Earth Magic
StormDragonZ
Maybe it's just me, but I hardly ever see Earth Magic Elementalists at all. Am I just that blind that I don't see any, or is Earth Magic really that much unloved?
zwei2stein
Who needs player earth elementalists when we have Herta?
Pyro maniac
and, the best skill in the earth line, ward against melee, can also be run on mesmers, necros or mind blast ele's
EPO Bot
Geo is so underrated. My Keiko uses it all the time in RA.
Mechz
Earth Magic is pretty common IMO. Not just wards, either.
distilledwill
If you go into something like AB, every second Ele is a terra tank.
tmakinen
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Originally Posted by distilledwill
If you go into something like AB, every second Ele is a terra tank.
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Some pure earth builds are good for solo farming, other than that earth is more inclined towards utility and you'll find earth spells on a utility or dual purpose ele, and like solo farmers, there aren't too many of those in PUGs.
MarxF
I think it has been pointed out thus far; most earth eles are:
-Terra tankers
-Terra variant for solo farming
There is no real reason to run earth magic. The aoe damage is also in fire, even better, and the spike power lies in air magic. Earth magic is nice with it's wards, but in a lot of areas (hm and pvp) you do not want to ball up like that: one aoe skill like savanah heat or meteor storm or ironicaly dragon stomp etc will totally devastate the entire team.
-Terra tankers
-Terra variant for solo farming
There is no real reason to run earth magic. The aoe damage is also in fire, even better, and the spike power lies in air magic. Earth magic is nice with it's wards, but in a lot of areas (hm and pvp) you do not want to ball up like that: one aoe skill like savanah heat or meteor storm or ironicaly dragon stomp etc will totally devastate the entire team.
Wyat Hawke
Well, if you want to use some of the nice wards earth magic has got to offer you, then go for a mind blast hybrid instead... Allows you to dish out some damage as well.
Dr Dimento
You probably dont see them much because they're so busy soloing the game in hard mode.
The best skill in the earth magic line is ward against melee? Thats the funniest thing i've ever heard.
Try obsidian flesh, sliver armor, or stoneflesh aura for "best earth magic skill".
The best skill in the earth magic line is ward against melee? Thats the funniest thing i've ever heard.
Try obsidian flesh, sliver armor, or stoneflesh aura for "best earth magic skill".
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by Dr Dimento
You probably dont see them much because they're so busy soloing the game in hard mode.
The best skill in the earth magic line is ward against melee? Thats the funniest thing i've ever heard. Try obsidian flesh, sliver armor, or stoneflesh aura for "best earth magic skill". |
Defending yourself and your party > defending yourself.
Unless, of course, BSurgers in GvG suddenly started using Sliver Armour without anyone telling me
horseradish
I'd use Earth Magic if it wasn't outclasses by all the other elements.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
No, Ward against Melee is the best Earth Magic skill.
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KalleDamos
I use Air and Water magic before anything else, Earth has potential but most people just go to eother Air(for spike damage) or fire( for Aoe) cause in both cases earth is outclasses, even though it was never ment to be offensive magic.
MarxF
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Originally Posted by tyla salanari
This alone wins the thread, bravo Stormcloud!
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Ward vs. Melee is a very good skill, though very situational. It's a crap skill in any environment where the enemies are capable of:
-AoE nuking you to London and back
-Pull you out of the ball you have formed
This would thus mean it is unsuitable for:
-GvG in general (split > exit)
-RA (team will not stay in wards, plus high chance of savannah heat builds)
-PvE in hard mode in various areas.
Then again; there are no really good other earth skills that the team benefits from. Earth is fun for solo. And that is just that. If you want to provide block, Wand is a poor choise, take /mo and bring aegis.
Pyro maniac
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Originally Posted by MarxF
Sarcasm radar is broken.
Ward vs. Melee is a very good skill, though very situational. It's a crap skill in any environment where the enemies are capable of: -AoE nuking you to London and back -Pull you out of the ball you have formed This would thus mean it is unsuitable for: -GvG in general (split > exit) -RA (team will not stay in wards, plus high chance of savannah heat builds) -PvE in hard mode in various areas. Then again; there are no really good other earth skills that the team benefits from. Earth is fun for solo. And that is just that. If you want to provide block, Wand is a poor choise, take /mo and bring aegis. |
you know damage comes from physicall attackers? thus making Ward against melee good?
and using AoE damage as argument versus a ward is bad: AoE damage overall is kinda bad. If it is used, for example SH, it often comes with a snare to keep you in the area. However a ward is much larger then the AoE spells (which are all nearby).
And people don't use AoEDoT spells ...
CE Devilman
Disrupting Stab vs Eruption ,Magnetic Aura
Riven Earth farming raptors to get my asura rank up
Riven Earth farming raptors to get my asura rank up
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by MarxF
Sarcasm radar is broken.
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This would thus mean it is unsuitable for: -GvG in general (split > exit) -RA (team will not stay in wards, plus high chance of savannah heat builds) -PvE in hard mode in various areas. |
In fact, it was never at any point nerfed because of all the play it was decidedly not seeing at the highest levels of play, M I RITE?
DRGN
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Originally Posted by MarxF
Then again; there are no really good other earth skills that the team benefits from. Earth is fun for solo. And that is just that. If you want to provide block, Wand is a poor choise, take /mo and bring aegis.
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hurdlebeast
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Originally Posted by Dr Dimento
You probably dont see them much because they're so busy soloing the game in hard mode.
The best skill in the earth magic line is ward against melee? Thats the funniest thing i've ever heard. Try obsidian flesh, sliver armor, or stoneflesh aura for "best earth magic skill". |
edit: you can also mess around with a dual attuned, kinetic armor build w/stone daggers. keeps armor wayyy up there at high lvls.
Kendar Muert
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Originally Posted by StormDragonZ
Maybe it's just me, but I hardly ever see Earth Magic Elementalists at all. Am I just that blind that I don't see any, or is Earth Magic really that much unloved?
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The reason it takes a huge amount of skill to earth nuke though, is because of the high exhaustion. You can nuke with earth, and it is highly effective, but in most situations, it isn't worth the cost. That, and nuking is rather overrated- earth or otherwise.
Combine that with the cookie cutter "if you don't do this EXACTLY it's wrong" mentality, and you have very few earth mages at all.
KalleDamos
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Originally Posted by Kendar Muert
Most elementalists don't have the required skill to be an accepted Earth Nuker, so most of what you see are warders or earth tanks. Other than those two, earth is dead for the most part. Still dead useful though- you can tank anything with the right earth bar if you're good enough, and if you are a good earth nuker, your opponent will be on the ground while you pound on him. Earth nuking also only works in NM though- in hard mode its useless.
The reason it takes a huge amount of skill to earth nuke though, is because of the high exhaustion. You can nuke with earth, and it is highly effective, but in most situations, it isn't worth the cost. That, and nuking is rather overrated- earth or otherwise. Combine that with the cookie cutter "if you don't do this EXACTLY it's wrong" mentality, and you have very few earth mages at all. |
Dr Dimento
Earth magic FTW?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhtKUxH3S8U
Fire magic could do this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNeC0PQDXv4
Earth magic again?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_plpBvIL4Vk
I could go on and on, but the good lord blessed me with the ability to talk sh*t faster than i can make videos....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhtKUxH3S8U
Fire magic could do this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNeC0PQDXv4
Earth magic again?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_plpBvIL4Vk
I could go on and on, but the good lord blessed me with the ability to talk sh*t faster than i can make videos....
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by Dr Dimento
Earth magic FTW?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhtKUxH3S8U Fire magic could do this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNeC0PQDXv4 Earth magic again? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_plpBvIL4Vk I could go on and on, but the good lord blessed me with the ability to talk sh*t faster than i can make videos.... |
Niche uses don't make a 'myeh' attribute ftw.
blue.rellik
Why are people even thinking of mentioning of using strictly farming skills? Does that mean Healing Hands is a awesome healing elite because it works with warrior farming?
horseradish
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Originally Posted by Dr Dimento
Earth magic FTW?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhtKUxH3S8U Fire magic could do this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNeC0PQDXv4 Earth magic again? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_plpBvIL4Vk I could go on and on, but the good lord blessed me with the ability to talk sh*t faster than i can make videos.... |
But farming and tanking is pretty much all earth is good for.
Could Earth Magic compete in all forms of PvE and PvP?
I don't think so, and it's a pity really.
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by horseradish
Johnny Cash and Rage Against the Machine FTW!!!!!!!!!!!
But farming and tanking is pretty much all earth is good for. Could Earth Magic compete in all forms of PvE and PvP? I don't think so, and it's a pity really. |
Pyro maniac
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Originally Posted by horseradish
Could Earth Magic compete in all forms of PvE and PvP?
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Earth
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Originally Posted by hurdlebeast
/agree. obi, sliver, and stoneflesh make one hell of a 55 terra tank. obi stops spells, sliver has 50% block +damage per attack, and stoneflesh negates all damage (on a 55'er) without slowdown. gotta love it.
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LightningHell
I struggle to understand how Earth nuking is somehow more skillful than its other counterparts.
Avarre
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Originally Posted by Pyro maniac
Not in PvP (disregarding the terra tanks in AB, but that isn't PvP anyway). Only earth skill you see is ward against melee, often ran on a 8 spec mesmer in GvG.
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Tyla
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Originally Posted by MarxF
Sarcasm radar is broken.
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Ward vs. Melee is a very good skill, though very situational. It's a crap skill in any environment where the enemies are capable of: -AoE nuking you to London and back -Pull you out of the ball you have formed |
The area of a ward is enough, anyway.
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This would thus mean it is unsuitable for: -GvG in general (split > exit) -RA (team will not stay in wards, plus high chance of savannah heat builds) -PvE in hard mode in various areas. |
Ever heard of kiting in the wards?
Also - melee based HM areas?
ALSO - hench don't like moving outa AoE without 24/7 babysitting anyway.
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Aegis is.
Aegis is one f'ing brilliant skill, but wards are too.
Kendar Muert
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Originally Posted by LightningHell
I struggle to understand how Earth nuking is somehow more skillful than its other counterparts.
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Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Kendar Muert
Its only more skillful because it takes more skill to keep your energy bar up than with fire. If you don't have that skill, you won't be able to earth nuke well. The skills effectiveness and results are pretty much the same.
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I'm gud ele rite?
horseradish
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
Yes... yes it can. Earth has a ton of useful anti-melee stuff, like [skill]unsteady ground[/skill], [skill]eruption[/skill], [skill]ward against melee[/skill] and a few other neat skills. If you don't have nightfall, earth is quite easily the strongest element in PvE.
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Kendar Muert
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
Hit earth attunement and glyph of lesser energy on recharge. Rinse, repeat, wipe hands on pants.
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But seriously, the most effective earth skills damage wise that are not elite cause exhaustion, so you need to be able to balance that with the fact that earth skills cost more.
IF an ele decides to earth nuke in a long mission with very few breaks, it would take far more skill to keep a full or semi full energy bar then if they were to run fire.
That's really all I meant. I need to start being a hell of a lot more specific I suppose. I expect everyone to read my mind :P
Mouse at Large
Just a small observation from my POV. I'm a bit of a sucker for the THK mission. I've done it a heap of times both NM and HM. This pm I was asked to go earth warder in HM for a fairly balanced HM group. We wiped, despite doing everything right tactically and camping the king
I'm not saying it's a definite proof, but every other time I've succeeded in THK HM, it's been with a fire build.........
Then again, I might just be a crap earth warder
I'm not saying it's a definite proof, but every other time I've succeeded in THK HM, it's been with a fire build.........
Then again, I might just be a crap earth warder
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Kendar Muert
Well, since you know that, I'd say decent
But seriously, the most effective earth skills damage wise that are not elite cause exhaustion, so you need to be able to balance that with the fact that earth skills cost more. IF an ele decides to earth nuke in a long mission with very few breaks, it would take far more skill to keep a full or semi full energy bar then if they were to run fire. That's really all I meant. I need to start being a hell of a lot more specific I suppose. I expect everyone to read my mind :P |
Kendar Muert
Well, my normal setup is Churning earth, earthquake, Sandstorm, Dragons stomp, and obsidian flame to take out whoever is left standing. Normally everyone is dead :P
That setup takes some doing. But ya, I was referring to obsidian flame and earthquake/ds. Obsidian flame rocks...
That setup takes some doing. But ya, I was referring to obsidian flame and earthquake/ds. Obsidian flame rocks...
Alex the Great
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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
Unless, of course, BSurgers in GvG suddenly started using Sliver Armour without anyone telling me
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