suggestion on gaming mouse and game pad

Red Devil

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Feb 2008

been looking for a gaming mouse and game pad to replace the mouse and keyboard I have. so many out there to choose from, anybody have any suggestions?

ImaCharginMahLazor!

ImaCharginMahLazor!

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Feb 2008

How much do you want to spend?

I have a Razer Copperhead and am very happy with it. It fits both right AND left handed people, its comfortable, has many buttons you can set, vista 32 & 64 bit driver support, and the lights on the mouse look great. The Razer logo on the mouse has a cool pulsing effect.

Any Razer should be just fine but if your right handed, I would go with Logitech MX518 or Logitech VX Revolution or Logitech MX Revolution. All great mice, especialy the MX. Cant give u a personal review cus ive never owned any of these n im left handed.

I myself use a Razer eXactMat Mouse Pad. May feel wierd at first but you get use to it. I think its very comfortable and the paded part never loses its shape, it just kinda formed to my wrist. The pad offers a good amount of space to work with but isnt too big, just right. N best of all, its better for you to use then any normal mouse pad (less chance of geting carpal tunnel ).

Icemat mouse pads are pretty nice. Made out of glass to make u feel more technical and classy. Kinda the same concept of having a glass bong over an acrylic or plastic.

lordpwn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

R/

I'd recommend the Logitech MX518. It isn't significantly less accurate than some much more expensive laser-based mice; actually, on some surfaces it may be _more_ accurate, and it's pretty comfortable to use.

I've used both the MX518 and the Logitech G5 and I'd get an MX518 if I was buying a new one as the only non-superficial difference I've noted is that the G5's fancy tiltwheel sucks.

Oukanna

Oukanna

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Ancient Shaolin Guardians

E/D

I have the Razer Guild wars mouse (deathadder reskin)

It works great for me, feels nice, fits the hand, smooth and quick. Also the guild wars logo pulsates slowly ^____^

pkodyssey

pkodyssey

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

In a cardboard box with Internet

The Order of the Frozen Tundra (TofT)

N/

Logitech G5 is the only way to go.

DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM RAZER!!!

It will stop working on you for no apparent reason. There stuff is great and then just failz. I have tried 3 different products from them and have not been happy. STAY AWAY...

KZaske

KZaske

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Boise Idaho

Druids Of Old (DOO)

R/Mo

pkodyssey reports trouble with Razer mice, I have never had that happen to me yet. I have however had every Logitech mouse I have owned fail within three months.
I think everyone has bad luck, but six different mice, four different models says a lot. I have not owned a Logitech mouse in the last three years. For Guild Wars, almost any mouse will work. I use the DeathAdder reskin mentioned above, love it and it has worked flawlessly for the last several months.

Mr Pink57

Mr Pink57

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

a van down by the river

iBench

P/W

I own a deathadder that I preordered months in advance,and a mx518. I gave the adder to my mother :/ Ive almost worn out this 518 but I cannot give it up. I use a eXact Mat Hybrid its nice because its washable and gives the glass mat feel but rolls up.

pink

isamu kurosawa

isamu kurosawa

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

United Kingdom

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by pkodyssey
Logitech G5 is the only way to go.

DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM RAZER!!!

It will stop working on you for no apparent reason. There stuff is great and then just failz. I have tried 3 different products from them and have not been happy. STAY AWAY...
In my opinion razer mice are the longest lasting gaming mice. They also seem to be the only company that can design a decent mouse for left-handed use unlike logitech.

Lurid

Lurid

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/

I recommend going to a brick and mortar store, and getting an idea of which styles you like. Some people prefer the smaller (imo uncomfortable) razers, and others prefer larger mice like the MX518 (<3) (Thats a broad generalization of course, there are more styles)

Comfort is more important than almost any other factor when it comes to buying a mouse, imo.

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

As for gamepads, I like my Ideazon Fang gamepad. Works well for me, extremely convenient layout, easy configuration, auto-detects which game you are in and loads the appropriate settings, lets you keep your exisiting keyboard, works for left and right handed people. Some people take issue with the "plasticy" feel and construction, and lack confidence in its durability. I have not had mine long enough to comment on reliability, and I will not deny that it is not up to "pro gamer" construction standards. But I like it, and it's pretty cheap.

I know someone with an Ideazon Merc keyboard, they are pretty happy with it. The Fang that I have is basically just the gaming part of the Merc in a stand-alone device. I guess the same criticisms apply as the Fang.

pkodyssey

pkodyssey

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

In a cardboard box with Internet

The Order of the Frozen Tundra (TofT)

N/

Don't get me wrong WHEN the Razers work, they are super nice. The size is great for bigger hands, but my track record with them is dubious. My G5 has given me absolutely no issues, and the balance is excellent.

h9dlb

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Leeds England

W/

logitech 1000 is best by far as it effectively has 11 programmable buttons if u include the scroll wheel - thats more configurable controls than any other mouse on the market. This is especially good for FPS games

The Way Out

The Way Out

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

In my peanut brain

Zomg Zombies [OMG]

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by pkodyssey
Logitech G5 is the only way to go.

DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM RAZER!!!

It will stop working on you for no apparent reason. There stuff is great and then just failz. I have tried 3 different products from them and have not been happy. STAY AWAY...
LOL... pkodyssey... it seems you and I will forever be on opposing sides of the gaming mouse battlefield... lol

Razer Copperhead FTW!!!

To the OP: There are other posts in this forum concerning gaming mice.

pkodyssey

pkodyssey

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

In a cardboard box with Internet

The Order of the Frozen Tundra (TofT)

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Way Out
LOL... pkodyssey... it seems you and I will forever be on opposing sides of the gaming mouse battlefield... lol

Razer Copperhead FTW!!!

To the OP: There are other posts in this forum concerning gaming mice.
My first gaming mouse was a Cooperhead. The blue flashy flashy was uber! I absolutely loved that thing. Then it went south. What can I say? I really wish I had a better review. I hate to knock anything, but...

The Way Out

The Way Out

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

In my peanut brain

Zomg Zombies [OMG]

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by pkodyssey
My first gaming mouse was a Cooperhead. The blue flashy flashy was uber! I absolutely loved that thing. Then it went south. What can I say? I really wish I had a better review. I hate to knock anything, but...
lol... I have had it far over a year now, only problem came after a Vista Ultimate upgrade. I lost all funtion of the programmable buttons and the software wasn't detecting the mouse. The mouse still worked, however, I couldn't program the buttons. All I had to do was unplug the mouse, uninstall the software, restart the system, install the software, and plug the mouse back in... POOF!!! magic! FTW!!!

BabyJ

BabyJ

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Illinois

SFG

Mo/

I use a Logitech G15 keyboard and a Logitech G5 mouse and a Flexiglow acrylic mouse pad. I had a RaiderX mouse before this one and LOVED it, but after 3 or so years of gaming abuse it finally clunked out on me.

Pasha the Mighty

Pasha the Mighty

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

South Park, Colorado

OtDL

D/A

I have a Bluetooth Logitech MX5000 keyboard set (wireless keyboard and wireless MX1000 laser mouse). It looks really good, but I hate the logitech software, and sometimes it loses connection. When it works properly though, it works very well.

Quaker

Quaker

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Aug 2005

Canada

Brothers Disgruntled

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Devil
been looking for a gaming mouse and game pad to replace the mouse and keyboard I have. so many out there to choose from, anybody have any suggestions?
As far as a mouse pad is concerned, I've had the best success (with optical mice) with those plain, cloth covered pads with the foam backing. Of course, mouse pads aren't really needed for most mice - they really were originally intended just to give a good, flat, clutter-free surface for ball mice.

I don't think you need any sort of fancy mouse to play Guild Wars. I use an MX518 at the moment, but that's partly because of playing other games (FPS) that require a good mouse. I also like using one of the thumb buttons (the rear one) for "target closest enemy" ("C").
Btw, if you get something like an MX518, try using it without running the "driver" that comes with it. I've had problems when using the driver, and WindowsXP (and, I assume, Vista) will recognize all the buttons without a driver. There's no need to go through the step of assigning a thumb-button to "C", for example, Guild wars will find the button as "mouse4" (or mouse5, etc.)

The Way Out

The Way Out

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

In my peanut brain

Zomg Zombies [OMG]

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaker
As far as a mouse pad is concerned, I've had the best success with those plain, cloth covered pads with the foam backing. Of course, mouse pads aren't really needed for most mice - they really were originally intended just to give a good, flat, clutter-free surface for ball mice.
/agreed... although I would now argue the case for mouse pads in three areas... first person shooters, CAD programs, and graphical editing programs. If you have an optical mouse, go with a hard covered mousepad because they work much better than cloth micepads. If you have a mouse with a ball (who doesn anymore?), go with a clothpad because you get better traction. Most optical mice now are led based ones and pretty durable and adaptable to any surface. I use a black hard-leather mousepad just because it fits friggin perfect on my keyboard tray.

Quaker

Quaker

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Aug 2005

Canada

Brothers Disgruntled

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Way Out
.. first person shooters, .... If you have an optical mouse, go with a hard covered mousepad because they work much better than cloth micepads.
Actually, it was while trying to get a mouse pad that worked good in Team Fortress Classic, with my MX510 optical, that led me to use a plain black cloth covered one. Almost every other pad caused me to randomly spin around in circles.

Now I use an MX518 with a plain cloth mouse pad imprinted with a black & white photo.

But, in the long run it comes down to - whatever works!

The Way Out

The Way Out

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

In my peanut brain

Zomg Zombies [OMG]

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaker
Actually, it was while trying to get a mouse pad that worked good in Team Fortress Classic, with my MX510 optical, that led me to use a plain black cloth covered one. Almost every other pad caused me to randomly spin around in circles.

Now I use an MX518 with a plain cloth mouse pad imprinted with a black & white photo.

But, in the long run it comes down to - whatever works!
That was an optical mouse prior to LED ones now, correct?

Horseman Of War

Horseman Of War

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

The Cult of Doom

P/

I use a Razer Krait and a black Icemat. Probably newer mouses out from Razer... but any should be good. Dont get the Icemat unless you do in fact get a good (high dpi) mouse.

Pasha the Mighty

Pasha the Mighty

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

South Park, Colorado

OtDL

D/A

if you need a cheap, yet good one get a QcK steelpad or steelmat, dont remember the name. They're made of cloth, but the bottom is total anti-slip, and it works really well

xiaotsu

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Doomlore Shrine

Just Us Gamers [JUGs]

R/

I love my Logitech G5, but I think it's time to upgrade to a new one ^.^

Hammerhil

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Sep 2005

I have burned through 2 MX518s. I am not a heavy clicker, but the left mouse button seems to die on me after about a year of use. I went to a local PC store about a month ago and picked up an MS/Razer Habu.

I love it. The switch DPI on the fly is great for FPS and it has interchangeable thumb buttons to better fit your hand. Mine fits me like a glove and the settings for it are simple to change. It has an easy profile builder too. About the only complaint I have is that for a game like GW I would prefer to remap the DPI switch buttons to something else, but those 2 buttons have limited customizability. Otherwise an amazingly comfortable, precise mouse. Keep in mind that this is a mouse designed for right handed use only, though.

And it glows blue, just like my Logitech G15 Keyboard.

_June

_June

Guest

Join Date: Sep 2007

Denmark

{MM}

Mo/

I currently use a razer Lachesis, never been a real fan of logitech or wireless mice.

Roybe

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2007

Third Element

W/

Razer for the win! I had a Logitech 518 and did shed a few tears when it died!

Game pad: I use the N52 Speedpad by Belkin. Fully customizable interface and generally enough keys to keep anyone happy.

lord_shar

lord_shar

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

near SF, CA

from http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0250108&page=3

Quote:
Originally Posted by lord_shar
I've purchased quite a few gaming mice... here is my take on them:

Wireless mice: forget about them... too much mouse lag lol.

Razer Diamondback - narrow design allows for quick, agile response. Despite its older design age, it would have been perfect had the two side thumb buttons been given two separate plastic plastic covers (pressing any side button too hard activated the other button contact). No hardware DPI adjustment buttons. However, the Diamondback is still one of the best mice I've used shape-wise.

Razer Copperhead - narrow design allows for quick, agile response. However, the mouse's platform base is so narrow compared to the top of the mouse that sqeezing the mouse's sides tends to lift the mouse off the table. Not good for aim stability purposes. No hardware DPI adjustment buttons.

Razer Death Adder - clean, crisp ergonomic design makes this another solid choice. However, for Hellgate London players, the optical sensor seems to have threshold issues (if you don't move the mouse fast enough, cursor movement does not register correctly on the screen). If you won't ever play HGL, then this mouse should be fine. No hardware DPI adjustment buttons.

Razer Habu - very similar look/feel to the Death Adder. Unlike the Death Adder, the Habu features hardware DPI switching and no optical sensor stall issues. It also has adjustable side buttons, but unfortunately these side buttons flex and creak like crazy. If you want a solid feeling mouse, stay away from this one.

Razer Lachesis - narrow design allows for quick, agile response like the Diamondback. 4000 DPI optical sensor is currently the best on the market. The biggest problem I found was that the mouse button5 (the side forward button) was positioned on the widened front wedge of the mouse. This made pressing that side button tend to push or "squirt the mouse forward out of the user's hands. I really wish Razer would take more time designing their mouse ergonomics properly instead for going for good looks alone. This mouse had such promise, but each time I use it, my hand ends up hurting after half an hour of UT3 game time.

Microsoft Sidewinder - pretty good design for large-hand users. Its high rear arch did lead to some ergo/comfort issues, but otherwise it was pretty good. Hardware DPI switching and adjustable weights make this mouse a pretty safe bet.

Logitech G5 - Venerable penut shaped ergo design. Very popular, supports hardware DPI switching. Unfortunately it gave me comfort problems due to its raised edges along the front of the mouse.

Logitech G9 - My current favorite mouse, though it has a number of odd-ball issues. 3200 dpi with hardware DPI switching and mouse wheel side-scroll is nice. It supports macros and has adjustable weights + grip shells. Unfortunately these shells hold the inner mouse a bit loose, leading to a squishy/flexy feel when gripped hard. I had to install adhesive felt pads on the inside of the shells to remove this excess play. The gray matte finish starts showing wear-marks after several days of use, so I covered the buttons with clear contact paper. Also, the satin wide grip started to peel unexpectedly after a few weeks, so now I'm using the narrow, hard plastic grip. Logitech is supposedly planning on selling aftermarket G9 grip shells, but I still see no signs of their actual release. UPDATE: I just visited Logitech's site and found replacement grips now being sold at $5.00 USD each. I ordered two just to be safe.

Sorry for being so wordy, but you wanted mouse reviews, so there they are...
Just obtained + reviewed...

Ideazon Reaper Edge: Excellent mouse, one of the best I've used to date. Very comfortable ergo-shape. Optics are free of that HGL-movement-lag I mentioned in my last review post on the Death Adder. Although this 3200-DPI mouse only has one DPI-adjuster button, the design works perfectly fine. Top is covered with a smooth carbon-fiber surface and clear-coated, so this should stand up to general wear and abuse. My Logi-G9's gray matte finish is already showing shiny spots where my fingers make contact with the mouse buttons. Although the Reaper's Edge has no adjustable weights, I tend to prefer lighter mice config's for quick movement. The unusual side thumb buttons' placement is a little quirky, but I've quickly adapted to their positions.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pkodyssey
Logitech G5 is the only way to go.

DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM RAZER!!!

It will stop working on you for no apparent reason. There stuff is great and then just failz. I have tried 3 different products from them and have not been happy. STAY AWAY...
I did have one Diamondback that failed due to an internal wire-break at the mouse cord, but Razer promptly replaced it with a new one. Otherwise, all of my mice listed above are still working fine.

Surena

Surena

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

N/Me

I had 3 failing Razer mice so far. Not a an attractive thing to consider.

As for gamepads there can only be the XBOX 360, unless you mean a mouse pad. Then I'd say you use that oldschool Func Pad or get those Mantis Control/Speed (less chance to fail for Razer).

lord_shar

lord_shar

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

near SF, CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Surena
I had 3 failing Razer mice so far. Not a an attractive thing to consider.

As for gamepads there can only be the XBOX 360, unless you mean a mouse pad. Then I'd say you use that oldschool Func Pad or get those Mantis Control/Speed (less chance to fail for Razer).
Which Razer model(s) broke on you?

Surena

Surena

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

N/Me

Razer Diamondback Red - after 1 year
Razer Death Adder - shortly before 6 months ended, got replaced by -->
Razer Copperhead Blue - after 2 months I could occasionally only reach half of my desktop since the mouse refused to go up and cut a diagonale. Only a reset would help. Updating the firmware doesn't work unfortunately (which is important for Vista and Suspend Modes).

Out of all of them the "Death Adder" was clearly the best mouse I ever used. Reaching the side buttons is so much better than on all other models.

Somehow I can't resist going back to Razer.
Seem to work for others and there's always bad luck (mentioned the tripple P35 desaster in another thread ).

lord_shar

lord_shar

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

near SF, CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Surena
Razer Diamondback Red - after 1 year
Razer Death Adder - shortly before 6 months ended, got replaced by -->
Razer Copperhead Blue - after 2 months I could occasionally only reach half of my desktop since the mouse refused to go up and cut a diagonale. Only a reset would help. Updating the firmware doesn't work unfortunately (which is important for Vista and Suspend Modes).

Out of all of them the "Death Adder" was clearly the best mouse I ever used. Reaching the side buttons is so much better than on all other models.

Somehow I can't resist going back to Razer.
Seem to work for others and there's always bad luck (mentioned the tripple P35 desaster in another thread ).
Yeah, Razer's optics are usually pretty good, but only their Death Adder and Habu models have that proper ergo-shape. I only hope they make another Death Adder style model with hardware DPI adjustment buttons. In the meantime, the Ideazon Reaper Edge is my mouse of choice.

oracleofwoe

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

CNFC

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by _June
I currently use a razer Lachesis, never been a real fan of logitech or wireless mice.
also been using a Lachesis lately and by FAR the best mouse i've ever had

Dono

Dono

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2008

Cleethorpes

We Like To Spank Your [Mum]

Mo/

Well I have the Microsoft Habu Gaming mouse, had it for about 2 months now. Its smooth and fast responding, it also has on-the-fly dpi switching which is allways nice even tho pretty much useless for guild wars On the plus side it has 7 programable buttons which can be alot of use and up to 5 profiles which can be customised for different games. Oh and it doesnt have a retarded uncomfortable shape like the G5

lord_shar

lord_shar

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

near SF, CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dono
Well I have the Microsoft Habu Gaming mouse, had it for about 2 months now. Its smooth and fast responding, it also has on-the-fly dpi switching which is allways nice even tho pretty much useless for guild wars On the plus side it has 7 programable buttons which can be alot of use and up to 5 profiles which can be customised for different games. Oh and it doesnt have a retarded uncomfortable shape like the G5
I had the Habu... it was a good mouse, but that spring-loaded removable side button assembly was too flexy for me. Otherwise it was a great performer.

h9dlb

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Leeds England

W/

update on this thread - My MX1000 sadly died after 2 years of pounding

I got a Razer Lachesis at the weekend which is supposed to be the best gaming mouse available - however its absolutely awful - buttons that are too sensitive, buttons badly placed, 2 buttons on the right hand side that are impossible to use and the cursor jumps all over the screen.

Gonna take it back and swap it for another MX1000

Dono

Dono

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2008

Cleethorpes

We Like To Spank Your [Mum]

Mo/

Not to sound to patronising, but if you installed the software and got the right updates for it you wouldnt have any problems. But yeh the buttons on the right hand side is for left handed gamers. Nice thought seems the majority of gaming mouses are for right handed people.

And the only good wireless gaming mouse is the G7. MX1000 Ftl.

Ec]-[oMaN

Ec]-[oMaN

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Toronto, Ont.

[DT][pT][jT][Grim][Nion]

W/

Pretty decent mouse pad...
http://www.rocketfishproducts.com/pc...pad-black.aspx

Issac

Issac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Earthrealm

W/A

I got the Logitech MX518 and its really nice, its worth getting.

lord_shar

lord_shar

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

near SF, CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by h9dlb
update on this thread - My MX1000 sadly died after 2 years of pounding

I got a Razer Lachesis at the weekend which is supposed to be the best gaming mouse available - however its absolutely awful - buttons that are too sensitive, buttons badly placed, 2 buttons on the right hand side that are impossible to use and the cursor jumps all over the screen.

Gonna take it back and swap it for another MX1000
It doesn't sound like you've adjusted the Razer mouse driver settings properly. Some settings I recommend:

1) Set the USB poling rate to 1000mhz

2) Set acceleration to zero (turn the acceleration option off)

3) Set the mouse master sensitivity on, then set the sensitivity slider bar to 5. Hit the apply button. Now slide the bar up or down to match your preference.

Unfortunately, nothing can be done about the side button placement -- I don't like them too much either. The side front buttons being placed on 1 and 11 o'clock slant makes the mouse prone to being pushed forward out of your hand when you press them. This forces me to grip the mouse harder than normal, which in turn leads to more fatigue.

The Razer Lachesis is a very fast, sensitive mouse, but it's not for everyone. If you like its features but not its ergonomics, then give the Ideazon Reaper Edge a shot. I did, and I'm very happy with it. Yes, I've tested/owned almost every high end gaming mouse presently on the market.