Where did all that $$$ come from? And where did it go

Lawliet Kira

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

E/Me

When guild wars first came out, noone had any cash whatsoever right? Now thousands of us have millions and million, where did all that cash come from? Did people keep picking up cash from those monsters and getting it from those missions and and built up gradually? And when you buy something from the merchant where does all that cash go? Does it dissapear??

Shadow Kurd

Shadow Kurd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Netherlands

Scouts of Tyria

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Time
Nothing to spend on
Ecto's
55hp

Although i myself only have 50k, I cant figure out where ppl get stacks of ecto and 1000k

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

It's because you have no idea how to make cash.

Selling crap drops to merchant = cash
Crafting materials used to = cash (5 wood+20g=parchment=300g=profit)
Trading
Farming

etc

It's not hard to make cash. Most are too lazy, or unwilling to put in the time/effort.

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

Yeah nothing worth buying anymore so it starts to accumulate. This is what is bad about a world that does not evolve like the other mmorpgs. In their worlds there is always that special weapon or item to go after. But, in the GW world there isn't anything beyond 15^50 or +30hp and the likes of those to get and once you have them there's nothing else to spend your money on except LOOKS and most people aren't into LOOKS they are into POWER. That's why there's going to be a GW2 to hopefully put a lot of that back into this world. At least 10x more that what we have now.

Dante the Warlord

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

W/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Sonya
Yeah nothing worth buying anymore so it starts to accumulate. This is what is bad about a world that does not evolve like the other mmorpgs. In their worlds there is always that special weapon or item to go after. But, in the GW world there isn't anything beyond 15^50 or +30hp and the likes of those to get and once you have them there's nothing else to spend your money on except LOOKS and most people aren't into LOOKS they are into POWER. That's why there's going to be a GW2 to hopefully put a lot of that back into this world. At least 10x more that what we have now.
thats not true a lot of ppl are into looks, although power>looks, looks are very important IMHO same reason people go for obsidian armor and elite armor, all for looks

Stormlord Alex

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Join Date: Dec 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Sonya
Yeah nothing worth buying anymore so it starts to accumulate. This is what is bad about a world that does not evolve like the other mmorpgs. In their worlds there is always that special weapon or item to go after. But, in the GW world there isn't anything beyond 15^50 or +30hp and the likes of those to get and once you have them there's nothing else to spend your money on except LOOKS and most people aren't into LOOKS they are into POWER. That's why there's going to be a GW2 to hopefully put a lot of that back into this world. At least 10x more that what we have now.
Someone missed the entire point of GW's equipment setup.

WoW is that way -->

Ohh, and on-topic - trading, farming, luck, and being there for the next big thing (as an example, I got a Murakai's Reaver almost as soon as GW:EN came out. Offloaded it in ~2 minutes for 60k because I felt lazy... now, Reavers are a fraction of that price)

Sir Seifus Halbred

Sir Seifus Halbred

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Malice Black
It's because you have no idea how to make cash.
Rude to him, much?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Malice Black
It's not hard to make cash. Most are too lazy, or unwilling to put in the time/effort.
Or maybe *gasp* just maybe did you ever think that some people just don't have the time. Or some people do go out and try to make cash (farming, merchanting, etc) but it doesn't always work out for them?

Reflect

Reflect

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2007

Varna,Bulgaria

Glob Of Ectospasm [GoE]

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duping
duping more
duping some more

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
Someone missed the entire point of GW's equipment setup.

WoW is that way -->

Ohh, and on-topic - trading, farming, luck, and being there for the next big thing (as an example, I got a Murakai's Reaver almost as soon as GW:EN came out. Offloaded it in ~2 minutes for 60k because I felt lazy... now, Reavers are a fraction of that price)
I sold 10 ambers for 100k so what's your point? lmao Also, IGMO this thread is about why so many people have a lot of money now, not about WOW or what GW's equipment intentions were. Learn to read and comprehend. It's because there is NOTHING worth IMPROVING our characters with IGMO.

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

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Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Sonya
Yeah nothing worth buying anymore so it starts to accumulate. This is what is bad about a world that does not evolve like the other mmorpgs. In their worlds there is always that special weapon or item to go after. But, in the GW world there isn't anything beyond 15^50 or +30hp and the likes of those to get and once you have them there's nothing else to spend your money on except LOOKS and most people aren't into LOOKS they are into POWER. That's why there's going to be a GW2 to hopefully put a lot of that back into this world. At least 10x more that what we have now.
It's is called power creep. One of things that is very wrong with traditional MMOs

And thanks god, gw1 does not have one (at least as far as equip is concerned)

/as you see, not everyone is into power, becaue it is poitnless as far as game mechanics are concerned. Your weapon of uberness with 1000 DPS will kill 10k hitpoints just as fast as weapon with 1DPS will kill 10 hp monster. only reall difference is ones e-peen and physical inability of casuals to do some content. Neither is really healthy for game./

Stoneys Rock

Stoneys Rock

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Join Date: Jul 2006

Wales, United Kingdom

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Seifus Halbred
Rude to him, much?


Or maybe *gasp* just maybe did you ever think that some people just don't have the time. Or some people do go out and try to make cash (farming, merchanting, etc) but it doesn't always work out for them?
Troll Much? (couldn't resist)
he wasn't being rude he was just explaining to him, also to be strictly honest is most of it is down to being lazy, although there are some exceptions.

Also Iding gold runes that hardly can fetch 10g could make it 100-300g not to mention iding white drops can yield anything from 50g-120g a pop. Doing just missions and just doing that can get you a tidy bit on the side without having to put much effort in.

freaky naughty

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Mo/N

Well, most of the gold comes from people who farm too much and play the actual game too little.

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by zwei2stein
It's is called power creep. One of things that is very wrong with traditional MMOs

And thanks god, gw1 does not have one (at least as far as equip is concerned)

/as you see, not everyone is into power, becaue it is poitnless as far as game mechanics are concerned. Your weapon of uberness with 1000 DPS will kill 10k hitpoints just as fast as weapon with 1DPS will kill 10 hp monster. only reall difference is ones e-peen and physical inability of casuals to do some content. Neither is really healthy for game./
Uh huh that's why WOW is the LEADING MMORPG in the world with Lineage and Lineage II not far behind? hahaha Unhealthy lol you really should think up some better reasons than that, because the casual carebears put in some pretty unhealthy time into GW if that is so. hahahaha what a loser.

Master Knightfall

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2007

I agree with Red Sonya. Because there is no character advancement this game gets boring and old pretty fast and you soon find there's not much to spend your money on. For whatever reason and purpose it is used the carrot in front of the horse method is still highly popular and the most accepted form of rpging online these days used by the majority of online rpgs as well. Gw is just an outcast that wanted and is different, but, the newness is wearing thin and without advancement these types of games just go downhill pretty fast.

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Seifus Halbred
Rude to him, much?
No. Simple fact.

isamu kurosawa

isamu kurosawa

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

United Kingdom

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Knightfall
I agree with Red Sonya. Because there is no character advancement this game gets boring and old pretty fast and you soon find there's not much to spend your money on. For whatever reason and purpose it is used the carrot in front of the horse method is still highly popular and the most accepted form of rpging online these days used by the majority of online rpgs as well. Gw is just an outcast that wanted and is different, but, the newness is wearing thin and without advancement these types of games just go downhill pretty fast.
No, GW was designed to appeal to those who didn't like such a method but unfortunatly attracted alot of custom from those who do. The system is what it is, the people it was aimed at enjoy a balanced game with no uber weapons.

No matter what they say, those who don't like such a system should play a different game as gw is clearly not to their taste.

Nyktos

Nyktos

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Join Date: Jun 2007

The Nyktos Guild [win]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Sonya
Uh huh that's why WOW is the LEADING MMORPG in the world with Lineage and Lineage II not far behind? hahaha Unhealthy lol you really should think up some better reasons than that, because the casual carebears put in some pretty unhealthy time into GW if that is so. hahahaha what a loser.
If WoW is so much better, go play it. One of the main attractions to GW is that you can actually get good equipment without spending hours playing.

freaky naughty

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Mo/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Sonya
Uh huh that's why WOW is the LEADING MMORPG in the world with Lineage and Lineage II not far behind? hahaha Unhealthy lol you really should think up some better reasons than that, because the casual carebears put in some pretty unhealthy time into GW if that is so. hahahaha what a loser.
Just because everyone and everyone's dog plays WoW doesn't mean it's a better game. If that's true then go play WoW and stop posting on GW forums. Power creep means that whoever plays every momeny of every day of every week of every month of every year is gonna be the best player. GW was supposed to be opposed to that hence all weapons are the same, no going beyond level 20, etc.

Ku Ku

Ku Ku

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

England

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Rt/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Malice Black
It's because you have no idea how to make cash.

Selling crap drops to merchant = cash
Crafting materials used to = cash (5 wood+20g=parchment=300g=profit)
Trading
Farming

etc

It's not hard to make cash. Most are too lazy, or unwilling to put in the time/effort.

I agree, theres a lot of people in my guild who simply discard greens that are worth 5k or less, where as i will generally try to sell them and if they dont go after two weeks then i give them to new players....

I always pick up my whites, blues and purples the amount of people that dont astound me! A full invent of whites and blues from a level 20 area is worth 2-3k normally!

Its the little things that build up - noticing materials prices is a good one, feather farming for example is quick and easy and gets quite good money atm!

Turtle222

Turtle222

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

:D:D

D/W

when you have nothing left to spend your money on, it just goes in the bank.

I'm rich, so i give away stuff. Not to the greedy, or anyone on GWG, but that lvl 3 ranger that just came fresh out of shing jea, wondering where the armourer is. If not, Play what you play mostly - other games/hobbies (TF2!)

mage767

mage767

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

USA

LOVE

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Although I love GW a lot and have a stacks of ectos, cash and elite weapons, I can't get back into the game in the same way as before - because there is nothing more left to do that to grind for more titles (I have 15 right now, which I find to be sufficient).

If weapons were elite, they should vary in BOTH looks and power. This is one reason why my friend argued with me and left for WOW. He now tells me it was the best decision he has ever made. I then tried out WOW and although there were a lot of elements that bugged me at first, I think it had WAY lot more features than GW.

Getting back to topic, there are tons of rich players in the game. Power trading and elite PvE are faster ways of making money, but ocourse there are other ways (duping? I don't think it's gone away fully) of making money.

AuraofMana

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Georgia, US

Quote:
One of the main attractions to GW is that you can actually get good equipment without spending hours playing.
No comment.

Quote:
Just because everyone and everyone's dog plays WoW doesn't mean it's a better game.
Last time I checked, better game = more fun = more people play it. So you can come up with a valid reason why GW is the best game ever but do not have the biggest population.
*Waits for "omg only smarter people play GW and there aren't that many smart people*

What Guild Wars said to deliver was that skill > time, and thus this type of crappy items were developed. Then, after only 2 years, the game completely shifted around with the introduction of titles. They end up worse than level grinding/weapon farming because they don't actually give you tangible bonuses. People began to lose interest, and GW goes downhill.
This is why GW2 sounds suspiciously like WOW.
If you still think GW style of gameplay is the best, well that's your opinion. Just don't look forward to GW2.

spookycloud

spookycloud

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Join Date: Dec 2007

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It is all the duping of armbraces.A guy in grotto showed me 7 stacks of armbraces and he told me he had like another 50 stacks or even more.He told me that he and a couple of his buddys work in a group and pass the armbraces around between the other players.He can make around 500 armbraces within 1 hour.He did not tell me any other information about how he does the duping process though.I think this will become a problem if this guy starts selling these at 100k or just buy's rare minipets with these.I cant remember his name I think it started with a k though,but I remember he was a male warrior wearing obsidian armor and chaos gloves.I wish I could have taken a screenshot of this I was just drooling when I saw this and it was like 2 a.m. at the time.

Stormlord Alex

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

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Soul of Melandru [sOm]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Sonya
I sold 10 ambers for 100k so what's your point? lmao Also, IGMO this thread is about why so many people have a lot of money now, not about WOW or what GW's equipment intentions were. Learn to read and comprehend. It's because there is NOTHING worth IMPROVING our characters with IGMO.
You totally missed my point.
Bravo on being clueless as usual.

And just for the lulz...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Sonya
Uh huh that's why WOW is the LEADING MMORPG in the world with Lineage and Lineage II not far behind?
Doom metal is better than nearly all the 'popular' shit that you call music, and has a much smaller fanbase. lolol

Sir Seifus Halbred

Sir Seifus Halbred

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

In before this thread gets closed...

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

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Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

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The reason people prefer WoW is obviously for the great graphics and the outstanding PvP. Oh yeah, and the fabulous sound. The lag-free cities. Mounts! What is map travel compared to five minutes on a mount? The internet IS for porn, anyway. Hmmm... What was the question again?

Witchblade

Witchblade

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Join Date: May 2005

another thread about cash that will prolly join the other locked one soon ^^

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by AuraofMana
Last time I checked, better game = more fun = more people play it. So you can come up with a valid reason why GW is the best game ever but do not have the biggest population.
You have your causation mixed up, a common logical falicy.
If A cause B which causes C, that does not mean C causes B causes A


A better game will lead to more fun which will lead to more people playing it.
That does not mean more people playing it leads to more fun which leads to a better game.

As an example, the number 1 selling computer game of all time is "The Sims 2." Most computer game fans and game reviewers will agree that that is not the best game of all time.

cooldude33806

cooldude33806

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Join Date: Jun 2006

Texas, and New Mexico

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
The reason people prefer WoW is obviously for the great graphics and the outstanding PvP. Oh yeah, and the fabulous sound. The lag-free cities. Mounts! What is map travel compared to five minutes on a mount? The internet IS for porn, anyway. Hmmm... What was the question again?
I am sorry but I played WoW for about 4 months during my guild wars break (horrible idea and a waste of money) I got sick of the graphics, my stomach got sick just because of the graphics, IMHO guild wars graphics kick the snot out of WoW's graphics...

Witchblade

Witchblade

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Join Date: May 2005

irony? ring a bell?

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

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Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

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It's spooky how prophetic the post before mine was.

Thorondor Port

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Join Date: Jul 2006

British Columbia

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OP: Are you for real? Do you seriously wonder how people got rich?
You can only prosper by playing.

STUOPID THREAD

MisterB

MisterB

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Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Malice Black
It's because you have no idea how to make cash.

Selling crap drops to merchant = cash
Crafting materials used to = cash (5 wood+20g=parchment=300g=profit)
Trading
Farming

etc

It's not hard to make cash. Most are too lazy, or unwilling to put in the time/effort.
This post is win. I only do 1, 2, and 4. I only spend gold on skills, armor, and hero equipment. Never had less than 300K since Factions.

Zeek Aran

Zeek Aran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Earth, sadly

BORK

A/

Another "how do I make money" thread and a bunch of people saying dumb things like everyone who is rich used exploits, yes?

/close

pkodyssey

pkodyssey

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

In a cardboard box with Internet

The Order of the Frozen Tundra (TofT)

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Hmmmm. Let me think;

2+ years of game play
Not wasting it on Golds, 15K armor, FOW, Title hunting
Farming
Getting R12 in Kurzick

Did I miss anything?

Come on.... Stupid question, please close now!

+1 opportunity

Just to add...

I have to believe that Anet did NOT get all the people that duped, but the majority got slammed. The smart ones probably used secondary accounts and then transfered off to multiple tertiary accounts before re-consolidating to a primary.

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

As much as you don't believe it, it's true - - -

Duping and gold sellers have truly jacked up the amount of money people have in this game.

BLOODGOAT

BLOODGOAT

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2007

long a

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyktos
One of the main attractions to GW is that you can actually get good equipment without spending hours playing.
This is actually the reason I started playing Guild Wars again instead of Diablo 2. I had experience in both of them, although much more extensive experience in Diablo 2, but most of that "experience" was just MFing Andy and Meph all day and sticking a few sets of 20 CS runs in-between, plus the ever hated realm down.

Lawliet Kira

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by spookycloud
It is all the duping of armbraces.A guy in grotto showed me 7 stacks of armbraces and he told me he had like another 50 stacks or even more.He told me that he and a couple of his buddys work in a group and pass the armbraces around between the other players.He can make around 500 armbraces within 1 hour.He did not tell me any other information about how he does the duping process though.I think this will become a problem if this guy starts selling these at 100k or just buy's rare minipets with these.I cant remember his name I think it started with a k though,but I remember he was a male warrior wearing obsidian armor and chaos gloves.I wish I could have taken a screenshot of this I was just drooling when I saw this and it was like 2 a.m. at the time.

Hmmmm......that story about the guy with 7 stacks armbraces sounds alot familiar with the other thread i posted

Darkobra

Darkobra

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Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot

E/Me

I caught a hydra once. Hydra have always existed and it put the salmon fishermen out of business.

And that's a watered down version of the duping crap I hear on Guru every time a "How do I make money?" thread is open.

One person asks how to make money, one person jokes duping, another follows it up with how dupers are real, Anet is the son of satan and people like Red Sonya, who probably got kicked from a raid for ninjaing again, come to vent their frustration.

Zeek Aran

Zeek Aran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Earth, sadly

BORK

A/

Seriously people.

Probably 10% of the "uber rich" made their money from exploits. I highly doubt a larger percentage became rich unfairly and got away with it.