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Magikarp

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2007

[HAWK]

08 Feb 2008 at 05:38 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr_groovy

A: No telling in guild chat to Officer to shut up. (I'm a officer too, you tell me to shut up, and i'll kick ya too

)

Them > you.

this is not only not helpful, but just wrong.

if you have a problem with someone, dont call them names, dont argue. ignore them, they obviously play guild wars to make up for the pre-existing social handicaps if they choose to spend their time being mean and rude (if this is really the case).

i dont care how bad someones treating you/me, if ignore isnt enough, and talking to the leader isnt enough, leave, and research guilds before just joining the first one, or best looking cape you see.

Magikarp

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2007

[HAWK]

08 Feb 2008 at 05:43 - 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by kratimas

And some should really learn how to act in a guild....

Just saying,

Krat

and some people need to learn this is a video game and not the freaking army.

if you join a guild just to get talked down to, or like to be an officer so you have the "option" to talk down to others, just quit the game, and join a pony league baseball team... or coach one.

bunch of egomaniacs in this community..

Steph Woodland

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

ViP

Mo/

08 Feb 2008 at 05:46 - 43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coloneh

i think ive been switching guild about this much recently. they all seem pretty terrible, but the problem i run into is not the officers being jerks, but having no idead how to play guild wars. the last guild i left after getting into an argument in guild chat with 3 officers and 5-6 members about why tanks are bad. those arent the kind of people i want in my guild, I want people who know how to play.

well i don't know how to play the game that well but i would help you out if i could i might even give ya free stuff (not good stuff cuz ain't got none lol)

i have been in two guilds the first one had the coolest leader but he doesn't play much but i am still friends with him, so i found another one and i am happy with it too not to metion the leader likes me a promoted me out of nowhere well i never had that problem

btw i have only been playing for about a month so i might not be exp enough to answer question lol

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

08 Feb 2008 at 08:22 - 44

I've had experiences with these types of kids in my GW officer career ...

Asking to be officer ASAP. Refusing to listen to people and telling them to shut-up (not only officers, telling to shut up to ordinary members was kickworthy too.). Trying to conspire with some oldimers against other oldtimers. Begging for items/runs/powerleveling asap they joined guild.

There was always merciless /kick for them in the end of the day.

Seriously, how are you supposed to play together/be comradeish with someone who tells you to shut up? Such person has no place in guild. Regardless of what focus of that guild is.

Uber Mass

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

The Netherlands

retired from gw [agro] still ftw

W/

08 Feb 2008 at 08:26 - 45

I guess you have been unlucky... None of our officers kick members unless if a member is getting abusive towards other members they can kick and send a screeny to me....

There are good guilds out there.. and if you find one just settle there and have fun cuz its still a game

UnKn0wN415

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

Bay Area

Looking 4 PvP Guild!

R/

08 Feb 2008 at 08:33 - 46

ya been a few guild where an officer did this after him and leader have a stupid fight...

last one was a fight between energy or mana which is the correct name...

guild manage to get some people back but took about 2 weeks to get everyone back...

mr_groovy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands

No Inherent Effect [NiE]

08 Feb 2008 at 08:37 - 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magikarp

this is not only not helpful, but just wrong.

Actually it is pretty helpfull, maybe the way i put it was a bit crude

.

Look there's no problem to have a quarrel with an officer, but do it in whisp. Otherwise it undermines Authority, and no officer wants to look bad in front of the whole guild

them > you:

In an established Guild, Officers made their position for a Reason. They know the game well, have been playing for sometime, and will play friendly with other guildies. ^^. That's what my definition of a good officer anyways.

Them kicking the op surely has been for a reason.

Lord Sojar

The Fallen One

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oblivion

Irrelevant

Mo/Me

08 Feb 2008 at 08:56 - 48

I abuse my guildies. I do it because I love them. <3

Horus

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

www.godtguild.com

Blades Of Burning Shadows [GoDT]-leader

Mo/

08 Feb 2008 at 09:48 - 49

well, im personaly a guild leader, and never seen anyone having problems with officers... is because i usualy get to know a person who would be officer in front, not just a blind pick or someone who joins says: "can i be officer? i recruit well" - this usualy result in instant kick to twho ask this right away... i think that guild with such officers just sux badly

anyway, dont you think this should belong to guild discussion section?

bel unbreakable

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

scotland

shadow hunters of light

W/Mo

08 Feb 2008 at 10:31 - 50

15 guilds in 6 months and your always inocent that dont sound right one things for sure 2 mins in the door and telling an officer to shut up will get you kicked in most guilds

alot of guilds have a 2week rule to protect their members from idiots and from what i see its working just fine

i mean 15 guilds in 6 months your kidding right

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

08 Feb 2008 at 11:35 - 51

Our guild has 4 people: 3 of which I know well, the fourth is a good friend of a friend. Best guild I've been in yet.

It helps that the average age of our guild is about 25 and there's nothing close to any drama, bitching, moaning, whining, begging or demanding. It's just 4 people who want to enjoy the game, have a chat and mock the retards in Spamadan.

My suggestion would be to create a guild consisting of those who you like and trust so you can get on with the game in peace. After all, if you're only in to PvE, a guild is simply a condensed, glorified friend list.

Clarissa F

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

Fighters of the Shiverpeaks

Me/Mo

08 Feb 2008 at 11:39 - 52

Hell, 2 weeks? I know of many with a month-long trial period.

I can be an SOB, and I've never been kicked out of a guild. I could see if you were in a guild for a long time, then they broke up or changed, and you were seeking a guild with the same feeling, that it might be tough. 15 guilds over 6 months? That's just a hopper. Do you know how many hoppers a decent size guild gets? Not to mention campers who have been there a month without "logging on". It's like getting in a circle of friends or a social group. You gotta listen and get a feel for how everyone interacts, then start socializing in a friendly matter. After you are friends, you can tell someone to shut up, even, and unless they're a total choad, they'll let you know if you cross a line instead of just kicking you. Though I can understand how many who play the game lack these basic social skills. Maybe go to a club IRL?

Oh, and Coloneh? Psychology 101. Most humans don't respond well to criticism, even when you are right(warrior tanking DOES suck a$$). Especially when their officer e-peen is threatened(e-peen passed spell check!). Take them for a few matches in AB...heheh...or GvG or HA. Show the young Jedi the Master's skills. People who see the proof tend to see things better.

Jecht Scye

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Lucky Crickets[Luck]

N/Me

08 Feb 2008 at 13:11 - 53

As an officer of a pretty large guild, some people are just impossible to please. Some people extensively challenge the rules, even though they are created by the Guild Leader and not you and give you crap for doing your job as an officer - enforcing them. If an officer or Guild leader tells you to do something, oblige them. Otherwise find another guild or get kicked. I might not necessarily agree with something the Guild Leader does, but I better damn well follow their rules or I should expect a kick or demotion.

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

R/A

08 Feb 2008 at 13:24 - 54

I can't find officers that can actually recruit...

Well, without bitching that its too much work and settin up guild outings is too hard apparently

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

08 Feb 2008 at 13:43 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormDragonZ

As of right now, I'm choosing to be not in a guild. (Getting kicked out once again not too long)

Did it ever occur to you to make your own guild and then you have control over joins and who gets kicked!!!

Crom The Pale

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

Ageis Ascending

W/

08 Feb 2008 at 13:43 - 56

My guild is quiet....a little to quiet at times...I think they are planning some dastardly deed that will involve tar and feathers........

HELP!!!

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

08 Feb 2008 at 13:55 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by stretchs

My first suggestion is, stop hopping guilds. Secondly, it's quite possible you should do some background searching on the guilds you do join. And Ignore is always a handy option

Or it could be it is HE who is the one with the problem. Just coming to an open forum to whine about his issues and then telling us he told an OFFICER to SHUT UP. My spidey senses tells me he told the Officer to STFU and then was dumped. Too many QQers lately with mental problems methinks. What does he think a forum is going to do for him? lol I could care less if he can't find a guild he can stick with and futhermore if I ever heard one of my members tell one of my officers to "shut up" I'd kick him also. There is a reason some members are officers and other members should learn to "respect" those positions. If they have no respect for them then they shouldn't join a guild.

Vl Vl D

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

Australia

[DVDF]

08 Feb 2008 at 14:05 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by tmr819

The OP reminds me of something I read once: "the one thing that all of your failed relationships have in common is you."

hahaha......hahahaha

sorry.

NekoZ

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Long Island

So Goth We Crap [Bats]

08 Feb 2008 at 14:22 - 59

I've pretty much only been in guilds primarily made with the same group of friends, adding more each time.. so nope.

Pyrea

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

The Outer Rim

Initiates of Maat

08 Feb 2008 at 14:30 - 60

Dude

I think you should create your own guild, design your own cape and invite into your guild those people that you know you will get along with.

Hope that helps...

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

08 Feb 2008 at 14:55 - 61

Just don't bother with guilds unless you want to do an organized PvP. I've been guildless for over 6 months and have not missed the endless drama. The occasional craving for GvG can be addressed by any of the three or four PvP-related IRC channels out there (do some googling yourself if you care).

Taurucis

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

The edge of reason

I don't play any more.

W/E

08 Feb 2008 at 15:13 - 62

Why do you guys automatically assume that he was the one who just started telling people to STFU? What if, let's say, they were on endless bragging or ranting sprees? I mean... let's say Officer A is yelling at Member A how bad his builds are, filling up the entire alliance chat...

You don't know what went on in those guilds, so give him the benefit of the doubt. He could have been a jerk to the officers, or the officers could have been jerks to the members. Unless you were in the same guild(s) as he was, it's impossible to tell.

I have come across a corrupt officer once. I used to be in this hardcore PvP guild, they were a pretty nice bunch except for this particular officer. I think he got a bribe from some person ("Hey, kick out all the PvE scrubs in your guild and you'll get a place in my r9+ HA/GVG guild") and he went along and did it.

I used to hate him but now I just laugh at how stupid he was. Two years of maturing makes a difference.

Sha Noran

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

http://tinyurl.com/2jlusq

Idiot Savants [iQ]

R/

08 Feb 2008 at 15:18 - 63

First of all, when there's an officer talking a lot of shit and the guild leader isn't intervening, it's very likely that the guild leader agrees with the officer and is letting them do the talking to preserve their better image.

Secondly, without more information, we have no idea what you might have done to instigate the shit talking. You sound pretty self-righteous... it wouldn't surprise me if you agro'd the guy and deserved the kick.

Lastly, Guild Wars isn't that intense in many cases when it comes to guild "rank", however when someone is an officer in your guild and you are only a member, it's sort of a given that you don't just start a bunch of shit and tell everyone how so and so doesn't deserve to be an officer... especially when you're the new guy who jut got kicked out of 14 other guilds.

ValaOfTheFens

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Warrior Nation[WN]

08 Feb 2008 at 15:45 - 64

I make all mature AND active members of my guild officers. You just can't come in and expect to be treated as an equal to the officers. It just doesn't work that way. The only advice I can give the OP is to stick with a guild for a while if he cares about playing with experienced players or start his own guild and be prepared to play with less experienced players.

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

08 Feb 2008 at 15:56 - 65

If a guild can't recruit properly (which would avoid getting those sort of officers) then it's their own fault. On the other hand, if they do openly recruit in a twat-fested community that is GW, why not just make everyone officer? Nobody can be kicked by anyone but you; nobody whines to be made officer. If you're worried that they'll go and recruit tards or abuse the guild announcement (scary i know) - kick them.

Magikarp

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2007

[HAWK]

08 Feb 2008 at 17:41 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr_groovy

Actually it is pretty helpfull, maybe the way i put it was a bit crude

.

Look there's no problem to have a quarrel with an officer, but do it in whisp. Otherwise it undermines Authority, and no officer wants to look bad in front of the whole guild

them > you:

In an established Guild, Officers made their position for a Reason. They know the game well, have been playing for sometime, and will play friendly with other guildies. ^^. That's what my definition of a good officer anyways.

Them kicking the op surely has been for a reason.

sorry, but if you were an officer above me, made a big spill in ally/guild chat, then i needed to whisper talk to you to have a quarrel to make sure you dont lose face in your little "status", you've already done 3 times the amount of damage, totally making a fool out of yourself... or at least how you're looking if you act as rudely as you say you do...

when will people learn how to just be down to earth, instead of thinking every aspect of life is a rat race. i paid $200 bucks for 4 games, im not wasting a penny of it on the likes of "leaders" like yourself.

to the op again:

you have plenty of tips here. i myself went guildless for months after having a major bad run in with the leader of a certain guild of the week guild *cough*, a while back, her having some major ego problems. maybe being guildless isnt so bad... i just guested gvg a lot :P

Kos Luftar

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

Canada

Scars Meadows

W/Mo

08 Feb 2008 at 17:55 - 67

You should find out where those officers live, go to thier house and shoot them. The only logical thing to do.

Kusandaa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

08 Feb 2008 at 18:06 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Yuna

By "crap" do you mean to include suggestions like "dude, you need to chill" or rude comments like "STFU you **** sh*t"? If it's the latter sure, the player is a boot but if you kick players just because they are "giving you crap"(the first one) then: good luck enjoying your stay at playing GW my friend.

Yeah, by "crap" I meant the second one; the rude comments and such. If someone tells me to chill, which doesn't happen that often since I step out of the computer if I feel aggressive (usually after a couple attempts with different and keep failing because of one person). Other than that, there was 3 or 4 kicks maximum due to rude behavior in nearly a year - not that bad. Our last one, I believe, was a guy who told us, in a rude way, that the whole guild wasn't ready for HM after we refused to use cookie-cutter methods to finish a dungeon. Leader got annoyed and kicked him right away, since it wasn't the first time he had behaved that way.

But IMHO, it all depends how you recruit. We have a thread here, we invite friends and people we know, and we check for PUGs who'd fit in. As we screen almost everyone or get people who fit in right away, we didn't have too much problem so far - our officers are trustworthy, reponsable and have been in the guild for a rather long time.

Fluffiliscious

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

US

Gods Army of the [Dead]

E/

08 Feb 2008 at 18:15 - 69

Nope, I like both my Guild Leader and the officers all very much. They're all always very helpful.

Ghengis Kwell

Baby Maker

Join Date: Jun 2007

UK

Sent Fromhell

D/W

08 Feb 2008 at 18:22 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

95% of the GW population is [insert negative adjective here]

Thus, most people complaining about something complain about something stupid.

So if I complain about the OP then I fulfill this then ?

mr_groovy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands

No Inherent Effect [NiE]

08 Feb 2008 at 18:49 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormDragonZ

I'm getting rather annoyed of joining a guild that has that one officer who just abuses their power of being one. Whether it being a complete jerk, acting like he/she is the greatest thing in the entire GW universe, or just spamming for no reason. Over the length of time of six months, I've been in over 15 guilds that has had one of these type of officers. The guild leader ignores it all the time, and the officer just enjoys kicking out people who try to tell him/her to shut up.
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Magikarp

sorry, but if you were an officer above me, made a big spill in ally/guild chat, then i needed to whisper talk to you to have a quarrel to make sure you dont lose face in your little "status", you've already done 3 times the amount of damage, totally making a fool out of yourself... or at least how you're looking if you act as rudely as you say you do...

when will people learn how to just be down to earth, instead of thinking every aspect of life is a rat race. i paid $200 bucks for 4 games, im not wasting a penny of it on the likes of "leaders" like yourself.

Your telling me that in all 15 guilds he came across an officer that spammed, and was acting like a jerk? I think not.
As people have said 6 months / 15 guilds == +/- 15 days a guild. As a officer I'm nog going to let a 14 day member back talk me. Offcourse he will get 3 warnings. But after that /kick. He officers are not the bad people here, they are the victims

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

08 Feb 2008 at 20:27 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taurucis

Why do you guys automatically assume that he was the one who just started telling people to STFU? What if, let's say, they were on endless bragging or ranting sprees? I mean... let's say Officer A is yelling at Member A how bad his builds are, filling up the entire alliance chat...

You don't know what went on in those guilds, so give him the benefit of the doubt. He could have been a jerk to the officers, or the officers could have been jerks to the members. Unless you were in the same guild(s) as he was, it's impossible to tell.

I have come across a corrupt officer once. I used to be in this hardcore PvP guild, they were a pretty nice bunch except for this particular officer. I think he got a bribe from some person ("Hey, kick out all the PvE scrubs in your guild and you'll get a place in my r9+ HA/GVG guild") and he went along and did it.

I used to hate him but now I just laugh at how stupid he was. Two years of maturing makes a difference.

I would kick you out of my guild for arguing my point or even questioning me or my authority. When you join a guild it's like joining the army, you're in MY world now soldier and you will do as you are told.

C2K

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

08 Feb 2008 at 20:48 - 73

You know, the great thing about guild wars is its so easy to leave an abusive situation behind. All you have to do is click your name and select "Leave Guild". If you can't do that, you are a glutton for punishment and like getting kicked from guilds.

If its that bad to where you have to attack an officer and tell him/her to shut up, you probably should have been the better person and left it anyway.

Other than that, you really don't need a guild unless you plan to GvG.

Rocky Raccoon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Massachusetts, USA

Guardians of the Cosmos

R/Mo

08 Feb 2008 at 21:41 - 74

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

I would kick you out of my guild for arguing my point or even questioning me or my authority. When you join a guild it's like joining the army, you're in MY world now soldier and you will do as you are told.

People try to compensate for their real life lack of control by becoming dictators in GW. There is no need acting like a tyrant to run a guild. The definition of a guild is: an organization of persons with related interests, goals, etc., esp. one formed for mutual aid or protection. I feel the guild is for the benefit all all members, even if the leader started the guild when he enlists members they all become equal owners of that guild. No leader or officer should see themselves as above members in the guild.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

08 Feb 2008 at 22:57 - 75

Power abuse is bad.
Having authority or being better than someone skill-wise shouldn't be something to be treated differently about.

As for the "telling them to shut up" thing, i'm not surprised you're getting kicked.

Taurucis

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

The edge of reason

I don't play any more.

W/E

08 Feb 2008 at 23:25 - 76

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

I would kick you out of my guild for arguing my point or even questioning me or my authority. When you join a guild it's like joining the army, you're in MY world now soldier and you will do as you are told.

If I knew a guild was all about some insecure little kid going on power trips, I wouldn't be joining it in the first place.

Moral55

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

SNOW

E/Me

08 Feb 2008 at 23:37 - 77

Quote:

Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

If a guild can't recruit properly (which would avoid getting those sort of officers) then it's their own fault. On the other hand, if they do openly recruit in a twat-fested community that is GW, why not just make everyone officer? Nobody can be kicked by anyone but you; nobody whines to be made officer. If you're worried that they'll go and recruit tards or abuse the guild announcement (scary i know) - kick them.

The guild I am in works like that, It is by invitation only, people are held accountable, guilds allowed into the alliance are scrutinized a bit, and you spend a bit of time as a "guest" before being accepted into the guild, (before mentioned status shown via officer rank). It's allot better that way.

Kusandaa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

08 Feb 2008 at 23:53 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

I would kick you out of my guild for arguing my point or even questioning me or my authority. When you join a guild it's like joining the army, you're in MY world now soldier and you will do as you are told.

Not fond of that approach, but if it keeps harmony in your guild, fair enough. You're in your guild, I'm in mine. But as far as going to say that a guild is like the army... well I won't chase anyone (except if I know them) on why they leave. I don't tell anyone what to do, and my leader doesn't tell me what to do either. All we ask our members is not to be rude and no begging.

If my guildie tells me to "shut up", insulting someone else or anything offensive, right away I'll PM to warn them... if the guild leader hasn't talked or kicked them yet (we generally don't kick first offense, unless it degenerates really fast).

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

09 Feb 2008 at 00:33 - 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sha Noran

First of all, when there's an officer talking a lot of shit and the guild leader isn't intervening, it's very likely that the guild leader agrees with the officer and is letting them do the talking to preserve their better image.

Secondly, without more information, we have no idea what you might have done to instigate the shit talking. You sound pretty self-righteous... it wouldn't surprise me if you agro'd the guy and deserved the kick.

Lastly, Guild Wars isn't that intense in many cases when it comes to guild "rank", however when someone is an officer in your guild and you are only a member, it's sort of a given that you don't just start a bunch of shit and tell everyone how so and so doesn't deserve to be an officer... especially when you're the new guy who jut got kicked out of 14 other guilds.

/thread

I love you Sha

Mechz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

Dayton, OH

The Epic Fail Guild [EFG]

A/

09 Feb 2008 at 00:37 - 80

I feel for the OP. It's easier for most people to handle anal douchebag officers because they're mindless shells of what could be human.

I don't guildhop, since I look at the guild's cape before joining. They all look terrible. Only small (or exclusive) guilds have nice ones.