tougher targets down faster (everyone loves deepwound). As soon as you're at the dual stage you can indefinitely loop DB and moebius as long as you have energy. If energy is a problem and deepwound isn't essential, critical strike is a fantastic dual for e-management.
You can solo NM shiro with ease using the DB-Moebius-CS etc combo, as long as you have something like wild blow for battle scars removal. Tedious, for sure, but not difficult.

The other classical way of chaining duals is to exploit the offhands that don't need leads: golden phoenix, falling spider etc. If you can score a hit with GPS, and then HotO for a KD, you can go straight back to an offhand (falling spider) and then another dual (say, blades of steel, since you'll have four recharging dagger attacks by that point). So O-D-O-D. Combine this with a rechargeallskills elite like assassin's promise (or moebius again ) and away you go!

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Coloneh, to be fair: you could rephrase all of that more politely. Well, ok: both of you guys could. Play nice, etc etc.

Anyway, since he's taking 3 healers, it's fairly safe to assume H/H play. It's pretty much the de rigeur GW playstyle now (whether this is a good or bad thing is debatable). If you H/H and call targets appropriately, you can get all your muppets to focus on one poor monster while you either deal with the same or attack another: either way, you get a lot more effective spam out of unsuspecting than you might think. H/H parties tend to be fairly poor at mob-wide degen/damage, so you're quite likely to encounter 90+% health targets one after another. With the IAS from critical agility and the doublestrikes from locusts, AND zealous daggers, I don't think the 10e req is a big problem here.


Still, don't get me wrong: you're certainly giving good advice, just..a bit too dismissively.


Titan: everything coloneh says about locust's is..basically true. It's not worth the elite slot, without caveats.

If you want this build to work effectively, you need to take advantage of the ludicrous effective IAS you'll be getting, which means:

either go A/E and take a conjure (fire, lightning etc) and use the appropriate elemental damage daggers

or get a curses necro hero with [skill]Mark of Pain[/skill] and [skill]Barbs[/skill].

or..both.

Honestly, since you've clearly got heroes, I would strongly recommend the necro: with the amount of hits you'll be doing, even the AOE scatter will be too slow to offset the damage you'll do via Mark of pain. I love playing a curses necro, and Barbs + MoP with a rapid attacker is...beautiful (here you WOULD need to drop unsuspecting, though: AOE damage on this scale will leave very few 90+% health enemies).


The other thing to consider is going /Mo and taking either [skill]Vigorous Spirit[/skill] which'll be basically like a far more reliable way of perfection for in-battle healing, or [skill]Restful Breeze[/skill], which is about as good as shadow refuge even with no investment in the relevant attribute: shadow refuge is not a good in-battle heal, even with the bonus heal for attacking: it's more of a "oops I done screwed up: tiem to runz" heal, and for that purpose restful breeze is better.

or /D for Mystic Regen DUH

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as we all eventually do.The synergy between all of these skills is extremely juicy - so if you're going to change anything you'd better have a damn good reason. As far as I know above build > all others.

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Wait wait wait...

You have 3 Monks...

...and 2 of them are HEROES!?!?!?!

Waste much?

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OK, so overall there right, this build could be better. For him it works, it may not be the best, but it gets the job done. Basically Unsuspecting Str. is the BEST lead in the game- with one problem... requirements. If you could assume every target you faced had above 90% health, not to mention energy consumption that comes from spamming it, this is why it doesn't par with other leads. Secondly, if your looking for spam damage why bring twisting fangs? 15 second recharge and 10 energy, just drop twisting fangs and bring golden fang str.- a second offhand will allow you to combo constantly, since each attack type L,OF,D takes only 2 seconds to recharge in your build. But even if you do change the build, Mobius spammer is still going to out dps you and mob better, epsecially if they run vamp and conjure x- in addition if your A/N or you have a hero with a N subclass why not bring Mark of Pain.. meh guess my opinion is pretty much the same, just not as critical. Although if your sin tanking this would work quite well if your dropped your combo and just threw in a conjure x and augury for deep wound...