Would you buy other BMP's if they made them?

freekedoutfish

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Join Date: Jun 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth
GW is changing into a micropayments business model, it's becoming like all the other free to play mmos with Premium Item shops -
GW has been micropayments longer before GWEN was released!

We've had the bonus weapon pack for a good few years now, along with the pvp skill packs, the pvp location pack, then core skills pack and the ability to buy all 3 games at the online store and the ability to buy extra character slots.

GWEN and the BMP hasnt magically added micropayments all of a sudden or changed the games mechanism.

The game was always intended to be a micropayment game, where you buy the main core campaigns as a stand alone item and then have the choice to buy little extras ontop of that if you wish.

It hasnt ruined anything.

You also have to appreciate that at this time in GWs life, Anet is trying to focus on GW2 and trying to quickly run off ways to keep people playing GW1 until its released.

They havent time to be looking long into the future about what will be released and putting it all into one nice, tidy little expansion box.

Concidering all of that, they did a very good job with GWEN and the BMP. Unfortunately they expected us to pay over the top prices for products which werent worth that much... but we didnt have to buy them, so if you did... then it was your own fault.

Also if you look at GWEN in the grand scheme, and not just as a stand alone expansion. Its actually one of the better things to happen to GWs in a long time.

You can now take a lvl10 character into a high end area and power level them very fast, you can attain 2 x lvl20 heroes very fast who will help make the game a lot easier to play (if you wish), you also now have a lot more freedom to either complete the main story line of the campaign you start in or go off and do GWEN instead or another different campaign.

If you take the micropayment packs into consideration, they have also made GWs a far better game too (if you choose to buy them).

You can now buy the core skills pack and buy your newbie character ANY normal skill you wish from the start. You can buy the bonus weapons pack and give newbie characters max weapons from the word go. You can buy the pvp packs which make pvp a lot more fun and interesting.

GWEN as a stand alone item may not have added lots of content and the micropayment packs may not be to everyones likeing, but with all of those in combination with the other 3 campaigns it has inriched the game in a lot of ways.

Some may argue it has actually made the game too easy, because you can buy any skill from the start and have max weapons from the start. But you dont have to use them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by KANE OG
How can you "buy" a bonus anyway?

KANE
I think you failed with your attempt at sarcasm there because a bonus is perfectly understandably buyable. A bonus is just an item or pack which adds content outside of the original content of the game.

There is nothing wrong with that.

BenjZee

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The Overacheivers [Club]

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They mentioned how there n this pack that was 4 missions yet there were many stories they could of told. for example Oinks advantures

Lonesamurai

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Join Date: Apr 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by SmithyBen
They mentioned how there n this pack that was 4 missions yet there were many stories they could of told. for example Oinks advantures
Oinks adventures are so vast it would cover atleast two BMP's on its own... maybe a whole campaign

Wrong Device

Wrong Device

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

Europe (GMT+2)

Happy Enchanted Heroes [HEH]

Of course I'll buy it. Even though I still haven't done any BMP's missions except only one to get Tengu spear (...hate solo gaming).

A mummified one

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Definitely not. Current BMP was a disaster. No more BMPs pls.

Avai

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
Verata and Galrath are just begging to be expanded on.
I would buy this.

KANE OG

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Quote:
Originally Posted by freekedoutfish
I think you failed with your attempt at sarcasm there because a bonus is perfectly understandably buyable. A bonus is just an item or pack which adds content outside of the original content of the game.
Synonyms for the word, "Bonus".

Synonyms within Context: Bonus
Context Synonyms within Context (source: adapted from Roget's Thesaurus).
Giving


Grace, act of grace, bonus.
Receipt


Premium, bonus; sweepstakes, tontine.
Redundancy


Excess; surplus, overplus; epact; margin; remainder; duplicate; surplusage, expletive; work of supererogation; bonus, bonanza.
Reward


Allowance, salary, stipend, wages, compensation; pay, payment; emolument; tribute; batta, shot, scot; bonus, premium, tip; fee, honorarium; hire; dasturi, dustoori; mileage.
Virtue


Phrase: esse quam videri bonus malebat; Schonheit vergeht Tugend besteht; "virtue the greatest of all monarchies"; virtus laudatur et alget; virtus vincit invidiam.

So it is no longer a bonus mission pack, it is a mission pack. There was no sarcasm involved in my legitimate question.

You use (again.... like so many other internet sheep) the word fail due to your lack of knowledge and throw it around to try and look important. Try again.

Btw, straight from the dictionary:

–noun, plural -nus·es.
1. something given or paid over and above what is due.
2. a sum of money granted or given to an employee, a returned soldier, etc., in addition to regular pay, usually in appreciation for work done, length of service, accumulated favors, etc.
3. something free, as an extra dividend, given by a corporation to a purchaser of its securities.
4. a premium paid for a loan, contract, etc.
5. something extra or additional given freely: Every purchaser of a pound of coffee received a box of cookies as a bonus.

KANE

Friday

Friday

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Join Date: Oct 2006

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semantics aside... I would definitely buy it - if it allowed parties to play together.

I love the BMP - awesome content for what it is, clever skill replacements makes it fun, great graphics, great weapon bonuses and ties up bits of lore very nicely. The only thing I do NOT like is that it's solo content. I Don't like solo missions anywhere in the game and certainly not in the BMP.

freekedoutfish

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Join Date: Jun 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by KANE OG
Synonyms for the word, "Bonus".
well thanks for that! But in the context of guild wars the word bonus simply meens extra content which wasnt in the game you bought or something being given to you that you havent unlocked yourself.

Bonus weapon pack (/bonus) = max weapons on demand.
Bonus mission pack = 4 more missions and more weapons.

Your kind of taking it a bit too seriously, with the word!

Kula

Kula

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Join Date: Jun 2005

West Coast, USA

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Quote:
Originally Posted by freekedoutfish
well thanks for that! But in the context of guild wars the word bonus simply meens extra content which wasnt in the game you bought or something being given to you that you havent unlocked yourself.

Bonus weapon pack (/bonus) = max weapons on demand.
Bonus mission pack = 4 more missions and more weapons.

Your kind of taking it a bit too seriously, with the word!
It's about time someone started making sense. I hate to say it but "QFT". In the context of Guild Wars, NOT from some dictionary, thesaurus, encyclopedia, or even the holy bible!

Edit:

Then there's also the optional "Mission Bonus" that is not given to you automatically every time you complete a mission. You actually have to work extra to get those bonus rewards.

When I tried explaining it this way to someone their reply was, "Well in life you're always working towards something." Which left me looking perplexed like a dog with its head tilted to one side. 'Huh'?

MithranArkanere

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It would be great a BMP where you have to play with 5 friends as the Ascalon Chosen Ones.
The leader woul be disguised as Devona, the next one as Aidan, the Next as Eve, and finaly Cynn and Mhenlo.

The disgusies are already made (Halloween)

We'll just need to have something to do for them after the Searing.
Maybe each one starting in a separate place, then joining a bit later on, and helping people during the attacks.

Warmarshal

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Join Date: Jul 2007

White Dragons Of The Sky

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On the 'other' forum I brought up Bonus Mission Pack - Villains. Play as Shiro, some Charr and various other villains that we've been discussing. I like the Ascalon chosen one's idea aswell; I think the next BMP should perhaps allow more than one player with NPC's if you don't want to because it would be good to play with your friends. ^^

Kha

Kha

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Join Date: Mar 2005

USA

Angel Sharks [AS]

Yes.

Of course it depends on the actual content of each BMP - some things may interest me more than others - but I love learning about the lore of video games, and Guild Wars is no exception. The uniqueness of the missions and the discoveries in them were what made them much more fun than most of the missions in the game. And of course the weapon skins for the most part were stunning and quite needed to revive the creativity in weaponry for the game.

The only thing that would make BMPs more exciting is if they were multi-player. This is an online multi-player game after all.

Roderick Bravehart

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Trying to play Crysis on GLaDOS' mainframe.

Grenth's Rejects (GR)

For all the people slamming the Bonus Mission Pack, it was a bonus; free for some. $10 for others. You didn't need to buy it, but you did. You didn't like it? It was $10, not $100 get over it.

Back on topic. I loved the BMP. All those weapons were so cool. The Charr Sword replaced my Fellblade just because of its skin. I think if we had some Dwarven quests about, say, the Great Dwarf or maybe how Shiro betrayed his empire, then we would have a more successful game. I'd like to see more of the lands above the Maguuma Jungle, since there's all that map space, who knows what might be up there.

If ANet does release another pack, I'll be first in the proverbial line for it.

Keithark

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

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No, their massive fail in the marketing has made me leary of buying much of anything else from them. We were told one thing then they did another and didn't do anything to "make up for" their previous lie to those of us who got the BMP by way that was originally stated as to be th only way to attain it. I still am not sure if I will even get GW2. If it is the only pay once play anytime game when it is released then I probably will but if other companies follow the GW business model of one time pay then I will not buy from a-net anymore

Grasping Darkness

Grasping Darkness

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Yes. I'm doing turai Ossa's mission right now for the first time and am thinking this bmp is freaking awesome. Not only that but I get tons of new cool weapon skins and it's only $9.99. Great deal.

Lord Sojar

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Join Date: Dec 2005

Oblivion

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I demand 24+ man BMP missions. I demand raid style stuff! Oh, and please Freek, make one post without spelling errors...PLEASE.

Cacheelma

Cacheelma

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Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Saraphim
Yeh, well if they start pulling the 'charging separately for every minute piece of content' stunt, I'll be going elsewhere. I'd rather pay a subscription and get a big game with regular content updates than play these naff micropayment so-called free to play games.
Agreed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth
Don't you all realise the GW business model we loved is changing?
It's not that most fair system anymore, of pay once and get a complete game, free to play forever, along with free updates. It was the same for 2 years and it worked, Factions and Nightfall were full games that added a lot of new content, whole new professions and hundreds of skills, new gametypes, completely new features. If the content was not finished (some 15k armors, DoA) it was added later on in free updates. All 3 campagins were worth their prices and set high standards to which everything else can be compared.

And then came GW:EN and it didn't add any extra character slots but still costed which didn't have and immediately my personal alarm went "Attention! You're about to pay More for Less!" - 10$ less but 2 slots less was certainly a worse deal than previous releases and it was an Expansion, not even a full game.
And it was even worse after playing it - every dungeon map repeated 3-5 times, ~30 of 40 armors being just lame reskins, many of them being easily the worst pieces in all GW, looking more like placeholder art than anything else. And the epic failure of HoM. Even worse thing - the rushed and incomplete things won't get updated, we got that promised!

And now with BMP on sale, the amount of new content is a tiny tiny bit of a full game, something between 5-8% the size, but the price is far higher!

GW is changing into a micropayments business model, it's becoming like all the other free to play mmos with Premium Item shops - in a game where all the economy is about vanity and looking cool the best items are being sold for real $$$. That + the skill unlock packs for people who suck at pvp is like selling "I WIN" buttons, exactly what the other free mmo's are doing and exactly the reason I'm not playing them.

What would you prefer - to get 15 "Bonus" Mission packs and spend 150$ or buy the same amount of content as 1 complete product for 50$ ??
The good old fair GW business model goes bye bye.
Agreed as well.

freekedoutfish

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Join Date: Jun 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
I demand 24+ man BMP missions. I demand raid style stuff! Oh, and please Freek, make one post without spelling errors...PLEASE.
hmmm....... nope

A11Eur0

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Join Date: Apr 2005

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Nope. No more money goes to Anet until they give me what I already paid for with GWEN.

Nanood

Nanood

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Sure i would. I've bought everything else.

garethporlest18

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Probably not, unless it wasn't crap and actually did something useful.

pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

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bumble bee

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I change my mind a little bit, probably will not buy them, because i hope it would be free...

isildorbiafra

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Join Date: Aug 2007

The Netherlands

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I learned a valuable lesson from the promotion pack fiasco. Buy only at retail when its 50% off price.

ANet can you deal with that!

freekedoutfish

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Join Date: Jun 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cacheelma
Agreed.

Agreed as well.
You do all realise that Anet has to fund this game somehow, and the cost of the game alone isn't always enough to do that.

There is nothing wrong with selling stuff in a micro-payment fashion, because you don't NEED to buy them. Your not being deprived of anything which makes the game unplayable otherwise.

Your not missing out on armour or 99% of weapon skins.

What can you buy from the store...

1) Core skills pack which helps for creating new chars in pve and pvp, and accessing all skills earlier. Are you saying you'd rather they didn't sell that?

2) The weapons bonus pack, which allows a new char to have a max weapon from the word go. Would you rather they didn't sell that?

3) Unlocking all areas and items for pvp normal level. Big deal.. so that allows a newbie pvp players to have more choice. It makes it more fun and accessible

4) The BMP bonus pack... which offers 4 more short missions and some nice weapon skins and some lore!

Do you need any of those?
Can you not survive in game without them?

That is not a staggering number of micro-payment features. Your only talking about being able to buy all 3 campaigns, the expansion and 4 or 5 little tiny extra packs.

You all make it sound like Anet has suddenly started making EVERYTHING micro-payment and they haven't. You can access everything in game for free, as you always have. There just happens to be a tiny few little extras you could pay for if you felt you wanted to.

They help bring in a small amount of funding from players who have nothing else to buy once they own all the games. But its your choice! Stop winging about something which isn't that important.

Sirius-NZ

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Presuming the thread is still on topic (looks like it); I would consider buying them, certainly, although I'd prefer to get some idea of whether they'd be interesting first.

take_me

take_me

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I'm about 90% sure that I would not "buy" (well... I got it free for buying EotN^^) another BMP if it had the same concept.

pkodyssey

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Let me give you one word....

YUP!



Lets see micropayments for GW have cost me $264.85 in total.

If I had to pay $14.95 per month, the cost of three campaigns, an expansion, and add-ons it would have cost me $713.35.

Needless to say, I will not complain about buying a minor add-on.

cataphract

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I definitely would buy additional BMP(s). Especially if they offered great-looking weapons like this one did. <3 teh Tengu Sword.

MirkoTeran

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For a 10€, sure.

Whisper Evenstar

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Hells yeah... i would buy more BMP - it was fun and i found that they were some of the more enjoyable missions overall.

Edited to remove comments about naysayers and whiners - decided I should keep the post on track and that you guys just weren't worth my time...

tmr819

tmr819

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Quote:
Originally Posted by freekedoutfish
Now provided they marketted it correctly and just sold it as a stand alone item, would you buy a second, third or even a fourth BMP is they released them?
No. Probably not.

--The Bonus Missions are much too linear, dull, and one-dimensional: See rock. Throw rock at column. Run. Run very fast. Now play dead. Now run again. Run very fast. Sheesh.
--They are solo, playing a character that is not me. I like soloing, but with my choice of AI party and my choice of skills and my choice of my character.

If they were included with some other purchase that I wanted anyway (as in the case of EotN), that'd be fine. But I am sooooo glad I did not pay extra for these missions. To me, the bonus missions are a lot like polymock, I don't care if it's there as part of the regular game, but I'm not going to pay extra for it/them.

The only reason to play the missions is to get the weapons, in my opinion, not because they are fun.