Doesn't really effect gvg much, but does the smaller areas of pvp (RA, TA, Etc.).
Limit 2 Spirits per Character.
Discuss.
Spirit Spam Fix
Kaida the Heartless
I Will Heal You Ally
There's really nothing to discuss.
/notsigned
/notsigned
Legacy Virus
Spirits are fine, they were a problem back when you could have limitless amounts of w/e spirit you wanted on the map....but these days there are perfectly fine, send someone to kill them while the rest of your team does the dirty work and you will be ok.
/not signed.
/not signed.
Biostem
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Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless
Doesn't really effect gvg much, but does the smaller areas of pvp (RA, TA, Etc.).
Limit 2 Spirits per Character. Discuss. |
shru
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Originally Posted by Biostem
Only if everyone else is also limited to 2 of their main skill type; 2 attack skills per ranger/warrior/assassin/etc.
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Dronte
No.
12 characters.
12 characters.
Draikin
I don't see much reason not to implement this. Simply limit the maximum number of active spirits at the same time to 3, in the same way they limit the number of minions.
RotteN
spirits are fine
/notsigned
/notsigned
RavagerOfDreams
/notsigned
ther fine
ther fine
Winterclaw
Is that two total or two of the same kind?
MarlinBackna
Nope. Spirits aren't that strong (hp-wise). Don't fix something that isn't wrong.
bhavv
OMGNESS I charged into 5 spirits and went out of range of my monk and got my butt wiped by teh spirits ZOMG HAX nurf dem plox!
RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing unsigned.
RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing unsigned.
Shadowlance.
/not signed
Spirits are pretty balanced as-is. They are not that hard to kill, and even when you're the Rit spawning power is so anemic it's tough to make a resilient spirit when fighting against an intelligent foe.
Since I play Rit more then Necro, if a nerf like your proposal did take place, I'd counter-argue that MMs should be limited in their minions in a similar fashion. Not that I think MMs should be nerfed, however if you do it for one, you gotta do it for all.
Spirits are pretty balanced as-is. They are not that hard to kill, and even when you're the Rit spawning power is so anemic it's tough to make a resilient spirit when fighting against an intelligent foe.
Since I play Rit more then Necro, if a nerf like your proposal did take place, I'd counter-argue that MMs should be limited in their minions in a similar fashion. Not that I think MMs should be nerfed, however if you do it for one, you gotta do it for all.
You can't see me
I'd only argue that spirits should be vulnerable to hexes, since minions are. I don't see a need to limit them though.
Biostem
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I'd only argue that spirits should be vulnerable to hexes, since minions are. I don't see a need to limit them though.
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Alex the Great
gawd, noting should be nerfed becuase of scrub ra'ers whining their butts off
/notsigned
/notsigned
Kaida the Heartless
Ya'll can lose the attitude. It was a suggestion I got so I put it up here. Get off your high horses and just say yay or nay without the elitist crap stuck on either side.
Thanks to those who gave constructive responses!
Thanks to those who gave constructive responses!
Songbringer
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OMGNESS I charged into 5 spirits and went out of range of my monk and got my butt wiped by teh spirits ZOMG HAX nurf dem plox!
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you to? thought i was the only one ^^. ele>spirits
Joshthor
There is nothing wrong with spirits right now, they are limited to 1 of each type, they cant move, and therefore are easy to get away from, low hit points=easy to kill. Minion masters get like 9 or 10 minions at max death (i think 9) that follow them and are high lvls with decent hp. i love both mms and spirit spammers, but i think mms should be nerfed before spirit spammers
/notsigned
/notsigned
I Phoenix I
Limit 2 health per person!
Mike_version2
Limit 2 energy per person!
God Apprentice
[skill]Psychic Distraction[/skill]
Good spirit spammer shutdown.
Aside from that, consider that when balancing skills, Izzy has to balance for each aspect of the game.
Good spirit spammer shutdown.
Aside from that, consider that when balancing skills, Izzy has to balance for each aspect of the game.
pumpkin pie
I think spirits is fine the way it is, so not signed for limiting 2 spirit per character.
However, i think spirits should lost its bond to the caster once the caster is dead, like minions loosing their bonds to the minion master when they die. so if you spam spirit and unfortunately can't stay alive. damn be your team... it will become rogue spirit or all spirit will die with the summoner.
However, i think spirits should lost its bond to the caster once the caster is dead, like minions loosing their bonds to the minion master when they die. so if you spam spirit and unfortunately can't stay alive. damn be your team... it will become rogue spirit or all spirit will die with the summoner.
Pyro maniac
/signed
Spirit spam isn't that powerfull, however it has got a high ratio of skill vs reward. It's just plain dumb, any player can play it and be a fairly good addition to the team. And since we're into it, also nerf those thumpers and all sins ^^. also no skill required to play those
Spirit spam isn't that powerfull, however it has got a high ratio of skill vs reward. It's just plain dumb, any player can play it and be a fairly good addition to the team. And since we're into it, also nerf those thumpers and all sins ^^. also no skill required to play those
Winterclaw
Kaida, for the smaller 4v4s, instead of limiting the number of spirits, reduce how long they will stay around in those areas. However I see what you are getting at because Anet did nerf how many minions a necro can carry...
Is that what you are trying to get at, necro spirit spammers? If so I'd limit it to one plus another for every 3-4 spawning power you have.
Is that what you are trying to get at, necro spirit spammers? If so I'd limit it to one plus another for every 3-4 spawning power you have.
Kanyatta
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good idea, lets build on it though. limit two skills per person period maybe? if you change it to that, I'll sign.
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Curse You
/not signed
Spirits are vulnerable to burning. Try using [wiki]Rodgort's Invocation[/wiki] or something, should kill them quickly.
Spirits are vulnerable to burning. Try using [wiki]Rodgort's Invocation[/wiki] or something, should kill them quickly.
RavagerOfDreams
yea a aoe fire spell pwns all spirits considering rits like to place them close to eachother
Diddy bow
They annoy me but /notsigned, no real reason to cripple the rit that much, the nerf was enough.
Zahr Dalsk
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Doesn't really effect gvg much, but does the smaller areas of pvp (RA, TA, Etc.).
Limit 2 Spirits per Character. Discuss. |
It's hard enough to run spirits in PLAYER VS ENVIRONMENT, you f***er. Stop trying to nerf our stuff. I can't begin to describe how much I hate people like you.
BenjZee
lol @ I Phoenix I
anyway this is one stupid request and ive read many stupid sardelec stuff.
Spirits have already taken enough of a beating, what would be the point in takin everything that makes the class good.
anyway this is one stupid request and ive read many stupid sardelec stuff.
Spirits have already taken enough of a beating, what would be the point in takin everything that makes the class good.
You can't see me
Or we could just...
[skill]unnatural signet[/skill]
[skill]unnatural signet[/skill]
Kaida the Heartless
Alright, the points have been made. Thanks for the input guys.
Mod, close this thread please.
Mod, close this thread please.
Tender Wolf
If you limit it to 2 spirits per person, then it should be 2 minions per person as well. And that would kill the hero status.
Marty Silverblade
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If you limit it to 2 spirits per person, then it should be 2 minions per person as well. And that would kill the hero status.
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Axagoth Baal
/not signed
There are many ways to take spirits down quickly. There's no need to nerf them imho.
There are many ways to take spirits down quickly. There's no need to nerf them imho.
Kanyatta
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If you limit it to 2 spirits per person, then it should be 2 minions per person as well. And that would kill the hero status.
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You're logic would make sense if spirits weren't so much better than minions.
Amy Awien
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If you limit it to 2 spirits per person, then it should be 2 minions per person as well.
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street peddler
dumb idea
/no
/no
Tender Wolf
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Hey, and only two pets as well!
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lolBut yes, I guess spirits are more powerful than minions. But when you get a full minion army, they're as powerful as spirits I think. But still, I'll have to go with /not signed.