"Minor Favor Update -- 1 February 2008
As you may be aware, players accrued a substantial amount of Favor of the Gods during the weekend of January 18 - 20. The numbers actually exceeded the coding ceiling, because in truth we never anticipated that players would accrue so much Favor in such a short period of time! When the ceiling was reached, the Favor count was reset to zero, but quickly rose to over 28,000 within 24 hours.
In working on the code for tracking Favor, one of our programmers accidentally added approximately 7,000 minutes to the then-current Favor total. These 7,000 were not Favor minutes that had been gained by players; the addition was the result of a simple human error. The programmer working on the "Favor Counter" is going to remove the 7,000 unearned minutes sometime today, February 1, 2008. We wanted to alert players about this minor change so that they do not become unnecessarily concerned when the Favor numbers change. Thank you for your understanding concerning this adjustment. "
So because we gained over the ceiling we lost 36,000 minutes because of the overflow error. This was not restored. But as a error they added 7000 minutes, even though the players have lost a net of 29,000 minutes, they are removing the "unearned" minutes.
Fine i want our 36,000 earned minutes that got delited because of the ceilling.
Edit: I know Gaile isn't "stealing" it, just thought it was a nice eye catching title, and it did appear in Gaile News 8 am this morning in the wiki.
Favor of the gods issue/loss
Shadowmoon
lietzaum
we still have plenty of favor that is over a week of favor there is not need for that much favor
i will get over it but
i do see the problem you are speaking of and guildwars might see it in time but they will do nothing about it
i will get over it but
i do see the problem you are speaking of and guildwars might see it in time but they will do nothing about it
Darksun
Yeah.. that's kinda dumb. Why remove the 7000 when we have 36,000 in reserve?
I pwnd U
Ohnoes! Losing 7k minutes out of 33k!! Not a big deal... it's good that they are fixing it as we have plently of favor already.
Kiragi Yagami
QQ Moar? UW/FoW Scrolls arent terribly hard to get, and are usually less expensive than the 1k needed to get in when there IS favor.
MagmaRed
They better be prepared for this weekend. With the double XP and gold for Vanquishing, there will be thousands maxing Legendary Vanquisher, and we will have the same problem again.
/sarcasm
I think they learned from their mistake, and this weekend won't be a major concern for title maxing. The 'lost' favor is no big deal, as we have TONS of favor still, and won't be losing it any time soon. I never understood why it mattered to so many people when it happened.
/sarcasm
I think they learned from their mistake, and this weekend won't be a major concern for title maxing. The 'lost' favor is no big deal, as we have TONS of favor still, and won't be losing it any time soon. I never understood why it mattered to so many people when it happened.
IslandHermet
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"Minor Favor Update -- 1 February 2008
As you may be aware, players accrued a substantial amount of Favor of the Gods during the weekend of January 18 - 20. The numbers actually exceeded the coding ceiling, because in truth we never anticipated that players would accrue so much Favor in such a short period of time! When the ceiling was reached, the Favor count was reset to zero, but quickly rose to over 28,000 within 24 hours. In working on the code for tracking Favor, one of our programmers accidentally added approximately 7,000 minutes to the then-current Favor total. These 7,000 were not Favor minutes that had been gained by players; the addition was the result of a simple human error. The programmer working on the "Favor Counter" is going to remove the 7,000 unearned minutes sometime today, February 1, 2008. We wanted to alert players about this minor change so that they do not become unnecessarily concerned when the Favor numbers change. Thank you for your understanding concerning this adjustment. " So because we gained over the ceiling we lost 36,000 minutes because of the overflow error. This was not restored. But as a error they added 7000 minutes, even though the players have lost a net of 29,000 minutes, they are removing the "unearned" minutes. Fine i want our 36,000 earned minutes that got delited because of the ceilling. |
I will have to agree with you this is a bunch of shite POOR FORM ANET POOR FORM.
after the moron who messed up with the programming takes 7k mins away they should raise the limite and give us the 36k that people EARNED.
And for all you people who say its no big deal we have enough its not about the mins its about Anet fooking up and not accepting responsibility for it.
here is a idea for the person who is going to do this just leave the 7k mins and subtract it from the 36k mins that the players earned.
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I will have to agree with you this is a bunch of shite POOR FORM ANET POOR FORM.
after the moron who messed up with the programming takes 7k mins away they should raise the limite and give us the 36k that people EARNED. And for all you people who say its no big deal we have enough its not about the mins its about Anet fooking up and not accepting responsibility for it. here is a idea for the person who is going to do this just leave the 7k mins and subtract it from the 36k mins that the players earned. |
A-net doesn't make sense sometimes...
Shadowmoon
Mostly it is the principle that concerns me, I don't go to UW/FoW much, but the fact that they are willing to remove few "unearned" minute due to human error, but unwilling to restore many "earned" minutes due to programing error.
HayesA
So now, we shoot the messenger? I thought someone, a long time ago, said something about that.
Glad to know it was a hard-coded problem, and wasn't some dude sitting behind a desk having a good laugh deleting minutes. :P
Glad to know it was a hard-coded problem, and wasn't some dude sitting behind a desk having a good laugh deleting minutes. :P
Shanaeri Rynale
If they can adjust the values on the fly why not add on 28,000 (35,000-7000) mins when the current favor runs out. as this is the approximate value the players earned?
To reduce it by 7000 and not credit us the balance people earned but could'nt get due to Anets limitations just seems silly, and mean
To reduce it by 7000 and not credit us the balance people earned but could'nt get due to Anets limitations just seems silly, and mean
A mummified one
Bring up the ceiling and add our earned 29k.
Esan
Just reset the favor counter already. The faster that weekend of wurm-based debauchery is forgotten, the better.
Ctb
Yea, I really don't get that either. They made two errors, one which cost players favor, one which cost them favor. So, they're going to fix one... but not the other... which will ultimately just leave the players 29k favor points short?
I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, given the staggering amount of favor that remains, but that seems to be an awfully inconsistent approach to whatever happened.
Soooo witty. I wonder if my brain will shrivel from not being able to see such genius-level insight from now on?
/ignore
I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, given the staggering amount of favor that remains, but that seems to be an awfully inconsistent approach to whatever happened.
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ProgTes
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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon
"Minor Favor Update -- 1 February 2008
As you may be aware, players accrued a substantial amount of Favor of the Gods during the weekend of January 18 - 20. The numbers actually exceeded the coding ceiling, because in truth we never anticipated that players would accrue so much Favor in such a short period of time! When the ceiling was reached, the Favor count was reset to zero, but quickly rose to over 28,000 within 24 hours. In working on the code for tracking Favor, one of our programmers accidentally added approximately 7,000 minutes to the then-current Favor total. These 7,000 were not Favor minutes that had been gained by players; the addition was the result of a simple human error. The programmer working on the "Favor Counter" has been sacked, and the people responsible for sacking the programmer have been sacked, and the people responsible for sacking the people who sacked the programmer were sacked too, just like the people responsible for sacking the people that sacked the people who sacked the one responsible for sacking our beloved programmer. We wanted to alert players about this minor change so that they do not become unnecessarily concerned about our personel when the Favor numbers change. Thank you for your understanding concerning this adjustment. " So because we gained over the ceiling we lost 36,000 minutes because of the overflow error. This was not restored. But as a error they added 7000 minutes, even though the players have lost a net of 29,000 minutes, they are removing the "unearned" minutes. Fine i want our 36,000 earned minutes that got delited because of the ceilling. |
But anyway, who cares about those minutes of favor. We'll have favor for the next month or so and then everything will go back to normal. We have a month extra favor compared to normal, so what's the big deal?
Ctb
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Yea, the favor loss isn't a big deal, but it seems like maybe they didn't fix the right problem here.
Phaern Majes
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QQ Moar? UW/FoW Scrolls arent terribly hard to get, and are usually less expensive than the 1k needed to get in when there IS favor.
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Yes I realize the trader price shows to be 200-500g per scroll, but if you go to sell and click request quote you will get a minimum sell value of 1k for UW and FoW scroll, just as if you go to buy from the trader you must pay a minimum of 1k. ZOH NOES the secret is out!
On topic, if we lost 35k minutes of favor then they shouldn't be removing any more. We LOST the favor that we EARNED. Yes I realize that its like complaining about losing $7 dollars when I have $34...oh wait I would still complain. But we aren't just losing 7k minutes we are now losing 42k minutes... granted those 7k weren't earned, but what about the 35k that were? Come on Anet think this through.... Seriously its all about principle.
hurric
they seriously need to bring back some structure to that company. it's a big mess with people doing anything and everything because they got used to updating on the fly so much but they need to re-start testing things internally. Not that I care about favor they just need to test things a bit more internally before releasing to general public. it's common knowledge/practice for any software/game company
it's not about favor as much as some people think oh this is how they're programming GW2 as well? half assed Hall of Monument with thousands of bugs but we'll fix them in the next 2-3 years. Half assed GW2 just to get it out and make some sales. it's just funny though so much drama
it's not about favor as much as some people think oh this is how they're programming GW2 as well? half assed Hall of Monument with thousands of bugs but we'll fix them in the next 2-3 years. Half assed GW2 just to get it out and make some sales. it's just funny though so much drama
yishin
The message just said they were correcting the 7000 minutes mistake they made. It didn't say they weren't gonna give us the credit for the lost 30 something k favor. They probably will add the "lost" favor in future when the current favor is lost. if they won't they really lose lots of credibility (at least towards me I can't speak for others)...... or it would be lame if they didn't (which probably won't surprise me since it's been expect the unexpected lately)...
Earth
So, will you people be crying over your precious favor forever? It was two weeks ago, this is a game, get over it.
Shadowmoon
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I did comment upon this, but I realize that not everyone reads every point of contact, so here are those answers and comments:
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Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi is reference to "what is permitted to one person or group, is not permitted to everyone". Hopefully A-net doesn't want to be permitted to as hipocritical as they feel like in a whim.
hurric
it's programmers mind set so unless something serious comes from management nothing will change. I'm here posting on forum instead of working on the broken buggy application we've given our customers
N1ghtstalker
less grindbased weekends and stop whining
favor enough and ppl complain of favor blabla
you don't need 36k minutes of favor for just a 1 minute stroll to storage and then to the avatar of grenth or baltha to access fow or uw
stop being so greedy and be happy with what you have
without anet weekend those 36k wouldn't even been there in the first place
favor enough and ppl complain of favor blabla
you don't need 36k minutes of favor for just a 1 minute stroll to storage and then to the avatar of grenth or baltha to access fow or uw
stop being so greedy and be happy with what you have
without anet weekend those 36k wouldn't even been there in the first place
EinherjarMx
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Mostly it is the princible that concerns me, I don't go to UW/FoW much, but the fact that they are willing to remove few "unearned" minute due to human error, but unwilling to restore many "earned" minutes due to programing error.
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zwei2stein
This is matter of principle rather than something that hurts people.
It is still uncool way to handle this thing, error that gave us extra favor is asap fixed and extra favor removed, error that took a lot of favor is fixed, but lost favor not restored.
It is still uncool way to handle this thing, error that gave us extra favor is asap fixed and extra favor removed, error that took a lot of favor is fixed, but lost favor not restored.
pygar
Holy Crap.
Can we get emo about anything more unimportant? Can we get any more be anymore thankless that the devs that run the game fix things when errors occur, and bother to communicate it with us?
Please people, stop demonizing A-net and Gaile Grey over "chump change" issues. If you can create/run a game better than A-net has done with GW- GTFO of the forums and go do so.
Can we get emo about anything more unimportant? Can we get any more be anymore thankless that the devs that run the game fix things when errors occur, and bother to communicate it with us?
Please people, stop demonizing A-net and Gaile Grey over "chump change" issues. If you can create/run a game better than A-net has done with GW- GTFO of the forums and go do so.
Firebaall
Just scrap the favour all together.
It's a broken concept now anyways, with UW/FOW scrolls. Heck while your at it, nix the 1K entrance fee.
It's a broken concept now anyways, with UW/FOW scrolls. Heck while your at it, nix the 1K entrance fee.
=DNC=Trucker
Yeah, whether we have enough or not, it's about principle. Truly I could care less its no biggie, but then why take away the 7k in the first place
pygar
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I suggest you GTFO of the fourms if you do not understand why people are upset and from what you posted you have no idea why that we are angry. did you even read the posts or did you feel like getting up your post count?
go read posts 1,9,11,19,22,26,32 and then come here saying we are QQing about the favor.......we do not care about the favor it is the POOR FORM that anet has shown in handling this situation, and as for saying its hard to program well yes if you have no clue what you are doing then it is hard. |
N1ghtstalker
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I suggest you GTFO of the fourms if you do not understand why people are upset and from what you posted you have no idea why that we are angry. did you even read the posts or did you feel like getting up your post count?
go read posts 1,9,11,19,22,26,32 and then come here saying we are QQing about the favor.......we do not care about the favor it is the POOR FORM that anet has shown in handling this situation, and as for saying its hard to program well yes if you have no clue what you are doing then it is hard. |
there's favor enough
7000k is missing so what
buy a scroll and it's done
poor form of handling...
handling the favor hitting the roof of the bonus they made in the first place
if there was no bonus weekend it wouldn't even have gotten to 2k
Drop of Fear
this just doesnt make sense.
they are not giving us back our 36k minutes of favor yet they take away the 7k we shouldn't have?
is this a joke? cmon
they are not giving us back our 36k minutes of favor yet they take away the 7k we shouldn't have?
is this a joke? cmon
Rocky Raccoon
Greed: An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs.
N1ghtstalker
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Greed: An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs.
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Rocky Raccoon
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we don't need 36k favor...
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Steboy93
But seriously, who cares about favour anymore since we got scrolls?
Shanaeri Rynale
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Greed: An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs.
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Now imagine there had been a double balth faction weekend, but in the middle there was a bug that zeored everyones Balth Faction since the number got too high. People play like hell and get it all back, and are then told that actually everyone has to have 7000 faction deducted from their total. People then say hey it doe'snt matter you can get it back from flames of Balth. Same kinda thing..
Ravious
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Greed: An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs.
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Now, I think most people did get over that wound...
But now, salt is being poured on it in the form of "we had a chance to alleviate some of the punishment, due to another mistake, but we chose to correct our mistake in a way that does not favor you."
Rocky Raccoon
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I bet deep down, no one really cares about favor. It is all about telling your customers the rules, having the customers excel beyond what you imagined, and then punishing the customers for excelling.
Now, I think most people did get over that wound... But now, salt is being poured on it in the form of "we had a chance to alleviate some of the punishment, due to another mistake, but we chose to correct our mistake in a way that does not favor you." |
Ravious
Like most sane people have said in this thread: It's not about really hurting anyone. It's just bad form, and I think most people want to think of A.Net in a higher fashion than what was done/shown.
Richardt
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7000k is missing so what
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Alright, I need to stop you there. I can forgive bad grammer, but bad numbering?
7000k=7 million
7k= 7 thousand
Almost 3 orders of magnitude difference there bro.