Post your useful G15 Macro keys
Aerian_Skybane
Although I don't extensively use the macro keys, I am pretty sure on the conceptual reading of how they would be legal/illegal, as is the case in most games.
Simple sequence of key presses is (remember conceptually according to EULA), legal, since you can not ban someone who presses 5 keys faster. The macros can execute a series of actions that can be accomplish by the same method as hitting the keys individually.
Hitting 2 to cast meteor followed by hitting 3 to flare (for an example based on skill bar) being turning into a macro is legal. Making a macro that hits 2 to cast meteor, delay until clock is up to cast meteor again, would be ILlegal, because there is no equivalent simple single key combination in order to do so without human interfacing.
That is the difference, and I am quite sure ANet follows that possibility. One is indifferent from any other human interface player, while the other can clearly be seen as a "botted" script.
Simple sequence of key presses is (remember conceptually according to EULA), legal, since you can not ban someone who presses 5 keys faster. The macros can execute a series of actions that can be accomplish by the same method as hitting the keys individually.
Hitting 2 to cast meteor followed by hitting 3 to flare (for an example based on skill bar) being turning into a macro is legal. Making a macro that hits 2 to cast meteor, delay until clock is up to cast meteor again, would be ILlegal, because there is no equivalent simple single key combination in order to do so without human interfacing.
That is the difference, and I am quite sure ANet follows that possibility. One is indifferent from any other human interface player, while the other can clearly be seen as a "botted" script.
Selket
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Originally Posted by Aerian_Skybane
Simple sequence of key presses is (remember conceptually according to EULA), legal, since you can not ban someone who presses 5 keys faster. The macros can execute a series of actions that can be accomplish by the same method as hitting the keys individually.
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Cuz instant is still inhuman o;
-Loki-
I tried setting up macros, but I'm so used to doing everything the hard way I just don't use them.
flyinhigh
actually the only thing that they said is bannable is fully automated. not even timed scriptes.
bhavv
The one thing I would use these macros with if I had a G15 is hero key bindings. Eg I assign skill 1 of each hero to numpad 1, 4, and 7, set up a macro key to activate all of these when I press 1 and I get 4x invoke lightning in perfect unison. Now that seems bannable to me.
Longasc
It is for sure not bannable, people just search hard for any possible way to gain an edge in a "fair" fight. :>
Pandora's box
I'm going to buy one next month and I'll mainly use it to combine actions that require several keystrokes to 1, e.g. call nearest target AND attack. I think there is no problem with that because Anet did not make key-combo's for balancing issues but because there are not enough keys on a regular keyboard to cover all actions.
Numa Pompilius
Yeah, hero-spike is an obvious application. Could be interesting to try a spike-team in hero arena, actually.
Arduin
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Originally Posted by flyinhigh
actually the only thing that they said is bannable is fully automated. not even timed scriptes.
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flyinhigh
if your still at your computer and you have to activate it, its not full auto and your still playing.
MercenaryKnight
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Originally Posted by Arduinna
So it would be totally okay of you'd make a macro which enables you to nearly-automate a Hero FFF? With timed intervals of heroes activating their running skills, and you only needing to flag them correctly. Saves you a bunch of mouseclicks.
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Seems interesting enough if you could set up the script so it places the flags and hits run skills while you sit back and then wait the minute to go get quest reward.
However, it wouldn't surprise me if a.net would still ban for that because it is a form of "botting" and earning gold through the quest.
anime232
id say be careful about that fancy gw applet for recently had both my account passwords changed on me including the email and plaync master account >.> nifty it is but at high cost... funny thing happened about 2 weeks after i stopped using it.
Arduin
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Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight
Seems interesting enough if you could set up the script so it places the flags and hits run skills while you sit back and then wait the minute to go get quest reward.
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MercenaryKnight
Even if you did plant the flags yourself, it wouldn't really surprise me if just being able to press say 1 button to click all the skills would be suspicious to a.net.
That's the main problem is, they can say "oh macros are fine" in one instance and then ban you the next for misuse.
That's the main problem is, they can say "oh macros are fine" in one instance and then ban you the next for misuse.
prism2525
er... guys, anyone bring me up to speed and tell me HOW to set these things up?
And my keyboard isn't the G15, but i have some other buttons (F-lock, browser commands, go to mail button etc). can i use these buttons?
EDIT: just tried the keyboard's program and it lets me use an EXE file on the keys apart from the default and some COPY and PASTE commands. are these EXE files macros and how do i create them please?
And my keyboard isn't the G15, but i have some other buttons (F-lock, browser commands, go to mail button etc). can i use these buttons?
EDIT: just tried the keyboard's program and it lets me use an EXE file on the keys apart from the default and some COPY and PASTE commands. are these EXE files macros and how do i create them please?
BenjZee
i thought it was only for these special keybords. Can little shortcut buttons be edited ?
prism2525
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Originally Posted by SmithyBen
i thought it was only for these special keybords. Can little shortcut buttons be edited ?
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Minus30
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Originally Posted by prism2525
mine can, at least I can load an exe file to them, dunno if it's the same thing though.
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I've been thinking about spiking with heroes too , shouldn't be bannable as one can press 4 buttons at the same time too. (I got 10 fingers so can go upto 10! ;-))
my macros so far:
G2: /resign
G3: /age
G4: /deaths
G5: /dance *
I used to have G18 as F12+c, but I pressed it a few times accidentally and removed it since then
I've used to LCDapp, but it wasn't very useful so got rid of it
Arduin
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Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight
Even if you did plant the flags yourself, it wouldn't really surprise me if just being able to press say 1 button to click all the skills would be suspicious to a.net.
That's the main problem is, they can say "oh macros are fine" in one instance and then ban you the next for misuse. |
JimmyNeutron
Since this discussion, I'm curious if the use of the G15 to program one of the G# key repeatedly would be illegal?
Here's what I was trying to do today and then after using it for a few test runs, I stop because was afraid I would get banned.
In EoTN, I'm doing Kilroy Stonekin Punchout and when your knock down, you're suppose to press 8 repeatedly to stand up.
I program my G8 key so that when I hold down G8, it acts as I repeatedly press 8 with 0.025 secs of delay between each 8.
Hopefully, I don't get banned, but I did use it for a test run tonight for about 5 min.
Thanks!
Here's what I was trying to do today and then after using it for a few test runs, I stop because was afraid I would get banned.
In EoTN, I'm doing Kilroy Stonekin Punchout and when your knock down, you're suppose to press 8 repeatedly to stand up.
I program my G8 key so that when I hold down G8, it acts as I repeatedly press 8 with 0.025 secs of delay between each 8.
Hopefully, I don't get banned, but I did use it for a test run tonight for about 5 min.
Thanks!
Blackhearted
Ah, macros.. I remember that one macro that did a partial farm run i worked on once. That's probly one of the "bad" ways to use them though, isn't it? lol. Oh well, i'm still here and my account isn't dead yet.
Pleikki
I dont use those marcos have no idea what put on em
Buzzer
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Originally Posted by JimmyNeutron
Since this discussion, I'm curious if the use of the G15 to program one of the G# key repeatedly would be illegal?
Here's what I was trying to do today and then after using it for a few test runs, I stop because was afraid I would get banned. In EoTN, I'm doing Kilroy Stonekin Punchout and when your knock down, you're suppose to press 8 repeatedly to stand up. I program my G8 key so that when I hold down G8, it acts as I repeatedly press 8 with 0.025 secs of delay between each 8. Hopefully, I don't get banned, but I did use it for a test run tonight for about 5 min. Thanks! |
I think it's technically against the rules though.
Numa Pompilius
JimmyNeutrons example would be legal according to the statement from ANet.
That doesn't mean they might not start banning people if it becomes widespread.
That's the problem - programming keys grades into scripting grades into full-out botting, and anet can't set a clear line, meaning it's all decided by GM judgment call.
That doesn't mean they might not start banning people if it becomes widespread.
That's the problem - programming keys grades into scripting grades into full-out botting, and anet can't set a clear line, meaning it's all decided by GM judgment call.
Oukanna
I bought my BF a cool gaming keyboard i forogt what it is called lol He has a button called panic button which when pressed turns his character round and makes him run in the opposite direction...i personally find it hillarious xDDD
I think simple commands like that are fine but when it starts becoming complicated then you are starting to get lazy xDDD
I think simple commands like that are fine but when it starts becoming complicated then you are starting to get lazy xDDD
JimmyNeutron
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Originally Posted by Buzzer
lol you could die 50 times and still be able to get up.
I think it's technically against the rules though. |
I purposedly died just to see how many deaths I can go before I need to change the delay from 0.025 to something like 0.0125. But after reaching energy level 50, I realize this could be classify as cheating and the illegal use of a macro and stop immediately.
I didn't test this newly created macro on my survivor character since I didn't know if it would work and didn't want to die now after reaching survivor level 1. It was used on my primary character whom have no chance at survivor since level 5.
To summarize, this could help make gaining survivor title even easier.
Well, i deleted that macro and went back and played it like it should be played; skill and timing.
Grasping Darkness
out of my 18 macro keys on my logitech g15 the only one i used was to turn off my pc on the bottom left g16 key and i accidentally reassigned it while trying to view its function to say what it was on this thread....thx a lot
jimme
Is it possible to loop macro's ?
if yes; How ? ^^
if yes; How ? ^^
Sea Edge
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Originally Posted by jimme
Is it possible to loop macro's ?
if yes; How ? ^^ |
jimme
I noticed this morning =] (thx anyway ^^ )
I also noticed that you can actually have a lot of mouse clicks in 1 second using those macro keys, gave me pretty low fps xD
Anybody dares to put screenshot on a macro that keeps repeating without delay time ?
I also noticed that you can actually have a lot of mouse clicks in 1 second using those macro keys, gave me pretty low fps xD
Anybody dares to put screenshot on a macro that keeps repeating without delay time ?
thasadar606
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Originally Posted by JimmyNeutron
Since this discussion, I'm curious if the use of the G15 to program one of the G# key repeatedly would be illegal?
Here's what I was trying to do today and then after using it for a few test runs, I stop because was afraid I would get banned. In EoTN, I'm doing Kilroy Stonekin Punchout and when your knock down, you're suppose to press 8 repeatedly to stand up. I program my G8 key so that when I hold down G8, it acts as I repeatedly press 8 with 0.025 secs of delay between each 8. Hopefully, I don't get banned, but I did use it for a test run tonight for about 5 min. Thanks! |
Lady Lozza
Most used macro is /resign for me. I've /dance /wave and /sit there too.
I've others, mostly skill stuff, but I don't use them.
I've others, mostly skill stuff, but I don't use them.
VitisVinifera
if I could macro an alehound title.......I'd probably buy the keyboard just for that
would love to get an official statement from anet about if this is kosher or not
would love to get an official statement from anet about if this is kosher or not
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera
if I could macro an alehound title.......I'd probably buy the keyboard just for that
would love to get an official statement from anet about if this is kosher or not |
flyinhigh
if your looking for a good macro maker, i would suggest Autohotkey
Omnidragon42
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Originally Posted by flyinhigh
if your looking for a good macro maker, i would suggest Autohotkey
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Someone posted something about hero spiking, and i logged in just to test it out. A little tweaking with delays and I was able to make an almost clean hero spike with lightning orb on targets in isle of the nameless. I fraps'd it if anyone wants to see, but it will be until tomorrow when I post it, because right now I'm going to bed ^_^;;
thasadar606
well..prompt and clear:
"
Hello Alex,
Thank you very much for contacting the PlayNC Customer Support Team.
You asked if your new programmable keyboard was acceptable to use for playing Guild Wars. "What if...?" questions such as this are always tough to answer, because they have not happened yet. Nevertheless, I'll try to give you an understanding of what we might consider "right" and "wrong" when interacting with our service as it related to your new keyboard.
Using your programmable keyboard as a normal keyboard would certainly be fine. A keyboard is a basic tool that is virtually required to operate a computer and use our service. Each time you press a key, one character is typed or one action is made to happen and, in general, that is acceptable.
If you were somehow able to use your programmable keyboard to fully automate your gameplay experience, especially to the point where you did not have to attend your computer while your keyboard software "played" the game for you, then that would be considered against our User Agreement and subject to disciplinary action. ("You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NCsoft, including but not limited to the use of ‘bots’ and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input.")
Somewhere in between those two scenarios is a grey area. We can't make any "final judgments" on any grey area actions that have not yet occurred, and we will not speculate on all possible grey area scenarios and their outcomes. In general, please make sure that you are at your computer and playing your game. Ultimately, it is of utmost important to us that each character being played in Guild Wars is being operated by an actual person.
I know I wasn't able to provide a definitive rule that covered all possible scenarios, but I hope this helps your understanding of "helping one play" versus "playing for you" and what we would consider acceptable.
Regards
GM Greg"
so..you can use complex bindings but not such scripts that fully automate your FARMING and/or battle (and guys bea seriousl...WE ALL KNOW WHAT IS THE BORDER BETWEEN BOTING and a little help from our cool hardware... there are no such innocent BINDINGS used that get u banned...and I can confirm that...and so can Greg...I tried to use an advanced almoast cheat binding and the game reacted- i got kicked out of the game and a screen that tested my presence at the keyboard appeared -the game has multiple ways to check for bots and exploits..so..I hope this clears things up)
CONCLUSION:
/dance
/resign
/point
or
C+CTRL+SPACE
SURELY WILL NOT GET YOU BANNED...they are not stupid!
but to boost your energy at an inhumanly rate (at the punch-out farm in GUNNARS HOLD, or to spam skills activation will get the GameMasters attention... and be sure that when you feel you've done something bad...you surely did screw up big time)
Please excuse my long reply and my bold chars...but I have searched all over the internet for an answer and I hope this one jumps in one's eye...
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Hello Alex,
Thank you very much for contacting the PlayNC Customer Support Team.
You asked if your new programmable keyboard was acceptable to use for playing Guild Wars. "What if...?" questions such as this are always tough to answer, because they have not happened yet. Nevertheless, I'll try to give you an understanding of what we might consider "right" and "wrong" when interacting with our service as it related to your new keyboard.
Using your programmable keyboard as a normal keyboard would certainly be fine. A keyboard is a basic tool that is virtually required to operate a computer and use our service. Each time you press a key, one character is typed or one action is made to happen and, in general, that is acceptable.
If you were somehow able to use your programmable keyboard to fully automate your gameplay experience, especially to the point where you did not have to attend your computer while your keyboard software "played" the game for you, then that would be considered against our User Agreement and subject to disciplinary action. ("You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NCsoft, including but not limited to the use of ‘bots’ and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input.")
Somewhere in between those two scenarios is a grey area. We can't make any "final judgments" on any grey area actions that have not yet occurred, and we will not speculate on all possible grey area scenarios and their outcomes. In general, please make sure that you are at your computer and playing your game. Ultimately, it is of utmost important to us that each character being played in Guild Wars is being operated by an actual person.
I know I wasn't able to provide a definitive rule that covered all possible scenarios, but I hope this helps your understanding of "helping one play" versus "playing for you" and what we would consider acceptable.
Regards
GM Greg"
so..you can use complex bindings but not such scripts that fully automate your FARMING and/or battle (and guys bea seriousl...WE ALL KNOW WHAT IS THE BORDER BETWEEN BOTING and a little help from our cool hardware... there are no such innocent BINDINGS used that get u banned...and I can confirm that...and so can Greg...I tried to use an advanced almoast cheat binding and the game reacted- i got kicked out of the game and a screen that tested my presence at the keyboard appeared -the game has multiple ways to check for bots and exploits..so..I hope this clears things up)
CONCLUSION:
/dance
/resign
/point
or
C+CTRL+SPACE
SURELY WILL NOT GET YOU BANNED...they are not stupid!
but to boost your energy at an inhumanly rate (at the punch-out farm in GUNNARS HOLD, or to spam skills activation will get the GameMasters attention... and be sure that when you feel you've done something bad...you surely did screw up big time)
Please excuse my long reply and my bold chars...but I have searched all over the internet for an answer and I hope this one jumps in one's eye...
thasadar606
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Originally Posted by Omnidragon42
Which I love ^_^
Someone posted something about hero spiking, and i logged in just to test it out. A little tweaking with delays and I was able to make an almost clean hero spike with lightning orb on targets in isle of the nameless. I fraps'd it if anyone wants to see, but it will be until tomorrow when I post it, because right now I'm going to bed ^_^;; |
The thing is all the players must have the same advantage... if one has a cool keyboard because he can afford one doesn't have to put in misery a player that perhaps can't afford it but excels in skill.
In my opinion (backed by alll the replies I collected from Anet support -FOR FLAMERS: YES I HAVE MORE THAN ONE ANSWER I CAN GLADLY SEND YOU PROOF) you can play the game and use a little "help" not let the SCRIPTS do the job and you just hover around. (maybe you can abuse the bindings in farm..since most of us are goldless,but remember abuse of any kind comes on your own responsibility)
Sir Pandra Pierva
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Originally Posted by Omnidragon42
Which I love ^_^
Someone posted something about hero spiking, and i logged in just to test it out. A little tweaking with delays and I was able to make an almost clean hero spike with lightning orb on targets in isle of the nameless. I fraps'd it if anyone wants to see, but it will be until tomorrow when I post it, because right now I'm going to bed ^_^;; |
thasadar606