First, let's start out on what this thread is NOT about.
-Not a Petition to get banned (for whatever reason) people back into the game
-Not a thread to say "I was banned, screw ANET, Not getting GW2"
What the intention of this thread is to discuss:
Should previously banned players be given a second chance to start anew in GW2?
If so, why or why not?
Or should banns be retroactive and carry over into GW2?
Again, why or why not?
Personally, I am in favor of giving them a second chance. New game. New start. One could hope that a player would learn from their mistakes.
Also, kinda obvious reason here (at least to me), if a ban is retroactive, the player would need to be informed in some way so that they wouldn't purchase GW2 and find out that they couldn't play. Money wasted and angry players/fanbase and all that.
GW2 and Previously Banned Players
Jaythen Tyradel
Drop of Fear
banned people can even buy another copy of the game and start playing guild wars from scratch... -actualy multiple people did that-
don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to buy and play guild wars 2. hopefully they learned that if they cheat and get caught they loose everything they achieved.
don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to buy and play guild wars 2. hopefully they learned that if they cheat and get caught they loose everything they achieved.
Racthoh
Wonder how the hall of monuments will work with the banned people. Will they be able to achieve all of their past achievements despite being banned?
Jaythen Tyradel
I am aware that some banned players have started new accounts, but I am under the impression that they still could face a ban if they are found out to be playing again. If this is the case, that is why I pose this thread question.
Drop of Fear
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Originally Posted by Racthoh
Wonder how the hall of monuments will work with the banned people. Will they be able to achieve all of their past achievements despite being banned?
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most likely their name will still be banned in the database and they have to choose a different one without linking it to the old HoM
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they will have acess the still have acess to gw if they are banned they just have to rebuy it. I'd like to know about the HoM though
Bryant Again
They agreed to the EULA for Guild Wars, not Guild Wars 2. They will be able to play it.
It depends on what the banned person had done. If it was something stupid serious that damaged GW servers painfully, then yeah I wouldn't want him in any of my games, either.
It depends on what the banned person had done. If it was something stupid serious that damaged GW servers painfully, then yeah I wouldn't want him in any of my games, either.
pamelf
People should ALWAYS be given a second chance. It's just a game, and a brand new one at that. That did not breach the rule of the new game, simply the existing game and as such should not be penalized for it. That would be like someone hacking on Couter Strike and being banned for all Valve games for life. It just doesn't work like that.
Taurucis
Yeah, I say give them a second chance. But they shouldn't be able to link their banned account to their GW2 account. They got banned, now they have to face the punishment.
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by Drop of Fear
banned people can even buy another copy of the game and start playing guild wars from scratch... -actualy multiple people did that-
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"Former Members. Members whose Accounts have been terminated by NC Interactive..." - this can explained that ANY account banned by NC (i.e. if you got banned in Lineage or CoH) makes you ineligible for GW playtime should GMs choose to act on it.
And for all it seems, GW1 EULA can be applied vice versa: If you got banned in GW, you would be eligible to ban in other ncsoft owned titles (they would be acting on GW EULA, not some other one.)
If GW2 EULA will be worded similarly to the one that applies to game atm (no reason why it shouldnt), it seems that GW1 Banee would be eligible to ban in GW2.
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You see, if you got banned in GW1 and wanna play GW2, you still need to take GW1 EULA into concern
enxa
Im for giving them another chance in gw2, but im against linking the gw1 banned account to the new gw2 account through HoM. If your acount is banned, you shouldnt be able to reap benefits from it (in gw2).
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Actually, its against EULA.
"Former Members. Members whose Accounts have been terminated by NC Interactive..." - this can explained that ANY account banned by NC (i.e. if you got banned in Lineage or CoH) makes you ineligible for GW playtime should GMs choose to act on it. And for all it seems, GW1 EULA can be applied vice versa: If you got banned in GW, you would be eligible to ban in other ncsoft owned titles (they would be acting on GW EULA, not some other one.) If GW2 EULA will be worded similarly to the one that applies to game atm (no reason why it shouldnt), it seems that GW1 Banee would be eligible to ban in GW2. --- You see, if you got banned in GW1 and wanna play GW2, you still need to take GW1 EULA into concern |
DarkWasp
Don't worry about the EULA, thats just saying they have the right to ban you, doesnt mean they will.
Just dont exploit/offend people/sell gold/scam/bot in GW 2 and im sure every one of the banned members will be able to return in GW 2.
Its a matter of character, prove that you can change.
Just as money is no reason to kill your spouse, gold is no reason to kill your account.
Just dont exploit/offend people/sell gold/scam/bot in GW 2 and im sure every one of the banned members will be able to return in GW 2.
Its a matter of character, prove that you can change.
Just as money is no reason to kill your spouse, gold is no reason to kill your account.
Steboy93
Of course they should be allowed to begin again in gw2, it's a new game.
Shanaeri Rynale
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Wonder how the hall of monuments will work with the banned people. Will they be able to achieve all of their past achievements despite being banned?
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Personally I don't have an issue with a banned player coming back for GW2, it's a whole new game and maybe they will have learned a lesson from it and be model citizens. However I would say the chances of someone buying GW2 who has been banned is a lot slimmer than one who has not.
willie nelson
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Originally Posted by Jaythen Tyradel
Or should banns be retroactive and carry over into GW2?
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
"Former Members. Members whose Accounts have been terminated by NC Interactive..." - this can explained that ANY account banned by NC (i.e. if you got banned in Lineage or CoH) makes you ineligible for GW playtime should GMs choose to act on it.
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
They agreed to the EULA for Guild Wars, not Guild Wars 2. They will be able to play it.
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Jake_Steel
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Originally Posted by pamelf
People should ALWAYS be given a second chance. It's just a game, and a brand new one at that. That did not breach the rule of the new game, simply the existing game and as such should not be penalized for it. That would be like someone hacking on Couter Strike and being banned for all Valve games for life. It just doesn't work like that.
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Why shouldn't it work that way? If I make an ass of myself at Joe's Diner on 4th street I wouldn't expect for Joe's Diner on 10th Ave to let me in when Joe himself excluded me from his business. 99% of all EULA's and even common sense when applied to business law that " We reserve the right to refuse business to anyone without reservation" can and does apply to internet/game servers.
Dev121
Anet wont care, they want money, they have money thats the way the world works im afraid.
Aera Lure
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Originally Posted by Jaythen Tyradel
Should previously banned players be given a second chance to start anew in GW2? If so, why or why not?
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Originally Posted by Jaythen Tyradel
Or should banns be retroactive and carry over into GW2? Again, why or why not?
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Wonder how the hall of monuments will work with the banned people. Will they be able to achieve all of their past achievements despite being banned?
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Jake_Steel
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Originally Posted by Aera Lure
Yes. New characters with no inheritance. Its not an IP ban, so they can already do this, and IP bans can be worked around anyway. In fact, if they want, they can start over right now, buying a new account, and begin working on their HoMs again in prep for GW2 if they so desire. Given that, I am not sure I understand the topic, come to think of it, unless you mean names, which will likely remain permanently taken. I think it should remain that way.
Like I say, the accounts and therefore the names are permanently banned going forward. There's nothing to stop anyone from starting over now with a new account and play on into GW2. All a ban does is take away that account (which yes, is a lot - doesnt stop playing though). I'm assuming no. I dont see how they could. |
They may be ABLE to start new accounts, but Anet's rules say they are not allowed to. I may be able to steal your car and get away with it, however, I am not allowed to. The banning of an account is ALSO the banning of the individual(s) involved by Anet/NCSoft's rules.
Aera Lure
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Originally Posted by Jake_Steel
They may be ABLE to start new accounts, but Anet's rules say they are not allowed to. I may be able to steal your car and get away with it, however, I am not allowed to. The banning of an account is ALSO the banning of the individual(s) involved by Anet/NCSoft's rules.
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Jake_Steel
Part of growing up is learning that an adult leans more towards what he/she should do as opposed to doing simply what he/she can do,
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I could see them linking their Guild Wars 2 Account to their banned account, when a message pops up telling them that their new Guild Wars 2 Account has also been banned.
Phaern Majes
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Originally Posted by willie nelson
No, it can't be explained that way. "Members" refers to Guild Wars members only as this is the Guild Wars EULA you're reffering to.
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Since this thread is about "Members" of Guild Wars who are banned from Guild Wars, the EULA does apply.
The question is going to be would ANet bother taking the time to compare all new GW2 accounts to all the banned GW ones. I seriously doubt it, and even if they did I'm sure all they would do is mark the accounts for close monitoring.
Pandora's box
Not allowing banned GW1 people to play GW2? What a weird idea! I think there always should be a 2nd chance, in fact I find that if banned GW1 players buy a new copy of GW1 they should be allowed to play the game again. Banning an IP adres would probably not be legit anyway because than you would ban the whole family for the actions of 1 person.
Jake_Steel
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Not allowing banned GW1 people to play GW2? What a weird idea! I think there always should be a 2nd chance, in fact I find that if banned GW1 players buy a new copy of GW1 they should be allowed to play the game again. Banning an IP adres would probably not be legit anyway because than you would ban the whole family for the actions of 1 person.
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Age
Those that are banned will be able to play in GW2 as their GW account is separate than that of GW2.It is what most about the eula referring to this one.
Shayne Hawke
Since all it requires you to do is buy a new copy of the game and continue playing with a clean slate and playstyle, the only way that this would matter is that people lose whatever they put towards the HoM.
I'm assuming then that you're asking whether I would support people getting things in GW2 from a banned account in GW.
And my answer is no, because that could create an exploit in which once someone gets all they want out of GW passed into GW2 and they don't care about GW anymore, they could try whatever illegal activity they wanted to do in GW until they were banned, and then reestablish themselves in GW2 with all the rewards from GW intact.
Previous discussion on this issue, however, makes me think that if someone linked the accounts, passed rewards from GW to GW2, and then got banned in GW, they would also become banned in GW2, or would at least be put on some kind of warning. I would agree with this.
I'm assuming then that you're asking whether I would support people getting things in GW2 from a banned account in GW.
And my answer is no, because that could create an exploit in which once someone gets all they want out of GW passed into GW2 and they don't care about GW anymore, they could try whatever illegal activity they wanted to do in GW until they were banned, and then reestablish themselves in GW2 with all the rewards from GW intact.
Previous discussion on this issue, however, makes me think that if someone linked the accounts, passed rewards from GW to GW2, and then got banned in GW, they would also become banned in GW2, or would at least be put on some kind of warning. I would agree with this.
UnKn0wN415
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Actually, its against EULA.
"Former Members. Members whose Accounts have been terminated by NC Interactive..." - this can explained that ANY account banned by NC (i.e. if you got banned in Lineage or CoH) makes you ineligible for GW playtime should GMs choose to act on it. And for all it seems, GW1 EULA can be applied vice versa: If you got banned in GW, you would be eligible to ban in other ncsoft owned titles (they would be acting on GW EULA, not some other one.) If GW2 EULA will be worded similarly to the one that applies to game atm (no reason why it shouldnt), it seems that GW1 Banee would be eligible to ban in GW2. --- You see, if you got banned in GW1 and wanna play GW2, you still need to take GW1 EULA into concern |
unless they start banning people IP or Hardware Ban they it should solve there problem...highly doubt this will happen but its the only way I can think of...
vaxmor
Let GW-1 banned people play in GW-2, but do *not* allowing linking of a GW-2 character to any GW-1 HoM on a GW-1 banned account.
Otherwise, a GW-2 character could potential benefit from a bannable GW-1 offence via the HoM.
Otherwise, a GW-2 character could potential benefit from a bannable GW-1 offence via the HoM.
Saelis Scarfang
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Part of growing up is learning that an adult leans more towards what he/she should do as opposed to doing simply what he/she can do,
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I don't think they should be banned in GW2, but I don't think they should be allowed to reap the rewards of their HoM in GW1. Sorry, but hell no.
Lykan
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I thought of that possibility also, my gut feel says no they wont as it will need an active account to link back in and check the achievements. I'm sure one of the checks will be that the GW2>GW1 database link will make is to check if the account is banned or not(see EULA quotes above).
Personally I don't have an issue with a banned player coming back for GW2, it's a whole new game and maybe they will have learned a lesson from it and be model citizens. However I would say the chances of someone buying GW2 who has been banned is a lot slimmer than one who has not. |
Roderick Bravehart
I agree with un-linking of banned accounts, but I don't think that ANet will go and hunt down previously banned people and ban them again. That's really just stupid. Maybe they were offensive when they were 13, but they're 17 now and they're more mature, let them play. They paid for the game.
Or another idea: Say that Captain Crusader was banned in GW1. Another guy, completely different, goes and has the name Captain Crusader on GW2. He gets banned and doesn't even know why. ANet says he commited an offense in GW1, but GW2 is his first MMO.
Or Account names: a Dude1011 gets banned, but then a newbie Dude1101 gets on, Since ANet banned the first guy, maybe they think that the newbie is actually an alt-account and ban him. What a way to ruin a game.
I don't think that hardware or IP bans are possible either. What if a guy gets banned, but then sells his computer? That would leave the buyer of the computer unable to play GW1 or 2 because the previous owner got banned. IP bans don't work well either, just because Bob gets banned for newbie spamming, doesn't mean that his sister Jane has to get banned as well. Two different accounts and a ban on both. That's just a stupid idea.
I think that this would cause problems. Not just for those who were banned, but other people as well. I think that making previously banned characters unable to play the sequel is just absurd and it sounds like a bad marketing idea.
Or another idea: Say that Captain Crusader was banned in GW1. Another guy, completely different, goes and has the name Captain Crusader on GW2. He gets banned and doesn't even know why. ANet says he commited an offense in GW1, but GW2 is his first MMO.
Or Account names: a Dude1011 gets banned, but then a newbie Dude1101 gets on, Since ANet banned the first guy, maybe they think that the newbie is actually an alt-account and ban him. What a way to ruin a game.
I don't think that hardware or IP bans are possible either. What if a guy gets banned, but then sells his computer? That would leave the buyer of the computer unable to play GW1 or 2 because the previous owner got banned. IP bans don't work well either, just because Bob gets banned for newbie spamming, doesn't mean that his sister Jane has to get banned as well. Two different accounts and a ban on both. That's just a stupid idea.
I think that this would cause problems. Not just for those who were banned, but other people as well. I think that making previously banned characters unable to play the sequel is just absurd and it sounds like a bad marketing idea.
Kashrlyyk
"(h) Former Members. Members whose Accounts have been terminated by NCsoft may not access the Service in any manner or for any reason, including through any other Account, without the express written permission of NCsoft. Accounts accessed by Former Members are subject to immediate termination. NCsoft reserves the right to use any means necessary, including those in section 4(i) to identify and remove Former Members."
This is the GW EULA, so the service is access to GW, nothing else.
This is the GW EULA, so the service is access to GW, nothing else.
Craywulf
It should be cut and dry. Banned as in Pete Rose banned...not temporary leave of absence.
All Guild Wars members should not be sympathetic to anyone who decides to go against with ArenaNet and NCsoft's EULA.
You live and learn.
All Guild Wars members should not be sympathetic to anyone who decides to go against with ArenaNet and NCsoft's EULA.
You live and learn.
arsie
Whatever the policy might be, it is all about enforcement. IP bans are generally iffy. They might stop the casual trangressors who are likely to be the least harmful, but are but a slight inconvenience to the big troublemakers.
Quite frankly, I believe most companies would let the person get a new account and play, and if that person trangresses some rules again, out he goes again. That is the most practical solution for any company to implement.
Anything more, they will need to get the assistance from the law of the land, which I am quite sure many companies will only do at a last resort. For their own sake.
Quite frankly, I believe most companies would let the person get a new account and play, and if that person trangresses some rules again, out he goes again. That is the most practical solution for any company to implement.
Anything more, they will need to get the assistance from the law of the land, which I am quite sure many companies will only do at a last resort. For their own sake.
arsie
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There has to be a rectroactive account link in GW2 otherwise theres nothing stopping me from starting GW2 and making my character 'Shanaeri Rynale'
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Perhaps during the advance order stage of GW2, where the player has to enter their GW1 info and choose an exisiting GW1 character name they want to reserve. Potentially the same with Guild names.
I am not too bothered, but I can imagine a few top PvP players who might get a bit miffed if their ign or guild names were nicked.
Red Sonya
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Originally Posted by Drop of Fear
banned people can even buy another copy of the game and start playing guild wars from scratch... -actualy multiple people did that-
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Iuris
I think it goes like this:
If you do get banned, the account is frozen. If you buy a new box, you can create a new account, and in theory, can also be banned. However, making the link may not be automatic, or may require some additional work by Anet, so an automatic banning system is not in place.
I'd expect Anet not to have an automatic IP linking system for all banned accounts (after all, IP sharing does happen, and legitimate users can be affected) and instead adopts a tacit "second chance" policy: if a new account is created, it won't be insta-banned.
However, there will be a "serious troublemaker" list, and Anet is sure to be regularly checking every new account against those.
As for the question of banned accounts in GW2, I'd say that the act of starting a new account is perhaps tolerated because it's a sign of severance from the offending account, and would not permit any effect in GW2. You claim a link to the banned account, you reestablish the link and get a brick in the teeth for not keeping your mouth shut.
If you do get banned, the account is frozen. If you buy a new box, you can create a new account, and in theory, can also be banned. However, making the link may not be automatic, or may require some additional work by Anet, so an automatic banning system is not in place.
I'd expect Anet not to have an automatic IP linking system for all banned accounts (after all, IP sharing does happen, and legitimate users can be affected) and instead adopts a tacit "second chance" policy: if a new account is created, it won't be insta-banned.
However, there will be a "serious troublemaker" list, and Anet is sure to be regularly checking every new account against those.
As for the question of banned accounts in GW2, I'd say that the act of starting a new account is perhaps tolerated because it's a sign of severance from the offending account, and would not permit any effect in GW2. You claim a link to the banned account, you reestablish the link and get a brick in the teeth for not keeping your mouth shut.
Red Sonya
Thing is Iuris you don't know what Anet is doing in monitoring banned accounts so you are just blowing smoke with assumptions. They did make factual statements that banned accounts would be linked to new accounts of those banned accounts and they would be banned as well. Those are factual statements not assumptions.