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Konig Des Todes

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27 Jun 2009 at 21:18 - 121

Firstly, a thread on the origin of the Eye of the North exists here.

It is on the first page of the lore forum, and is in the Archives which I made for easy searching.

If you are going to post a new thread, please make sure it is not already made. Please stop being so post happy.

Now then, to continue on what Leon said:

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

I remember reading somewhere that the mursaat like shiny things,the eotn is definately shiny!

That is no where stated.

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also does anyone know why the ebon vanguard named the eye of the north the eye of the north?

Because that is the name. The Norn also call it the Eye of the North - I believe.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

the wiki says 'While within this outpost, looking straight up will reveal the great "eye" that this location is named after.... i havent noticed this...

The wiki's are generally incorrect and faulty at best. It should only be used as a secondary source with manuals, articles, and in-game dialogue/observations being the primary source. There is no "great eye".

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

you should by now have seen the strange blackness above the eye, perhaps that is a magical device that 'sees' all of tyria somehow. this is a bat farfetched but we know so little about it.

First, clouds and the sky is set in stone in the game, so you could stand and watch the sky in the game all day and it won't change. Second, assuming it is the use of magic, it is most likely a similar thing to The Astralarium in Istan - that is, the sky magically changed to observe the sky. Which would make sense as "Eye" could refer to something like a telescope or a location to observe the stars (aka an astralarium in the Far Shiverpeaks)

Again, a simple reminder please make sure whether or not threads exist before posting. I know the search option is currently disabled, but that doesn't mean you couldn't check the Archives.

Konig Des Todes

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28 Jun 2009 at 03:10 - 122

I merged Winnies' thread into the existing one and deleted a number of troll/unneeded posts.

Winnies Bro

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28 Jun 2009 at 20:17 - 123

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Only moderators can do what I mentioned at the bottom of my post, hence why I said "If this were on GWO", as I maintain the Lore Forums there. The reason behind closing your threads, is due to the existence of the thread already, albeit most likely under another name. This is to lessen the redundancy of discussion, and to keep it within one topic.

Thanx but i did say that i did not know what'GWO' is.
besides that, fair enough

i had i few ideas of my ownabout the eye and i just forgot that it would have been best to just post there, sorry.

someone sais that there is nothing that says the mursaat like shiny things, i read that somewhere ages ago, i dont know when where, how or why. but i did read it im sure of it.

Konig Des Todes

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29 Jun 2009 at 00:14 - 124

Just because you think you read something doesn't make it fact. If you read it on the forum or wiki, it is most likely a theory or false. If it isn't canon, it isn't support, unless you go off of that theory. And random statements which that probably was is probably just plain incorrect and was a troll.

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29 Jun 2009 at 02:42 - 125

Personally, I think the three fingered people that built the Catacombs built the Eye. The architecture and details are the same.

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29 Jun 2009 at 02:47 - 126

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three fingered people tha built the Catacombs? There is no source of who built the Catacombs...

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29 Jun 2009 at 05:21 - 127

1) I'm not a mod.
2) When'd konig become a mod?
3) Sauce on the 3 fingered people? my mind snapped to rift wardens but thats cuz i just got an el phantasmal tonic.
4) sorry for not being too familiar with ascalon, but I'm pretty sure the people of aascalon built the catacombs.

Gmr Leon

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29 Jun 2009 at 06:38 - 128

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Originally Posted by Neo Atomisk

2) When'd konig become a mod?

Two days ago, now, I think. My sleep schedule is a tad screwy so my record of time is a bit scattered as well.

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4) sorry for not being too familiar with ascalon, but I'm pretty sure the people of aascalon built the catacombs.

That's the funny thing about it, it doesn't seem to be. That or, because we're all lore nuts we just want it to be someone or something else that created it. I honestly cannot recall for the existence of me, where exactly the speculation that it wasn't built by the Ascalonians began. I just know it's existed ever since I started out, which apparently was 3 years ago.

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29 Jun 2009 at 08:51 - 129

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

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three fingered people tha built the Catacombs? There is no source of who built the Catacombs...

T'was meant to be more of a joke than anything, but...

In the Destructions Depths Dungeon, as well as a few others, you'll see these guys poking out of the wall.

If you'll look at the detailing on their bodies, they look similar to the architectural details all over the Eye;

And both are similar to the knots on the tapestries in the Dining hall of the CoF Dungeon (I'll get a picture soon if you guys want it). Also, if you look at the Eye, the birdies that are within and without in both pictures...

... are similar to the birds found at the foot of the southern staircase leading to the portal to the second level of the Bloodstone dungeon (I've noticed them when playing through, oddly enough I was absolutely sure I had taken a picture of them!

).

I don't know who the guys poking out of the wall are, but the thing that interests me is that they only have three (or is that four?) fingers. We're pretty sure that the Asura, the Dwarves, and the Norn didn't build the Eye, and we also don't know who built the extensive network of catacombs (I use that term to refer to the EotN dungeons, not the Ascalonian catacombs in Pre-sear) throughout Tyria.

Many of the catacomb dungeons feature similar artifacts to the Eye, for instance the Knots I pointed out earlier in the pictures, the statue, and the tapestries, or even the standing water in the Monument of Honor and the Animated Face. Even beyond that, there's the extensive crystalline works in many of the dungeons that could be loosely compared to the EotN's crystal features.

The Three Fingered person statue is the only unique, intelligent looking creatures I've seen evidence of connected to the Dungeon Catacombs. And with the above, I have postulated that it might be a statue of an extinct builder race with ties to the Catacombs and the construction of the Eye.

While I do think there is a little merit to the idea, this more of a personal joke to me. I don't think this is an end-all-beat-all idea, nor do I think it's very substantive or concrete, because it's not.

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29 Jun 2009 at 15:12 - 130

Oh yes, those statues. Those are a part of my current research (which I forgot about a couple days ago until just now).

The issue is that those sculptures are only found in the Far Shiverpeaks (Raven's Point, Sepulchure of Dragrimmar, Fronis Irontoe's Lair, level 2 of DD). Nothing I've found to support them in other areas, but you claim to have found something. If you can PM the pictures (or show me where you mean in game), I'd be much appreciative. You're post added to my research.

Danke!

And I have another race that could be linked to those dungeons - the thought came by something Leon said earlier in this thread.

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30 Jun 2009 at 02:39 - 131

If the catacombs weren't built built by the ascalonians, I think its safe to say the mursaat built Fahranur.

But all evidence (or lack of it) points to the ascalonians building the catacombs, and no one has inhabitted ascalon aside from... ascalonians, as far as i know

Konig Des Todes

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30 Jun 2009 at 04:04 - 132

Charr and Forgotten have inhabited Ascalon before the Humans. Well, Forgotten - southern Ascalon.

Though that doesn't mean a race didn't inhabit underneath. And the Catacombs are said to reach "all across Tyria" if I remember correctly from the Prophecies Manual.

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30 Jun 2009 at 05:43 - 133

o_o alright I guess I'll stick with asking questions, I never seem to know anything ~_~

But, iirc, the catacombs have a statue of grenth somewhere, so wouldn't that point to humans?

EDIT: yep, there are murals. Tht makes the Forgotten possible, but I'll stick with humans.

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30 Jun 2009 at 16:10 - 134

Those could have been added after the initial construction, or the "underground race" which by O14's post seems to be linked to other dungeons in terms of design and possible creator (doesn't surprise me, as I pointed out I read somewhere that the Catacombs stretch all over Tyria - gotta double check source still).

Gmr Leon

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01 Jul 2009 at 08:01 - 135

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Charr and Forgotten have inhabited Ascalon before the Humans. Well, Forgotten - southern Ascalon.

It never said that the Forgotten occupied southern Ascalon. In fact, from the Ecology of the Charr, it would seem to imply they never occupied Ascalon at all, and that the Charr used the Blazeridge Mountains as a sort of natural wall to keep them out.

Operative 14

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01 Jul 2009 at 08:46 - 136

My attempts to mount a screenshot expedition have not met with success, I'm still trying though.

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01 Jul 2009 at 11:36 - 137

I think the catacombs and the dungeons of GWEN, are built by civilization of Arah. Why? Because of Bloodstone Caves and the Shards of Orr. The Bloodstones were built by the gods, on the request from King Dorian.

I think there was a servent race, equivalent of Abbadons Margonites (if not the same), that the other 5 gods had. When the gods left, the servants vanished too. Leaving all the structures behind. Thus we could have 6 different styles of architecture (one for each gods building team), that built together or in tandem for the great project. For example Ice was probably Grents or his predecessors team.

The network probably was intended and used for world wide transport, communication, Magic Boosting & energy transference. Long before King Dorian asked for reducing Magic. Gatways and statues are deliberately placed. The catacomb system became obsolete due to new better gateways and practises.

At the request of King Doric Its function was then altered and now assists in subduing magic.

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01 Jul 2009 at 15:17 - 138

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Originally Posted by GmrLeon

It never said that the Forgotten occupied southern Ascalon. In fact, from the Ecology of the Charr, it would seem to imply they never occupied Ascalon at all, and that the Charr used the Blazeridge Mountains as a sort of natural wall to keep them out.

Yeah, I misremembered. I thought it was the Forgotten who were using the Mountains in the fight.

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Originally Posted by Roupe

I think the catacombs and the dungeons of GWEN, are built by civilization of Arah. Why? Because of Bloodstone Caves and the Shards of Orr. The Bloodstones were built by the gods, on the request from King Dorian.

I think there was a servent race, equivalent of Abbadons Margonites (if not the same), that the other 5 gods had. When the gods left, the servants vanished too. Leaving all the structures behind. Thus we could have 6 different styles of architecture (one for each gods building team), that built together or in tandem for the great project. For example Ice was probably Grents or his predecessors team.

The network probably was intended and used for world wide transport, communication, Magic Boosting & energy transference. Long before King Dorian asked for reducing Magic. Gatways and statues are deliberately placed. The catacomb system became obsolete due to new better gateways and practises.

At the request of King Doric Its function was then altered and now assists in subduing magic.

I think it is foolhardy to link all of the dungeons together, especially because of the Shards of Orr (and Bloodstone Caves doesn't have any support of it being Orrian). I think that Shards of Orr, at least, exception is an exception with who built the dungeons. Along with certain parts of other dungeons (mainly, the naturally formed areas).

I am still unsure of the creators as my research isn't finished, but I don't view them all to be the same creator. Just most.

As for the 6 civilizations devoted to just one god. Very possible. We already have seen 3 such groups.

Druids=Melandru
Margonites=Abaddon
Zaishen=Balthazar

Nothing thus far supports Grenth (or Dhuum), Dwayna, or Lyssa having a civilization dedicated to just him/her. Though that doesn't mean there were more than just the three, of course.

Gmr Leon

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01 Jul 2009 at 16:41 - 139

I always considered the Forgotten to be the servants of all of the Gods. This would mean that they would be the likeliest candidate for having built all of the dungeons under Roupe's hypothesis, but nothing at all supports this.

Honestly, I think any and all research into the dungeons without an obvious origin (natural, or Shards of Orr, built by Orrians (the stone work, that is) and Corsairs (the ramshackle huts, or Kaineng City homes, as one may be more familiar with) is bound to be fairly useless due to the reuse of textures. With the exception of the above-ground areas, Far Shiverpeaks, Northlands, Sparkfly Swamp, and the natural areas of the Tarnished Coast, most of Eye of the North is scrap lore.

Also, note, I said natural areas of the Tarnished Coast due to the usage of textures found in Asuran outposts in the dungeons rather randomly. However, this does not mean the outpost info is invalid, nor does it mean Tarnished Haven is invalid, as Tarnished Haven, while containing architecture, is known to be Krytan architecture, and is not used randomly throughout the dungeons.

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01 Jul 2009 at 16:46 - 140

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Originally Posted by Roupe

I think there was a servent race, equivalent of Abbadons Margonites (if not the same), that the other 5 gods had. When the gods left, the servants vanished too. Leaving all the structures behind.

I think that the forgotten would fit into that description. They were ordered by the gods to handle the caretaking of the world. After the gods left, they drifted into the background. They still live in the crystal desert and if you look, there is actually forgotten architecture, its different from the elonian works, like a bee-hive, theres some by the guy who ends the 15 attb quest.

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01 Jul 2009 at 17:22 - 141

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Bloodstone Caves doesn't have any support of it being Orrian

A bloodstone is in it. And Arah are the place Doric went to in order for the Bloodstone to be created.
Sure
The Gods could have commissioned anyone to build it.
It could be renovations from diffrent times.

Not to mention that The History of Tyria tells that the Stones were dropped into place (so they could just have placed it regardless of who built the surrounding area)

But the Gods at that time had their own city & special servants (many of them). They were building at the time, and Magic was their grand opening gift.

So its more likely they used their own personnel to oversee its completion. Especially since the depths of Tyria looks is a mesh of architectural styles. Having several building teams involved, could explain it. Or that the depths look so identical. (discounting the IRL reasons, and adapting in game to fit the result)

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01 Jul 2009 at 17:36 - 142

The bloodstones were put into the volcano called Abaddon's Mouth. The volcano erupted and spread the Bloodstones everywhere. One landed right next to the volcano, one in the Maguuma, and one in the Bloodstone Caves. The structures were built around them long after Doric died and the Gods left the world. They wouldn't have commissioned anyone to build it - most likely.

Their current location is randomized, for the most part.

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01 Jul 2009 at 17:59 - 143

Roupe, I highly suggest checking your sources before you post something, it will help prevent criticism and it means your posts will be more constructive to the discussion rather than mistaken or misunderstood information. If anyone at all had built the Bloodstone Caves, it seems like the ones who may have controlled it before, and while I detest having to say it, the Mursaat were going to take Evennia and Saidra to a nearby Bloodstone, rumored to be in the Shiverpeaks, confirmed to be the one in the Bloodstone Caves.

I'm sure you can make the connection from there.

Roupe

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01 Jul 2009 at 18:37 - 144

Gods can probably predict things in advance.

Just because the Mursat used the Bloodstone in the Bloodstone cave, doesnt mean they built the cave/ catacombs connecting to its landing spot.

They most likely found it, the place have few mursat Architechtures except at the Stone itself.

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01 Jul 2009 at 19:00 - 145

I doubt that. If they could, then why didn't they do anything to prevent Nightfall? Or Odran creating the portals? The Searing, cataclysm, Jade Wind, Dhuum's attack on the Underworld, Menzies' attack on the Fissure of Woe which included traitorous Eternals?

Nothing supports the Gods being able to predict things, in fact, it shows against it.

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01 Jul 2009 at 19:38 - 146

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Originally Posted by Roupe

Gods can probably predict things in advance.

Just because the Mursat used the Bloodstone in the Bloodstone cave, doesnt mean they built the cave/ catacombs connecting to its landing spot.

They most likely found it, the place have few mursat Architechtures except at the Stone itself.

Never said they had to have built it, but it would make sense that they found the Bloodstone, and made a path to it. Also, it would appear as though they never had a chance to use that Bloodstone.

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

I doubt that. If they could, then why didn't they do anything to prevent Nightfall? Or Odran creating the portals? The Searing, cataclysm, Jade Wind, Dhuum's attack on the Underworld, Menzies' attack on the Fissure of Woe which included traitorous Eternals?

Maybe they did, but for their own reasons, they felt the actions that they took were, well, the best ones to take. Possibly because they've also seen the alternatives.

Consider that one of the examples of prophecy we have seen - the Flameseeker Prophecies - came from a divine agent (Glint), foresaw the Searing (and probably the Cataclysm as well), and even afterwards was fairly apocalyptic in nature (depending on how you look at it it was either aimed at more permanently containing the Titans after releasing them, using the Titans to break the Mursaat before cleaning up the resulting mess, or, possibly, deliberately weakening the walls of the Realm of Torment to accelerate Nightfall, possibly so that Kormir could take Abaddon's place). It seems entirely possible that the gods had foreseen all those disasters (if Glint has the power of prophecy, it's logical that the gods have access to it as well) but they had their own reasons for allowing them to happen.

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02 Jul 2009 at 16:18 - 148

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The Seers?

I really hope that is the case. They are probably the best looking NPC in the game. Although they only had a minor role in Proph, I really did like them. They really do need to have some more lore and backstory added to them then "We don't like the Mursaat"

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

It seems entirely possible that the gods had foreseen all those disasters (if Glint has the power of prophecy, it's logical that the gods have access to it as well) but they had their own reasons for allowing them to happen.

Off topic, but this reminds me of a great scene in Dr. Who (Tom Baker), where he has a chance to destroy the Daleks.

He hesitates, then decides not to, knowing that although the Daleks cause great destruction, they also unite races and end other wars.

Perhaps the gods realize even though these catastrophic events cause great harm, good things do happen as well (although I doubt people like Gwen would accept this premise).

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03 Jul 2009 at 20:03 - 150

There's three alternatives about the Eyes origins:
A) It's a huge Goa'uld weapon of mass destruction that nobody knows how to use since all the Goa'ulds that knew how to use it are dead. Of course the heroes (us!) finds out how to use it in Guild Wars 2 and defeats the dragons with it.
B) The Gods put it there, whatever their reason was and its only purpose in the GW universe was to show where the Great Destroyer was hiding.
C) It was built by some yet unknown race or by a very minor one that we least would expect (True Giants, Wurms?? Why not?)

I don't think the Mursaat built it. What would they be doing so high up in the north? Wasn't (Isn't?) their capital somewhere in the Maguuma/Tarnished Coast region? And wouldn't they still be at the Eye?

The Seers are also possible, but I don't believe it was them either. If it was built by them, then why aren't they still there? If the Eye belonged to the Seer but they got killed by the Mursaat, why aren't the Mursaat there, then?

Personally I believe in B), but if the devs has stated that the Eye will have a role in GW2, then it would be C)

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03 Jul 2009 at 21:26 - 151

Quote:

Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Yeah, I misremembered. I thought it was the Forgotten who were using the Mountains in the fight.

I think it is foolhardy to link all of the dungeons together, especially because of the Shards of Orr (and Bloodstone Caves doesn't have any support of it being Orrian). I think that Shards of Orr, at least, exception is an exception with who built the dungeons. Along with certain parts of other dungeons (mainly, the naturally formed areas).

I am still unsure of the creators as my research isn't finished, but I don't view them all to be the same creator. Just most.

As for the 6 civilizations devoted to just one god. Very possible. We already have seen 3 such groups.

Druids=Melandru
Margonites=Abaddon
Zaishen=Balthazar

Nothing thus far supports Grenth (or Dhuum), Dwayna, or Lyssa having a civilization dedicated to just him/her. Though that doesn't mean there were more than just the three, of course.

Maybe Orr=Grenth.
I dont know how many information we have about Orr,but I know it isnt that much.
The fact that Khilborn and Livia are both Necromancers (and probably the only Orrians actualy in Guild Wars) and that the left overs are occupied with undead may be a clue.
Edit.Razakel is also an necromancer who pretended to be a Warrior,possbily another hint.

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03 Jul 2009 at 21:43 - 152

I dont think Orr would ever follow a single god. If i remember correctly Arah was a very sacred place to the Orrians due to it being the city the gods resided in. So i would guess they followed all gods. And Livia is a Krytan while Razekial was never an Orrian to begin with he was a demon posing as one.

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03 Jul 2009 at 21:50 - 153

Geesh,you are right about Livia,I had here as Orrian in my mind,probably because she said she is going to Arah.
And about Razakel,is says he is a form of Terrick which participated in the Cataclysm,so he wasnt pretending?

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03 Jul 2009 at 22:03 - 154

Terick is Razakels disguise. Razakel was a demon that pretended to be an Orrian by the name of Terick. So Razakel was never Orrian because well..hes a demon. Terick is just his disguise which he used to play his part in the Cataclysm. He continues to use this disguise in the Realm of Torment (I'm guessing he was a spy for Abaddon) until he shows his true self.

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04 Jul 2009 at 03:03 - 155

Nothing says the Mursaat "capital" is in the Maguuma or Tarnished Coast region. It is just as likely to be North of Kryta. And it is a two weeks carriage ride from Kryta as well (though they could have gone in circles to fool Saul).

I'm going to ignore the Stargate reference in A. And why not the Wurms or Giganticus Lupicus? because the first has no limbs, and the second are too big. It would have to be Mursaat, Gods, Forgotten, Seers, or an unknown race. No if's ands or buts about that, to be honest.

We see Tengu, Centaur, Charr, Dwarven, Norn, Margonite (Tyrian and otherly), we see only desert Forgotten *possibly different elsewhere* and many human structures. Three above we have not really seen a good amount of structures of. And of course, there is always the option of an unknown race.

-ignores the four comments above since Free Runner handled it

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Gmr Leon

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04 Jul 2009 at 03:54 - 156

Actually, we can't say we've seen sufficient amounts of any of the other race's architecture, I'd say. We have a fair amount of Tengu, Charr, Forgotten, Norn, and Dwarven, but I'd still be willing to say very little in the way of Charr and Forgotten, and practically nothing of Centaur and Margonite.

Centaur, most certainly, and the reason I say Margonite is because the structures we do see were built more in a time of desperation due to the lowering sea level than in any permanent manner. Not to mention that it's fairly easy to doubt that they lived only aboard ships, and that they most likely had at least some form of inland architecture.

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04 Jul 2009 at 04:46 - 157

True, we haven't seen Tyrian Centaur, but we have seen Elonian Centaur. As for Margonite structures, true, but the Eye wouldn't be Margonite anyways - too far from the Unending Ocean.

Charr, it is possible, but it is so far unlikely. Same with Tyrian Centaur - but the Centaur is closer.

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04 Jul 2009 at 05:46 - 158

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

True, we haven't seen Tyrian Centaur, but we have seen Elonian Centaur. As for Margonite structures, true, but the Eye wouldn't be Margonite anyways - too far from the Unending Ocean.

Charr, it is possible, but it is so far unlikely. Same with Tyrian Centaur - but the Centaur is closer.

But still not much of Elonian Centaur. (Although, at the moment, the Elonian Centaur architecture eludes me as I don't recall it.)

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04 Jul 2009 at 17:18 - 159

Just look at the two Ancestor Trees. What they have are simple hammocks. The suspected Maguuma Centaur structures are little tent-like. It seems to me that Centaurs - of what we know at least - are not very advance in structures. When I was doing my centaur research, you even said that they wouldn't really need structures due to their most likely to be nomadic nature in the area. Besides all this (as we are now going off topic), we can knock out Centaur from the builder's of the Eye - how could they get to the top to build the higher parts?

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04 Jul 2009 at 17:47 - 160

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

I'm going to ignore the Stargate reference in A.

And in that you do wisely. But the main idea of A) isn't inpossible. That the Eye was built by some race that was in a war against the dragons and it was intended to be used as a weapon against them. Either the dragons defeated them before they had a chance to use it or the weapon itself failed somehow. The Eye (if it's a weapon) could be used against the dragons in GW2 if this is the case.

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

because the first has no limbs, and the second are too big.

Obviously

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

It would have to be Mursaat, Gods, Forgotten, Seers, or an unknown race. No if's ands or buts about that, to be honest.

This brings back my question: If the Mursaat or the Seer built the Eye, why aren't they still living there? Where they wiped out by some other inhabitants of the Far Shiverpeaks (which seems strange since the only race that could possibly be a treat are the Norn, and it's very unlikely that the Norn defeated the Mursaat or the Seers)?
If indeed someone (or something) killed the builders, I'm sure the Ebon Vanguard would have found some signs of battle or that it had been inhabited before (remains, signs of fire etc.) and I'm sure Gwen would have mentioned about it when she told that the Vanguard found the Eye totally empty and abandoned.

It's most likely the Gods who put it there (reason:unknown, but will propably come up in GW2) but it's also likely that it was a yet unknown race (which we'll propably also learn about in GW2)