Anyone else tired of THIS?

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by anonymous
Solution? Don't hang out in Great Temple, there is no reason to be there other than just starting a PvP char or selling zaishen keys.
If you read the OP, he mentioned going to test a build in the isle of the nameless. Quite a lot of people do this actually. Your solution = fail.

Avai

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

There are no sellers in my district. Italian districts also never have any lag. Please come play with me, guys!

Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkWasp
Gold sellers are black market and screw with the economies of real countries. They should be imprisoned, not just banned.

Cargan

Cargan

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

Scotland

[ESP]

W/

They're definitely getting bolder. I don't visit PvP areas as I only PvE, so this does not just affect the Great Temple of Balthazar. On Sunday when I was vanquishing an area in Ascalon, about an hour or so into it, I get a random whisper from someone called Asdf Fdsa [note: I know we're not allowed to give names, but it's a gold seller and they have no rights] adverstising a gold selling site. I figured it was just random so took a screenshot with intent to report it later.

Later on the same day I'm out vanquishing an area in the Northern Shiverpeaks and the same person whispers me again with the exact same message. Again, I had been in the area for around an hour and not been at any outposts recently.

After the second time I got the message I added them to the ignore list, but the fact that I received the same message from the same name makes me think they're just collating names from somewhere and hitting a macro to whisper them all the advertisement, just like telemarketing machines.

and no, I've not had any dealings with gold sellers other than reporting them when I see them advertise at outposts.

While the gold sellers will always be around, the matter has just gotten out of hand now. They're spreading through the game more and more each day and Anet seems to be doing nothing to try to stop them.

Compare this with something like FFXI where they're banning 10-20 thousand people every few months for violating the EULA. They actively search for gold sellers and the like and try to keep the game clear from them (although it's impossible, at least they're making an effort).

Anet don't even pretend to do anything about gold sellers. There is no reassurance to the GW community that anything is being done or going to be done. This leads us all to believe that it's only going to get worse.

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

They could put banbots against spambots:

- NPC detects someone repeating a line or speaking alone, or too much time without being answered, or someone that is being ignored way too much.
- NPC sends a whisper: "This is the automated bot prevention system. Please make this addition:" & "random_number[0..9]" & "+" & random_number[0..9] "and answer just the numeric without anything else."
- If bots can't read lines onscreen, then this should work.

Also 'alarms' when somone is ignored way too much for being normal.

Oukanna

Oukanna

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Ancient Shaolin Guardians

E/D

I can honestly say, ive never had a pm saying that to me lol
Ive been through the temple of balth and seen a few spammers there, but never got pmed ^^

I didn't realize it is getting out of hand now, doesn't the /report feature do anything about it??

Ive not really used /report so i dont know if its good or not lol

pfaile

pfaile

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Orlando

Divine Order of Heroes

P/R

Like it has been said before, it is not only at the temple but in PVE parts of the world. Gold sellers might have gotten our ign's here or another site, or they are trapping names in game with a program.

Sunyavadin

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhedd
Although I've noticed this a LOT in the American districts, I have yet to see it in the English European ones, oddly.
Really? I get it daily now. Mainly in the last few weeks.

Shakti

Shakti

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2006

Home...

Vier Reiter [Vier]

Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
They could put banbots against spambots:

- NPC detects someone repeating a line or speaking alone, or too much time without being answered, or someone that is being ignored way too much.
- NPC sends a whisper: "This is the automated bot prevention system. Please make this addition:" & "random_number[0..9]" & "+" & random_number[0..9] "and answer just the numeric without anything else."
- If bots can't read lines onscreen, then this should work.

Also 'alarms' when somone is ignored way too much for being normal.
This is kinda brilliant Can this actually be done with the random numerics?? Not would they, could they? Great way to detect idiots as well...if you can't add 4 + 6, you're outta here!

LeoX

LeoX

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

United Kingdom

Guildless Since 2005???

W/

I see them spam, but i've never been PM'ed.

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Onarik Amrak
All Anet needs to do is park an employee there for 30min a day to thin them down.
All Anet needs to do is honor the /report system, but, they aren't. These same people are there day after day night after night even after I've issued several reports on each of them on a daily/nightly basis. Anet/NCsoft just says one thing and doesn't do anything is my firm belief. Except when they have someone exploiting the game engine then they go after them hard and furious like the dumb 117 that got banned recently. But, I really don't think they care about gold sellers as much as Gaile lets on they do. If they did they would be gone within 24 hours or 48 at the most. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to READ the /report just in "So n So offering gold for sale from www. come buy it now.com there's no ifs' ands' or but's to those reports should be immediate permanent banning.

Darksun

Darksun

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

USA

Karr's Castle

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
They are worse in ID1 then anywhere else. Gaile has said that trial accounts cant whisper, but everytime an Itemcoo bot is banned, theres a new one the next day.

I seriously dont think they are buying a new account everyday.
She also stated that a majority of botter accounts are stolen with keyloggers.

Ku Ku

Ku Ku

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

England

[MYST]

Rt/R

It doesnt just happen in Temple of Balth, I've had it several times in Shing Jea too... the worse one was a Sex website spammer... he pmed me every 5secs or so... i was bombarded!

Billeh

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2007

New York

Crew of the Forsaken[LaZy]

E/

I hate that so much, even if you ignore them there are so many.

T. Drake

T. Drake

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

R/Me

It happens all over the Battle Isles

I think I've reported 3 or 4 gold sellers so far. That's the best (and only) thing you can do.

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

Never had one of these...but I don't farm on teh interweb

credit

credit

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2008

Team Apathy [aFk]

W/P

Don't chill in gtob, only lame people chill there.

Fril Estelin

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

Please post your /sign on this "Novel Way to Combat Gold-Seller Spam":
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10249569

If we can get several hundreds of signature, may be that can trigger something positive for our community?

Upset_Farmer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2007

Paladins of the Myst

E/Mo

Ok, my ignore list is pretty much filled with blocked "gold selling bots". Worst is that now they spam whisper you then hop district so the report system is well, useless, why hasn't Anet look into this matter yet *yes i know they are busy working hard on gw2 and all, but I'm sure they have a separate department that deals with in-game issues*

Lady S Shiva

Lady S Shiva

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

CA

LOD???

W/Mo

hell yeah, i was there last nite, 10 guys pm me in less than one hour, please ban them

NeHoMaR

NeHoMaR

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Onarik Amrak
All Anet needs to do is park an employee there for 30min a day to thin them down.
Why? they should simply make the reports KICK the bot, if +20 reports (of different players, different guilds), banned for 3 hours.

OR, even simpler, ban for 3 hours everyone spamming the same single message more than 10 times in 1 minute.

anonymous

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
If you read the OP, he mentioned going to test a build in the isle of the nameless. Quite a lot of people do this actually. Your solution = fail.
The OP also states that if they sit there they get multiple PM's around once every 15 seconds. Thats what I was directing "don't hang out in Great Temple" towards.

Rexion

Rexion

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

[Luck]

E/

You know what I'm tired of?
algebra...

y=kx. k cannot be negative.
Find K if the coordinates are (10,-5)
-5=10k.... K=(-1/2)

WTF...? K is negative!!!

Lady Yuna

Lady Yuna

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

inside your closet.......

ViLE

Mo/W

then the problem have no solution, IF you REALLY can't find an answer.

and try to complain about algebra when you reach Calculus, just carrying the book can break your arm.

Zonzai

Zonzai

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2005

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The amazing thing is that they are somehow able to avoid detection.

I was reading on another thread that when you report them they send the report with the name of the last person that they whispered. I didn't see that happen myself when I reported so I don't know if that's what's going on or what.

credit

credit

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2008

Team Apathy [aFk]

W/P

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rexion
You know what I'm tired of?
algebra...

y=kx. k cannot be negative.
Find K if the coordinates are (10,-5)
-5=10k.... K=(-1/2)

WTF...? K is negative!!!
No solution, pay attention in class bro.

Starsky-sama

Starsky-sama

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Land of the Z Chest \o/

[NOT]-Nomads of Turmoil.

W/

well I think their starting to show up in the major outposts...unless once they get your name they circulate it somehow...

Im pretty sure ive gotten a pm about gold selling in kamadan/LA before but they probably got my name b4 I left gtob.

all ive been doing is keep taking out a gold seller gibberish name and replacing it with another on the VERY limited ignore list.

imo. Anet should eventually give us a bigger or at least equal that of our capped friend's list

Also, Im pretty sure they have "undercover" ppl on the regions of gtob, daily bannings, but it's the obvious "take 1 out, 100 replaces them..etc.."

I just hope they address it and update us on it.

I MP I

I MP I

Hustler

Join Date: Nov 2006

in between GW2 servers

Mo/

Got a pm from some bot today in Great Temple Of Balthazar Intl. about buying gold on somegoldsite.com. Then went about my business. I heard many of these gold sellers just use trial accounts. Could be the reason why so many of them exist and why the problem is hard to combat.

Tender Wolf

Tender Wolf

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2007

All over Tyria, Cantha, & Elona

The Eternal Night Vanguard [TEN]

R/

OMG you guys are having that too? I know the feeling, it's sooo annoying. And I reported and ignored them but I don't know what the status is yet. Geez, someone needs a life if that's all they can find to do.

RPGmaniac

RPGmaniac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Biostem
I would love to see an option to only accept whispers from people on your friends list or guild members... That would shut this stuff down very quickly.
I hate to cite a game like Runescape, but they had it right with this feature. I would love to see it in Guild Wars too. Maybe extend it to alliance members too?

NathanMurray

NathanMurray

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2007

Sydney, Australia

No Guild Yet Starting Fresh

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I absolutely hate spammers in ascalon post mainly but I have seen pre and they just go on about guild wars gold deals. Their accounts need a good serving of the ban hammer.

Rexion

Rexion

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

[Luck]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by credit
No solution, pay attention in class bro.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady Yuna
then the problem have no solution, IF you REALLY can't find an answer.
but the answer sheet that we got with it said it was -1/2. makes no sense... anways. i'm done with off-topic tiredness.

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

In a game where you have no ingame police like GW you are going to get this type of riffraff. Goto WOW or EQ or many of the other "pay to play games" and you won't find this type of harassment for very long. I remember in EQ I could report someone an a guide would show up within minutes and the culprit banned on the spot. I remember getting two druid characters banned on the spot for pulling high level spectres on lowbies while the druids were "invisible". It was sooooooo funny when the Guide/GM arrived INVISIBLE herself (I had see invisible skill on ) She got up on a high peak and watched them for a few minutes and then POOF they were gone and gone for good as I put people I report in my friends list to see if they get to come back or how long they are gone (do it in GWs also). Those two never came back. hahahah

Destro Maniak

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2006

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Biostem
I would love to see an option to only accept whispers from people on your friends list or guild members... That would shut this stuff down very quickly.
A quick example

You:
"WTB ......"
Someone who has what you want:
"I have it join me."
The person is set to not get whispers from anyone buy guişldies or frineds

erk

erk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Australia

There is one of these spammers 24x7 for weeks in the RA id1 staging area, you can't miss it therefore A.net doesn't care.

Nude Nira

Nude Nira

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

inside a tanning bed

It's Raining Fame Hallelujah 【傘回傘】

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Biostem
I would love to see an option to only accept whispers from people on your friends list or guild members... That would shut this stuff down very quickly.
OMG I want that SOOO badly, it would be sooo nice to finally get rid of the little stalkers that love me so much. And no, I can't ignore list then, I'd feel too bad =/ and they'd probally commit suicide, sooo...

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Punch the screen in.

j/k ^^
I want more ignore list space...

warpedheat101

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

Knights In The Garage [BEEP]

Mo/A

just take whispering away from trial accounts might help some

Lady Raenef

Lady Raenef

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

Oregon, USA.

Zero Mercy [zm]

W/

Removing the whisper would eliminate the point of having your friends try out the game...however, if it has to be done, so be it. You could also restrict them from using the trade channel.

notLurker

notLurker

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Terra Nova, Mars

R/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady Raenef
Removing the whisper would eliminate the point of having your friends try out the game...however, if it has to be done, so be it. You could also restrict them from using the trade channel.
They could set it so that trials can send PMs to people who PM them first. So you can still PM your friends but trial_gold_seller_999999 can't advertise this way.

And no argument here, burn the gold selling adverts

Shakti

Shakti

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2006

Home...

Vier Reiter [Vier]

Spent a half hour in Kamadan selling stuff, got around 6 PMs from a bot gold seller (typical Zxd Sdf type name)...I whinged in chat about #@!$ bots, seems everyone was annoyed as hell. 1 girl was having that wrong reoprt thing. She said she /report the bot, it entered a report for another player not the bot