I hesitated to post this, because I just know it's going to degenerate into QQing about loot and gold etc etc, but I will do so anyway and hope vainly that it won't. I post this because I feel that the sense of "reward" for vanquishing in HM is not balanced to the effort put in.
I have obviously been vanquishing this weekend, but I am busy on the titles so have been concertedly at it now for the last while, in between other title hunting. The sense of reward this weekend, at the end when you see the amount of gold you get for completely clearing an area, in Hard Mode, just feels a lot better than it normally is. It feels a reasonable reward for the time it takes. The normal reward makes it not worth the effort to clear a complete area for "fun" and makes it feel like just a chore.
This is my perception and I just felt that this is what the rewards should actually be. Permanently.
What do you feel?
Vanquishing and it's rewards
Friday
knives
I agree. When I heard about this weekend, I wondered if they would do it like they did the "double" faction they did in the pvp areas. In short, they did a double faction (when faction was only lik 25 per kill) doubled it for the weekend, and decided to keep it that way.
Hopefully, this will follow suit.
Hopefully, this will follow suit.
Ctb
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And Hard Mode isn't, usually, that hard, in reality. It just takes a lot longer.
Most people have found that later areas aren't typically much harder than their normal counterparts, and earlier areas are only harder because of the decreased team size. In the end, if you were to increase the rewards appropriately, you'd just have patient and/or lifeless people farming the crap out of the higher level areas for the loot since they're not much more difficult than normal.
I think Vanquishing needs to stay what it is: something for people who like vanquishing to do solely because they enjoy it.
Solas
aye, i prefere this reward (obviously:P) but it is for a title, so the reward is an added benifit
Friday
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aye, i prefere this reward (obviously:P) but it is for a title, so the reward is an added benifit
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PS The standard of the loot dropped by the foes is all part of another discussion that encompasses the whole game and not what I want to discuss here.
Nemo the Capitalist
vanquishing is tedious as always increasing drops makes it no better
Navaros
It is correct that the "standard" gold reward for vanquishing a zone is worthless, and not at all worth the time it takes to vanquish the zone. This weekend's "double gold rate" should be the standard gold rate for vanquishing a zone during normal (non-event) times. Also, Legendary Vanquisher should get an emote or everlasting beetle tonic or something worthwhile like that.
cgruber
Bah I vanquished Zehlon reach today and not only did I not get a single gold drop after killing about 240 enemies I only ended up with 4400k and it took 2 hrs to do it.
Major waste of time.
Major waste of time.
qazwersder
If i got 4400k for a 2 hour vanquish i'd be extremely happy 
HawkofStorms
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vanquishing is tedious as always increasing drops makes it no better
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cgruber
If it was treated similar to dungeons where you get a chest spawn at the end maybe it would be worthwhile.
blurmedia
I spent an hour and a half vanquishing a place in GW:EN and got 6k from it :|
Not really that profitable.
Not really that profitable.
Phaern Majes
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If i got 4400k for a 2 hour vanquish i'd be extremely happy
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I agree the reward this weekend seems about right for the time it takes. Though I usually get a ton of golds and purples when I clear an area. While they may not be anything I can sell to players 150-400g is alot better at the merchant than the normal 40-80g. Not to mention I usually get several colored armors usually 1 or 2 containing runes or insignias that are 400g-1k.
TaCktiX
I say permanently keep the Vanquishing rewards at what they are right now during the double weekend. It's actually profitable to vanquish places right now, instead of taking 4 hours to vanq someplace like Arbor Bay, and only getting 2.5k in reward to show for it. You get more reward out of taking 4 hours to do DoA or The Deep, and the overall difficulty level of them all is about the same.
MMSDome
Its a bonus why should you ask for more? You dont get any extra benefit from the protector titles or any of them so why should you for this? Bring keys along you can get drops from chests and monsters believe it or not DROP WEAPONS TOO! Hell you people wouldnt even be bitching about thsi right now if they didnt even give you a reward at all. The added bonus they already have is nice enough you dont need anymore.
Skyy High
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Bah I vanquished Zehlon reach today and not only did I not get a single gold drop after killing about 240 enemies I only ended up with 4400k and it took 2 hrs to do it.
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Shadowspawn X
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MithranArkanere
My best vanquish was 15k, 2 tomes, 1 lockpick 10 gold items and a lot of XP.
But there where 500 enemies a lot of time!
The rest where much less than that. 1..5k.
But there where 500 enemies a lot of time!
The rest where much less than that. 1..5k.
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More gold for everyone!
Pleikki
Yeah i feel same its Nice when you spent 30mins-3hours vanguishing some area and when you get the reward it feels nice that i got that money with hard work! even if its only like 1-3k
Friday
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<snip>... If you want gold go earn some and stop vanqueshing because people don't vanquish for gold. There should be no gold given at all for vanquishing an area other than drops from the monsters.
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The Dungeons in EotN have a chest that spawns on completion of the whole dungeon - vanquishing gives you a monetary reward in relation to the XP you earned. Which one (aside from this weekend special) gives you the best "kick" eh?
Lord Sojar
Increase gold rewards to 3x the amount. That might make people want to go out and do it. I think a chest should spawn when you become a Vanquisher of X Continent in the last zone you vanquish. That would be neat.
EPO Bot
The reason why no one appreciates the rewards is that all the complainers make their money by farming.
News flash: Farming is not gameplay. It's exploiting certain areas with certain skills.
News flash: Farming is not gameplay. It's exploiting certain areas with certain skills.
Esan
I think they should remove the exp and gold rewards for vanquishing. Vanquishing should be its own reward: greedy people need not apply.
Not that I care any more, now that hard mode has been ruined due to certain PvE skills.
Not that I care any more, now that hard mode has been ruined due to certain PvE skills.
Balan Makki
Once a continent is Vanquish, there should be Domination Mode.
All Mob are neutral to you, unless you attack first, all bosses are hostile with massive stat buffs, and a much increased aggro range.
All Mob are neutral to you, unless you attack first, all bosses are hostile with massive stat buffs, and a much increased aggro range.
Ctb
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Yea. That makes a lot of sense. I guess I've never actually played this game at all. Huh.
Pleikki
Yeah id like that Domination Mode. i would love too it would drop any golds, purples tomes and stuff.. 
Jongo River
I enjoyed this weekend - I vanquished 5 zones and the rewards felt just about right, for the time involved. I was getting 2-3K for the reward and a total of 3.5-5K after selling all the junk. For 1-2 hrs slog, that doesn't strike me as a farmers income, it seems like a pretty normal amount of cash.
If they keep the double reward, then I'll vanquish more. Otherwise, I'd sooner not bother. The title (like all titles) really doesn't mean anything to me and the activity (with the normal reward) usually doesn't feel like time well spent.
If they keep the double reward, then I'll vanquish more. Otherwise, I'd sooner not bother. The title (like all titles) really doesn't mean anything to me and the activity (with the normal reward) usually doesn't feel like time well spent.
MithranArkanere
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Once a continent is Vanquish, there should be Domination Mode.
All Mob are neutral to you, unless you attack first, all bosses are hostile with massive stat buffs, and a much increased aggro range. |
Friday
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The reason why no one appreciates the rewards is that all the complainers make their money by farming....
News flash: Farming is not gameplay. It's exploiting certain areas with certain skills. |
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I think they should remove the exp and gold rewards for vanquishing. Vanquishing should be its own reward: greedy people need not apply.
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SO: EPO Bot and others say I must vanquish to make money (because, you know, my Character has finished all campaigns and all quests so no gold income there anymore, and we all know that loot scaling and drops suck in normal play now) - I may not farm.
YET: Esan and others says I should get no monetary reward for vanquishing. I'm just being greedy.
Contradictory or what? Go figure.
And Jongo River - thats exactly my sentiment.
To be in true forum form: ktnkxbai
cosyfiep
even at double its not worth it unless you want the title.....and I dont really care about that particular one so its meh at best. I can get more gold doing other things that take less time and I dont need the xp....(and yes the drops in hm are no better than the ones in nm minus a tome drop every couple of months)
Esan
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Contradictory or what? Go figure.
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Racthoh
It's fine as is. If people don't want to do something because they feel the reward isn't enough then so be it.
Then again wealth is rather pointless so it doesn't matter anyway what the rewards are.
Then again wealth is rather pointless so it doesn't matter anyway what the rewards are.
Zahr Dalsk
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Bah I vanquished Zehlon reach today and not only did I not get a single gold drop after killing about 240 enemies I only ended up with 4400k and it took 2 hrs to do it.
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wow...
*hurries over to Zehlon Reach*
kazjun
The cash bonus is pretty worthless. In the time it takes to vanq an area, you could probably run CoF 2 to 4 times for a guanteed 1.5k each time plus drops and chest rewards. Also a chance to get relics and chalices which are worth more than 90% of any gold or purple drops which you usually find.
The xp bonus is also a joke. I doubt that by the time people get round to vanquishing that anyone is in particular need for more xp, except maybe survivors. And there are far better methods for that.
Still, I'd give up all bonus rewards (xp and gold) for an arrow that points you to the next nearest enemy after you've killed say 95% of all monsters in an area. It's vanquishing, not hide and seek. And that is the main reason why I can't be bothered with the vanq title track.
The xp bonus is also a joke. I doubt that by the time people get round to vanquishing that anyone is in particular need for more xp, except maybe survivors. And there are far better methods for that.
Still, I'd give up all bonus rewards (xp and gold) for an arrow that points you to the next nearest enemy after you've killed say 95% of all monsters in an area. It's vanquishing, not hide and seek. And that is the main reason why I can't be bothered with the vanq title track.
Sparks Dawnbringer
/signed I would like to have the extra money from vanquishing all the time. It's a bit of a grind and the drops are not that much better than in NM so the extra reward makes it a bit more doable.
Longasc
2x Vanquishing Money and XP would make a better norm, I think it is not really that much what we get right now.
But actually, the act of having vanquished an area should be reward enough... I am an idealist.
But actually, the act of having vanquished an area should be reward enough... I am an idealist.
Channel_V93
They could make Vanquishing Books for additional rewards, similar to the Dungeon and Hero book but the rewards could be the new skins from the Design-A-Weapon contest, maybe?
Alex the Great
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I don't need to "earn" gold - I have quite enough for my needs and I'm quite capable fo getting more, if I want it, by other means than vanquishing. I said that this was not about the "QQing/moar gold plox/ktnkxbai" litany - this was an observation about the sense of reward for vanquishing an area, any area, at all levels of the game. The sense of "yeah that was worth it - look at the neat bonus I got for 1/2/3 hours of completing an area".
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Boris De Pig
I vanquished Cantha, it made me enough cash and had enough half decent drops/chests to fully pimp out my heroes (well, sensibly pimp them anyway). A few of them have end-game greens or BMP weapons, but they have the head/wrapping/inscription etc. that I want for them after the vanquishing.
Yes it takes a while, but it became a real social thing. 4 of us from the guild went out and did a new zone when we were all on. Had a laugh with friends and made a little cash and got some reasonable drops on the side.
I don't think that vanquishing for money is the right attitude. Vanquishing is something to do when you've completed all the campaigns and (perhaps like me) are waaaay too bad at pvp to take on that challenge.
BdP
Yes it takes a while, but it became a real social thing. 4 of us from the guild went out and did a new zone when we were all on. Had a laugh with friends and made a little cash and got some reasonable drops on the side.
I don't think that vanquishing for money is the right attitude. Vanquishing is something to do when you've completed all the campaigns and (perhaps like me) are waaaay too bad at pvp to take on that challenge.
BdP