Respect Teh Judo!
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by Pyro maniac
Aura of stability is often run, at least 2 copies in HA
not anymore.
Bowstring Badass
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Originally Posted by Pyro maniac
balanced stance is sometimes ran on monks.
Aura of stability is often run, at least 2 copies in HA, however also on a off-monk in arena's.
Hence they nerfed the skill twice in a week.
Hell I run it on the necro support I have for HA for a certain team build. And the skill is somewhat decent still.
Aura of stability is often run, at least 2 copies in HA, however also on a off-monk in arena's.
Hence they nerfed the skill twice in a week.
Hell I run it on the necro support I have for HA for a certain team build. And the skill is somewhat decent still.
tzavong
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Originally Posted by Bobby2
This is true. Let me rephrase: this Shove build is countered by
- A single gimmicky Warrior build
- A crap skill no Monk worth his salt would consider
GG
"Gimmick" or not, the whole build is thrown off by either skill.
Who are you to set the standard of what "a monk worth his salt" would consider or not?
Monks with Balanced stance do quite well btw, since many people in pvp run around with kd's
- A single gimmicky Warrior build
- A crap skill no Monk worth his salt would consider
GG
Who are you to set the standard of what "a monk worth his salt" would consider or not?
Monks with Balanced stance do quite well btw, since many people in pvp run around with kd's
Bobby2
- the chances of it being encountered are very slim. I suppose your Warrior never leaves home without Balanced Stance (because, you know, the Shove Sin is back) but luckily not everyone does.
- well, me. IMO AoS is overshadowed by skills that are never 'wasted'. Generally Guardian is as good as AoS when faced with Sins (or for that matter, Hammer Wars). Opinions differ, I stand corrected. /sigh
- following this line of thought: that slot could easily have been filled by something more useful/powerful.
- well, me. IMO AoS is overshadowed by skills that are never 'wasted'. Generally Guardian is as good as AoS when faced with Sins (or for that matter, Hammer Wars). Opinions differ, I stand corrected. /sigh
- following this line of thought: that slot could easily have been filled by something more useful/powerful.
dasullybear
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Originally Posted by Bobby2
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Originally Posted by moriz
obviously the last part is incorrect, 'cause YOU are not ignoring me.
my ego might be overinflated, but that doesn't mean i'm wrong. prove me wrong, or stfu. and lastly: stop dragging XoO into this. i don't know why you guys are so intent on insulting XoO, but the guild (or massively huge superguild, more precisely) have nothing to do with this discussion/flamewar. Obviously there's the occasional person that would care, and obviously I didnt mean nobody too the extreme, dont fall back on details because you dont have a better arguement. Well, considering this entire debate has been entirely philosophical, there would be no way to prove you wrong, just like there is no way to prove yourself right. IDK wtf you're smoking, thats the first time youre guild has been mentioned in our arguement. tzavong
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Originally Posted by Bobby2
- the chances of it being encountered are very slim. I suppose your Warrior never leaves home without Balanced Stance (because, you know, the Shove Sin is back) but luckily not everyone does.
- well, me. IMO AoS is overshadowed by skills that are never 'wasted'. Generally Guardian is as good as AoS when faced with Sins (or for that matter, Hammer Wars). Opinions differ, I stand corrected. /sigh - following this line of thought: that slot could easily have been filled by something more useful/powerful. are you blind? MONK- WITH- BALANCED STANCE NOT WARRIOR! MONK. You know, in place of return on meta Mo/A's or shield bash on a Mo/W. Come to think of it shield bash would pretty much screw up your chain anyways; but that happens with ANY sin combo chain, not just yours. Balanced stance is somewhat better than shield bash in terms of protection from knockdown. -granted shield bash screws any sin's chain up -but, shield bash only messes one KD up from a KD warrior balanced stance, however, protects the user from all knockdowns by a sin, and all knockdowns attempted by a warrior. so, in my eyes, balanced stance is in fact quite a good skill for a monk to have. quite "useful/powerful" enough for me, thanks.
Bobby2
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Originally Posted by tzavong
I am not blind. Quote: "Gimmick" or not, the whole build is thrown off by either skill.
Who are you to set the standard of what "a monk worth his salt" would consider or not? Monks with Balanced stance do quite well btw, since many people in pvp run around with kd's I responded to these three points in turn, and your first remark referred to 'the gimmicky Warrior build' I mentioned earlier. Please calm down and learn to read.
moriz
i'd like to point out that in the uncountable number of ABs i've been in, i've NEVER seen balanced stance used. i did see a warrior use dolyak signet though, but those aren't enough of a threat for me to bother with.
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dont fall back on details because you dont have a better arguement.
unfortunately, you don't have any argument. the only reason you are prolonging this because i rubbed you the wrong way. | there is nothing wrong with the build. it is a simple spike build with a 4 second continuous KD. it is simple, it is effective, and it's very fun to play in a "i narutoz, i pwn j00, i is sneaky ninjaz" brainless hilarity kind of way. the build is vulnerable to blocking and lack an IAS, but makes up for them by being straightforward and not requiring you to jump through 3 hoops just to unload a combo. on top of all that, it's got above average survivability for a sin build, what's with the healing signet and unconditional 86 AL (conditional 96 AL vs one damage type). the build, despite its flaws, is as completely bulletproof as a sin build can get. please stop talking about me. this thread is about this build. if you have criticism, direct it at the build and go from there.
Pyro maniac
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Originally Posted by moriz
i'd like to point out that in the uncountable number of ABs i've been in, i've NEVER seen balanced stance used. i did see a warrior use dolyak signet though, but those aren't enough of a threat for me to bother with.
like Ab is high-end PvP, even people in RA are smarter
And I didn't criticize it because it had counters, every build has obvious counters so breaking a build about that fact is just plain dumb. However saying that no-one uses anti-kd skills is ignorant. tzavong
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Originally Posted by Bobby2
Off-Topic:
I am not blind. I responded to these three points in turn, and your first remark referred to 'the gimmicky Warrior build' I mentioned earlier. Please calm down and learn to read. you must be, because you clearly missed the point of my post. As for your "responses" -Who said I ran balanced stance on my warrior? -I can think of a dozen non-physical kd's right off the top of my head that go right through guardian -Yeah, duh. Just like Orison can be replaced by WOH and guardian by SOD. Kind of a dumb thing for you to say..
dasullybear
I never insulted the build, so please dont start in with your sales pitch about it;
but on topic: its a nice build, decent survivability etc. but unfortunately it lacks the punch required to take someone out :/ unfortunately, as a sin (in low end pvp) these days, you're not worth shit unless you can instagib someone. And unfortunately this build cant. Quote:
i'd like to point out that in the uncountable number of ABs i've been in, i've NEVER seen balanced stance used. i did see a warrior use dolyak signet though, but those aren't enough of a threat for me to bother with.
Sadly Im gonna have to agree with moriz on this one, Ive ab'd a number of times id not like to admit, but have never encountered balanced stance |
Turtle222
Wow wow wow. Flamethread ftw...i wonder which category this goes under...oh why am i even asking...ofcourse campfire sins!
Moriz: lower that bloody ego, it is like me saying i'm better than you. Prove me wrong...careful what you say now  .Kosh: Chill out... Bobby: Many times i've encountered a good monk that has an anti-Kd stance, but you are right - they are in the minority. Tzavong: consider Bobby's arguement. Not many people carry an anti-kd, they prefer blocking ones instead, which allow the chance to block a kd as well as a chain that does not rely on one. Let's all keep calm  /requestlock
Bobby2
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Originally Posted by tzavong
you must be, because you clearly missed the point of my post.
As for your "responses" -Who said I ran balanced stance on my warrior? I never said you did. Read back and get the correct reference ffs. Not going to waste any more time on you. Can we get back to discussing the build in question plz!? tzavong
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Originally Posted by Bobby2
I never said you did. Read back and get the correct reference ffs. Not going to waste any more time on you.
Can we get back to discussing the build in question plz!? yeah, you're a f*cking idiot. build in question fails move on Clarissa F
a page or two of flame in three pages = dead thread
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RavagerOfDreams
haven't seen balanced stance run ona monk inawile mostly return(which kills all melee) ...also aura of stability got nerfed not many people run it anymore however i was running rao and ran into a smiter with balthazars pendulum that killed my fun 12 win streak ><
Bobby2
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Originally Posted by tzavong
yeah, you're a f*cking idiot.
build in question fails move on Have fun with Dolyak Signet. Good luck in civilisation. lock /signed
Sir Pandra Pierva
lock /unsigned
cause this thread is hilarious. I dont even know if it is even about the original posters idea tzavong
It's the guy with the giant ego that can't get over the fact that his cute little kd build is screwed up by a single cheap warrior stance. The point of this thread was to discuss the build. I am showing it's weak point. Sorry if all you wanted was compliments.
Jaigoda
Balanced only works for about half the time of its recharge for one thing, and also, you won't see Balanced on more than like 1 in every 500 in AB. RA, maybe, I see it on maybe 1 in 100 (about 1 in every 10 monks), but in AB, meh.
Bobby2
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Originally Posted by tzavong
It's the guy with the giant ego that can't get over the fact that his cute little kd build is screwed up by a single cheap warrior stance. The point of this thread was to discuss the build. I am showing it's weak point. Sorry if all you wanted was compliments.
I hope it's not my ego you're talking about. As if I'd not be able to accept that * gulp* there's a counter against this build
 Grab a dictionary and look up the word RELEVANCY.
Bowstring Badass
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Originally Posted by Bobby2
I hope it's not my ego you're talking about. As if I'd not be able to accept that * gulp* there's a counter against this build
Grab a dictionary and look up the word RELEVANCY.
It is moriz he is talking about. imo moriz ego is bigger then my negativity. And I am pretty negative.
moriz
you know, i do accept that my build gets screwed over by a single warrior stance. however, keep in mind that this build is intended for AB, where NOBODY runs that stance. or at least, not enough people run it for me to even worry about it. there aren't enough anti-KD in AB for me to even consider not going for a KD build.
and yes, my ego is huge. so what? Teutonic Paladin
Every Warrior/Assassin/Paragon build in the game gets screwed over by Blinding Surge, you're a noob if you use one.
dasullybear
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Originally Posted by moriz
you know, i do accept that my build gets screwed over by a single warrior stance. however, keep in mind that this build is intended for AB, where NOBODY runs that stance. or at least, not enough people run it for me to even worry about it. there aren't enough anti-KD in AB for me to even consider not going for a KD build.
and yes, my ego is huge. so what? Ah, its YOUR build now.
dasullybear
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Originally Posted by Teutonic Paladin
Every Warrior/Assassin/Paragon build in the game gets screwed over by Blinding Surge, you're a noob if you use one.
And you're a noob for thinking blinding surge ever gets used in ab.
Bowstring Badass
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Originally Posted by moriz
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Originally Posted by dasullybear
And you're a noob for thinking blinding surge ever gets used in ab.
Sarcasm?
Bobby2
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Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass
Originally Posted by dasullybear
And you're a noob for thinking blinding surge ever gets used in ab.
Sarcasm?
Of course....
....right? 
Sir Pandra Pierva
we hope
I see b-surge used a lot on my fav team build to use with my guildies
LaserLight
If he's not being sarcastic, he should go fight in three Alliance Battles. I feel absolutely certain that if he bothers to look, he'll find at least one B-Surger in them, if not three. Or six, or potentially nine or ten. This, of course, completely discounting their every-other-battle status in RA.
kosh
oy... yall wankers... here:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...99#post3599599 t.y j.r.
Sir Pandra Pierva
and the never ending topic of pointless bickering about sins goes on and on
NamelessBeauty
I would not waste an Elite for B-surge lol. In the team of 4v4, it's really not worth it to bring this. B-Flash will do the job just fine.
Beside, Blind is not the prob with EVERY melee. It's just a plain assumption you made there. There is such thing call [skill]Sight Beyond Sight[/skill] if you are not familiar with it.
Sir Pandra Pierva
or
[skill]Assassin's Remedy[/skill] though bsurge actually is very good in RA simply because if you can nail 2 people with that they go bye bye, I am talkin about melee. blind really hurts in such a short fight when as a sin if someone can stop your combo 2 times that could mean the break between win and lose
dasullybear
Sarcasm? No sorry D;
Not saying im right, but (r7 defender so far) have NEVER seen b-surge in AB, if you guys see it that much than I must be under a horrendous twist of luck. Blinding FLASH, however, I see all the time. The main reason Id assume I dont see b-surge used is because wasting you're elite on something only effective against martial characters would be silly in an ab (random clusterfck of proffesions), blinding flash gets the job done just fine.
Bowstring Badass
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Originally Posted by dasullybear
Sarcasm? No sorry D;
Not saying im right, but (r7 defender so far) have NEVER seen b-surge in AB, if you guys see it that much than I must be under a horrendous twist of luck. Blinding FLASH, however, I see all the time. The main reason Id assume I dont see b-surge used is because wasting you're elite on something only effective against martial characters would be silly in an ab (random clusterfck of proffesions), blinding flash gets the job done just fine. Think b-flash falls under the b-surge area idiot.... Tyla
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Originally Posted by dasullybear
Sarcasm? No sorry D;
Not saying im right, but (r7 defender so far) have NEVER seen b-surge in AB, if you guys see it that much than I must be under a horrendous twist of luck. Blinding FLASH, however, I see all the time. The main reason Id assume I dont see b-surge used is because wasting you're elite on something only effective against martial characters would be silly in an ab (random clusterfck of proffesions), blinding flash gets the job done just fine. AB titles can be gotten in PvE. And B-Surge is a leet elite spot (AND the elite version of B-Flash...use it....like it....LOVE IT! fishy go moo
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Originally Posted by moriz
obviously the last part is incorrect, 'cause YOU are not ignoring me.
dont even pull that crap as a last resort he was saying you were being ignored by pretty much everyone else, HE WAS INFORMING YOU
gawsh, oh and btw i played the build and it was meh /grammar
moriz
thanks for "informing" me that you've failed to play one of the easiest assassin builds ever created.
dasullybear
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Originally Posted by tyla salanari
AB titles can be gotten in PvE.
And B-Surge is a leet elite spot (AND the elite version of B-Flash...use it....like it....LOVE IT! Ah yes- FFF. But FFF is alot less worth it on the lux side, and ive never FFF'd I guess theres no way to prove that. Guess you'd just have to take my word for it. :/ |
