Guild Wars, you are still the most skilled "mmo"

Or...

1. Both health and mana potions use the same(2 min) cooldown.
2. You can't use either in arenas in WoW.

Quite likely because WoW makes more money for Blizzard than GW makes for ArenaNet/NC Soft.

I just wanted to point out its possible for Guild Wars character to be level 70. It just won't show it.

I think had ArenaNet made it so you saw your true level even after the attribute cap at 20, traditionalist MMOers wouldn't be complaining about it.

You're equating WoW as the standard. There are other MMOs out there that utilizes the exact same features WoW has. WoW didn't invent persistence worlds and elite armor. Stop assuming GW2 is going to be WoW the sequel.

They are adding persistence world not because WoW is doing it, they are adding it to bring PVP closer to PVE world AND to enhance the interaction with its gaming community. See a Ranger fighting Charr....lend a hand heal him with your Monk. Persistence encourages the growth of the community. This why PVE and PVP are at odds in GW now, because neither wants anything to do with each other.

People again, stop with the WoW comparisons as if it is the only MMO in existence. Its alright to compare but don't assume that GW2 is going to be sequel to WoW.

Why the hell are we praising WoW on a GW forum, I wonder?

GW easily takes the cake for being a more intelligent game. Let's see... I had a Paladin in WoW, and a Monk in GW. WoW healing is just "Red bars go up, spam skills 1 2 and 3 on the tank" and naturally I dropped healing and made my paladin Retribution. With Guild Wars there's much more... You can prevent damage as well as heal damage, Monk smiters are actually becoming somewhat accepted (unlike the WoW kiddies, who have their heads stuck in the "Paladins Are Healers" barrel.) and what I love best is that you don't have to spend anything to reorganize your skills/attribute points in GW.

At least Guild Wars characters have 3-dimentional clothes.

Why is GW2 becomming like WoW?
WoW now has 10 million active subscribers.
If GW2 can peel off even 10% of these players with its payment structure, it would increase its net sales over GW1 by 25%.
Easy math, if you ask me.

Because WoW has pretty well proven that copying all the stuff that works* results in giant piles of money?


*Inasmuch as getting grind monkeys to buy the game

Ok buddy, you've been part of these forums since '05. As have I. I remember checking my WoW hours for about 600 after quite a few months to reach 70. I have over 2000 on Guild Wars.

I do believe the formula for grind = time + achieving a goal. IF you have more hours than 600, you can't talk about grind in WoW as if it was something to look down on, AND if you have less than 600 hours in GW if you've had the game for that long, you're a joke.

In a persistant world with the possibility of hundreds being in the same place at the same time, and a large world, these graphics have a certain style that grow on you after a while and doesn't lag your computer. I don't have the best up to date graphics card atm, nor that great RAM so it's nice to not lag when there's around 60 people in one area unlike in the GW holiday events, it was just tragic. Graphics don't make gameplay stop whining about it. People pay over $100 for Guitar Hero (assuming with guitar) and aside from the characters playing the instruments in the background which you never pay attention to, all you see are 5 dots in a line. It's about gameplay, not graphics, fool.

Oh, and the health potion comment... God have mercy on your clueless soul.
In PvP, it's just a big waste to use those, since they don't really heal much, they're meant to save you in the clutch for PvE for the most part.

EDIT: My 600 hours weren't all for leveling. I spent loads of time PvPing in the other level brackets and quite a bit of AFK time. I'd say for the leveling time spent, about 300-350.

A friend of mine that doesnt go to school here was back last summer, hes an avid WoW player. I showed him guildwars and went into heroes ascent. The pug group won 3 matches in a row, cant remember build but I was on monk. My buddy told me after he had never seen such intense pvp.

....bleh its ok

Well it seems that most are Asian in the 10 mil number. Much different payment structure there, not as great a return on that 5.5 million. WoW is the best recruiter for GW going, and is why GW is still doing so well.

Look here. This is just one of hundreds of like threads on the WoW Official PvP Forums: Good bye to WoW . Notice what almost everyone who's replied to that thread is saying by agreeing with the OP--Grinds suck, and they are finally waking up to reality.

Guess where Guild Wars is getting all their new players?? And where GW2 will find the biggest draw?? WoW is throwing big rocks to get customer attention, but many seem to be looking past the 2000-pound-gorilla to the sexy chick standing on the corner.

Asian is a big number in that 10mil figure because...Asia is huge

You should know more than anyone that the WoW Forums are one of the most concentrated place of naysayers and idiots on the internet. While there are a few moments in there that are actually genuine, you should always enter those places with a grain of salt. Moreover, you referenced a two-page thread: by WoW forum standards that's nothing.

Listening to forums is always risky. This is coming straight from Jeff Strain, too.

You could probably say the same of people in GW going to WoW. Nonetheless, that's a totally risky figure to pull out of thin air.

The WoW forums are where ALL of the people who say "this game sucks" gather. The people who like the game spend their time playing it, the people who don't spend 3/4 of their day complaining about the game they apparently hate so much.

.. thus the resurrection of the Asian Grinder. Most in Asia pay very little for their subscription, but it' still money, whether yen or not.I actually read the post, and those who agreed had very well reasoned arguments, the few who didn't, well, you right: Idiots. This thread exists in many forms on all the various WoW forums, it's a constant and very active theme, just check server forums.
This is supposed to invalidate a majority opinion in that thread?? Like I said, WoW is the best recruiter for GW. For everyone going from GW to WoW, there are likely many more returning. When I play WoW every so often, I'll always chat up WoW players who've never heard of GWs. most are intrigued and want to try the demo.

The days of Evercrack are dieing, Blizzards next MMO will be a Guild Wars clone.

"WoW Sucks", "WoW is Dying", "WoW has terrible PvP" have always been constant themes on the WoW forums since near its release.

I can't really comment all too well on PvP because hey, the PvP in WoW isn't so hot. Then again, it's a PvE game, so I'm not terribly upset. If I wanted PvP I'd play something else, honestly.

I'm not saying that it invalidates opinion. I'm saying that when the (huge) majority of people on the forums are idiots is when you need to start thinking carefully.

The same thing can be said of people going from WoW to GW: There are likely many more returning.

Again, see: Guild Wars 2. Dunno why Blizzard will make a GW clone when ANet are basing of the announced gameplay off of core RPG and MMO mechanics. There's a reason for WoW's success. It's kinda hard to fool 10 million people through a game.

I've been rather impressed with the lack of idiots on the GW forums. WoW definately has a different mix though, your right by half. . . . and who benefits the most if this were the case? WoW being subscription based, and GW being one fee? Not fooled, but hooked, addicted. The line between too much fun and addiction is a very blurred one. The more that play WoW only means the more that will wake up and post threads like Good bye to WoW and find their way {back} here.

WoW has the most because it's the official forums. It's where Blizzard is supposedly supposed to look to first and the most. ANet doesn't have anything like that, so the trolls are forced to spread themselves.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean here.

To assume that so many people are not enjoying WoW is very upsetting. Believe it or not people actually do have fun with it, a *lot* of fun. Not everyone manages their time correctly with it, true, but you can be easily hooked if you love the game. That's why WoW is so easy to point at: Not only do people manage their times incorrectly, but their spending money to do so.

Again, it's gonna be the quality and what you like in a game that get's you hooked. There have been numerous people here who've stated about "how addicted they are to Guild Wars." How do you percieve that?

And since we're quoting WoW forums here, I'll try leaving with this.

You believe Guild Wars to be the most skilled mmo

So let me read your reasonings....hmm 1 mmo.?
*reads Wow*
......Rolling out

I have 3 questions for you, ensori:

1) Did you read the thread?
2) Did you graduate 6th grade?
3) Did you bother to even think how a post that (when proper grammar is used) boils down to "So you think GW is a more skilled MMO than 1 MMO, and that MMO is WoW? Oh snap, you lose for reasons that I have psychically beamed to your brain, I win!" makes you look?

1) Indeed,
2) Indeed
3) I like to simplify things, brings me enjoyment.

Do you have anymore questions?

I still don't understand what you were trying to say in your original post, can you clarify?

OP's Title
Guild Wars you are still the most skilled "mmo" (the "mmo" implies gw is not a true Mmo).

Topic starts out how he left GW to Play Wow...story time
He tells how many/all/whatever people in WoW are stupid
What has he used for an example that GW is the most skilled mmo?
World of Warcraft.

.....Rolling Out >.>

Now at the end of the topic he ends with 2 questions
Did we even need a story for these 2 questions?
About how Wow pvp players are inferior to Guild Wars players?
______

Oh and to the OP's question.
Yes people still play the game pvp wise, if you count RA and AB as pvp.

I knew Arena Net was up to something, insidious Spreading of Trolls, That's what we get instead of You can invest untold hours in to GW and develop your character and it will always be your character. In WoW you have to pay to keep your investment, even if you only want to play a few times a month--you will have to pay to keep your time invested.

Blizzard's Next MMO will be a Guild Wars Clone. As I stated earlier the line between too much fun and addiction is very blurred. It can be very upsetting to the unsuspecting. You call it fun, but for many, I call it boarder-line or full-blown addiction. Agreed, and that is why WoW's Evercrack formula does what it does--sucking away lives with stimulus addiction much like a gambling addiction, all in the name of FUN. Too much FUN. WoW is the Grand Master of Quality Grind and has cornered the market here. There have been a few, yes, but if they choose the can try and quit without penalty. In WoW if you choose to quit you loose all access to that invested time, you loose your place in the Great Grinding Gear Race, you loose you usefulness as a pier of equal Stat Standing, all your time invested is completely negated. Were the game played for fun and stats meant very little? . . . Those finding Stats the primary draw of WoW are addicts in truth, and pehaps suffering blind denial as well.You see, there really are not thousands of threads like this in GW: Good bye to WoW

Nor are there documented family freak-outs like this (yet) in GW:

WoW's effect on Family Life.
and
Freakout, Keyboard Murder

You make GW2 like WoW and you'll have a lot of people with WoW-like symptoms and Boob Tube Vids like above.

Sure GW has the occasional posts stating that "I'm addicted and my grades are suffering" yada, yada. But GW was not designed to addict its player, WoW was.

Oh Gawd, now I saw everything. Makes me appreciate my life more :P

So...I don't have to pay a subscription fee or have to continue playing to enjoy GW. True. I also don't have to do any of that for every single game on my computer shelf, or for my XBox or Playstation. All that you've stated above can be said of every offline or singleplayer RPG. I don't see why GW is so different.

Since I feel like GW is more akin to Diablo than any MMO, I'm going to safely assume that Blizzard will make a Diablo clone, and that they'll call it Diablo 3.

Let's just hope it's released a long time after. Having to compete with a new Diablo would be terrible for ANet.

In GW? Well no because it doesn't have it's own forum. In GWG? All I know is that the HA forum has been pretty pissed off for a looong time now. And ask any old-time PvPer who will say that the PvP is no where as good as it was a long time ago (losing your most devoted and old players isn't a good thing).

But that's not why I posted that link:

No I'm not, actually. No where in any of my posts did I imply that GW2 will keep people "addicted" or have the same grinding mechanisms as WoW. I brought that "Why Do You Play WoW?" thread in to show not everyone on those forums are pissing and moaning (suprisingly). How did you conclude that I was relating it to GW???

Since we're linking Youtube as well, I'll link this. Clearly something must be done about this : I.

Not at the beginning, no. But thanks due to titles, we're seeing a lot more people doing things like this thread shows.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wretchman Drake <stuff about low-end semi-competitive WoW play>

Everything in that post really gives me the feeling that the people you play with are bad at WoW PvP, sorry. The fact that the people you play with don't understand how to win matches effectively doesn't mean GW is better (though this statement should not be taken as to mean WoW is better, either). Right now, both games are in a state of "dear god somebody spoon out my eyes". GW because of a stagnant meta and irrational balancing (sorry Izzy, but I really have no clue what you have been smoking lately), and WoW because Warlocks and Beast Mastery are still broken.

Then again, WoW is primarily a PvE game that is starting to really turn into what can be a great PvP experience for some (get a good guild to get the good gear, QQ moar, etc), whereas GW was a primarily competitive (hesitant to say PvP) game that is now becoming a PvE title grindfest while we wait for the WoWclone that ArenaNet has decided to produce instead.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dan-the-noob Whilst waiting on another health potion, you could probably hit the mana potion and watch that bar fly up

Potions are on a two minute global cooldown, so no, you can't. Besides, Potions aren't that great in PvP anyway.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Balan Makki you will have to pay to keep your time invested.

Not entirely true, as you can cancel and renew your subscription at any time without losing your characters. However, the subscription model does make it a bit more troublesome to pick-up-and-go, which is one of the things about GW that everyone seems to like so much.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Balan Makki Blizzard's Next MMO will be a Guild Wars Clone.

My sources says you are incorrect in that assumption.

Take a closer look at what you just said.

Won't happen, especially with the Evercrack bunch in charge at Blizzard. And the fact that anyone who was worth anything in the development of Diablo are now gainfully employed at Arena Net and Flagship Studios.

Blizzard's Next MMO will be a GW clone.

Wasn't this thread about GW still requiring Skill, where WoW requires Grind to succeed?

Not intentional, Blizzards Evercrack formula is--from day one. Tragic. But You do not have to do any of this to enjoy the game, you can still play with anyone you choose, not so in WoW, you can still take time off, months at a time, and remain competitive in PvP and PvE, you can play occasionally without a monthly ransom fee. I can spend the next two years working for some titles, without a single grind involved, simply because I choose to spread out my play time. The primary thrust of this thread, the OPs point of view, simply boils down to WoW being nothing more than Sugar Coated Evercrack. In WoW it's Grind for the Win!!

Even though many people complain about a "low level cap" it allows players to compete in PvP fairly and equally.

If that's true, then I guess there won't be a Starcraft 2.

...wait.

True, but then it got derailed. What else would you expect from a WoW vs. GW thread?

The links you posted made it out to seem that WoW is causing major damage. I posted the Soccer Riots link to show that things like this have been going on for awhile and, some might say, in a much more damaging effect (I'd rather get yelled at by my kid than see him try to fight the riot squad.)

An oldie :

Guild Wars vs WOW

Seems fairly clear that titles were simply added for the masochistic players who were thinking they needed more grind in their lives and might've been thinking of converting to WoW . Seriously tho the way they're implemented supports Balan's argument rather than refutes it. Like elite armor, titles are endgame content for hard- and firm-core players and have, quite specifically, little to no impact on your ability to access the game's content. If anything, titles are a great example of GW's clear decision to value skill and player engagement over time and player persistence.

That's a little less so due to Ursan Blessing and the like. I agree with you save for that annoying circumstance.