Heh heh. Grapple < HealSig, no doubt, but Grapple is way more fun. Tried it yet?
KikiRae
Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: May 2007
16 Jan 2008 at 00:45 - 4
By the way you spelled "The" wrong in your topic.
And grapple IS fun.. =]
But staying alive is even more fun.
DDL
Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Nov 2007
16 Jan 2008 at 12:15 - 5
"Teh" is a well known ironic typo, kikirae.
itsvictor
Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jan 2008
22 Jan 2008 at 23:38 - 6
I used that for a while, hoto is unreliable in a lot of situations...
Tyla
Emo Goth Italics
Join Date: Sep 2006
22 Jan 2008 at 23:49 - 7
This looks fun!
/gogo gw try this build and /laugh
moriz
??ber t??k-n??sh'??n
Join Date: Jan 2006
Canada
R/
23 Jan 2008 at 16:17 - 8
a little bit of history:
the original shove assassin showed up just prior to NF release. we didn't have falling lotus strike back then, and the build instead used golden phoenix strike as the second offhand, and triggered off either way of the fox or shadow refuge. it was actually the first "instagib" assassin build ever existed. however, it never went beyond random arenas because it was very one dimensional. in the right hands, it was pretty deadly.
now with the decline of SP sins, i believe this build is now the "best" assassin build available. it does almost as much damage as an SP sin, but have more utility and self healing. not to mention, this build allows you to run HP armor instead of energy, and the 9 in tactics allows you to use a shield to it's full armor.
in conclusion: i nominate this build as the "best" assassin build current available, and suggest all other builds be measured from this one.
Draco Angelus
Academy Page
Join Date: Nov 2006
Guild in Pyjama's [PJs]
A/
23 Jan 2008 at 16:48 - 9
Now I can't be sure of this of course, but i kinda doubt it was the very first instagib sin. as I'm quite sure there would have been someone bold enough to have used a 5-chain to spike.
although it may have been the first "Official" instagib build available.
Pyro maniac
Desert Nomad
Join Date: Apr 2006
23 Jan 2008 at 18:55 - 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Draco Angelus
Now I can't be sure of this of course, but i kinda doubt it was the very first instagib sin. as I'm quite sure there would have been someone bold enough to have used a 5-chain to spike.
although it may have been the first "Official" instagib build available.
before that there were AoD shock sins and YAA sins.
Still good, but not 'instagib'
Sir Pandra Pierva
Forge Runner
Join Date: Apr 2007
Sardelec yelling at Tenshi
Angels Of Strife
E/
23 Jan 2008 at 20:05 - 11
lol KD sins are fun to play
I do an A/MO
12+1+1 deadly arts
12 smiting
1 healing
[skill]Signet of Judgment[/skill][skill]Augury of Death[/skill]or[skill]Enduring Toxin[/skill]or[skill]Scorpion Wire[/skill][skill]Iron Palm[/skill][skill]Holy Strike[/skill][skill]Entangling Asp[/skill][skill]Stonesoul Strike[/skill][skill]Restful Breeze[/skill] Rez or in AB [skill]Dash[/skill]
This is my KD piss people off build it works amazingly well in lower areas and is very good at pissing off monks.
Basicly just go from left to right or try to interupt, though its a little harder with the kds to do it, just keep them knocked down and follow up Iron Palm with holy strike and asp with soulstone. it makes short work of most people if you use the enduring build it puts out 9 degen as well.
Its funny this build is a pile of shitty skills put together that works in really low end PvP AB and RA but its always great for pissing people off.
I tried this build after jokingly posting something close to in an other topic about using the 2 touch smiting skills. I tried it out for kicks and to see what would actually happen. Many pissed off people later I think the build works pretty well. Doesn't do shit for dmg but all that KD is bound to annoy someone and if your group is not full of idiots you can lockdown a monk for a brief period of time and do dmg to him allowing your group to kill him or others. No matter how protted he is
kosh
Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Dec 2005
hydrponic agriculture society [Herb]
Mo/
23 Jan 2008 at 20:22 - 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva
lol KD sins are fun to play
I do an A/MO
12+1+1 deadly arts
12 smiting
1 healing
[skill]Signet of Judgment[/skill][skill]Augury of Death[/skill]or[skill]Enduring Toxin[/skill]or[skill]Scorpion Wire[/skill][skill]Iron Palm[/skill][skill]Holy Strike[/skill][skill]Entangling Asp[/skill][skill]Stonesoul Strike[/skill][skill]Restful Breeze[/skill] Rez or in AB [skill]Dash[/skill]
This is my KD piss people off build it works amazingly well in lower areas and is very good at pissing off monks.
Basicly just go from left to right or try to interupt, though its a little harder with the kds to do it, just keep them knocked down and follow up Iron Palm with holy strike and asp with soulstone. it makes short work of most people if you use the enduring build it puts out 9 degen as well.
Its funny this build is a pile of shitty skills put together that works in really low end PvP AB and RA but its always great for pissing people off.
I tried this build after jokingly posting something close to in an other topic about using the 2 touch smiting skills. I tried it out for kicks and to see what would actually happen. Many pissed off people later I think the build works pretty well. Doesn't do shit for dmg but all that KD is bound to annoy someone and if your group is not full of idiots you can lockdown a monk for a brief period of time and do dmg to him allowing your group to kill him or others. No matter how protted he is
WOW...so u came up with ass casters yourself? just give me your home adrress so i can send flowers to your mom for you being a retard.
Quote:
Originally Posted by moriz
a little bit of history:
the original shove assassin showed up just prior to NF release. we didn't have falling lotus strike back then, and the build instead used golden phoenix strike as the second offhand, and triggered off either way of the fox or shadow refuge. it was actually the first "instagib" assassin build ever existed. however, it never went beyond random arenas because it was very one dimensional. in the right hands, it was pretty deadly.
now with the decline of SP sins, i believe this build is now the "best" assassin build available. it does almost as much damage as an SP sin, but have more utility and self healing. not to mention, this build allows you to run HP armor instead of energy, and the 9 in tactics allows you to use a shield to it's full armor.
in conclusion: i nominate this build as the "best" assassin build current available, and suggest all other builds be measured from this one.
heal sig? it suck on a warrior with much more armor than a sin...
and how do u plan to take advantage of 9 tactics? every time u dash out and swap sets? so beside try to instant kill anyting u useless?
and your being proud of coming up with this build? gg go xoo.
this shove sin build is so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing stupid as allmost as monk/shove spike.
this is not my sin. just a build i use. but mi not making an ass out of myself saying staff like: i came with ass casters or like moriz saying that xoo came with instantgib sins or even this silly shove sin.
edit: from futer reading sir panda post the more is become clear that u are that kind of player who thinks that "omg i killed u,die sob" thing. how to put it" piss people",
u see, your a scrub. u dont want to get better in the game, u dont think that that build is trash. u think because u can kill ppl it own. its not. its a grief build. just like that you are a greif player. u and other like you are the reason that ppl stop pvping... u make pvp a bad name, u make gw players a bad name.
u fail at the game but insted of getting better, u try to find ways to still suck at the game and win. instead of reading wiki,forums, u come over here, and try to post a ass caster build and being all proud and cocky? what the hell? gtfo.
Tyla
Emo Goth Italics
Join Date: Sep 2006
23 Jan 2008 at 21:41 - 15
Kosh, please stfu as you have nothing constructive to say.
Agreed people saying "I made this build", but if you call instigibs Griefing, blame the designers of 'Sins, INSTIGIB IS PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY SIN BUILD APART FROM MOEBIUS/OTHER CLASS'S WEAPONS.
Shove sin scores kills, correct - 12345678 combo - correct, but then people find it fun.
I like the build because it has 3 extra slots to spare.
BTW - "u" give a bad name to literacy, and your flame is completely stupid.
If your going to be a jerkoff, do it somewhere else.
Not to mention sins are EXTREMELY easy to counter.
Bobby2
Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Jun 2007
Delayed in order to meet ANet's high standards
[MaSS]
W/E
23 Jan 2008 at 22:22 - 16
Agreed. The lack of Expose is something I find hard to come to grips with. Also, considering sins get to use Iron Palm, Shove has a hard time being worth it IMO.
@ kosh: don't forget your meds next time.
FlamingMetroid
Jungle Guide
Join Date: Sep 2007
standing on your last control point, while the rest of your team is to busy killing mine
The Luminaries [Lumi]
A/
23 Jan 2008 at 22:55 - 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by kosh
lots o' bs
calm down geeze >_>
insta killing is what assassins are meant to do, if not then why are they called "assassins"?
I think "u make gw players a bad name"
kosh
Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Dec 2005
hydrponic agriculture society [Herb]
Mo/
24 Jan 2008 at 01:01 - 18
lol. just lol.
so funny that all this a/x come and jump to protract their sins from being shard to pieces. start looking at threads about this game and what was b4 Nf. yeah becasue how many ppl did sins b4 all this alter buuf and nf skills? dont make me laugh.
hey my name is ass caster, because of me (lets just say 50% of the people) stay down on the ground before they even get to cast a single spell.
yay good old blance pvp game. oh RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing joy.
sins were broken to being with. ass casters and instantgib just made them worse. the entire mechanics for the sin Profession is just plain out made stupid.
any mechanic that bypass all the laws of a given closed system (which can be changed) should be changed and dealt with. but a.net chose to look the other way as they always do.
i stand by my statement.
Tyla
Emo Goth Italics
Join Date: Sep 2006
24 Jan 2008 at 01:09 - 19
Kosh, you really aren't being very constructive...
In my opinion you're just flaming because you hate the class.
Either because you suck too much to stop spikes or you get killed by them for not bringing defense...
Sin's WERE broken to begin with, and since the instigib idea was complete junk sins turned out like this - i still think they are quite fun to play but in low-level pvp.
Seriously though, Kosh, if you're opinions are so strong why don't you just make a thread about it instead of sending this one to hell?
ensoriki
Forge Runner
Join Date: Aug 2006
Canada bro.
A/D
24 Jan 2008 at 01:11 - 20
Sin's were broken to begin with?
What was broken before Nightfall?
All I can come up with right now is SOH
moriz
??ber t??k-n??sh'??n
Join Date: Jan 2006
Canada
R/
24 Jan 2008 at 01:16 - 21
and i'm sure nobody said anything about pvp balance. this is a build to run around AB, spike people down, laugh at them as your dual KD's kill whatever skills they are trying to use in response, and /rank their corpses and /dance. it also happens to be a very powerful build in the right hands, potentially more powerful than the SP sins and assacasters. if you can't see it, then i'm not going to waste time spoon-feeding you.
and just so you know, i'm one of the first people to successfully play the assassin pre-NF, in both pve and pvp. if you search through the forums, you'll find that i wrote the first definitive guide on playing sins (now extremely outdated and rather poorly written, but i wrote it). i know more than i really want to know about assassins, so it stands to reason that whatever i find to be effective, it really IS effective.
of course, you can just disregard whatever i have to say and insult me and my guild some more. your choice.
JoeKnowMo
Jungle Guide
Join Date: Oct 2005
Wessst Siiide, USA
Mo/
24 Jan 2008 at 08:50 - 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by moriz
anyways, here's mine:
CS: 9+1
DM: 12+2
tactics: 9
shove {E}
falling lotus
hoto
falling spider
twisting fangs
shadow walk
dash
healing signet
I tried this out in AB and it works quite well.
If you're capping a shrine or attacking a foe adjacent to one of their allies, do you just skip hoto and go to twisting fangs instead?
Keekles
Krytan Explorer
Join Date: May 2005
Floating amongst the ethereal seas of placating breezes.
Like A [Boss]
Mo/
24 Jan 2008 at 09:05 - 23
Oh snap. Drop heal sig for res sig and it still works like a charm in RA... wait a sec... just about anything works like a charm in RA =[
Oh well. I'm bored =D
Bobby2
Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Jun 2007
Delayed in order to meet ANet's high standards
[MaSS]
W/E
24 Jan 2008 at 11:36 - 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeKnowMo
I tried this out in AB and it works quite well.
If you're capping a shrine or attacking a foe adjacent to one of their allies, do you just skip hoto and go to twisting fangs instead?
Yes, you go Falling Spider - Twisting Fangs and Dash back out. You'd be surprised how high the kill rate from just this small chain is
dasullybear
Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Nov 2007
You're basement, eating a ham sandwhich
Mo/
24 Jan 2008 at 19:58 - 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by moriz
and i'm sure nobody said anything about pvp balance. this is a build to run around AB, spike people down, laugh at them as your dual KD's kill whatever skills they are trying to use in response, and /rank their corpses and /dance. it also happens to be a very powerful build in the right hands, potentially more powerful than the SP sins and assacasters. if you can't see it, then i'm not going to waste time spoon-feeding you.
and just so you know, i'm one of the first people to successfully play the assassin pre-NF, in both pve and pvp. if you search through the forums, you'll find that i wrote the first definitive guide on playing sins (now extremely outdated and rather poorly written, but i wrote it). i know more than i really want to know about assassins, so it stands to reason that whatever i find to be effective, it really IS effective.
of course, you can just disregard whatever i have to say and insult me and my guild some more. your choice.
You're massivly inflated ego gave me a few good lol's,
what gave me a few more lol's is how everyone ignores you.
Bobby2
Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Jun 2007
Delayed in order to meet ANet's high standards
[MaSS]
W/E
24 Jan 2008 at 21:56 - 26
If you claim XoO don't know their sins, history proves you wrong.
Sir Pandra Pierva
Forge Runner
Join Date: Apr 2007
Sardelec yelling at Tenshi
Angels Of Strife
E/
24 Jan 2008 at 22:50 - 27
lol
sins were never hard to play people just didnt figure it out fast enough that sins are not ment to tank............
I was taught by someone in my guild about that and learned how to play sins well long before NF.
and is this still a topic about whether sins fail or not or is it about the KD build
moriz
??ber t??k-n??sh'??n
Join Date: Jan 2006
Canada
R/
24 Jan 2008 at 22:57 - 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by dasullybear
You're massivly inflated ego gave me a few good lol's,
what gave me a few more lol's is how everyone ignores you.
obviously the last part is incorrect, 'cause YOU are not ignoring me.
my ego might be overinflated, but that doesn't mean i'm wrong. prove me wrong, or stfu.
and lastly: stop dragging XoO into this. i don't know why you guys are so intent on insulting XoO, but the guild (or massively huge superguild, more precisely) have nothing to do with this discussion/flamewar.
Sir Pandra Pierva
Forge Runner
Join Date: Apr 2007
Sardelec yelling at Tenshi
Angels Of Strife
E/
24 Jan 2008 at 22:59 - 29
Now it seems moriz is trying to make this about some guild.
j/k
also why is it on guru everyone is so sensitive about stuff its funny
ACreator
Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Sep 2006
Mo/
25 Jan 2008 at 02:49 - 30
moriz ois trying to get this business of the Xoo aliance and I think he does the best because our guilds has nothing to do with the business
Bobby2
Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Jun 2007
Delayed in order to meet ANet's high standards
[MaSS]
W/E
25 Jan 2008 at 03:01 - 31
The analogy between Shove and Iron Palm is evident. While the Shove build enables HealSig, SP-Iron Palm allows for an IAS. Deadly Arts can be boosted to 11 assuming accepted runing, and basically allows for the same spike but with higher attack speed.
I went
Shadow Prison {E}
Iron Palm
Tiger Stance
Falling Lotus Strike
Twisting Fangs
Black Spider Strike (SP lasts 8 sec @ DA11. no prob.)
Blades of Steel
Dash - or- Resurrection Signet
Can't deny the power of Blades of Steel, nor of an IAS. Of course the same attacks as in the Shove build could be fitted, but the Shove spike's strength pales to this one's.
You wanted an SP comparison, here it is! ShunGokuSatsu!
RavagerOfDreams
Desert Nomad
Join Date: Dec 2007
somewhere over the rainbow....
A/
25 Jan 2008 at 03:15 - 32
meh i still like mine better :P
mark of instability
shove
falling lotus strike
twisting fangs
falling spider
blades of steel
siphon speed
moriz
??ber t??k-n??sh'??n
Join Date: Jan 2006
Canada
R/
25 Jan 2008 at 03:57 - 33
the real strength of the shove assassin is the frontloaded, CONTINUOUS dual knockdowns. because shove does not have an aftercast, hoto hits just as the target stands up, which means that the target can't do anything for 4 whole seconds. in fact, the shove assassin's KDs fly through so quickly, that under the 25% IAS from battlecry, the SECOND hit of hoto KDs, not the first. with a 33% IAS, hoto won't KD at all because the target won't have stood up yet (which is why the shove assassin does not have an IAS).
the benefit of a essentially 4 second KD cannot be taken lightly. it means that the build will instantly gain a jump on anything out there and does not give the target a chance to respond. even if the target does not die immediately, the combined degen will quickly finish it off while the shove assassin runs off. essentially if played right, the target CANNOT respond.
Tyla
Emo Goth Italics
Join Date: Sep 2006
25 Jan 2008 at 14:57 - 34
Actually i've found under any ias will mess up the timing of HoTo, but then use it skillfully!! >
Jaigoda
Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Oct 2007
IGN Eat Scythes
25 Jan 2008 at 18:17 - 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by moriz
you've stole my shove assassin! BLASPHEMY!!!!
anyways, here's mine:
CS: 9+1
DM: 12+2
tactics: 9
shove {E}
falling lotus
hoto
falling spider
twisting fangs
shadow walk
dash
healing signet
This looks like a fun build. I must try it.
Sir Pandra Pierva
Forge Runner
Join Date: Apr 2007
Sardelec yelling at Tenshi
Angels Of Strife
E/
25 Jan 2008 at 19:17 - 36
I still dont like healing sig
Keekles
Krytan Explorer
Join Date: May 2005
Floating amongst the ethereal seas of placating breezes.
Like A [Boss]
Mo/
25 Jan 2008 at 22:13 - 37
Healing sig works wonders... just don't activate it while you're taking damage or in AoE's. It hurts. A lot.
The tactics also lets me carry around a tactics shield =D With the +16 armor/+26 vs type. It's nice.
tzavong
Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Jan 2008
W/Rt
26 Jan 2008 at 17:20 - 38
Quote:
Originally Posted by moriz
and just so you know, i'm one of the first people to successfully play the assassin pre-NF, in both pve and pvp. if you search through the forums, you'll find that i wrote the first definitive guide on playing sins (now extremely outdated and rather poorly written, but i wrote it). i know more than i really want to know about assassins, so it stands to reason that whatever i find to be effective, it really IS effective.
S
Yeah, and I was the best warrior. Ever.
How can you even say that you were one of the most successful players of the assassin pre-NF, in both pve pvp? Because you wrote the first "definitive" guide on playing sins..
Bad players write guides too..
Doesn't mean you're good
Furthermore, what you say isn't 'great' just because you say it is.
Balanced Stance > your whole combo
Aura of Stability> your whole combo
Bobby2
Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Jun 2007
Delayed in order to meet ANet's high standards
[MaSS]
W/E
26 Jan 2008 at 17:50 - 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by tzavong
Balanced Stance > your whole combo
Aura of Stability> your whole combo
This is true. Let me rephrase: this Shove build is countered by
- A single gimmicky Warrior build
- A crap skill no Monk worth his salt would consider
GG
Pyro maniac
Desert Nomad
Join Date: Apr 2006
26 Jan 2008 at 17:53 - 40
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby2
This is true. Let me rephrase: this Shove build is countered by
- A single gimmicky Warrior build
- A crap skill no Monk worth his salt would consider
GG
balanced stance is sometimes ran on monks.
Aura of stability is often run, at least 2 copies in HA, however also on a off-monk in arena's.
Hence they nerfed the skill twice in a week.
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