Who built the Eye?
Heloniar
imho the keystone will probably play a role along with EOTN in containing the powers of the dragons. I bet anet will send us all over to find all the bloodstone pieces, activate them, and when we reach eotn, the bloodstones reassemble and gives us the power to put the dragons back to sleep or something. and that'd be the "ancension" ceremony for gw2.
Neo Atomisk
Thx for kicking my ass azrael.
And the eotn was madeby abaddon to combat the ancient dragons
And I still side with you on the seers.
And the eotn was madeby abaddon to combat the ancient dragons
And I still side with you on the seers.
Free Runner
The Eye of the North seems to have a mind of its own. When i look at its effects and role in the game i realise that its constantly pushing the hero forward. Once something relevent to the destination is complete it will "call" the hero back in order to push them further.
On it being made to combat the dragons - in actual fact it does nothing to combat them. True, it does hold them up but what is 200 years to something that has been sleeping for longer than 10,000 years. Also looking at the location of the dragon isnt exaclty going to help - chances are your going to know where the dragon is due to the amount of destruction.
My theory is that the Eye was made by something or some race to act like a Prophet. Perhaps even a mighty weapon to glance into the enemies land.
On it being made to combat the dragons - in actual fact it does nothing to combat them. True, it does hold them up but what is 200 years to something that has been sleeping for longer than 10,000 years. Also looking at the location of the dragon isnt exaclty going to help - chances are your going to know where the dragon is due to the amount of destruction.
My theory is that the Eye was made by something or some race to act like a Prophet. Perhaps even a mighty weapon to glance into the enemies land.
carnage-runner
Kinda like a seeing stone from LotR... Maybe there are multiples and maybe another race, the constructor/user will be introduced as an enemy that has been spying on us?
Would be a neat twist. This thing has nothing to do with the Dragon's imo. Dragon's are basically the top of any food chain. The eotn does seem to impose missions on the hero. What do they accomplish? I would imagine it wasn't created for spying though, since it clearly implies that you should go somewhere and do something in order to stop some evil entity.
Seers help us with the Lich, sort of. They indirectly guide us. The eye is more direct, I don't think it's seer. The eye is also combatting the Great Destroyer by telling us to go do things to help strengthen our numbers. Who's an enemy of the destroyers? That's our creator(s). I think this could almost be classified as an ancient weapon, seeing as it seems to know alot about everything the enemy does. Just a thought.
Would be a neat twist. This thing has nothing to do with the Dragon's imo. Dragon's are basically the top of any food chain. The eotn does seem to impose missions on the hero. What do they accomplish? I would imagine it wasn't created for spying though, since it clearly implies that you should go somewhere and do something in order to stop some evil entity.
Seers help us with the Lich, sort of. They indirectly guide us. The eye is more direct, I don't think it's seer. The eye is also combatting the Great Destroyer by telling us to go do things to help strengthen our numbers. Who's an enemy of the destroyers? That's our creator(s). I think this could almost be classified as an ancient weapon, seeing as it seems to know alot about everything the enemy does. Just a thought.
Konig Des Todes
I doubt the building has a mind of it's own. As for the "call" I think it is more of a game mechanic to prevent people from going "ok, I did that, now what?" and get lost in what to do.
As for the "pushing us forward" part, it only, and slowly, directs us to the Great Destroyer. At first it's indirect (just showing one destroyer, then multiple, then the great, then finally basically slapping vekk in the face with the statue). And then there is the fact that the Destroyers is what our character was thinking of, where they are. And the more uses of the Scrying Pool, the more obvious the hint.
I think that if the Scrying Pool was found during Prophecies, that it would have pointed us at Kryta/Shining Blade/Mursaat *depending on which part of the story* instead of the Great Destroyer.
In other words, to me the Eye of the North is the housing pool of an ancient "television" set that is tuned in to show what we want to see.
As for the "pushing us forward" part, it only, and slowly, directs us to the Great Destroyer. At first it's indirect (just showing one destroyer, then multiple, then the great, then finally basically slapping vekk in the face with the statue). And then there is the fact that the Destroyers is what our character was thinking of, where they are. And the more uses of the Scrying Pool, the more obvious the hint.
I think that if the Scrying Pool was found during Prophecies, that it would have pointed us at Kryta/Shining Blade/Mursaat *depending on which part of the story* instead of the Great Destroyer.
In other words, to me the Eye of the North is the housing pool of an ancient "television" set that is tuned in to show what we want to see.
Gmr Leon
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The Keystone wasn't there when the gods left. The volcano erupted and sent the bloodstones in different places. That one Bloodstone just happened to not go far.
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I agree with Konig (Azazel) on the Eye of the North, it doesn't so much as have a mind of its own as it is a tool. There's something about our characters, perhaps Ascension or Weh No Su, that allows us to activate it and then it's just a matter of learning how to use it. Towards the end of Eye of the North, we finally get the hang of it by focusing in on what we're after, then it's just a matter of locating it and traveling there.
Neo Atomisk
gmr, I use the eye with lvl 10 in ascended chars to get to gunnars hold for Kilroy grinding. Ascension has nothing to do with it.
Free Runner
Ascension and Weh No Su are out of the question. An Elonian who has done nether is able to commune with the Scrying Pool. It could simply react to those who are "neutral". By neutral i mean those who have no actual intentions for the device. Gwen is incredibly unstable and would use it against the Charr, Langmar would no doubt use it the same way. The hero simply activates it with no intentions (until he/she finds out more about the Destroyers).
Or it could activate based on heroic deeds - but then i would have to ask how it knows about deeds done.
Or it could activate based on heroic deeds - but then i would have to ask how it knows about deeds done.
Konig Des Todes
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Yes, it was, all of the Bloodstones were within the volcano. Dropped one by one, as the Manuscripts say if I'm not mistaken.
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And now that I have a tad bit more time, I'll expand on what I said before - and responses:
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Thx for kicking my ass azrael.
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My theory is that the Eye was made by something or some race to act like a Prophet. Perhaps even a mighty weapon to glance into the enemies land.
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The eotn does seem to impose missions on the hero.
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since it clearly implies that you should go somewhere and do something in order to stop some evil entity.
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Seers help us with the Lich, sort of. They indirectly guide us. The eye is more direct, I don't think it's seer.
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The eye is also combatting the Great Destroyer by telling us to go do things to help strengthen our numbers.
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Who's an enemy of the destroyers? That's our creator(s). I think this could almost be classified as an ancient weapon, seeing as it seems to know alot about everything the enemy does. Just a thought.
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I agree with Konig (Azazel) on the Eye of the North, it doesn't so much as have a mind of its own as it is a tool. There's something about our characters, perhaps Ascension or Weh No Su, that allows us to activate it and then it's just a matter of learning how to use it. Towards the end of Eye of the North, we finally get the hang of it by focusing in on what we're after, then it's just a matter of locating it and traveling there.
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gmr, I use the eye with lvl 10 in ascended chars to get to gunnars hold for Kilroy grinding. Ascension has nothing to do with it.
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Ascension and Weh No Su are out of the question. An Elonian who has done nether is able to commune with the Scrying Pool. It could simply react to those who are "neutral". By neutral i mean those who have no actual intentions for the device. Gwen is incredibly unstable and would use it against the Charr, Langmar would no doubt use it the same way. The hero simply activates it with no intentions (until he/she finds out more about the Destroyers).
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I personally stick with our characters taking the place of Devona and co, which would mean Chosen, Ascension, Weh No Su, blessed by the gods, and killing a god is in fact relevant all around.
Free Runner
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A mighty weapon (without a mind of it's own) to view enemies, I can agree with. But that would be just the Scrying Pool, not the whole building.
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Konig Des Todes
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When you look at it, the rest of the building doesnt seem to have any function other than being a good place to hold up in. If you wanted to use a weapon that could see into the enemies land you would want a base to use it in. It also protects the Scrying Pool.
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I think its been shown time and time again that Devonas group does not fully take the place of the hero. There are too many gaps and references ingame to the hero existing to say that. Infact Eye of the North (the game not the building) strengthens that.
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draxynnic
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I doubt the building has a mind of it's own. As for the "call" I think it is more of a game mechanic to prevent people from going "ok, I did that, now what?" and get lost in what to do.
As for the "pushing us forward" part, it only, and slowly, directs us to the Great Destroyer. At first it's indirect (just showing one destroyer, then multiple, then the great, then finally basically slapping vekk in the face with the statue). And then there is the fact that the Destroyers is what our character was thinking of, where they are. And the more uses of the Scrying Pool, the more obvious the hint. I think that if the Scrying Pool was found during Prophecies, that it would have pointed us at Kryta/Shining Blade/Mursaat *depending on which part of the story* instead of the Great Destroyer. In other words, to me the Eye of the North is the housing pool of an ancient "television" set that is tuned in to show what we want to see. |
Dryndalyn
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I have to agree with azrael on the seers.
Btw does ANYONE think the mursaat and seers are aliens? I mean the seers look like stereotypical Martians. And the gods have been said to have created other worlds. Not to mention that spectral sometimes refers to the stars. |
Maybe the Seers built the Eye, but then again, it's probably a group we haven't met yet. I guess it's one of the big mysteries that will get answered in GWs2.
Mister_Smiley
Since Utopia never made it, i was going to say the Chronomancer, but they could always add them in.
I could be the Seer since we really don't have much on them.
I don't think the Mursaat built it because it not their design.
Then there are the gods, it could have been build by one of them, or all of them.
Also could be build by someone we haven't meet. Well find out eather in GW2 or mabey even the Books.
I could be the Seer since we really don't have much on them.
I don't think the Mursaat built it because it not their design.
Then there are the gods, it could have been build by one of them, or all of them.
Also could be build by someone we haven't meet. Well find out eather in GW2 or mabey even the Books.
fires element
i don't think it was the gods, after all what need would they have for such a device. the scrying pool is essentially a device that allows you to see events that are happening in other parts of the world. i do agree that the eye of the north is/was a fortress of some race. that being said it could potentially have been some kind of headquarters. with the scrying pool there the commanders of the army could see what was happening and send troops to where they were needed most and possibly see their enemies plans in the making to stop them before they even did anything. but with saying that i also don't think it was the mursaat or the seers. cause with the pool at their disposal they would have a distinct advantage over the other and probably would have won their "war" swiftly. so i think the builders of the eye of the north could possibly have been those that built the legendary weapons. those that built the weapons like the cauldron of cataclysm, scepter of orr, and the others. i'm not sure if it has been determined who actually built those weapons but it seems likely to me that if a race could create weapons like those then why would they not be able to build a grand fortress that protects a magical pool of water for spying on their enemies. this all just speculation on my part but it seems logical to me
Konig Des Todes
@ the war between the Seers and the Unseen Ones
The Mursaat had the ability to cloak themselves, and had spectral agony - normally they would probably have won easily. But if the Seers did in fact use the Scrying pool, they would have tactical advantage while lacking power. Therefore putting them in a deadlock.
At least, that seems logical. The Seers - who still pretty much lost the war - are at a natural downside.
Besides, Seers seeing is rather... obvious reference.
As for the weapons - creators unknown.
The Mursaat had the ability to cloak themselves, and had spectral agony - normally they would probably have won easily. But if the Seers did in fact use the Scrying pool, they would have tactical advantage while lacking power. Therefore putting them in a deadlock.
At least, that seems logical. The Seers - who still pretty much lost the war - are at a natural downside.
Besides, Seers seeing is rather... obvious reference.
As for the weapons - creators unknown.
Ez now
It would probably have to be either the seers, as we know little about them, and they are situated within the shiverpeak area, or..
The supposed 'Air Dragon http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Air_Dragon could've built it, as it is situated extremely near to it's location, we know little about the dragon, but imo it seems to have some sort of 'Aura' leading me to believe it could be more than just a statue
But, of course, that could all be a load of rubbish and some slave race built it ^^
The supposed 'Air Dragon http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Air_Dragon could've built it, as it is situated extremely near to it's location, we know little about the dragon, but imo it seems to have some sort of 'Aura' leading me to believe it could be more than just a statue
But, of course, that could all be a load of rubbish and some slave race built it ^^
Konig Des Todes
I don't think dragons - any of them, Ancient or not - would even bother to create a tower. What use for it? Same argument for the Cauldron of Cataclysm.
And that "Air Dragon" I still say is a general of Drakkar.
And that "Air Dragon" I still say is a general of Drakkar.
fires element
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@ the war between the Seers and the Unseen Ones
The Mursaat had the ability to cloak themselves, and had spectral agony - normally they would probably have won easily. But if the Seers did in fact use the Scrying pool, they would have tactical advantage while lacking power. Therefore putting them in a deadlock. At least, that seems logical. The Seers - who still pretty much lost the war - are at a natural downside. Besides, Seers seeing is rather... obvious reference. As for the weapons - creators unknown. |
i don't think spectral agony would have been that effective against the seers since they are the ones that infuse our armor for protection against the mursaat. and since spectral agony is pretty much the only skill of the mursaat that is affected by infusion i think the seers knew how to deal with it and make it a non-issue. and i do realize that the creators of the ancient/legendary weapons are unknown that is precisely my point. the builders of those weapons could have also built the eye of the north.
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Free Runner
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i don't think spectral agony would have been that effective against the seers since they are the ones that infuse our armor for protection against the mursaat. and since spectral agony is pretty much the only skill of the mursaat that is affected by infusion i think the seers knew how to deal with it and make it a non-issue. and i do realize that the creators of the ancient/legendary weapons are unknown that is precisely my point. the builders of those weapons could have also built the eye of the north.
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draxynnic
Personally, I've always had the impression that the Seers developed the technique of Infusion fairly late in the war. It's never actually said (to my knowledge), but it just seems to have an aura of 'discovered too late' about it.
Which could mean that the Eye was a Seer fortress that allowed the Seers to hold their own despite other advantages of the Mursaat... until the Mursaat overran the fortress and found some way to lock it so that the Seers couldn't use it...
...but so that a Chosen could unlock it.
Which could mean that the Eye was a Seer fortress that allowed the Seers to hold their own despite other advantages of the Mursaat... until the Mursaat overran the fortress and found some way to lock it so that the Seers couldn't use it...
...but so that a Chosen could unlock it.
Obrien Xp
The eye was made by the Seers I have no other logical option.
Nobody really knows a thing about the Seers other than our chars, and all they know is that they hate the Mursaat.
Mursaat build things out of purple/orange "Jade"
Forgotten build mounds in the ground (look at this guy if you bother to go to him there is imho Forgotten Architecture.
Charr build things that look like Helmets or war machines.
Vekk said Asura didn't build it.
Could have been a concept from Utopia.
Nobody really knows a thing about the Seers other than our chars, and all they know is that they hate the Mursaat.
Mursaat build things out of purple/orange "Jade"
Forgotten build mounds in the ground (look at this guy if you bother to go to him there is imho Forgotten Architecture.
Charr build things that look like Helmets or war machines.
Vekk said Asura didn't build it.
Could have been a concept from Utopia.
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Personally, I've always had the impression that the Seers developed the technique of Infusion fairly late in the war. It's never actually said (to my knowledge), but it just seems to have an aura of 'discovered too late' about it.
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chaoslava
would make sense if it was the seer, seer is the norm for predicting future/ having visions, and with a scrying pool in the eye. The seer could have seen the hero years ago, hence why it is waiting for your character. The actual building itself could have been a base for them to battle the mursaat
Nodakim
I say it was built by the Ancient Dragons.
Basicly because it is tall and large like them and because both will be a large part of Guild Wars 2.
Basicly because it is tall and large like them and because both will be a large part of Guild Wars 2.
Konig Des Todes
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I say it was built by the Ancient Dragons.
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It was the Ancient Dragons because both are big and deal with GW2.
Abaddon was big, by that argument, the god could have created it.
Here, tell me why the Ancient Dragons would build something, while large, that is smaller than them when it's a building?
Hildor
I'm just reading the Guild Wars 2 wiki and in the Eye of the North article I found something rather interesting.
For what reason could the Centaurs be drawn to it?
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The Eye of the North is a huge tower of unknown architecture in a remote area of the Far Shiverpeaks. It has a large base in which there is a large amount of space, topped with a breathtaking hollow spire, the uppermost bit of which appears to be broken off. One of its rooms is the Hall of Monuments, which is filled with commemorations of the deeds of a long-dead hero. Although most races of Tyria instinctively avoid it (save for the Centaurs, who are strangely drawn to it), the Ebon Vanguard once made the Eye as their base of operations when striking out at the Charr Homelands. Since then, the minions of the dragon of ice (known to fans as "Drakkar") have driven out most of the creatures in that region of the Shiverpeaks, the Vanguard with them. The Eye of the North stands alone: isolated, abandoned, forgotten. But most of all, it stands ready. |
Link to the article
Konig Des Todes
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I'd say it's more of their dislike towards humans than being drawn to the building. >_>
Not to mention last Wintersday proves that Norn don't avoid it, they just don't like the humans there.
Edit: Fixed the article.
Hildor
Ah that clears up things. What idiot would add such info to the article just because of that quest. It's not even discussed on the talk page.
"strangely drawn to it, nice way to make rumours...
"strangely drawn to it, nice way to make rumours...
Konig Des Todes
It was someone who has a decent amount of lore knowledge actually. S/He probably just misunderstood the quest or something.
Hildor
Hm yes, it might be a little short sighted to start calling people idiots immedeately. I read the descriptions of the quests you get in the Eye and it seems that the Centaurs are a regular problem for the Ebon Vanguard there.
From the quest Service: Practice, Dummy
And from the quest Service: In Defense of the Eye (where the Centaurs attack the Eye)
It seems to me that the Centaurs are just practicing their regular hate against humans and attacking the Eye because of the Ebon Vanguard staying there.
From the quest Service: Practice, Dummy
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It seems to me that the Centaurs are just practicing their regular hate against humans and attacking the Eye because of the Ebon Vanguard staying there.
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Not to mention last Wintersday proves that Norn don't avoid it, they just don't like the humans there.
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'Course, the place is still full of humans...
Konig Des Todes
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Actually, I was thinking it was probably the opposite effect. I'm pretty sure that there is a mention either in the manual or in the early storyline for Eye of the North that the Norn has superstitions that lead them to avoid the Eye. It's possible, however, that after the Ebon Vanguard had been in residence and nothing bad seemed to be happening to them for doing so that the Norn have started 'getting over it'.
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After searching though I found this from Jora:
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I'll say most Norn avoid it due to folklore, but the Norn aren't afraid of it and won't not go in if they want to. Afterall, besides Norn going in for the party, we also see Knorr Oaken go in to bul-*ahem* challenge humans.
Free Runner
Chances are the Norn avoided it as a overall "Okay lets not go there" kinda "rule" . But that doesnt mean they didnt occasionally go by it while hunting.
And the way Jora says it "We always avoided it" implies that they avoided it up until they found out the Humans had taken up residence there. Seeing a race the Norn believe to be weaker than them begin living in a place they had feared to disturb probably caused the Norn to forget about avoiding it (leading to situations like "Mano a Norn-o")
And the way Jora says it "We always avoided it" implies that they avoided it up until they found out the Humans had taken up residence there. Seeing a race the Norn believe to be weaker than them begin living in a place they had feared to disturb probably caused the Norn to forget about avoiding it (leading to situations like "Mano a Norn-o")
draxynnic
I suspect Free Runner is onto something there.
As another consideration - Jora seems to be from further north in Norn territory, while Betsa may be a local. It's possibly one of those places that adults avoid while children dare each other to go into... which Jora didn't get into due to (presumably) having largely spent her childhood at or near her family's homestead in Bjora Marches.
As another consideration - Jora seems to be from further north in Norn territory, while Betsa may be a local. It's possibly one of those places that adults avoid while children dare each other to go into... which Jora didn't get into due to (presumably) having largely spent her childhood at or near her family's homestead in Bjora Marches.
Raudic
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Since Utopia never made it, i was going to say the Chronomancer, but they could always add them in.
I could be the Seer since we really don't have much on them. I don't think the Mursaat built it because it not their design. Then there are the gods, it could have been build by one of them, or all of them. Also could be build by someone we haven't meet. Well find out eather in GW2 or mabey even the Books. |
it does kinda remind me of their armor
i just dont think it the gods. its too simple, even for anet.
im gonna go with seer a race we havent met yet
Neo Atomisk
If you've ever taken a look at the top of the eye, you'll notice that it breaks off near the top. This makes me wonder a few things.
Where's the top?
Does it remind anyone of the chains that are high as the sky in thr FoW and hold up part of the forge?
Why is it cracked?
Where's the top?
Does it remind anyone of the chains that are high as the sky in thr FoW and hold up part of the forge?
Why is it cracked?
Konig Des Todes
Simple Answer: No one knows, and there is no way of knowing at the time.
I'm not gonna bother speculating this one as it doesn't interest me, nor does all the dozens of ideas that exist in the thread already dedicated to the Eye of the North. Coulda just posted this in that thread - it is in the Archives. >_>
I'm not gonna bother speculating this one as it doesn't interest me, nor does all the dozens of ideas that exist in the thread already dedicated to the Eye of the North. Coulda just posted this in that thread - it is in the Archives. >_>
Pursh
Well, the Eye of the North is full of mysteries, we'll never really know why the pillar is cracked. We dont even know who built it, its just a whole mystery.