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Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

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10 Feb 2008 at 10:35 - 681

Quote:

One clarification: "Value" in the context of what I wrote did not mean price. I was speaking of the low value that people put in the miniature pig. Some were deleted, as you've read in this thread, because they were not considered valuable enough to hold onto.

That's the weakest back-pedalling I've ever seen. It doesn't even make sense.

"Value" in GW is measured in gold, that's how they want it, that's how they designed the game. The reason many deleted their multiple minipigs, or gave them to people who could not attend the finale, was bacause they took up storage space and had virtually no value - just a plat or two - and the only "value" ANet increased by making minipigs rarer is their value in gold.

I take this as confirmation that ANet did indeed act on the behalf of pals with storages filled with minipigs, and that they are now unwilling to accept responsibility for intervening in the economy to make those hoarders very, very, rich.

reetkever

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/E

10 Feb 2008 at 10:43 - 682

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
One clarification: "Value" in the context of what I wrote did not mean price. I was speaking of the low value that people put in the miniature pig. Some were deleted, as you've read in this thread, because they were not considered valuable enough to hold onto.

So please accept my apologies if you thought I was talking about the cost of something, it's gold value, or how much you could sell it for. I was speaking of value in how much someone cares for an item, not the cost or price. There are things in the game that I value highly, even though they are not worth a lot of gold. I am sure the same is true of most players.

So you want to make us care about the mini-pigs, and then come up with a collector to trade them in...

Anyone who cares for their pigs would NEVER trade them in at a collector like they were some kind of tool. Before the event the pig at least was a pig. It wasn't worth alot of cash but alot of people still liked it.

Now it's just a crafting material that is needed to get the celestial pig.

Your argument is invalid.

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

10 Feb 2008 at 10:54 - 683

The only remaining question now is if ANet is clueless and intervened in the economy on the request of speculators without realizing the speculators would make millions, or if they're corrupt and intentionally benefitted the speculators.

Sometimes it annoys me that the player-base of GW isn't like the player-base of the trade simulator EVE: Online; had this been EVE there'd have been hell to pay.

Then I realize that the player-base in EVE are wannabe accountants, so perhaps having corruption is the lesser of two evils after all.

BodhiNightwind

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

United States

Stonewall Of Unity League [SOUL]

Mo/Rt

10 Feb 2008 at 11:14 - 684

OMG I just figured it out...

The Year of The Rat...get it...the Year of the PACK RAT!

lmao

To the packrats go the spoils.

It came to me when I realized how many Lion's Masks I now have....

yeah....Happy New Year

If someone's already said this don't burst my bubble, it's the only thing about this festival that's making me happy right now....lol

BodhiNightwind

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

United States

Stonewall Of Unity League [SOUL]

Mo/Rt

10 Feb 2008 at 13:35 - 685

The Year Of The Pack Rat!

Come on! That's funny stuff right there! Anet made a joke! get it!? lol
They will fix this whole mess on monday! ....lol

pwn_sh0p

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

da 671, Guam

W/Mo

10 Feb 2008 at 14:37 - 686

*sigh* and now i feel sumthin ive never felt b4 about all the times i was nice after i wasted those lunar wutevers and got like 17 pigs from them and gave all but 1 away to guildies..... and i eventually trashed the 1 *sigh*.....

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

10 Feb 2008 at 15:42 - 687

Yup. Great message: Hoard more, or you may giving away something that is 50k worth.

Great message.

ONE PIG. Only ONE PIG should have been required. No more than one.

explodemyheart

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Indiana

Gui1d War스 P01ic트 [Pr으]

Mo/

10 Feb 2008 at 16:09 - 688

So I had one of my very own mini pigs. I gave away the rest last year.
I would like a mini celestial pig, because I like it and I collect mini pets.
I had a couple of friends who already dedicated their mini pets to HoM and didn't care about them, so gave me theirs.
I'm left with 4 mini pigs, including my own.
I would like to keep my own mini pig, as I think it's cute.
So if I want a celestial pig, I either buy 2 more mini pigs, or buy a celestial pig later.

Gaile is doing some serious backpeddling now. It's not about monetary value? So Anet created the PERFECT situation for people to place a higher monetary value on mini pigs? Has Gaile herself seen some of the ridiculous prices people are now selling and buying mini pigs for? Since tons of pigs were supposedly deleted, and now they're being gotten rid of at 5 in a single pop, they have greatly increased the rarity... thus placing a higher monetary value on them. What other value does that leave us? The people left with mini pigs will mostly be the people who already valued them and were already keeping them because of something other than monetary value. Everybody else is making cash, because they didn't care. Increasing the rarity will not make them suddenly care.

To all of you saying that people only care because they can't make cash on extra piggies now, GTFO. I have 3 extra mini pigs that I could easily sell right now if that's what I cared about. Just because that's what you'd do, or in fact did do, does not mean that's what everybody would or will do.

VanDamselx

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Buffalo, NY

[TTBH]

10 Feb 2008 at 16:24 - 689

I will just buy the Celestial when I have money for it. Buying Mini Pigs and Festival Tickets was not in the budget

pwn_sh0p

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

da 671, Guam

W/Mo

10 Feb 2008 at 17:22 - 690

actually i just got a mini celestial pig cuz sum1 just sold me 4 pigs for 30k then i bought another pig for 10k so i paid 40k overall for the celestial..... and to add to the ppl who are complainin... some ppl have already paid for a celestial pig upfront or for 5 normal pigs (in which the price is around 15-30k), have you thought that maybe the ppl who paid that price for the pigs wud probably be mad and in the same situation you guys are in if the anet teams change the rules again and somehow decreased the value? there wud probably be a whole nother flame topic about how anet keeps changin rules and how a whole bunch of peeps are now 100k less richer...... just sayin

Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

PIMP

Mo/

10 Feb 2008 at 17:47 - 691

The point is it was a bad idea from the start. Gaile's not a bad girl, she's just talking out of her ass again to do damage control. What a stressful ungratifying job this must be at times. Oh btw Gaile, can you ask the genius at Anet who came up with this idea, to share some of that pot pls, instead of smoking it with the dev team and other peeps at Anet.

How can a team that makes such a beautiful inovative game, approve such an implementation. Probably a bit anti social I guess, like with al geniuses.

McMullen

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/W

10 Feb 2008 at 19:23 - 692

Nice kick in the teeth for those nice enough to give their spare pigs away last year..
Should be interesting to see how much the normal pig and celestial ones' will be worth after the festival.

Dante the Warlord

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

W/R

10 Feb 2008 at 19:51 - 693

A lot of the sellers are giant A-holes im personally not paying above 5k-10k...But its just a really dumb looking mini, though i think it will be worth about 75k after the festival if not more

Knightsaber Sith

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2006

Few Fallen Heroes [FFH]

W/E

10 Feb 2008 at 22:03 - 694

Quote:

Originally Posted by reetkever

So you want to make us care about the mini-pigs, and then come up with a collector to trade them in...

Anyone who cares for their pigs would NEVER trade them in at a collector like they were some kind of tool. Before the event the pig at least was a pig. It wasn't worth alot of cash but alot of people still liked it.

Now it's just a crafting material that is needed to get the celestial pig.

Your argument is invalid.

They were trying to make the piggies have greater value by removing a large chunk of them from circulation. The fact that people that only had one and liked it wouldn't trade it is irrelevant since they were trying to get the people that didn't like it to see it as having value.

Unfortunately, I'd have to say your argument is invalid since it doesn't even make sense.

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

10 Feb 2008 at 22:58 - 695

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

They were trying to make the piggies have greater value by removing a large chunk of them from circulation. The fact that people that only had one and liked it wouldn't trade it is irrelevant since they were trying to get the people that didn't like it to see it as having value.

Unfortunately, I'd have to say your argument is invalid since it doesn't even make sense.

So people that liked the mini pig had only one, and don't want to trade it in, but those that didn't like it had 5+ sitting around? That makes even less sense.

DrNite

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2008

guildless.. need one

10 Feb 2008 at 23:21 - 696

thanks anet. i had 6 mini pigs last year but they were taking up too much room in my inventory so i gave 5 to people who didnt get any. if i would of known that they would be needed a year later to get a celestial pig, i would of saved them. now i have no money to buy a celestial pig, or enough money to buy 4 regular pigs + mine to trade in for a celestial pig. and these people are overcharging for a last years pig thats worth 1-3k.

way to ruin the festival. would of been better to let everyone get a celestial pig like last year, and have an overabundance of pigs and let everyone be HAPPY. rather then cheaping out nice ppl who gave away pigs last year, and racking up the price of a 1-3k pet.

I would much rather have items that can be won due to chance, or given away to everyone who attends, its fair for everyone.

IlikeGW

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

10 Feb 2008 at 23:33 - 697

Quote:

Originally Posted by BodhiNightwind

They are constantly keeping us in the dark about things until it's too late.

I agree, this is just the latest in a string of community relations collapses and strange decisions. I wonder what's going on there, they made missteps in the past, but lately it's like decisions are being made with no logic at all.

Rothaga

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2007

D/W

11 Feb 2008 at 05:56 - 698

Lets see the value of undedicated pigs now that almost all of em are probably gone.

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

11 Feb 2008 at 06:08 - 699

Value is supply and demand.

Originally the mini pig had a large supply and no demand.

They added a collector, and you have a large supply with a BIG demand.

Prices went up as people started buying.

But will the demand stay the same with the removal of the NPC that collects them?

Youll have a lower supply, but the demand, will it stay increased or drop back to before the collector?

some guy

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

SPAWN CAMPING YOUR HOUSE

We Speed Clear H O H [ HsC]

11 Feb 2008 at 06:19 - 700

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkGanni

So I just clicked on the collector and I read this line, I wonder if it means something.

pwnd, that says it all.

GG KTHXBAI

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

11 Feb 2008 at 06:29 - 701

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

I dont know WHY we need increase the value of the mini pig. It was fine where it was. It was cheap. People who liked it could get one easily. ...

This is what Serenity Silverstar, a forum member of a different forum, answered to that question:

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...&postcount=358

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serenity Silverstar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

Why does ANet care about the "value" that players have for a minipet?

Because they care about the game. Strange, but true, in this age of non-commital bastard corporates.

What Gaile is describing is called "Opportunity Cost" in economic terms (15 year old school lessons ftw!).

I do not see that connection. So if anyone in here can please explain that to me, it would be very appreciated.

Her explaination is:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serenity Silverstar

They do what they can, within budget and time allowances. Same as within any business. And considering every individual has an opinion and list of wants, it's just not possible to satisfy everyone.

C'mon, sensible expectations. They're not gods with a limitless budget.

I don´t think that explains it at all.

Knightsaber Sith

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2006

Few Fallen Heroes [FFH]

W/E

11 Feb 2008 at 06:33 - 702

I am familiar with the concept of an opportunity cost and I fail to see how that would relate to what Gaile said about the piggies.

The second part is just an excuse for recycling holiday content from last year.

raven214

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

R/

11 Feb 2008 at 06:53 - 703

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

I dont know WHY we need increase the value of the mini pig. It was fine where it was. It was cheap. People who liked it could get one easily.

Monetary value is irrelevant if the item is loved by a person.

I love some of my cheap 1.5k armor. I love some of my blue collector weapons. I love my mini pig since it matches my ranger's pig (my ranger had a pig since pre-searing). Even if it was expensive, i would have loved it too.

The idea of 'increasing the "value"' is bullshit

I couldn't agree more. I've always loved my minipig. It was (obviously) never about it's monetary value, but because my ranger's first long-term pet was a pig.

Quote:

Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

Yeah, well Anets expectation of us keeping 5 slots occupied with minipigs, while supplying such inadequate storage, is a clear indication of the stupidity we are dealing with here.

Overall, I'm ok with the storage we have now. It is tons better than what it used to be. But I must agree, for ANet to think that most people would keep 5 extra (presumably 6 total if, like me, you actually like the little bugger) non-stacking, nearly worthless, "anythings" is irrational, lazy, or both.

HuntMaster Avatar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

Around

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11 Feb 2008 at 07:16 - 704

despite all odds i managed to get my dang celestial piggy undedicated for 98k. thats more than i have ever spent on a mini before. now it will go on a mule and forgotten.

Phoenix Tears

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

11 Feb 2008 at 10:08 - 705

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

despite all odds i managed to get my dang celestial piggy undedicated for 98k. thats more than i have ever spent on a mini before. now it will go on a mule and forgotten.

lol, ur bad getting stuff for lesser money... I got mine for 72p and I'm sure, there are also some, who got one for like 50p (those with the luck to bought enough for 10p/pig)

When you really want a cheap celestial pig, than you try to buy the 5 normal pigs as cheap as possible (for around 10-15p/pig), beecause you won't find anyone, who sells them atm for those prices around ...

those, which sell celestial pigs, are all greedy and sell them for far more than 50-75p...most greedy ***holes want them sell ingame still for 100p and some ectos -.-

MoriaOrc

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

11 Feb 2008 at 10:19 - 706

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

lol, ur bad getting stuff for lesser money... I got mine for 72p and I'm sure, there are also some, who got one for like 50p (those with the luck to bought enough for 10p/pig)

It really wasn't too hard to get cheap pigs, either. I bought two Thursday before the event, gambling for a 3->1 pig trade (I had one from last year), and two more earlier this afternoon to get those last two for the trade. 10k each. All I did was post "WTB Dedicated Mini Pigs @ 10k ea" in Kamadan and browse the web until my search got near the top and someone PMed me with a sell offer. It took about 15-20 minutes each time (except the first buy Th. didn't require a district change, the second buy was much faster).

Pigs were higher (or harder to find low, at least) on Weds after the trade was widely known, and on Fri & Sat when all the "must have firsts" were buying, but all it takes is a little bit of patience.

wraithe

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2008

N/Me

11 Feb 2008 at 10:25 - 707

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

lol, ur bad getting stuff for lesser money... I got mine for 72p and I'm sure, there are also some, who got one for like 50p (those with the luck to bought enough for 10p/pig)

When you really want a cheap celestial pig, than you try to buy the 5 normal pigs as cheap as possible (for around 10-15p/pig), beecause you won't find anyone, who sells them atm for those prices around ...

those, which sell celestial pigs, are all greedy and sell them for far more than 50-75p...most greedy ***holes want them sell ingame still for 100p and some ectos -.-

no offence, but anyone buying Mini Celestial Pigs for those amounts must be an insane mini collector or just have too much money.
if i were ever to puchase one i wouldnt pay more than 5p..they look terrible.

wraithe

enter_the_zone

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2007

R/

11 Feb 2008 at 13:53 - 708

Quote:

Originally Posted by raven214

Overall, I'm ok with the storage we have now. It is tons better than what it used to be.

I agree it's better than it was. My 12 mules still say hello though. I have 3 chars with just mods that I need some decent skins for...

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

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11 Feb 2008 at 14:11 - 709

So now we only have to wait untill Anet artificially inflates ecto prices so less people are able to wear FoW-armor. Because, well, if everyone is wearing FoW-armor, it isn't special enymore.

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

11 Feb 2008 at 14:46 - 710

Why would they inflate ecto prices when they dropped them in the first place?

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

11 Feb 2008 at 15:24 - 711

As soon as we know why they inflated the mini pig prices, we´ll know the answer to that question!

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

W/

11 Feb 2008 at 15:27 - 712

So, what looks better:

The Celestial Pig? Or the original? I think I'll keep my original.

Saraphim

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Hand of Omega [WHO]

E/

11 Feb 2008 at 15:29 - 713

I like my original Piggeh.

I shall hug him and squeeze him and name him Oink!

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

11 Feb 2008 at 15:46 - 714

I had seven of these little oinkers on my PvP mesmer just collecting dust. I now have two and a newly dedicated celestial mini-pig!

Also a party animal now, and have more storage space!

Man, I went away for too long.

Darksun

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

USA

Karr's Castle

W/E

11 Feb 2008 at 16:22 - 715

I like my Celestial pig! Although the original pig looks awesome too.

I remember when I first saw the Celestial pig when I got one from a fortune last year and I was wondering why the mini wasn't Celestial.. I also tend to like Minis that glow. The Mandragor has the best effect though..

ForgeWhelp

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

TGW

N/Mo

11 Feb 2008 at 16:46 - 716

Well I successfully boycotted the event. I do feel a little better about it. If I want a celestail pig or rat, I'll just buy it out right and keep my one pig I didn't give away for free like all the others that I did give away for free.

VanDamselx

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Buffalo, NY

[TTBH]

11 Feb 2008 at 17:33 - 717

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

This is what Serenity Silverstar, a forum member of a different forum, answered to that question:

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...&postcount=358

I do not see that connection. So if anyone in here can please explain that to me, it would be very appreciated.

Her explaination is:

I don´t think that explains it at all.

I took college level Micro and Macro economics and I, too, fail to see what opportunity cost has to do with it. At least not in the context that Serenity said it. Opportunity cost has to do with decisions, the "cost" is the value of the next best choice that could be made. Anytime you have to make a decision, there is opportunity cost. For the sake of the pig, you could: 1. Keep it. 2. Sell it. or 3. Give it away. What Serenity said is not opportunity cost. ArenaNet is, however, choosing to change the scarcity of the pig and this raises the value. I would say that what Serenity is describing is more like Utility (in regards to Gaile's post). Correct me if I'm wrong.

I guess ArenaNet felt the need to make the pig rare and desirable, and this was their only solution. So many people bitched and moaned last year after they opened a ton of Fortunes to get the Mini Pig, not knowing otherwise they would be available for everyone and their 21 accounts at the end of the festival.

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

11 Feb 2008 at 18:40 - 718

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savio

Why would they inflate ecto prices when they dropped them in the first place?

At the request of in-game friends who've stockpiled ectos when they were cheap, and now request help to raise the price of the ecto so they are "worth selling"?
That said, I don't think ANet is price-fixing ecto.

I'm still convinced they price-fixed the minipig in order to benefit some player who'd complained to someone he knew at ANet that the numerous minipigs he'd hoarded weren't worth his while to sell.

And the concern is valid; I raised that same point earlier: if ANet will intervene in the economy at the request of some speculator to influence the price of minipigs, then for all we know whoever got them to do so might get them to intervene to fix the prices of other commodities too.

That's the problem with corruption - it erodes trust.

HuntMaster Avatar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

Around

Pillar's of Earth [ROCK]

W/

11 Feb 2008 at 18:46 - 719

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

lol, ur bad getting stuff for lesser money... I got mine for 72p and I'm sure, there are also some, who got one for like 50p (those with the luck to bought enough for 10p/pig)

When you really want a cheap celestial pig, than you try to buy the 5 normal pigs as cheap as possible (for around 10-15p/pig), beecause you won't find anyone, who sells them atm for those prices around ...

those, which sell celestial pigs, are all greedy and sell them for far more than 50-75p...most greedy ***holes want them sell ingame still for 100p and some ectos -.-

I agree people are greedy but i was offering 98k because there are alot of people who simply want to keep their pigs. besides, 98k is about 4 days farming in the desolation tops so i wasnt too worried. Now i have my original piggy and my celestial piggy and my celestial rat so I am now alot happier with this crappy stinkfest of an event than i was before. And happiness is worth far more than 98k.

Jongo River

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

11 Feb 2008 at 20:11 - 720

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

I agree people are greedy but i was offering 98k because there are alot of people who simply want to keep their pigs. besides, 98k is about 4 days farming in the desolation tops so i wasnt too worried. Now i have my original piggy and my celestial piggy and my celestial rat so I am now alot happier with this crappy stinkfest of an event than i was before. And happiness is worth far more than 98k.

I was trying to decide whether I wanted to have a celestial collection (I don't doubt there will be more) and whether it was worth buying a c_pig. In the end I improved my happiness by taking the c_rat out onto the plains of Jarin and having a good long look at him in the bright sunshine. After watching him scurry back and forth, I scratched my chin and did declare "no sir, I don't like it". So I...

...took it back inside and sold it to the first WTB I saw for 15K.