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Gore

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

21 Jan 2008 at 02:39 - 1

So here is the story. Pls Mods read all and let me know if anything here need to be changed according to Guru policies as this is not a random rant about HoM but a serious mather. It is mainly to help the community on not spending 200k + on items that wont be able to be added to HoM, Thnx.

To make it short I have tried to get infos on this but it seem that a very few of us have filled the Hom with everything in there.

So last night I bought 100 Onyx, diamonds and everything I needed for the 10 weapons missing since I already had a Fire Staff there : Note I am an Ele.

So I get some ELE stuff + tactic shield, warr items as well to make it a bit different. The items I have now a problem with and I don't think it's a bug just a major failure : You can't add more then 1 Ele staff on your HOM....WTH ???

Why is that so badly coded that Devs want an Ele to buy Hammers, Bows or even another Profession Staff.

It's gets even worst...I have a fire staff.....can't even seem to fit there a Fire Focus ???? Wow.

Why is this as bad pls. I am sure there is a thing I must know about this and since a Full 11 Weapons set is more then 500k....fews have been there being surprised about this frustrating detail.

So am I the only one who bought 5-6 Destroyers Weapons who are now totally useless, who are so unwanted by community even at half the price it cost ?

Plz no QQing and no bad words just the usual constructive criticism and Pls sign this if you agree on the fast that a profession should be able to buy 4-5 staff like for an Ele a complete set Fire, water, EStorage, Earth and Air and to be able to put it there.

Don't think it was meant to be that way and I am not asking for tormented Weapons to be added or any silly things...just a normal way of adding the weapons according to your profession. Gaile, if you read this Pls let us know if Dev know about this and are willing to make a change eventually before GW2.

Thanks all and be good

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

21 Jan 2008 at 03:08 - 2

Well it only makes sense that you can only add one of the same weapon...

Gore

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

21 Jan 2008 at 03:14 - 3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curse You

Well it only makes sense that you can only add one of the same weapon...

I mean it's ok not to add 2 fire staff that make sens. Maybee even that adding a full set of Ele based staff is not ok as this is prestige display but what about the fire focus ? What are your though on that one ?

I think this still need a little improvement but I might be wrong. What the comunity think is what I am wondering but mostly am I the only one who bought some items and was surprised that you cant add em at all ?

Thank you for the answers with actual opinions,

Peace N Gore

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

21 Jan 2008 at 03:25 - 4

Well, for one thing, it's really hard to read your post. Try spell checking or something.

Another thing, if you want this to be taken as a suggestion (as the name would suggest), this is the wrong forum. Those go in Sardelac Sanitarium.

Lord Darksoul

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

R/

21 Jan 2008 at 03:32 - 5

I agree ANet completely ruined the HoM idea. It was hyped as something that would have been cool if they made it as they let on as how it would work, but they ruined it by halfassing it.

Starsky-sama

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Land of the Z Chest \o/

[NOT]-Nomads of Turmoil.

W/

21 Jan 2008 at 03:33 - 6

It was clear there were 11 slots +/= 11 wep types...there were alot of restrictions placed on the HoM(not just weps). but,

alot of ppl just used common sense when their goal was to fill that part of the hom. 1 of each.

and it's pretty old how it's done/filled, cant believe this is the 1st time someone's reported something like this.

/meh.

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

21 Jan 2008 at 03:47 - 7

This was pointed out when it first appeared - why should a single character need to obtain and customize 11 different weapons, mostof which they cannot even use.

It's just the inconvenient design of HoM.

Gore

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

21 Jan 2008 at 04:06 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curse You

Well, for one thing, it's really hard to read your post. Try spell checking or something.

Another thing, if you want this to be taken as a suggestion (as the name would suggest), this is the wrong forum. Those go in Sardelac Sanitarium.

Thanks for the tip. Though I found 4 typo which where only double Ls or things like that the post seem clear for most. I am french so pls bare with me ^^

Gore

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

21 Jan 2008 at 04:09 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starsky-sama

It was clear there were 11 slots +/= 11 wep types...there were alot of restrictions placed on the HoM(not just weps). but,

alot of ppl just used common sense when their goal was to fill that part of the hom. 1 of each.

and it's pretty old how it's done/filled, cant believe this is the 1st time someone's reported something like this.

/meh.

As far as I know there is nothing on wiki or anywhere else with a warning on not to buy a fire staff and a fire focus which are totaly different items IMO.

Maybee I haven't check close enongh.

Still it is pretty vague and unclear that you must have 1 of every type since offhands and staffs are different items. It's kind of bordeline when it come at buying those only for the full monument.

Crom The Pale

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

Ageis Ascending

W/

21 Jan 2008 at 04:24 - 10

As I read the various other posts on the HoM since its inception I thought you were only permitted the following:

1. Sword
2. Axe
3. Hammer
4. Shield
5. Bow
6. Staff
7. Wand
8. Off hand
9. Spear
10. Scythe
11. Daggers

Now I am uncertian why you cant add a fire focus if you havent added any other focus, but if you already have one focus then a second would not be permited.

xiaotsu

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Doomlore Shrine

Just Us Gamers [JUGs]

R/

21 Jan 2008 at 04:28 - 11

Regardless of how it should or shouldn't be, I think as long as they're different weapons, as in not 2 fire staves, you should be able to add them, even if one is a fire staff and the other is a water staff. It does seem pretty useless for me to customize a fire staff on a ranger, or vice versa.

Starsky-sama

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Land of the Z Chest \o/

[NOT]-Nomads of Turmoil.

W/

21 Jan 2008 at 04:30 - 12

k your above post seems to be more cleared up than your original now... I think.

You're saying that a fire staff + a fire focus cant be placed in the hom at the same time...or are you saying that you cant place a fire staff + an earth staff in the same hom...

what ppl have explained so far is that you cant put 2 of the same wep type (staff,sword,bow,etc). staff+staff=not possible.

When I did my HoM I did pick 1 of the 11 wep types but picked a different req type for each one. (ie 1 fire, 1 heal, 1 prot)...so if what you're saying is true, the glitch you speak of is that Fire wand + Fire staff = cant be displayed since their both Fire? is that your problem?

plz clear this up + clear your 1st post somehow too. lol

Ruby Lightheart

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Clan of Elders

R/Mo

21 Jan 2008 at 05:19 - 13

eh...Im still ticked bout that the dwarven armor nor any of the greens from othe campains cannot be displayed. I quit bothering with getting anythign more for my HOM cause of it

Gore

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

21 Jan 2008 at 06:45 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starsky-sama

what ppl have explained so far is that you cant put 2 of the same wep type (staff,sword,bow,etc). staff+staff=not possible.

When I did my HoM I did pick 1 of the 11 wep types but picked a different req type for each one. (ie 1 fire, 1 heal, 1 prot)...so if what you're saying is true, the glitch you speak of is that Fire wand + Fire staff = cant be displayed since their both Fire? is that your problem?

plz clear this up + clear your 1st post somehow too. lol

Hmm where you able to put a Heal Staff, Prot Staff and Fire Staff or a Wand, Focus and Staff of the above type ?

UPDATE ON MY PROBLEM

Ok. An update on my problem which is almost fixed now. Just went back to HoM and it's kind of strange now, the focus and wand are now there 0.o

Maybe it was a lag issue or anything like that. The items are now customized at my name but last night they where not customized and impossible to put em on the Display.

I had some weird stuff going on like a disconnection, going back to main screen with a blank 4 slot asking me to make a new char

( I was told this happen sometimes randomly ). Maybe there was a issue with my account or server / place I was in. Can't tell ya how bad I felt with 29 titles maxed and seeing a 4 blank slots main page when I have all games expansions + 6 additional slots.

So the only trouble now is the fact that I will have to accept, until further changes about the HoM, the issue where only 1 staff can be put there.

Monument don't even tell you if the staff is a fire one etc..just a destroyer staff basically.

Hope that will clarify this issue and this post is mainly to avoid players not to make the same mistake and buying the weapons and to be bummed about it.

Weapons I have now on display are :

Sword
Axe
Shield
Spear
Staff
Focus
Wand

Still impossible to put the second focus and 3 different staffs. Note I have only 1 fire staff the rest is Water, Earth, Air.

Hope they make a change on how the display can be updated but I will probably buy 4 new weapons and live with it.

Peace N Gore

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

W/E

21 Jan 2008 at 07:19 - 15

Yah HoM is a load of crap.

It would makes sense if people could actually add weapons I'd much rather display my fellblade or tormented sword instead of some god awfully ugly destroyer sword (WTF is that thing anyway....)

Gore

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

21 Jan 2008 at 08:58 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

Yah HoM is a load of crap.

It would makes sense if people could actually add weapons I'd much rather display my fellblade or tormented sword instead of some god awfully ugly destroyer sword (WTF is that thing anyway....)

Again it's not about this choice but more about the fact that you must buy a Scythe or a pair of Daggers for an Ele for exemple.

I had a weird bug but it seem ok now. Still I am a bit mad at the fact you can't add a full set of weapons from the class you are.

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

21 Jan 2008 at 11:02 - 17

They just should have added a massive monument where we could add all kinds of green items. Some kind of collector monument.

This would exclude Tormented Weapons and stuff, but even this half-assed solution would be better than the totally screwed up 11 Destroyer weapons thing.

None of my favorite and most used gold/green/whatever weapons is displayed in this hall. None! Except maybe the Destroyer Axe I learnt to love.

I just have given up. All HoMs look very much the same, nothing is special or individual.

Just add to it to have some kind of still unrevealed extra in GW2. I bet we will cry if we hear what we get for our efforts.

Saraphim

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Hand of Omega [WHO]

E/

21 Jan 2008 at 12:10 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gore

Again it's not about this choice but more about the fact that you must buy a Scythe or a pair of Daggers for an Ele for exemple.

Completely with you on that one. The Weapons monument is nothing but a gold sink for the seriously rich, when am I ever going to use a hammer when playing my ele? Screw that, frankly. Sure I could buy one and give it to Koss, because I sure as hell can't give it to my warrior once it's been customised by the HoM, but why the hell would I want to pay 100k for a hammer just to give it to him? Plus there's the storage space issue. A minimum of 9 weapons sucking up room that could be used by my other character's stuff.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

21 Jan 2008 at 13:20 - 19

Yah, they should be dedicated, not customized.
Even if you make that 'dedication' allow to store them and use with other characters, but not trade it, it would be ok.
Even then.

And If there are Destroyer and Torment weapons, why aren't there Titan and Shiro'ken ones?

Lykan

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

StP

R/

21 Jan 2008 at 14:26 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antheus

This was pointed out when it first appeared - why should a single character need to obtain and customize 11 different weapons, mostof which they cannot even use.

You don't NEED to do anything.

Starsky-sama

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Land of the Z Chest \o/

[NOT]-Nomads of Turmoil.

W/

21 Jan 2008 at 15:24 - 21

thx Gore. that clear things up now...so no glitch...but yup the restriction on 1 wep type is understandably a bummer to some.

about the "why/how would your own profession need to use another profession's wep". Simple, you give it to your heroes to use...maybe that's what they meant when they wanted all the destroyer weps customized to ones character. /speculation.

(thats what I did/assumed when I first decided to go fill it)

I use 5 of the 11 destroyer weps myself. so no prob it. rest on heroes.

/but just like how they changed the minipets HoM, they could end up doing a revamp any day now..../surprise!!!. you never know...

Sleeper Service

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

CULT

21 Jan 2008 at 15:26 - 22

youre right lykan, you dont even need to post.

On topic, it's been brought up many many times (hom is just bad) at the very least the weapons monument should have been account wide and weapons dedicated.

it doesnt hurt lore wise either, after all a couple of powerful weapons displayed in the monument changes...what?

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

W/

21 Jan 2008 at 15:39 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

Yah HoM is a load of crap.

QFT.

I'm also with the OP. If I had the choice, my warrior would have 4-5 swords there (and none of that destroyer junk).

Saraphim

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Hand of Omega [WHO]

E/

21 Jan 2008 at 15:57 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starsky-sama

about the "why/how would your own profession need to use another profession's wep". Simple, you give it to your heroes to use...maybe that's what they meant when they wanted all the destroyer weps customized to ones character. /speculation.

(thats what I did/assumed when I first decided to go fill it)

I use 5 of the 11 destroyer weps myself. so no prob it. rest on heroes.

Sure, I'm going to blow 900k on weapons for my heroes.

They get bonus items, or hold onto whatever golds I have, hell I wouldn't even play through the BMP missions 10x however many heroes each of my toons have to give them the BMP weapons. I'd be crying with boredom, much like I was this time yesterday in the Desolation.

sterbenx2

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

New England

Lunatic Legion

N/

21 Jan 2008 at 16:04 - 25

While I agree that the Destroyer weapons are horrible looking, I still think people need to understand that Anet had to find a way for us to display things that they were reasonably sure that we put work into getting. If they allowed us to display anything we wanted then Player A would load it up with cheap greens or BMP weapons while Player B loaded it up with things he/she has been collecting forever. Why should Player A get the same reward as Player B while B obviously deserves the better reward?

That being said, I do believe that the HoM should display OUR fave weapons but they should meet the Gold, Max req 9 variable in order to be displayed. Greens, BMP weapons AND Torment weapons shouldn't count at all. The only reason I would count out Torment weapons is because of the duping incident as we all know there are still duped armbraces in the game.

I believe the HoM is NOT trash at all. Maybe not what we were expecting but still its fine and it gives me actual goals to work toward while I play. Unlike before Nightfall when the only goal was to mass wealth and finish the games. Maybe get Obsidian Armor.

Rothaga

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2007

D/W

21 Jan 2008 at 16:47 - 26

Think of it this way, maybe if you dedicate all weapon types, you'll get something for each class in GW2 instead of just 5 different swords.

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

21 Jan 2008 at 16:55 - 27

This is another reason why HoM should be account-based!

Crafting 10 different ugly weapons is not a problem, but having to get them all for ONE character that will only ever use 3 or 4 of them is plain retarded.
It's the same with armors - having to get ALL of them for one character, even ones I really don't like and will never wear.

HoM doesn't need just small fixes, it needs a massive overhaul. In curren't form it's complete and utter trash.

If there was 1 HoM for the whole account a lot of different issues would disappear. All the weapons and armors needed to complete monuments could be spread among different characters that could actually use them. Old characters wouldn't be disadvantaged by not being able to get Legendary Survivor or LDoA. And the need to drop your old favorite pet in order to cap black moa and spider would be gone without inventing a pet stable. The system would be fair for everyone no matter if playing 1 or 10 characters.

Earth

Always Outnumbered

Join Date: Jul 2006

21 Jan 2008 at 17:03 - 28

Hello thread #63902.

Seriously though, you have heroes. And you don't have to put them in there - Nobody's forcing you.

@Yawgmoth: ...No? I don't want my wammo to step in the HoM and see my mesmer's armor, for example. Bad idea.

MudBone

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

Citadel of Immortals

R/Mo

21 Jan 2008 at 19:40 - 29

My ONLY RANT is that I can put my complete NF Primeval Armor in my HoM but not any of the 3 bows I use (2 greens and 1 modded gold), the only weapons you can put in your HoM are the GW:EN Destroyer weapons that are no better than the weapons I use (not to mention that the Destroyer weapons are ugly). I want to put the weapon I ACTUALLY USE in my HoM not what ANET says I can put, I put forth effort in getting the 3 weapons I use to the point of "Customizing" them so I wouldn't/couldn't sell them.

Frozy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

21 Jan 2008 at 21:02 - 30

About Torment weapons,
Yes, the exploits hurt their value, but they're still much more expensive (and IMO, prettier) than the Destroyer weapons.
Much more "high-end" if you ask me, only a few skins are more expensive, at least for now.

If they dont count, what should?

mrmango

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Southern California

Charter Vanguard [CV]

Me/Rt

21 Jan 2008 at 22:25 - 31

The weapons monument is epic fail imo, but OP's problem is fail too.

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

W/

21 Jan 2008 at 22:35 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saraphim

Sure, I'm going to blow 900k on weapons for my heroes.

What if you get squat for your GW2 char if your HoM weapon rack isn't filled?

Shadowlance.

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

The Prophecy Of Life

R/P

22 Jan 2008 at 02:28 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Yah, they should be dedicated, not customized.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

This is another reason why HoM should be account-based!

In total agreement with those two quotes. Since HoM is currently character-based, I'm only spending time on one of my characters' hall even though I'd love to customize it for all my characters. I don't want to buy unnecessary melee weapons for my Ritualist just to give them to my heroes; I'd rather give them to my warrior character! Make them dedicated like the minipets, or else make the hall account-based.

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

22 Jan 2008 at 06:50 - 34

So far I've not have any interest in HoM , just needed to go there, when "the eye is calling". from seeing the many complaints that have been voiced here. I am glad I did not yet display anything in HoM.

I have to mention this part because this is what the final result of HoM, you get to carry over your GW 1 legacy to GW2 because GW1 isn't the ultimate Guild Wars, GW 2 will be, hopefully, so, instead of everyone having the same stuffs, as of now, it is determind by the developers as to waht can be carried over/display in HoM, and consequent "carried over" to GW2, i think more choices would be better.

now my ideas:

1) a player may display anything they like in hall of monument. after all taste is very different from one person to another.

however placing stuffs in hall of monument will have different results to your GW 2 descendents.

Don't be lazy now, Arena Net, please make more choices. If I choose to display Collector's or Dock MAX armor, I can give that to my GW2 descendent. because, it is that MAX armor my character wore and fought and wearing that Dock armor my character have been loyal to GW as much as other player who choose to wear other armor.

to be fair to those who SPEND A LOT OF GOLD on VANITY stuff instead of practicality. i suggest

To differentiate the different type of legacy players carried forward to GW2 simply give them different "title" (in inverted commas because it might not be a title in GW2, Arena net has to come up with that)

and off course, you can go back to change your HoM display at a later stage, once you found, you dislike what your descendent get is not what you want, go back to GW1, acquire what you wanted and display it there.

2) as for rangers pets companions and mini pets and heros, i think players should be able to display all pets, mini pets and heros as they so wish. favouritism sucks :P~

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

22 Jan 2008 at 06:57 - 35

They're called your heroes. Not like those weapons will go to waste. Besides, this could open up other opportunities; I know it got me (as a ranger) into using other secondaries for builds. Shadowlance, as a rit, could use this as an incentive to make the Spirit's Strength sword rit build that's bandied around on forums occasionally.

It's not like this is a hidden aspect of the HoM; it's been posted and talked about for months now. A single glance at the wiki should have told you that you couldn't put multiple staffs in there.

For people who haven't gotten it yet: they're not letting you put your particular weapons in the HoM, because they'd sooner only allow 11 skins and only have to make 11 trophy models (and put the code in to accept 11 different weapons) than the hundreds of skins there are currently in GW. I hope they eventually add "elite" skins to it, but then it becomes a question of what constitutes "elite", and then people get all pissy cause they can't add their own weapons to it but other people can...this way, while being slightly annoying, at least keeps things fair; one weapon skin per type, no one can object that their skin was left out while someone else is getting rewarded.

Hyper Cutter

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Knights of the White Eye [HINA]

22 Jan 2008 at 07:08 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by MudBone

I want to put the weapon I ACTUALLY USE in my HoM not what ANET says I can put

QFT.

Valor completely and totally sucks ass, and they really need to get rid of that stupid "Animal Companion" monument in favor of one that shows what our pets really are...

gremlin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

GWAR

Me/Mo

22 Jan 2008 at 07:48 - 37

Is there really any pressing reason to add anything to the HOM right now ?

I mean why not wait till GW2 is out before deciding, or even later.
I am thinking that there will be changes made to HOM between now and than so why not wait till the final build before deciding.

Then if we decide the whole thing is a waste of time we saved a load of aggrivation.

pakhavit

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Florida

Thai Alliance

R/Mo

22 Jan 2008 at 12:43 - 38

the rest is for your hero >.> just give to your hero

XzDazedzX

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2008

Gwen Is My [HERO]

D/R

11 Jun 2008 at 19:36 - 39

all i have to say is i better be rich from day 1 on gw2 for everything i've gotten.

11 destroyer weapons (ugly little bastards)
spider, rainbow pheonix, black moa
gwen, vizu, ghostly, koss, rurik
27 legendary titles
8 heroes added with upgraded armor
5 elite armor types added
all hm eotn dungeons clear, uw & fow clear

i'm expecting great things from anet on this for gw2. if not i'm not playing it because they led us on and that would be some hardcore horseshit.

Proff

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2007

11 Jun 2008 at 22:27 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gore

It's gets even worst...I have a fire staff.....can't even seem to fit there a Fire Focus ???? Wow.

I just posted on a 5 month old thread >.> wtf...