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Konig Des Todes

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04 Jul 2009 at 18:13 - 161

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Originally Posted by Piippo

This brings back my question: If the Mursaat or the Seer built the Eye, why aren't they still living there? Where they wiped out by some other inhabitants of the Far Shiverpeaks (which seems strange since the only race that could possibly be a treat are the Norn, and it's very unlikely that the Norn defeated the Mursaat or the Seers)?

The Mursaat were all killed off by the Titans before EN - though the Norn would probably know. The Seers were all killed off by the Mursaat who knows when. So if it were either, it would be abandoned.

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Originally Posted by Piippo

If indeed someone (or something) killed the builders, I'm sure the Ebon Vanguard would have found some signs of battle or that it had been inhabited before (remains, signs of fire etc.) and I'm sure Gwen would have mentioned about it when she told that the Vanguard found the Eye totally empty and abandoned.

Unless it was cleaned out before hand. Or the inhabitants were not killed in the Eye, but elsewhere. Say the Seers built it, they could have went to fight the Mursaat and all/mostly died in battle. Or ran from the Eye because it was found out.

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Originally Posted by Piippo

It's most likely the Gods who put it there (reason:unknown, but will propably come up in GW2) but it's also likely that it was a yet unknown race (which we'll propably also learn about in GW2)

I'm sure, no matter who built it, it will be found out in GW2. However, I, and probably many others, want to try to figure it out before GW2.

Hyper Cutter

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04 Jul 2009 at 21:45 - 162

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

The Mursaat were all killed off by the Titans before EN

Not all of them. At least one survived, as seen in that one quest chain about the Mantle guy...

Gmr Leon

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04 Jul 2009 at 22:01 - 163

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Just look at the two Ancestor Trees. What they have are simple hammocks. The suspected Maguuma Centaur structures are little tent-like. It seems to me that Centaurs - of what we know at least - are not very advance in structures. When I was doing my centaur research, you even said that they wouldn't really need structures due to their most likely to be nomadic nature in the area. Besides all this (as we are now going off topic), we can knock out Centaur from the builder's of the Eye - how could they get to the top to build the higher parts?

Yeah..I remembered the tents, but I wouldn't consider hammocks to really be a structure..That seems more like decorations on the trees than any kind of structure. As to the topic, very, very long ramps.

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Not all of them. At least one survived, as seen in that one quest chain about the Mantle guy...

I was about to say the same thing.

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04 Jul 2009 at 23:56 - 164

I think he was mostly reffering to Piippo's question....."why they were not living there"...they couldnt really live there because they are all dead. You wouldnt catch the single survivor of a race hiding at such a huge structure.

Anyway i find it very unlikely that the Charr built it. The Centaurs dont seem like the kind of race to be building such huge mystical structures. Same for the Tengu. I originally said (i think it was this thread) that the only known races to have possibly built the thing would be the Mursaat or Seers and that was because they are the two most mysterious races we know of...or should i say we know very little of. But i strongly believe that the race it was built by has yet to be introduced. And i'm betting it has some relation to the gods.

Konig Des Todes

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05 Jul 2009 at 01:25 - 165

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Originally Posted by GmrLeon

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Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter

Not all of them. At least one survived, as seen in that one quest chain about the Mantle guy...

I was about to say the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

I think he was mostly reffering to Piippo's question....."why they were not living there"...they couldnt really live there because they are all dead. You wouldnt catch the single survivor of a race hiding at such a huge structure.

Exacta! I didn't mean they all died (I used "all" as a simplification since they, and the Seers), but that they were mostly killed off, very very few survive - surprised that line was brought up for Mursaat, but not Seers *bloody Mursaat lovers

*. Also that they wouldn't be found there because of said fact.

draxynnic

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[CRFH]

05 Jul 2009 at 07:19 - 166

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Originally Posted by Piippo

I don't think the Mursaat built it. What would they be doing so high up in the north? Wasn't (Isn't?) their capital somewhere in the Maguuma/Tarnished Coast region? And wouldn't they still be at the Eye?

The Seers are also possible, but I don't believe it was them either. If it was built by them, then why aren't they still there? If the Eye belonged to the Seer but they got killed by the Mursaat, why aren't the Mursaat there, then?

Because they got driven out by the Titans? Or, more likely in the second case, because they abandoned it because a) they couldn't make it work, b) they were fairly certain no-one else could (they may even have believed the Seers were actually extinct) and/or c) they had more important places to be.

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Nothing thus far supports Grenth (or Dhuum), Dwayna, or Lyssa having a civilization dedicated to just him/her. Though that doesn't mean there were more than just the three, of course.

Vabbi is strongly Lyssa-oriented, and we don't know that the Zaishen and Druids exclusively venerate Balthazar and Melandru respectively - in fact, since you can get a Druid-related quest from an avatar of Dwayna, that suggests otherwise.

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I dont think Orr would ever follow a single god. If i remember correctly Arah was a very sacred place to the Orrians due to it being the city the gods resided in.

Possibly just Balthazar, Melandru and Dwayna, actually.

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10 Jul 2009 at 08:32 - 167

i dont think we'll ever hear from the seers again

and like lol, as if it could be charr built:P

probably the gods if anyone, otherwise we'd probably have an answer already right

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draxynnic

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[CRFH]

10 Jul 2009 at 14:02 - 168

Linsey's said she wants to do something with the Mursaat and Seers, so actually, we probably will.

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10 Jul 2009 at 18:38 - 169

Sort of off-topic, but I finally saw the Ice Cave and Lyssa's statue in Mineral Springs last night.

Does anybody have any theories of those two bowl-like things half submerged in the ice spewing out some sort of energy? (They are located near Lyssa's statue).

I think it may have something to do with the Seers, since there is one nearby who will infuse your armor.

Gmr Leon

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10 Jul 2009 at 23:02 - 170

I think most just assume that's random/fancy effect/insubstantial.

Konig Des Todes

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10 Jul 2009 at 23:21 - 171

Those "bowl-like things" share the same skin as the Deldrimor beacons, if I remember correctly.

I'll need to go look again some time.

draxynnic

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12 Jul 2009 at 05:10 - 172

I've generally assumed that the site was much like Balthazar's temple in the Falls or Grenth's in Lornar's Pass - an old holy place to Lyssa, now abandoned (by humans, anyway). The stuff near the statue then becomes, well, stuff associated with a holy place of Lyssa.

That there's a Seer present may say interesting things about the Seers... but it's probably more likely that a Seer is there because a) it's a good hiding place, and b) that there's an Eidolon there (although it's called an Ice Beast instead). Since the Ring of Fire bonus indicates that the creatures are attracted to magic, it's possible that the Eidolon was there because it was attracted to the magic in the cave - Lyssa being, after all, the de facto goddess of magical energy (having in her domain Energy Storage as well as all those Mesmer abilities regarding manipulation of energy).

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14 Jul 2009 at 13:24 - 173

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Nothing says the Mursaat "capital" is in the Maguuma or Tarnished Coast region. It is just as likely to be North of Kryta. And it is a two weeks carriage ride from Kryta as well (though they could have gone in circles to fool Saul).

I'm going to ignore the Stargate reference in A. And why not the Wurms or Giganticus Lupicus? because the first has no limbs, and the second are too big. It would have to be Mursaat, Gods, Forgotten, Seers, or an unknown race. No if's ands or buts about that, to be honest.

We see Tengu, Centaur, Charr, Dwarven, Norn, Margonite (Tyrian and otherly), we see only desert Forgotten *possibly different elsewhere* and many human structures. Three above we have not really seen a good amount of structures of. And of course, there is always the option of an unknown race.

-ignores the four comments above since Free Runner handled it

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http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Statue_of_Lyssa
It says Lyssa is the god worshiped in Vabbi?

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

I dont think Orr would ever follow a single god. If i remember correctly Arah was a very sacred place to the Orrians due to it being the city the gods resided in. So i would guess they followed all gods. And Livia is a Krytan while Razekial was never an Orrian to begin with he was a demon posing as one.

Only Dwayna,Melandru and Balthazar were living in Arah.

And you cant argue that Druids "belong" to Melandru,because a Druid is the avatar of Melandru.

edit.
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Free Runner

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14 Jul 2009 at 14:44 - 174

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Originally Posted by Nodakim

Only Dwayna,Melandru and Balthazar were living in Arah.

Its never said that they were the only ones living there all the time. Doric went there to get an audience with all six of them plus Abaddon wanted it destroyed.I've no doubts that every one of the gods at some point stayed or dwelt in Arah, making it a sacred city. And due to this the city became scared to the Orrians. Which brings me back to what i said - i dont think they all collectivly followed one god but instead individually followed each god.

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And you cant argue that Druids "belong" to Melandru,because a Druid is the avatar of Melandru.

No but you can argue that the druids worshipped Melandru due to the fact the druids were in tune with the earth and nature and Melandrus domain is...well earth and nature.

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27 Jul 2009 at 22:41 - 175

this could be anything. for all we know one of the ancient dragons knocked it away when landing to enter its slumber. It could be what the ice dragon is wrapped around for all we know.

Konig Des Todes

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28 Jul 2009 at 00:36 - 176

I highly doubt that it has anything to do with the Ancient Dragons purely because they are older than 10,000 years and the latest possible awakening they had was during the time of the GL. The Eye could not possibly be older than 10,000 years. And if the Ice Pillar 'dragon' is wrapped around the top of the tower of the Eye, then wouldn't it be more likely to be atop of the Eye itself? >_>

And I could have sworn I merged this with the Eye of the North thread... (merges).

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29 Jul 2009 at 01:34 - 177

In regards to the missing top, I've always assumed the Eye of the North was an incomplete structure. Maybe whoever or whatever build it never had a chance to put the roof on.

Benderama

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06 Aug 2009 at 09:31 - 178

what if the eye is made by an extinct race (like everyone says) that retained a lot of power throughout their lifetime, and this race is featured a lot in GW2 as part of the story (e.g. the race defeated the dragons before, so now players must find artifacts to help?) probably isnt the best idea ^^;

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06 Aug 2009 at 12:23 - 179

I think an extinct race or a race that left Tyria is the best bet for the Eyes creation if the gods themselves didnt put it there. Nobody seems to know who built it, the Norns oldest story tellers are lost on its creation, the Asura arent familiar with it, nether are the Dwarves, the Humans like always know nothing about it and the Charr simply dont care.

Konig Des Todes

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06 Aug 2009 at 13:37 - 180

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

I think an extinct race or a race that left Tyria is the best bet for the Eyes creation if the gods themselves didnt put it there. Nobody seems to know who built it, the Norns oldest story tellers are lost on its creation, the Asura arent familiar with it, nether are the Dwarves, the Humans like always know nothing about it and the Charr simply dont care.

@ Bold: Regarding god structures, I think that if they have any form of structures, it would be the ancient stone structures found in portions of the Underworld and the beginning portions of the HoH/HA levels (which can also be found around Grenth's statue in the Catacombs near the Gargoyles).

@ Underlined: Centaurs also don't show any signs of caring or knowing of the Eye of the North. Just to note.

Free Runner

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06 Aug 2009 at 14:24 - 181

I'm not going to base all of the gods structures on one gods realm. Grenths Underworld differs greatly in looks to Balthazars Fissure of Woe. Plus theres nothing to say they are limited to one look on everything they make. And i was listing the important races there (and by important i mean the ones who took more of an active part in Eye of the North rather than being cannon fodder) - i would be here all day if i listed every race that didnt care about the Eye

Konig Des Todes

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06 Aug 2009 at 14:35 - 182

I wasn't fully clear on the "god structure" comment - that and I kind of skipped the second part I meant to put in. =x

I was actually meaning more of the HoH (i.e., golden) structures being more of "Gods' structures" - and with those stone structures being more "archaic" Rift structures, or structures preferred by Grenth himself, while those we see more common in the Fissure (the two towers and the forge) would be structures preferred by Balthazar.

For the gold structures, we see that in the Hall of Heroes (and areas just out of it, which include a shrine (or temple?) to Grenth and one to Balthazat), and we see that inside the Mesa as well - which proves it's not solely in the Rift (though the Mesa one lacks a grandiose that the Hall of Heroes has, but that's to be expected, I'd say *by grandiose, I mean it is much more plain, those "angel" statues with stain-glassed wings, I believe, are not there for instance*) - which means it could be the generic "god structures."

All three structures are nothing like either of the two temples we see, or the Eye of the North. This makes me highly doubt any of those three are god-made, or commissioned.

And you should only list cultured races that reside or go near the Eye. :P

draxynnic

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07 Aug 2009 at 13:46 - 183

Except the Centaurs do launch a pretty serious attack on the Eye. Could just be because there were humans there to attack, but it's not impossible that they know something.

Regarding the angel structures... I'm willing to bet they're from Dwayna's influence. Especially given the Vabbian legend about the harpies...

Konig Des Todes

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07 Aug 2009 at 14:10 - 184

Regarding Dwayna's influence on angels. People always forget: Melandru has angelic wings (on her statue) as well! *oh my, a generation of gods were angels! Only two left

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draxynnic

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07 Aug 2009 at 14:43 - 185

I didn't forget (in fact, I think I was the one who originally proposed the theory that this was significant - certainly one of the early contributors), and considered mentioning it. However, while Melandru has wings as well, of the two Dwayna seems much more likely to have winged servants.

Konig Des Todes

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07 Aug 2009 at 16:07 - 186

Actually, what I was more or less getting at is the possibility of a "past generation" of gods were all angelic beings. And those statues could be based off of a race instead of the gods or Dwayna's followers specifically.

But now we're going off topic. Again.

Mister_Smiley

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08 Aug 2009 at 14:52 - 187

Its possible that it is a former god that had build the eye of the north, maybe a god before Abaddon, since we know from the Apostate quest, he said that there where Gods before Abaddon, its also possible that all the gods are not eternal gods and could be killed.

Free Runner

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08 Aug 2009 at 15:15 - 188

Yes it could be a former god. We only know of two former gods at the moment - Dhumm and the unknown god that came before Abaddon. Like what as been discussed countless times, the other gods could have predecessors. But that would still come under the gods building it.

draxynnic

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09 Aug 2009 at 13:20 - 189

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Actually, what I was more or less getting at is the possibility of a "past generation" of gods were all angelic beings. And those statues could be based off of a race instead of the gods or Dwayna's followers specifically.

But now we're going off topic. Again.

True. However, this could be because that was the natural shape for a god of that generation, or it could be that there was a mortal race taking that shape. Either way, though, if we ever interact with an angelic form apart from the Avatar of Dwayna, I expect (especially given the harpy legend) it'll turn out to be a denizen of Dwayna's domain...

...which could turn out to be non-divine (or at least less divine) members of the race Dwayna and Melandru are/were members of.

Winnies Bro

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18 Aug 2009 at 10:10 - 190

I have an idea!

People have said that the top of the eye of the north appears to have fallen off or been destroyed. Yes, that is very possibly.

But what if instead of it being destroyed, it was instead not finished. Prehaps the builders left in a hurry before it was finished, they may have left because of that dragon like creature atop that ice column forced them to leave or scared them off.

It could also explain why there is nothing inside the eye of the north, they had to leave...

I remember reading somewhere that the hall of monuments was to do with a long dead hero(i think it was the official wiki), so prehaps they "made" the hall of monuments first, making the scrying pool, putting up the tapestries(in lore sense, the tapestries were there before the ebon vanguard came along, in game sense, the players put them up) that sort of thing because the unknown hero was much too important for his hall to be left to the end to be made.

So the HoM was finished but before they could finish the tower and put things inside it they had to leave...

All i can think off now will post more later!

Free Runner

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18 Aug 2009 at 10:47 - 191

The Hall of Monuments is to do with a long dead hero but the hero is our character. The thing you read was from the perspective of GW2.

As for the broken top, strangely enough the "Master of the North" monument is a direct model of the Eye of the North yet it has an intact top. And from the looks of it theres nothing special there.

Neo Atomisk

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18 Aug 2009 at 18:18 - 192

So WHY is the top broken? I believe I had a topic on that a while back. hopefully that will be answered eventually. And I'm praying for it not to be Lightning <_<

Winnies Bro

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18 Aug 2009 at 18:28 - 193

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

The Hall of Monuments is to do with a long dead hero but the hero is our character. The thing you read was from the perspective of GW2.

As for the broken top, strangely enough the "Master of the North" monument is a direct model of the Eye of the North yet it has an intact top. And from the looks of it theres nothing special there.

Hmmm, yes it does appear to be referring to our character.

I'm just looking at the master of the north thingy now on the wiki...

Yes, the eye of the north monument has an intact top... Interesting.

Neo Atomisk

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18 Aug 2009 at 19:27 - 194

So WHY is the top broken? I believe I had a topic on that a while back. hopefully that will be answered eventually. And I'm praying for it not to be Lightning <_<

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18 Aug 2009 at 21:38 - 195

Has anyone ever seriously looked at the floating statue in the pool of water behind the titles monument and investigated it?

Gmr Leon

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18 Aug 2009 at 22:14 - 196

I can't recall having ever met anyone who had the actual, entire statue, myself, so I can't say that I've had the chance. All I've had are screenshots posted to the wiki, and I haven't really seen anything spectacular, but I've also never taken the time to examine them thoroughly.

Free Runner

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18 Aug 2009 at 23:27 - 197

I've looked at the statue but i cant really place it as anything. It just looks like some kind of angel with an helmet on to me.

Konig Des Todes

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18 Aug 2009 at 23:46 - 198

It looks like a giant's coffin floating in that blue liquid to me...

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19 Aug 2009 at 04:58 - 199

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It looks like a giant's coffin floating in that blue liquid to me...

..or maybe a tomb for our hero. I've always wondered if it wasn't some sort of magic stasis...thing...for the character to "rest" in until it was time for him/her to wake up and save the world again.

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19 Aug 2009 at 08:14 - 200

and we lay down on it as humans and guess what... 250 years later, ma body has decomposed into a charr! rawr!