Game Update: 1/23/08

ensoriki

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

I hate this class neglect shit.

Theres Other Classes Besides Monks and warriors A-net.
You should know you made them >.>!

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by ensoriki
I hate this class neglect shit.

Theres Other Classes Besides Monks and warriors A-net.
You should know you made them >.>!
Which is why every class got skill updates in the last update. This change was ANet adjusting a few skills that were changed the last update (except for fear me, which should have been in the initial balance).

Sniper22

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by angmar_nite
Fear me nerf might make UW runs a little easier...
Not really, now they just save all their adrenaline for skull crack XD

ensoriki

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkantos
Which is why every class got skill updates in the last update. This change was ANet adjusting a few skills that were changed the last update (except for fear me, which should have been in the initial balance).

Theres not enough here! Or even Back then

Im still Thirsty for this stuff.

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

IWAY is dead.

GG

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

I'm VERY happy!
"Fear Me!" nerf, AoS nerf...what more can you ask for?

Mouse at Large

Mouse at Large

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Scotland

Fuzzy Physics Institute

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by makosi
I know, I'd probably cry if it was nerfed but it seems too strong at regenerating energy and maintaining high energy levels. Compare it with [skill]mantra of recall[/skill] which gives a return of 12 energy every 20 seconds at 12 Inspiration Magic.

Mind Blast combined with Fire Attunement grants (-5)+7+2=4 energy every 2 seconds which is up to 40 energy in a 20 second time-span at 12 Fire Magic. It also has some damage added on to it for good measure.

If my numbers were correct, then that's why I feel Mind Blast is so strong. Even if my numbers are wrong, I do know for sure that I can spam Rodgort's Invocation on recharge.
You forget it's conditional on having more energy than the target. Eles spells tend to have fairly high costs, so it takes a bit of skill to use MB to its full effect. Also, to be more effective, it tends to require you run a high energy set which affects your base recharge rate (set swapping excepted).

MB is fine - leave it as it is

Crom The Pale

Crom The Pale

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

Ageis Ascending

W/

Once more the skills affected have little use in PvE, so I am happy

Maybe Anet has finally stopped messing with PvE, one can only hope!

MrSlayer

MrSlayer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

United Kingdom

Quit Whining And [PLAY]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by ensoriki
I hate this class neglect shit.

Theres Other Classes Besides Monks and warriors A-net.
You should know you made them >.>!
They know perfectly well that other classes exist. Sadly, they've already nerfed them beyond all recognition and most good use.

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

Yeah... because we all know the paragon is "th3 suxz" right?
I mean, a ranged DPS of a warrior with unstribable buffs that gets more powerful as more of them are in a group isn't useful.
/sarcasm off


Good update overall.

Dfx Gladiator

Dfx Gladiator

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Portugal - Porto

W/

Wow! About time they nerf "Fear Me"!

I'm sure that HA will become much more active and balanced with the death/weakening of iway teams.

RhanoctJocosa

RhanoctJocosa

Legendary Korean

Join Date: Aug 2006

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

W/

Thank god for the Fear Me! nerf.

AoS needs 1s cast or a much longer recharge/shortened duration, I wouldn't mind seeing this get hit really hard.

SBS: meh, double blind reduction runes already do a good enough job at countering blind bots.

PA: lol

VoD: Izzy has no idea, poor guy.

Moloch Vein

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkantos
Which is why every class got skill updates in the last update.
Eh... you mean like the buff to Signet of Agony, right... :S

ensoriki

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

Quote:
Originally Posted by tyla salanari
I'm VERY happy!
"Fear Me!" nerf, AoS nerf...what more can you ask for?
Moar Nerfs
Moar Buffs


Quote:
Maybe Anet has finally stopped messing with PvE, one can only hope!
Next Update: Searing Flames and Savannah's Heat now Fail 60% of the time with less than 16 fire mastery

Chicken Ftw

Chicken Ftw

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dfx Gladiator
I'm sure that HA will become much more active and balanced with the death/weakening of iway teams.
If by "more balanced" you mean the iway scrubs turning into sway scrubs, then yes, I believe so too.

Skyy High

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Moloch Vein
Eh... you mean like the buff to Signet of Agony, right... :S
Sins, Mesmers, Monks, Paragons, Rangers, Rits, and Wars all got significant (in one way or another) buffs last update. This really seems like a silly time to start whining about classes getting ignored.

Div

Div

I like yumy food!

Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aera
i herd multiple threads on the same thing iz guud:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?p=3576746
It is. That way I won't have to click on the "delete post" button a million times. This is the general community's view on the update. The other thread is for people with PvP experience.

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Moloch Vein
Eh... you mean like the buff to Signet of Agony, right... :S
Never said they were good updates.

Dfx Gladiator

Dfx Gladiator

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Portugal - Porto

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw
If by "more balanced" you mean the iway scrubs turning into sway scrubs, then yes, I believe so too.
Well anyways I believe sway requires a little more skill to play than iway, althought not much. I'm already happy with that.

ensoriki

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyy High
Sins, Mesmers, Monks, Paragons, Rangers, Rits, and Wars all got significant (in one way or another) buffs last update. This really seems like a silly time to start whining about classes getting ignored.
Weak Skill buff means
Classes ignored.

Because he's to busy with that game he plays in his free time (fine)
and GW2 (...half-fine)

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by ensoriki
Weak Skill buff means
Classes ignored.

Because he's to busy with that game he plays in his free time (fine)
and GW2 (...half-fine)
Or maybe it means Izzy didn't see anything wrong with the other classes so he didn't touch them? That's hardly being ignored.

Blackhearted

Blackhearted

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2007

Ohio, usa

none

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
Maybe Anet has finally stopped messing with PvE, one can only hope!
What're you complaining about? Even if a normal skill gets nerfed and it effects your wondrous pve adventures your still got quite a few overpowered pve only skills to carry you through the game.

Uber Mass

Uber Mass

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

The Netherlands

retired from gw [agro] still ftw

W/

bye bye iway and prolly hello more sway -.-

ensoriki

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkantos
Or maybe it means Izzy didn't see anything wrong with the other classes so he didn't touch them? That's hardly being ignored.
I can give him a list and so can a couple of Other players.

And you know just for General terms.
lots of shitty skills, sure all don't need to be fixed but >.> I wanna see something new

darkdreamr

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

beyond the yellow brick road

She Left With Half My [GeAr]

Me/

I've never played IWAY, or HA at all for that matter, but I hate the recharge times on adrenaline skills. I think it's a crappy mechanic and it would be better to nerf the actual skill slightly. That's all it takes. Go for the Eyes should have had its adren cost increased (with some corresponding buff) to stop the paragons spamming it for energy. Same thing with Fear Me, or reduce the energy drain. Or make it single target. It's such a weak energy drain even as it is, that it takes 4 or 5 warriors to make a noticable difference.

Phoenix Tears

Phoenix Tears

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw
Pious is pretty insane now, especially since it works with any weapon. 1/2s deep wound? Yes pls.
pious is pretty much imbalanced now as it is for a stupid normal skill ...

ensoriki

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

Quote:
Originally Posted by darkdreamr
I've never played IWAY, or HA at all for that matter, but I hate the recharge times on adrenaline skills. I think it's a crappy mechanic and it would be better to nerf the actual skill slightly. That's all it takes. Go for the Eyes should have had its adren cost increased (with some corresponding buff) to stop the paragons spamming it for energy. Same thing with Fear Me, or reduce the energy drain. Or make it single target. It's such a weak energy drain even as it is, that it takes 4 or 5 warriors to make a noticable difference.
The idea of putting recharges on adrenaline skills.

Is to Kill the skill, not let it be usable.

Quote:
pious is pretty much imbalanced now as it is for a stupid normal skill ...
Big Deal, Block Way and Blind Bots Say hello.

Anyways....If we're talking Imba

Bring Back Super Shadow Of Haste

Lawliet Kira

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

E/Me

iway was the only thing i did in HA

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

somewhere over the rainbow....

A/

im telling you all anet's char is a derv =.=
but at long last iway is dead *squishes it with boot*

Darkobra

Darkobra

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot

E/Me

I think I've heard the words "Iway is dead" on two different occasions over the years.

slowerpoke

slowerpoke

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2007

Cuba

wuts sway ;3

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by slowerpoke
wuts sway ;3
Spiritway....

.defekt

.defekt

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ex Talionis [Law], Schindlers Fist [ouch]



hopefully people still run iway, free fame ftw

Winterclaw

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

W/

That build is like a one of those mantis thingies in GWEN and can't be killed off. I'm sure it'll pop up in a newer form soon enough.

politicsxxox

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2007

Me/N

finally , no more seeing "fear me" pop up all over my screen as i get owned by cheap warrior builds

VitisVinifera

VitisVinifera

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Northern California

HoTR

N/Me

fix soul reaping for the love of god..............let's get this ugly episode over with

ensoriki

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

Revert Ranger spirit way
Revert all Paragon nerfs (not the buffs)
Revert Shadow of haste nerf
Revert Signet of Ghostly Might to 10 second KO.
Revert Ether Renewal
Revert Soul Reaping
Revert All Burst of Aggression assassin Nerfs
Revert GoLE
Revert Gale
Revert EoTn
Revert Deadly Paradox
Revert B-surge
Revert hex nerfs

This is intentional hyper bole >.>

Lord Sojar

Lord Sojar

The Fallen One

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oblivion

Irrelevant

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa
VoD: Izzy has no idea, poor guy.
How how how wrong wrong wrong you you you are are are. 3x the charm right? The man is a great skill balancer. He has a lot to juggle, and has to be extremely careful with what he changes. We have seen that if a skill update is large, typically things are horrifically broken, only causing another skill update that activates Bitch-Mode in 3/4 of the guru population because some new build was so "amazing." Please leave the poor guy alone, Izzy is doing a great job as of late. Suck on an egg VoD teams, suck on an egg.

Nightow

Nightow

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

Could someone explain how SBS was over powered? I mean, Spirit's Strength Rit's aren't the rage, are they? >_>

Sha Noran

Sha Noran

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

http://tinyurl.com/2jlusq

Idiot Savants [iQ]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
How how how wrong wrong wrong you you you are are are. 3x the charm right? The man is a great skill balancer. He has a lot to juggle, and has to be extremely careful with what he changes. We have seen that if a skill update is large, typically things are horrifically broken, only causing another skill update that activates Bitch-Mode in 3/4 of the guru population because some new build was so "amazing." Please leave the poor guy alone, Izzy is doing a great job as of late. Suck on an egg VoD teams, suck on an egg.
ROFL ROFL ROFL!!! Three times the charm, I hope that was tongue-in-cheek.

The Pious Assault bit is just forcing a skill into the meta by overpowering it on purpose. They've done it before, it will happen again.

Also, to those who are making IWAY comments regarding "Fear Me!", keep in mind that it was also frequently put to good use in other overpowered builds, i.e. A/W with "Fear Me!" up every two seconds. I'm glad to see it finally nerfed, even though a) it should have been made 6 Adrenaline instead of given a recharge, and b) it was fairly easy to counter.