Armbraces
Lord Darksoul
This is what happens when ANet decides to make PvE only skills. They're almost all overpowered, and is ruining the economy. I seriously would've have been happier with worthless elites than this...
Shakti
While Ursanway farming may be bringing it down faster, everything in this game that's farmable drops in price. Ppl get their torm weapons, demand decreases. More are available, hence price drop.
Let's not forget to mention, the stacks and stacks and stacks that were created by the duping and are still in game. Everyone and their dogs know it. Of course it effects it.
Let's not forget to mention, the stacks and stacks and stacks that were created by the duping and are still in game. Everyone and their dogs know it. Of course it effects it.
Antheus
In my experience, the value of 1 hour in GW is around 10k (dumb troll farming and the likes).
By this conclusion, it takes less than 17 hours to make one armbrace.
This sounds like a very reasonable estimate, and can certainly be topped. Considering that a full run can be completed in 2-3 hours, and chest drops are increased this way, one gets a full set in under 5 full runs.
With zero profit margin, hard price for armbraces is around 100k, or just a bit more, if one counts prices of consumables in there.
By this conclusion, it takes less than 17 hours to make one armbrace.
This sounds like a very reasonable estimate, and can certainly be topped. Considering that a full run can be completed in 2-3 hours, and chest drops are increased this way, one gets a full set in under 5 full runs.
With zero profit margin, hard price for armbraces is around 100k, or just a bit more, if one counts prices of consumables in there.
Abedeus
What's funny, that other games have really good systems against duping. For example Diablo 2, where each item has an unique key assigned to it. All legal items have it, from keys and potions to rarest armors and runes. If there is an item with the same key as other key somewhere in the database, the Battle.net checks which one was created second and it deletes it. Of course, hackers often protect themselves from that... But...
The weakest, yet the strongest at the same time defense against it is joining a game with both items. The game, knowing two items are exactly same, deletes automatically that newer item.
And I think that the second defense should be implemented. There are too many players to check every equip every day, but if someone has 2 same armbraces (duped), only one will be left. Pretty good system.
@Antheus - I would be REALLY happy if I could get 10k for hour... really.
The weakest, yet the strongest at the same time defense against it is joining a game with both items. The game, knowing two items are exactly same, deletes automatically that newer item.
And I think that the second defense should be implemented. There are too many players to check every equip every day, but if someone has 2 same armbraces (duped), only one will be left. Pretty good system.
@Antheus - I would be REALLY happy if I could get 10k for hour... really.
6am3 Fana71c
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Originally Posted by Shakti
Let's not forget to mention, the stacks and stacks and stacks that were created by the duping and are still in game.
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On topic tho, I don't understand what the fuss is all about. EVERY item in this game declines in price over time. Some faster, some slower, but nothing can escape it (except maybe mini pets with fixed ammount of them out there). Maybe some day I get Tormented Staff...but, I would be much more satisfied if Platinum/Zodiac staves would start droping in all reqs from those chests
lyra_song
It'll take you the same amount of time to get the ectos to buy it as it is to farm the armbrace with Ursan.
I Might Avenge U
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Originally Posted by lyra_song
It'll take you the same amount of time to get the ectos to buy it as it is to farm the armbrace with Ursan.
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That's 9-14 hours an ambrace.. So expect the prices to evenutally reach 100k, possibly lower. One of two things will happen: A) The price will eventually reach a point where it won't be worth the time to farm, and there will a major decrease in Ursans (Unlikely to happen anytime soon). B) Anet nerfs ursan (very-likely).
Seriously it's inevitable that Ursanway will get nerfed. It may be the monk build that gets nerfed, or the Ursan Blessing itself, but either way it will happen.
So my advice: "Farm the hell out of Ambraces now, and get your Tormy weps while it's still very easy."
Randvek
Seeing Armbraces going for +20 ecto on a regular basis now. Dropping fast, though they have to be getting close to the bottom. I mean, they can't fall THAT far, right?
sagilltwins
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Originally Posted by shru
This is GW Guru, most of us are title wores, cash sluts, elitist pricks, or a combination of the three. A majority of us are not the weekend gamer.
Anways, that statistic was absurdly askew, not factoring multiple/inactive accounts and plenty of other things. It's safe to say you can get by in GW with only 20k, but that you are infact poor. |
enter_the_zone
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Originally Posted by You just got tomahawked
That's the point it's supposed to be for the people that can afford it/people that work at it and the price is not reflecting the effort taken to farm it.
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This is a market driven economy, supply and demand dictate price. Anet isn't going to step in because when the price gets too low, the return in gems will outweigh the investment in time, and people will go back to other farming spots/methods. This in turn will drive the price back up. One thing Anet should have done is put these gems in the rare mat trader.
@I might avenge you. In that case, expect the 600/smite build to be nerfed hard, since ectos are now half of what they used to cost...
Abedeus
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Originally Posted by Randvek
Seeing Armbraces going for +20 ecto on a regular basis now. Dropping fast, though they have to be getting close to the bottom. I mean, they can't fall THAT far, right?
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Uber Mass
Ursan made it possible for every1 to do DoA and to actually finish a DoA full run... so yeah its expected the prices went down. Gosh i remember i sold my first titan for 100k+ecto -.o
Ralgha
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Originally Posted by You just got tomahawked
KTHX I'm in all honors classes. I'm number 10 in a class of 300 and I've lettered in 2 sports. I have achieved something real might as well do the same thing only this time in a video game.
P.S. Don't set yourself to up to get flamed. |
Yichi
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Originally Posted by Lord Darksoul
This is what happens when ANet decides to make PvE only skills. They're almost all overpowered, and is ruining the economy. I seriously would've have been happier with worthless elites than this...
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cosyfiep
geez we are still talking porche and mercedes....I can barely afford a toyota!
when the price drops to what the average player can afford then I will take notice until then, I will continue to drive my toyota.
when the price drops to what the average player can afford then I will take notice until then, I will continue to drive my toyota.
GEXTE
Nothing wrong with a toyota, it does the same as a porche or mercedes. It might be with less luxury, but than again, if you need a spare part or something, then you are better off with a toyota 
Awakener
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Originally Posted by You just got tomahawked
It won't be special when its 25k and everyone has a shield. then what makes you look "rich" when everyone has everything?
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What annoys me in GW is the people who want to look "rich" not good. Or the ones who saying Looking rich is looking good.
idicious
Last weekend sold 2 braces for 50e each, so probly just someone trying to get rid of them fast (and didn't take me long to sell them)
Sub Frost
So ambraces are getting cheaper, and with this, more people have a change to get them...
Sorry can't see a problem there.
Sorry can't see a problem there.
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[riVen]
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Originally Posted by You just got tomahawked
It takes a long time to farm an armbrace
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Math: A full run takes about 2,5hrs with a decent group (including killing mallyx; excluding afk time, setting up etc) and gives you 14 out of 60 gems. Assuming you'll also have a few gems drop for you each run, you'll need around 3,5 runs to reach 60.
On Hard Mode, you'll be there almost twice as fast.
Wildi
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Originally Posted by trobinson97
What's wrong with the price dropping?
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1-2 years ago where DoA was new and curse scepter & foci looked like shit, it was an okay price. Today with BMP weapons around there is no reason why tormented weapons should cost 100k 50e. 100k 15e is a more resonable price.
chief lazy horse
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Originally Posted by Sub Frost
So ambraces are getting cheaper, and with this, more people have a change to get them...
Sorry can't see a problem there. |
Cargan
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Originally Posted by You just got tomahawked
There has to be a point where it's just not worth it.
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Cargan
Solas
Love tyhe way yer using ursan as a scape goat..-.-
1. Duping has caused worry among some buyers
2. Duping has defaced the image of tormented items
3. BMP skins
4.Eotn skins + its not supported in HoM
but yes ursan has increased the amont of people in DoA but it cannot souly be blamed, also some guilds claim they can do it same time/faster then ursan so there you go.
1. Duping has caused worry among some buyers
2. Duping has defaced the image of tormented items
3. BMP skins
4.Eotn skins + its not supported in HoM
but yes ursan has increased the amont of people in DoA but it cannot souly be blamed, also some guilds claim they can do it same time/faster then ursan so there you go.
IslandHermet
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Originally Posted by Chestnut
Isn't that a good thing though? honestly? Gives alot more people the shot at nice expensive looking equipment so we can look cool like the rest of you rich people.
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I buy a item because I looks good on my char or works well with that set of armor and things of that nature not because I want to show off but because I want my char to look good (im gonna be stairing at it for the entire time I am on so why not get something pretty to look at?)
its the same reason people pick male or female (as a man do you want to look at a mans ass all day?) or would you rather look at a womans? same for a female. it is all about choice.
Jetdoc
I bought a Tormented Scythe a few months ago for a much higher price, but I still am thrilled that the price continues to drop on armbraces. Honestly, they were insanely overpriced to begin with, and this makes tormented weapons more affordable for everyone.
The only people that this truly hurts are the high, high end traders.
The only people that this truly hurts are the high, high end traders.
sterbenx2
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Originally Posted by trobinson97
So wrong, and I am really not surprised considering the source. Has the thought ever crossed your mind that some people get those things for the aesthetic and not some twisted form of pride? Playing dress up in a video game does not equate seeking one's self worth in a video game, which you guys are doing. I get a particular set of armor/weapons for one of my in game characters depending on how pleasing the artwork is to my eyes. You do it to be envied by others, and that's pretty pretty sad.
Haha, wow. That's not irony. That's pretty awesome. Number 10 in 300? Color me impressed. Two sports? Nice. I am surprised that someone with so many real achievements can't see how whining about virtual achievement is silly. Takes all kinds I guess. |
You think virtual achievement is silly? Did you ever think that maybe what you would concider an achievement, someone else would concider silly? People have different intrests and values, this is what makes us all different, human. Maybe you'd be happier if we were all exactly the same, or just like you. Perhaps you should examine more closely what you said. It would seem, by your logic, that insulting and correcting people on a fan forum would be just as silly, as it seems that it makes you feel some sort of accomplishment by doing so.
cgruber
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Originally Posted by Abedeus
What's funny, that other games have really good systems against duping. For example Diablo 2, where each item has an unique key assigned to it. All legal items have it, from keys and potions to rarest armors and runes. If there is an item with the same key as other key somewhere in the database, the Battle.net checks which one was created second and it deletes it.
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Sparda
Well i see no prob with price dropping it's a nice thing now more players can buy it.
And if you think it's unfair course you have a truckload of braces and you money drops below your ego though luck.
Sure i have my fair share of Tromented weapons i payed more for it in the early days well thats bad luck for me i choose to buy one that day bad luck for me if it drops in price IMO eneryone needs to have the change to get 1 or 2 in GW
And if you think it's unfair course you have a truckload of braces and you money drops below your ego though luck.
Sure i have my fair share of Tromented weapons i payed more for it in the early days well thats bad luck for me i choose to buy one that day bad luck for me if it drops in price IMO eneryone needs to have the change to get 1 or 2 in GW
Sparda
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Originally Posted by Sparda
Well i see no prob with price dropping it's a nice thing now more players can buy it.
And if you think it's unfair course you have a truckload of braces and you money drops below your ego though luck. Sure i have my fair share of Tromented weapons i payed more for it in the early days well thats bad luck for me i choose to buy one that day bad luck for me if it drops in price IMO eneryone needs to have the change to get 1 or 2 in GW |
Now you can see how greed lays waste to the game most people are more fixed on gold accumulation and want to become a capitalist.
And they do not play the game.
Hyper Cutter
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Originally Posted by You just got tomahawked
It just gets me annoyed when something I worked at to buy for 100k+50 ecto is now worth 100k+ 15 ecto. Imagine buying a car for 50 grand and the next day your friend tells you he just bought it for 20 grand. You'd be pretty PO'd. I'm not whining I'm simpley expressing my frustration.
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I bought a set of Vabbian when Rubies and Sapphires were 8k each, you don't see me complaining about them being cheaper now...
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Originally Posted by Lord Darksoul
This is what happens when ANet decides to make PvE only skills. They're almost all overpowered, and is ruining the economy. I seriously would've have been happier with worthless elites than this...
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Originally Posted by Yichi
The economy was heading down the toilet long before these were introduced...
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Racthoh
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Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter
Almost all? Aside from Ursan, there's what? Pain Inverter and TNTF? Most PVE skills SUCK (just like most regular skills)...
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Shadowmoon
Armbraces goin down in price is a good thing, i only wish they would go down faster. Why do i say this, because alot of the armbrace out there are duped. There are people out there who took avantage of the duping event, had there accoutn banned, then go them back. These people are the people who trading an asian mini for 1000+ armbraces, took the braces without asking does this make sence. This is why the high end market is corrupt. Only deflated armbrace prices will solve it. I only wish they would make armbraces unstackable so people can't horde them. If the 1000+ armbraces suddenly entered the market, the price would be worthless, making those who indirectly benefited form the duping be neutralized.
Bryant Again
Rare items are indeed an interesting subject. Some believe that people should be entitled easy access to rare weapons and expensive armor because they serve no purpose besides vanity. Likewise, others believe that there should be no rush for the items for basically the same reasons ("it's all just looks, so why the hurry?")
I will say that many do feel a sense of achievement when acquiring a rare item or set of armor, and this applies to many games: It's why people went for all 120 star in Mario 64, why people play on harder difficulties (some like a challenge as well), and other tasks. Acquiring a sense of achievement has always been something valued by many in games. The situation with online games is that it has a broader affect.
I will say that many do feel a sense of achievement when acquiring a rare item or set of armor, and this applies to many games: It's why people went for all 120 star in Mario 64, why people play on harder difficulties (some like a challenge as well), and other tasks. Acquiring a sense of achievement has always been something valued by many in games. The situation with online games is that it has a broader affect.
Kusandaa
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Rare items are indeed an interesting subject. Some believe that people should be entitled easy access to rare weapons and expensive armor because they serve no purpose besides vanity. Likewise, others believe that there should be no rush for the items for basically the same reasons ("it's all just looks, so why the hurry?")
I will say that many do feel a sense of achievement when acquiring a rare item or set of armor, and this applies to many games: It's why people went for all 120 star in Mario 64, why people play on harder difficulties (some like a challenge as well), and other tasks. Acquiring a sense of achievement has always been something valued by many in games. The situation with online games is that it has a broader affect. |
But as I was saying before, I don't buy to compete or to show-off (I won't buy a tormented weapon for the sake of buying one - I'll have to like the skin and it'll have to fit my character).
I have the feeling, however, some people are only seeing their item collections as pure cash (I bought armbrace at 100k+50e, now it's worth +15e, woe is me, I demand the value to stay the same). On the other hand, it's not everyone - some truly enjoy their collections, use them, and are happy with them no matter what their current value is.
Ouchie
How often do people actually see your weapons to know how leet they are? My weapons are the ones I like the best or go the best with my characters armor.
I don't really care how much they go for.
I don't really care how much they go for.
Malice Black
Prices will always drop on items that can be farmed.
Prime example = The guy who spendt the stupid amount of cash on that Eternal Blade, only for them to start dropping from the Z Chest. Of course he wasn't to know so many would pop up so quick (due to the chest, and people farming UW chest), but the simple fact is that item will always lose value.
Only items in this game to keep/gain value is the dumb mini-pets, req7 items and the last of the uncustomized no negs.
Prime example = The guy who spendt the stupid amount of cash on that Eternal Blade, only for them to start dropping from the Z Chest. Of course he wasn't to know so many would pop up so quick (due to the chest, and people farming UW chest), but the simple fact is that item will always lose value.
Only items in this game to keep/gain value is the dumb mini-pets, req7 items and the last of the uncustomized no negs.
MirkoTeran
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Originally Posted by Wildi
1-2 years ago where DoA was new and curse scepter & foci looked like shit, it was an okay price. Today with BMP weapons around there is no reason why tormented weapons should cost 100k 50e. 100k 15e is a more resonable price.
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Well, the drop in price is hardly a shock to anyone. Apart for a few items out of reach of 'casual players' all items drop.
Kusandaa
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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran
Since when was price of high-end items determined by looks in GW?
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But we're talking about the mass here. People are ready to pay a lot for good-looking stuff in GW, or they whine that the in-game cost is too high...
stretchs
Every item in the game will only decrease PERIOD. It is just the way of ANY online community, outside of 1 off items that are only in existence like the Polar Bear at the moment. Once and item can be infinitely dropped, the price goes down as the availability becomes greater, the price of Tormented's/Armbraces will continue to drop PERIOD. That is the way of online economies in games like this, yes certain things have caused its acceleration, Duping (no they were not all removed, anyone that thinks so is clearly delusional) as well as PVE skills. As there becomes less new content more people will try to attempt it as well. In the end, the people that whine about pricing of goods really dont understand the online economies of games. The prices start really high as they are new/rare, prices plateau once the newness wears off and the degree of rarity is set, then after the plateau takes it's course, time/farming/outside issues causes the prices to go down, its just the way of stuff. The friggin Circle of Lif..... err Circle of GW Economy