GW's economy question
Computerwiz1990
In general. Do players have to much money or not enough? I have an idea if players generally dont have enough money...
Kattar
In general, the average player doesn't have so much (few of the players here are average).
I seem to remember hearing Andrew talking a few months ago about this topic. He said that 90% of the player base has less than 10k. My numbers may be slightly off, but they're pretty close.
It was on the offcial site I think, if anyone cares to dig up the link.
I seem to remember hearing Andrew talking a few months ago about this topic. He said that 90% of the player base has less than 10k. My numbers may be slightly off, but they're pretty close.
It was on the offcial site I think, if anyone cares to dig up the link.
Snow Bunny
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In general, the average player doesn't have so much (few of the players here are average).
I seem to remember hearing Andrew talking a few months ago about this topic. He said that 90% of the player base has less than 10k. My numbers may be slightly off, but they're pretty close. It was on the offcial site I think, if anyone cares to dig up the link. |
I believe it.
I feel bad for a lot of them sometimes. It's this mad weird paternal feeling I get. Then I realize they probably suck IRL so then I don't care.
Kattar
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
I think the numbers were 80% and <20k.
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I just remember being psyched at the time cuz I had my first 50k. I thought I was leet. Then I joined the forum...heh.
EDIT: Oh and OP, if you idea has anything to do with buying gold or any other type of cheating, it's gonna be /facepunch.
cosyfiep
me---not enough...I do usually keep about 20k in storage (for emergency purposes, guess rl does effect me in that way), but if I ever want more than 1 piece of elite armor (the 15k ones) I must work hard to get it.
Shakkara
I need Treasure Hunter and Lucky and probably drunkard/party for my 30 max titles (1.3 mil lucky now) but I only have 300k left and I really don't know of any way to make cash nowadays besides HFFF, and we all know how boring that is.
TheRaven
I'm an average player, I think.
I play everyday. I can't solo farm. I don't power trade. I rarely trade anything to other players. Instead I pick up and merch all my drops, saving those few rarities for the Ventari's Sell forum. I guess my skill level is average. If I go outside by myself, I'm quickly killed. I can survive some high end areas with 2 or 3 heroes by my side and I find HM vanquishing with a full set of heroes to be completely do-able and sometimes easy depending on the area.
I don't buy a lot of high end luxury items. I have 1 set of Elite armor for my warrior (not obsidian) and I have my eye on a 2nd set for my ranger. I own a small menagerie of mini-pets with the Lich and Kuunavang being the most expensive ones in the group.
Today I have 156k in storage (after spending 140k on the rings last weekend), 56 ectos, 40 shards and a handful of sapphires, rubies, diamonds and onyxes. Most common and the cheaper rare materials are maxed. I have tier 1 sweet tooth, drunkard and party animal. All achieved without spending a dime on the titles. I also have tier 4 lucky and unlucky. Achieved by spending a mass fortune on the titles.
I'm not poor, but I'm not considered wealthy by any standards. I remember the feeling of earning my first 100k. I've never felt that I was struggling for money. From day 1 in the game, I've always had enough cash on hand to buy what I need. I can't afford the mini beetle and mini panda that I desperately want, but I don't consider those "needs".
Earning money is not difficult at all. If you are constantly poor then take a look at your spending habits. Why are you always poor? Do you buy too many keys? Do you have to have the latest weapons and armor immediately? Before buying that minipet or weapon that was just added ingame yesterday, wait a week. The item will likely go down in price quickly as more copies are added ingame.
I play everyday. I can't solo farm. I don't power trade. I rarely trade anything to other players. Instead I pick up and merch all my drops, saving those few rarities for the Ventari's Sell forum. I guess my skill level is average. If I go outside by myself, I'm quickly killed. I can survive some high end areas with 2 or 3 heroes by my side and I find HM vanquishing with a full set of heroes to be completely do-able and sometimes easy depending on the area.
I don't buy a lot of high end luxury items. I have 1 set of Elite armor for my warrior (not obsidian) and I have my eye on a 2nd set for my ranger. I own a small menagerie of mini-pets with the Lich and Kuunavang being the most expensive ones in the group.
Today I have 156k in storage (after spending 140k on the rings last weekend), 56 ectos, 40 shards and a handful of sapphires, rubies, diamonds and onyxes. Most common and the cheaper rare materials are maxed. I have tier 1 sweet tooth, drunkard and party animal. All achieved without spending a dime on the titles. I also have tier 4 lucky and unlucky. Achieved by spending a mass fortune on the titles.
I'm not poor, but I'm not considered wealthy by any standards. I remember the feeling of earning my first 100k. I've never felt that I was struggling for money. From day 1 in the game, I've always had enough cash on hand to buy what I need. I can't afford the mini beetle and mini panda that I desperately want, but I don't consider those "needs".
Earning money is not difficult at all. If you are constantly poor then take a look at your spending habits. Why are you always poor? Do you buy too many keys? Do you have to have the latest weapons and armor immediately? Before buying that minipet or weapon that was just added ingame yesterday, wait a week. The item will likely go down in price quickly as more copies are added ingame.
Malice Black
I'm an average player 
Winstar
We need to define what we mean by not enough or too much before any of this makes sense. Even if the particular stats are correct, we still aren't in a position to say that the vast majority of players (the 80%) don't have enough.
20k is not enough to buy 15k armor, thats for sure, but that still doesn't mean that 20k is not enough in the more general sense we seem to be looking for here.
For one, you have to consider what the goals of the majority of players are, and in reference to their ends is that enough money. I suspect many players don't really care about wealth and items accumulation and are simply looking to play through the storyline and quest around a bit, or maybe they just want to pvp. In those kinds of cases the 20k range is more than enough
second, we may as a community think that rarity makes a game interesting. So if everyone in the population could without any real effort achieve anything then it undermines the idea that some things should be marks of time and effort spent. At this point this idea is pretty much dead. Nice armor and weapons are pretty much commonplace. Imagine if the same thing held for titles? No one would care about them any longer, they would not hold anyones interest if anyone with little effort could achieve them.
What I think is far more important to ask - I guess how I think we should measure 'enough' - is whether for the average player it possible to obtain the tools that would allow them to achieve the wealth necessary for their ends. Financially speaking I think the answer is yes, players have enough money to do so. Getting armor and runes that are functionally up to the task is very easy.
The only real barrier to wealth accumulation in this game is time and maybe just maybe a little bit of ability
20k is not enough to buy 15k armor, thats for sure, but that still doesn't mean that 20k is not enough in the more general sense we seem to be looking for here.
For one, you have to consider what the goals of the majority of players are, and in reference to their ends is that enough money. I suspect many players don't really care about wealth and items accumulation and are simply looking to play through the storyline and quest around a bit, or maybe they just want to pvp. In those kinds of cases the 20k range is more than enough
second, we may as a community think that rarity makes a game interesting. So if everyone in the population could without any real effort achieve anything then it undermines the idea that some things should be marks of time and effort spent. At this point this idea is pretty much dead. Nice armor and weapons are pretty much commonplace. Imagine if the same thing held for titles? No one would care about them any longer, they would not hold anyones interest if anyone with little effort could achieve them.
What I think is far more important to ask - I guess how I think we should measure 'enough' - is whether for the average player it possible to obtain the tools that would allow them to achieve the wealth necessary for their ends. Financially speaking I think the answer is yes, players have enough money to do so. Getting armor and runes that are functionally up to the task is very easy.
The only real barrier to wealth accumulation in this game is time and maybe just maybe a little bit of ability
Jennie
When I had no life and was playing the game constantly I had more money.... now I don't play as much and because of that I end up draining all my small reserve of money when events like lucky weekend come up.... 
poor me... HA! Not. I has a real life now yes I has do 
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Oooookay. So that was my little aside
Currently I have 163g in my storage lol. I drained about 20k this weekend. I usually hover around 10-20k lately but when I was playing more I had more money like around 40-50k and was always buying 15k armor which was a real money sink....
I hardly ever do things now just to make money like I used to. Now when I come on to play its for a break and enjoyment so I would rather not spend my time doing something that feels like work. (Lucky titles are like work I guess but I AFK those for the most part anyways) Hence, I am broke lol.
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But do I care that I am broke? Heck no. I am having fun with the game and that is all that matters to me.
poor me... HA! Not. I has a real life now yes I has do Oooookay. So that was my little aside
Currently I have 163g in my storage lol. I drained about 20k this weekend. I usually hover around 10-20k lately but when I was playing more I had more money like around 40-50k and was always buying 15k armor which was a real money sink.... I hardly ever do things now just to make money like I used to. Now when I come on to play its for a break and enjoyment so I would rather not spend my time doing something that feels like work. (Lucky titles are like work I guess but I AFK those for the most part anyways) Hence, I am broke lol.
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But do I care that I am broke? Heck no. I am having fun with the game and that is all that matters to me.
Kattar
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
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Also, to the OP: would you care to define what you mean by enough money? To some people *cough* Malice *cough* it's never enough.
Snow Bunny
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
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Shai Lee
I've heard the same statistic, that most have less than 20k. I'm not into power trading either. Haven't done a lot of farming in a while. I've just been doing a lot of title stuff and that adds up. I do have tendency to shop, but I personally haven't felt gold woes.
And sure you are Malice...sure you are..:P
And sure you are Malice...sure you are..:P
TheRaven
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Originally Posted by Winstar
We need to define what we mean by not enough or too much before any of this makes sense. Even if the particular stats are correct, we still aren't in a position to say that the vast majority of players (the 80%) don't have enough
20k is not enough to buy 15k armor, thats for sure, but that still doesn't mean that 20k is not enough in the more general sense we seem to be looking for here...... |
I totally agree. 20k is a fortune in this game. A thrifty player can buy max armor, max weapon and offhand, nice runes, his needed skills and still have money left over for an id kit, expert salvage kit, bags and belt pouches.
If a player is playing everyday and is really putting time into the game, they will have more than 20k to spend. If they only play once in awhile to relax then they likely don't care much about elite armors and titles and minipets which are the real money drainers.
When I create a new character I first head outside town, kill the 10 or so monsters it takes to earn 50g and immediately open storage. I withdraw a 1k allowance for the character to buy everything she needs and usually deposit 900g back into storage in an hour.
Esoteric Mesmer
Wow, I thought I was poor now that I was down to 400k (with ten sets of elite armors), but I guess I am doing ok for myself. This thread makes me feel a little better since someone said earlier that 20k was a fortune.
matsif
I have about 50k currently, but I have been down in the dumps of cash (<10k) before. never had over 100k on any char or in storage ever, never had more than 20 ectos at a time, and never had more than 5 shards at a time, and I never get good gold weapon drops.
MithranArkanere
Most people have what they need. In an economy that was meant from the very beginning to have prices under 100k, having more was never something neccesary. It was a long time since now, when most prices finally are 'fixed' the way Anet meant them to be.
But something like the Xunali Market would be even better for this, since it would allow much faster transactions, and much more transactions would be done, and economy would be finally fixed.
One of my former guild members had more than 1400K in his characters. I always wondered... why? You can't show off that, even if you make a screenshot that could be faked. So why?
Unused money is wasted time.
But something like the Xunali Market would be even better for this, since it would allow much faster transactions, and much more transactions would be done, and economy would be finally fixed.
One of my former guild members had more than 1400K in his characters. I always wondered... why? You can't show off that, even if you make a screenshot that could be faked. So why?
Unused money is wasted time.
jamal555
i mean those stats are totally misleading... coz they dont account for multiple accounts... i mean mules or storages as u call them... also accounts that arent logged for 6 months or more, accounts that arent active by any rule... just bulk of the game...
i myself have 6 accounts...
i know ppl with more... more than half of my guild have multipla accounts...
most hard core pvp players hav eno money on secondary accounts...
so that percentage is much lower... i think that ppl that play this for 8+ months and have less than 20k... are born wrong or just arent trying...
idk.. maybe im not the best judge here i made my first 100k in first month of playing... 55 monk/solo uw/zealots+reversal spamming... easy... then drops from hoh chest... that stuff... in the early days... later sorrows, much alter cantan elite missions / whatever... there were always ways to make money... it just depends how well u know the game mechanics and how much time u want to spend playing it... if i loose fun factor and catch myself in grindfest i just alt+f4 its not worth it...
i myself have 6 accounts...
i know ppl with more... more than half of my guild have multipla accounts...
most hard core pvp players hav eno money on secondary accounts...
so that percentage is much lower... i think that ppl that play this for 8+ months and have less than 20k... are born wrong or just arent trying...
idk.. maybe im not the best judge here i made my first 100k in first month of playing... 55 monk/solo uw/zealots+reversal spamming... easy... then drops from hoh chest... that stuff... in the early days... later sorrows, much alter cantan elite missions / whatever... there were always ways to make money... it just depends how well u know the game mechanics and how much time u want to spend playing it... if i loose fun factor and catch myself in grindfest i just alt+f4 its not worth it...
Hollygen
Currently I have 60k in storage. That's perhaps a little above average for me, but then I'm currently building up savings for cap sigs. Usually I'm down at about 30k, give or take, although with a taste for armor I often can have about 80k...before spending it.
I've rarely had more than 100k, and both times were when I was saving for Vabbian. Highest I've been is probably about 270k...most of which went on gemstones for armor.
Am I an average player? Well i have 10 characters at the moment, most of whom have at least one elite armor set. I play fairly regularly, couple of days on, couple of days off, a few hours at a time. Don't vanquish, very rarely go HM. Have finished all campaigns and EotN on at least one character
I've rarely had more than 100k, and both times were when I was saving for Vabbian. Highest I've been is probably about 270k...most of which went on gemstones for armor.
Am I an average player? Well i have 10 characters at the moment, most of whom have at least one elite armor set. I play fairly regularly, couple of days on, couple of days off, a few hours at a time. Don't vanquish, very rarely go HM. Have finished all campaigns and EotN on at least one character
Mordakai
The brutal truth is, this is an RPG where you honestly don't need money to play.
Get 8 skills, some collector weapons and armor, and you can play. You won't be the best player - but really, spending the extra few thousand gold to get the best armor, and all the mods and runes you want, is not going to kill the avg player.
Anything over 10k is purely for eye-candy. It's a system I hope will go into GW2...
Not to mention, some of the best looking armor in the game is (IMO) Collector's. I was so happy when you could buy the starter armor with max stats in Factions!
Get 8 skills, some collector weapons and armor, and you can play. You won't be the best player - but really, spending the extra few thousand gold to get the best armor, and all the mods and runes you want, is not going to kill the avg player.
Anything over 10k is purely for eye-candy. It's a system I hope will go into GW2...
Not to mention, some of the best looking armor in the game is (IMO) Collector's. I was so happy when you could buy the starter armor with max stats in Factions!
jamal555
And market isnt the only stuff that ruined economy... if some1 remembers... and i dont think any1 here is playing that long... the first thing that allowed 100k+ trades to take place is the 55 monk and real gold drops [150gp-200gp from foe...]... if some1 remembers the griffons... those poor griffons outside camp rankor... that were dropping gold like crazy... like 2-3k per 40 sec. run... and not counting gold items... do the math... 300k in a day... sure... that was possible... loose ur eyes but 300k is 300k... do the math for a month... and those bots there werent helping... nerf came about 2 months late... and u all know the only thing that was needed to be done is change 1 skill... it isnt done to date... so u see pve part never was on the table for anet development until it was too late...
and uw was soloable then... i mean like real fast solo... 55hp zealots fire, balth aura... and spam away... aataxes whole room in under 1 min... nice... ectos... no problem...
and uw was soloable then... i mean like real fast solo... 55hp zealots fire, balth aura... and spam away... aataxes whole room in under 1 min... nice... ectos... no problem...
StormDragonZ
I've managed to maintain having over 200k since March of 2007.
Basic drops (ones that are white) definitely do add up.
Basic drops (ones that are white) definitely do add up.
MSecorsky
People are exchanging nothing more than the right to temporarily claim bits of data owned by a company that can end it all with the flip of a switch...
... and people call it an economy.
... and people call it an economy.
Kattar
Well if you wanna go that way, then why not talk about the "real" world economy...if you think about it it's basically the same thing. But instead of bits of data it's bits of paper.
But that would be thread hijacking. So I won't.
But that would be thread hijacking. So I won't.
Fluffiliscious
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But instead of bits of data it's bits of paper.
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I'm usually pretty poor. I hover around 20k unless I'm saving up for something.
Age
I am like the most of you although I can farm I just don't know the UW and FoW all that well.I would say the drop rate isn't as good as is use to be imho.When I do go to ToA most are just making up farming parties no 8 person parties.it would really be nice if there were res. shrines in the elite areas.
chief lazy horse
I would say I am average, just go my self a Tormented axe and have 15k armor, but not much else and most of my friends have a lot more.
Cale Roughstar
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I think it was when he was selling that req9 15^50 tyrian cryssie
Anyhoo, the average player nowadays is as poor as a church mouse, and perfectly happy with it. Then they read guru and their jaws drop.
Anyways, I have 40k in storage right now, but that is after spending all my money on cap sigs and the rings for the weekend, but it doesnt include my million plat in weapons and shields on my warrior.
ShockValue
After buying my FoW armor, it took a while for me to recover. Usually unless I have a specific goal in mind, I hover around 100k. Spend money on keys/weapon/whatever, go into "saving mode", find myself back up above 100k and blow it on something else. Rince repeat.
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HayesA
I would say i'm a casual player. I have maybe a few k in storage. But then again, I just grinded for 3 or 4 weeks to finish off two armour sets. So, I have no mats, no money, and am lacking runes for the new sets.
I don't enjoy grinding. Why it took me a month to get 100k'ish. I farm maybe 20 minutes/day, in HM. Which, actually, yeilds very little. In my opinion, I think they should cut that loot scaling thing, or add a trader for mods.
I don't enjoy grinding. Why it took me a month to get 100k'ish. I farm maybe 20 minutes/day, in HM. Which, actually, yeilds very little. In my opinion, I think they should cut that loot scaling thing, or add a trader for mods.
Songbringer
Um...I am probably rich. I have an extra account that was left to me by a friend in RL because he stopped playing. On that i keep all my higher end items that are no use to me. Most of my gold(usually it is maxed) and a few stacks of ectos. On my main account i usually keep 400k or so and 50 ectos and 50 shards. The canthan event burned me of like 250k.
I have everything in the game that I will ever want. I wish the economy didn't suck so bad. We need better gold sinks. I remember when it was exspensive to buy runes and such.
I mean i understand that the poorer player needed the economy to be lower but at the same time. It has allowed alot of people to create characters with every hero runed out with perfect weapons and such for under 500k. I don't think it should be that cheap personally.
As far as the uw comments I skimmed over rather quickly. Yes the drops are alot worse. If you are purely farming and don't want the end chest. The solo/dual builds are better then ursanway. If you need to learn dual builds for uw. I would be more then happy to show you in game. IGN Melony Songbringer. I usually run 600/smite hero I however can run 600/famine 55/ss and the solo vwk war. I have done the ele solo builds but I don't like them. It is to much thinking involved for farming.
Edit: BTW i earned all my money along time ago playing the market/doing spider runs for 25k(per ranger) and takin 2 rangers with me/dual 55/ss before the 600 even exsisted. Now i only farm when I am bored/wana screw around
I have everything in the game that I will ever want. I wish the economy didn't suck so bad. We need better gold sinks. I remember when it was exspensive to buy runes and such.
I mean i understand that the poorer player needed the economy to be lower but at the same time. It has allowed alot of people to create characters with every hero runed out with perfect weapons and such for under 500k. I don't think it should be that cheap personally.
As far as the uw comments I skimmed over rather quickly. Yes the drops are alot worse. If you are purely farming and don't want the end chest. The solo/dual builds are better then ursanway. If you need to learn dual builds for uw. I would be more then happy to show you in game. IGN Melony Songbringer. I usually run 600/smite hero I however can run 600/famine 55/ss and the solo vwk war. I have done the ele solo builds but I don't like them. It is to much thinking involved for farming.
Edit: BTW i earned all my money along time ago playing the market/doing spider runs for 25k(per ranger) and takin 2 rangers with me/dual 55/ss before the 600 even exsisted. Now i only farm when I am bored/wana screw around
Numa Pompilius
<-- More than I know what to do with.
Earned my money playing the game and occasionally doing a 55 run in the Shiverpeaks and more recently Cathedral of Flames. Never farmed UW or DoA.
It helps to not like the ridiculous KISS-like heavy-metal look of most "elite" armors and weapons, and to get minipets based on whether you like them, not based on their price.
Earned my money playing the game and occasionally doing a 55 run in the Shiverpeaks and more recently Cathedral of Flames. Never farmed UW or DoA.
It helps to not like the ridiculous KISS-like heavy-metal look of most "elite" armors and weapons, and to get minipets based on whether you like them, not based on their price.
FelixCarter
2,249 hours in Guild Wars in 31 months (2.4 h/day). I'm not sure if that makes me an average player, but I have 370K in my storage right now.
I really don't spend much of the money I get. And when I do spend it, it's usually on something to make my Monk look cuter than she already is.
I really don't spend much of the money I get. And when I do spend it, it's usually on something to make my Monk look cuter than she already is.
Painbringer
I have only once had over 100k in my account, and I had it for 2 days. Currently I have about 10k in my bank which I have been at for a couple weeks. Normally I am in the 20-30k range. I probably have 50-75K worth of materials in my storage. And I am sure I have 500K worth of weapons that I will never use or try to sell in storage. But I have 9 characters with 15K armor and one of which has almost has 3 different sets. So I guess I like the flare.
P.S. I have only once had an ecto drop for me (only one ever)
P.S. I have only once had an ecto drop for me (only one ever)
Akuma
Enough.
I've spent about 500k on weapons and armour (and shields, still haven't finished shields), and I have about 200k in my storage. Don't play though.
I've spent about 500k on weapons and armour (and shields, still haven't finished shields), and I have about 200k in my storage. Don't play though.
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Bryant Again
Who set up the poll? The OP asked if there's too much money and the poll is asking how much money you the poster has. Way to go.
To answer the question, yes. There's too much gold on the players
To answer the question, yes. There's too much gold on the players
Mordakai
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Who set up the poll? The OP asked if there's too much money and the poll is asking how much money you the poster has. Way to go.
To answer the question, yes. There's too much gold on the players |
Molock
I might be wrong.. but I think that most of the people who come here regularly have quite a lot of gold. Most of the newer players don't come to Riverside and have little gold.
MithranArkanere
I love this poll's choices, XD.
I bet most people will pick #3.
I bet most people will pick #3.