Party sharing gold

Tender Wolf

Tender Wolf

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2007

All over Tyria, Cantha, & Elona

The Eternal Night Vanguard [TEN]

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Okay so we all know that when someone in the party picks up gold coins, it shares the cash among the people. But why is it necessary for this to occur when you're in a hero/henchman only party? Or even if when you're with one other person and the rest of the party is heroes? It's not like they're going to spend it or do anything with it. Gold should only be given to real players, and if they're all in the same party it could be shared, but if it's a hero/henchie only one, then no it shouldn't be.

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

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Because it's kind of a way to tax players, because Anet can't come up with a decent gold sink, it's one of the ways they use to regulate the economy. When you have 7 henchmen in your party, you get the same amount of gold if you had 7 people in your party.

If things were the way you suggested, there would be no point in grouping with other people, as the entire game can be easily beaten with Heroes/Henchies, and if you get the same amount of gold as if you had just yourself farming.... I don't see a point to using other people

Yet another one of your suggestions that is made just to make the game easier

/notsigned

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tender Wolf
Okay so we all know that when someone in the party picks up gold coins, it shares the cash among the people. But why is it necessary for this to occur when you're in a hero/henchman only party? Or even if when you're with one other person and the rest of the party is heroes? It's not like they're going to spend it or do anything with it. Gold should only be given to real players, and if they're all in the same party it could be shared, but if it's a hero/henchie only one, then no it shouldn't be.
dont want to share??

DO IT YOURSELF ALREADY

ohhhh wait i forgot

ITS TOO HARDDDDD

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

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Because then all human parties will be less in demand. I'm all for being able to h/h, but encouraging h/h teams like this isn't needed. Giving h/h parties any advantage over human parties is just wrong.

Dev121

Dev121

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loviatar
dont want to share??

DO IT YOURSELF ALREADY

ohhhh wait i forgot

ITS TOO HARDDDDD
I love you........... also without the quote that sounds wrong.

Biostem

Biostem

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tender Wolf
Okay so we all know that when someone in the party picks up gold coins, it shares the cash among the people. But why is it necessary for this to occur when you're in a hero/henchman only party? Or even if when you're with one other person and the rest of the party is heroes? It's not like they're going to spend it or do anything with it. Gold should only be given to real players, and if they're all in the same party it could be shared, but if it's a hero/henchie only one, then no it shouldn't be.
AI heroes/henchmen need gold too!

Also, that's the price you pay for the convenience of h/h teams...

TempusReborn

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

R/Mo

Sigh I actually feel bad for saying it but the guys right. Sorry Miss Tender Wolf but PvE, Gold Accumulation etc is too easy if anything. If however you need any advice on why you might find these area's too hard and constructive criticism then feel free to PM me sometime.

chowmein69

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

/notsign.

sharing is caring

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

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Let's make it so that all of the drops in a one human + 7 AI team go to the player too.

When you realize what's broken about that, you'll realize why I'm /notsigned on this.

mrvrod

Guest01

Join Date: Jul 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loviatar
dont want to share??

DO IT YOURSELF ALREADY

ohhhh wait i forgot

ITS TOO HARDDDDD
And the voice of another 1337357 flamer heard. That's one of the reasons why GW is sliding downhill, the wonderfully supportive community.

placebo overdose

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

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well i have seen your posts and people give you alot of stuff for your playing style
my sugestion is create a mental filter that thinks before you post "is this stupid?"

arsie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2007

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The heroes and henchmen take their cut for a reason. That is partly why people do solo farming.

This is just a simpler solution instead of them writing code that detected how many human players were around, and dropping the right amount of gold for that number.

I just cannot see any reason why we need to pick up our gold. It should automatically appear in our wallets.

Tender Wolf

Tender Wolf

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2007

All over Tyria, Cantha, & Elona

The Eternal Night Vanguard [TEN]

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Some people prefer hero/henchmen parties. I've had more luck with them than real people because real people can be so stupid and won't listen to directions. And some people can't solo farm...

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrvrod
And the voice of another 1337357 flamer heard. That's one of the reasons why GW is sliding downhill, the wonderfully supportive community.
no

just someone who is sick of seeing nothing but make it easier and gimmie more for less threads from the same person.

i was polite

TW..........if you need them than they deserve their share

cellardweller

cellardweller

Likes naked dance offs

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Older Gamers [TOG]

Cute answer: Because Stephan needs pub money to keep his beer belly up to spec.

Real answer: Because then you'd be giving H/H players a monetary advantage over players that team up.

Cargan

Cargan

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

Scotland

[ESP]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tender Wolf
Some people prefer hero/henchmen parties. I've had more luck with them than real people because real people can be so stupid and won't listen to directions. And some people can't solo farm...
As much as I understand that people like to make more money, I don't see why someone who plays with heroes should get more benefit than someone who plays with real people. I believe that a full human party should get larger gold drops than someone with all hench/heroes since the game is a lot harder when playing in a full human party (for the reasons stated in your post). Unfortunately it's perfectly even and you gain no benefit from partying with humans or heroes (despite many groundless claims that gold drops are less frequent in H/H parties).


Cargan

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

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Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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I would agree so the gold you see is the gold you get, instead of it getting shared, if the drops where decreased:
.Typical 150gold drop -> 50 gold drop.
Party of 8: They get 50 gold each. 400 gold total
Party of 1 (solo or +AI): She gets 50 gold. 50 gold total.

I would agree with that, to praise teams.

But NOT to take the AI out of the share.

ShadowsRequiem

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

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screw those god damn henchies leeching my money and hardly doing any work!

genofreek

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Join Date: Jan 2007

USA

Jenova's Apocolyptic Remains [JAR]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanyatta
Because it's kind of a way to tax players, because Anet can't come up with a decent gold sink, it's one of the ways they use to regulate the economy. When you have 7 henchmen in your party, you get the same amount of gold if you had 7 people in your party.

If things were the way you suggested, there would be no point in grouping with other people, as the entire game can be easily beaten with Heroes/Henchies, and if you get the same amount of gold as if you had just yourself farming.... I don't see a point to using other people

Yet another one of your suggestions that is made just to make the game easier

/notsigned
Today must be special. Usually I disagree with your posts, but you're like 2 for 3, Kanyatta. QFT and /notsigned.

Edit:
Quote:
Originally Posted by arsie
Yeah, and you want to rob Mhenlo of all the gold he needs to feed his 15 kids.
Until this post, I never thought anything could make me feel bad for Cynn.

arsie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tender Wolf
Some people prefer hero/henchmen parties. I've had more luck with them than real people because real people can be so stupid and won't listen to directions. And some people can't solo farm...
Yeah, and you want to rob Mhenlo of all the gold he needs to feed his 15 kids.

mrvrod

Guest01

Join Date: Jul 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem
screw those god damn henchies leeching my money and hardly doing any work!
Not just the henchies, have you ever gotten General Morghan to actually OBEY the flag you set for him? I don't want Rambo in my GW!

EinherjarMx

EinherjarMx

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Mexico

La Legion del Dragon [LD]

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is the op the new freekedout fishh?
they take their part because they're like mercenaries

thedeadlyassassin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Tualatin OR

N/A

A/W

/not signed.


why do you deserve ALL the gold when you did 1/8th the work?

If I got all the gold when I h/h I'd have no reason what-so-ever to farm or even play the PvE game except for titles.

{IceFire}

{IceFire}

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

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Henches do the work, henches get the reward

qq

MagmaRed

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Join Date: Mar 2007

Our Crabs Know True [LOVE]

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I will ask the mods who read this thread to PM Tender Wolf and explain why her posts get the reactions they do. Maybe, if she hears polite criticism from an authority, she will understand and change.

Tender, 90% of your ideas are bad. Some are not only bad, they are game breaking. Even though people flame you, read what they say, and consider WHY they are flaming you.

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MagmaRed
I will ask the mods who read this thread to PM Tender Wolf and explain why her posts get the reactions they do. Maybe, if she hears polite criticism from an authority, she will understand and change.

Tender, 90% of your ideas are bad. Some are not only bad, they are game breaking. Even though people flame you, read what they say, and consider WHY they are flaming you.
Agreed.
Part of me thinks he's some form of troll just delibrately making bad suggestions.



/notsigned

What's the point of solo farming if you make the same amount of money with 7 hench/heros to help you.

Vinraith

Vinraith

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

I'm about as supportive of solo and small group play as anyone can be, but even I wouldn't argue that solo players should get 8 times the gold a player in a PUG would. Sorry, that's just inane.

mystical nessAL

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

DDrk

W/Mo

I believe monsters should drop GP depends on the group. The higher your party is, the higher GP dropped yo uget. For example; If you have party of 4 yo uget around 100gp, if party of 8 y ouget 300-400 per monster, and it's doubled if its from a boss.

MirkoTeran

MirkoTeran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Slovenia

Scars Meadows [SMS]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Loviatar
TW..........if you need them than they deserve their share
QFT.

I should probably insert a flame and a cat picture here but its early here so:
<flame>
<lolcat>


Quote:
Originally Posted by MagmaRed
I will ask the mods who read this thread to PM Tender Wolf and explain why her posts get the reactions they do. Maybe, if she hears polite criticism from an authority, she will understand and change.

Tender, 90% of your ideas are bad. Some are not only bad, they are game breaking. Even though people flame you, read what they say, and consider WHY they are flaming you.
Fully agreed. Every time he posts its just a flame-bate and mods have to delete 1/2 of posts. Isn't it time to start dealing with this on the other side of problem.

Lykan

Lykan

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Join Date: May 2005

StP

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I saw the title of this and looked at the poster and knew it would be another stupid complaint... pls stop.

/notsigned

Steboy93

Steboy93

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Join Date: Feb 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] | Ex-Officer [TAM]

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They are like mercenaries and take their share of the gold, please stop making these complaining threads, you are just making yourself look like an idiot who can't play the game.

System_Crush

System_Crush

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2006

Tripping in Holland

My guild died :`(

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tender Wolf
And some people can't solo farm...
Then duo farm in a more lucrative area then the ones people solo in.
I'm poor, but my excuse is I have too little time to farm because I'm doing an internship.

I feel the "make heroes and henchies free" are the worst, more for less thread.
Title threads I get, many titles are too grindy, so asking for less grind is acceptable.

Asking for free help to kill stuff that drops loot, gold and greens is like asking for money to accumulate in your account, over time while you are doing nothing.

Every ally over your self is an advantage, it should be logical the players with the most skill are the ones that kill the foes with as small an advantage as possible. Guildwars is (supposed to be) a skill > time game, so the players with the most skill should be rewarded with the most gold, period.

Now, like me, using minions, or spirits (stopped using pets after the pet corpse nerf) to gain advantages that the game doesn't count as having less skill is taking advantage of balance issues, same for 55ing.
It's not perfect as you can just find most of it on the web, but having at least a few people try to improve their skill in finding better/funner balance issues to take advantage of or new areas to farm is better than just giving everyone everything for free.

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What would be a good improvement, is if it was shown how much money you got from the split every time money was divided.
I don't really care if my "party shares 207 gold" I care if I got 25 or 26 gold from that. That is the real important info, I couldn't really care less how much we shared I wanna know what my share is.

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Actually if you'd listen to and observe the henchies and heroes you'd know they actually have lives to spend the money on aside from the time they are standing under AoE effects or hanging around in a outpost.

I'm sure Menlo needs all that gold to keep up with this even increasing list of girlfriends.
Herta probably needs the money to pay the alimonies for her first and second husbands.

Alex Morningstar

Alex Morningstar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

Team Asshat [Hat] leader - [GR] Alliance

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What I would like to see, is a henchmen or hero being able to pick up the damn gold. If they get their cut and the gold drops next to them, they can pick it up for once, lazy bastards.

Cargan

Cargan

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

Scotland

[ESP]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Morningstar
What I would like to see, is a henchmen or hero being able to pick up the damn gold. If they get their cut and the gold drops next to them, they can pick it up for once, lazy bastards.
what? and have Dunkoro disabled as a party member for 2 weeks because he put his back out while bending over to pick it up?

seriously tho, I agree. If they automatically get the items for them then they should also use some initiative and pick up gold drops in the nearby range.

doudou_steve

doudou_steve

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2007

Canada

Guildless QQ

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MagmaRed
I will ask the mods who read this thread to PM Tender Wolf and explain why her posts get the reactions they do. Maybe, if she hears polite criticism from an authority, she will understand and change.

Tender, 90% of your ideas are bad. Some are not only bad, they are game breaking. Even though people flame you, read what they say, and consider WHY they are flaming you.
I totally agree with Magma

If you can get more benefits in AI party, then what will be the point to be with humans? It's a lot funnier when there are not h/h and i dont want to be the *no one can help me because they all do it with heroes and i don't have any* person. This would be the end of REAL cooperation.

sry /notsigned

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cargan
what? and have Dunkoro disabled as a party member for 2 weeks because he put his back out while bending over to pick it up?
That would be amazing. Just watching Dunkoro lean over to grab a sack of gold, and then seeing him grab his back with one arm, hit the floor and a little text bubble above his head saying "OMG! My back!"

Anyway, the OP should L2P instead of whining

/notsigned

I Phoenix I

I Phoenix I

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

The Elite Lords of Chaos [LoC]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MagmaRed
I will ask the mods who read this thread to PM Tender Wolf and explain why her posts get the reactions they do. Maybe, if she hears polite criticism from an authority, she will understand and change.

Tender, 90% of your ideas are bad. Some are not only bad, they are game breaking. Even though people flame you, read what they say, and consider WHY they are flaming you.
QFT + /signed too many times over

Seriously, now I just need to look for her threads to get a laugh...

Prof Of Black

Prof Of Black

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2006

@ Sensation Black

Death is Energy [DIE] ~ Raining fame alliance

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lykan
I saw the title of this and looked at the poster and knew it would be another stupid complaint... pls stop.

/notsigned
Same for me..

/notsigned.

Also, totally agreed with Magma.

~Prof.

Cebe

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

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I disagree with this idea for the exact same reason as Arkantos. Further degredation of Human groups (if that's even possible) shouldn't happen.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MagmaRed
I will ask the mods who read this thread to PM Tender Wolf and explain why her posts get the reactions they do. Maybe, if she hears polite criticism from an authority, she will understand and change.

Tender, 90% of your ideas are bad. Some are not only bad, they are game breaking. Even though people flame you, read what they say, and consider WHY they are flaming you.
And in reverse...an idea is an idea, however bad or unpopular it might be.

Users don't need to post flames when responding to unpopular ideas, just a "/notsigned" with a sentence or two explaining, without resorting to put-downs, why you disagree is all that is required, unless you wish to elaborate on what could be done to improve the suggestion.

Please keep this thread clean.

Orange Milk

Orange Milk

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Join Date: Mar 2006

Ganking, USA

Retired

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Quote:
01-16-2008 09:46 PM
EinherjarMx is the op the new freekedout fishh?
they take their part because they're like mercenaries

LMAO Same thing I was thinking, I was gonna start a pole to see who thinks which one posts the worst ideas.

Anyway......

Yeah it sucks the henchies take yo cash, but it is what it is, its a balance. It has to be there. If you CAN'T solo then find an area you can do with 2, or 3 or 4 henchies and get a bit more of the split of cash.

Also try here:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10196128

Some builds are out dated and nerfed, but EVERY profesion is there, you should be able to find something.