Where'd The Rares go?

nyltak

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

Cold Black Eyes [CBE]

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Is it my imagination or are rares really hard to come by these days?

I am working on the Wisdom title, and have gotten to 2500 rares identified, I look at the time it took me, and then at the amount i need for the next lvl, 2500 more. OMG. I really dont want to run chests for 3 more years.

I would love to beable to play the game, go thru quests and missions and get rare drops. and let my title seeker id them.

But unless i am soloing GOK or farming Titans in DNKP, or doing a COF run - I hardly ever see a rare.
This game is called Guild Wars, not Rambo.

My guild has a fun time doing quests and helping each other out. Some titles seem to be counter productive towards the whole concept of the game.
I ve got legendary vanquisher and it was fun and a challange playing with guildees, but got maybe 1 or 2 rares in each zone i vanquished.

This just seems wrong to me.

Drop of Fear

Drop of Fear

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

W/

u're not supposed to earn all titles simply playing the game. why having multiple dozens of titles when just one could do the job?
"i play the game" (1) would be just fine

some titles do require time, don't come free

ImaCharginMahLazor!

ImaCharginMahLazor!

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Feb 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by nyltak
I really dont want to run chests for 3 more years.
Ttitles just show that you play too much. Jus cus u dont have the title doesnt mean ur a nub. Y bother if its going to take a very long time?

DarkGanni

DarkGanni

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Malta

[CuTe]

E/

Got over 7 gold drops in CoF 2 days ago, you're just bad luck.

- Ganni

KingKryton

KingKryton

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

New Zealand

W/Mo

pay 1k for unid golds and youll get more sellers. none of this 7 for 3k bullshit

Inger

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

R/Rt

well I'm sure that lots of people who have the title maxed (10 000ids) bought their unids from botters back when there were constantly spamming.

It will certainly take quite a while of time to get the title if you're going to go and find/id every single one of the golds yourself. But hey, thats what titles are... they wouldn't be much of an accomplishment if they didn't take some measure of work.

nyltak

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

Cold Black Eyes [CBE]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkGanni
Got over 7 gold drops in CoF 2 days ago, you're just bad luck.

- Ganni
I have also gotten 7 gold drops in CoF, but that doesnt occur if you do it more then 5 times in a day. how's your math 8000rares/7 = 1142 days == 3 years

Martin Alvito

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

If you play the same character in PvE all the time, you're not going to see a ton of gold drops. Just how it is. I've noticed in my discussions with other players that those who say they are "lucky" with their drops distribute their time relatively evenly over a lot of toons, and those that are "unlucky" play one PvE toon exclusively.

Makes sense if you think about it from an anti-botting standpoint. Can't prove conclusively that it's true...but the pattern I've observed has been quite clear.

MisterB

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

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It's not too hard to find spots in Hard mode(pun intended) that yeild a gold drop every ~3-5 minutes, or less. That said, if you are trying to get all the rares yourself to max Wisdom, you're doing it wrong. If you really want Wisdom, buy unID's from others.

nyltak

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

Cold Black Eyes [CBE]

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Let me be clearer, I dont want this title to be easy, and i dont want farmers to beable to go into a zone and get 30 rares. But maybe someone can come up an idea to have rares be a reward instead of somthing you buy or farm..

Is doing a mission with real players and getting 7 rares in the run so bad? or does anet prefer that everyone go solo to get the same result?

One way promotes comradory, the other promotes grinding and takes away the point of the title, and basically isnt fun anyway. I mean who cares if you have 10,000 rares id'd if you are a anti social non helpful guild member?

enter_the_zone

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2007

R/

Got a gold armor helping a guildy in Thirsty River HM today.

Shockingly, this was in PVE...

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

Sure? I made some VAettir to pay Tickets before the Last Canthan new year festival and I got 3..5 golds per run. I even got 3 usable ones out of 30 or so.

Onarik Amrak

Onarik Amrak

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2007

Astral Revenants

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by enter_the_zone
Shockingly, this was in PVE...
ORLY ?

englitdaudelin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

East Coast

Soldier's Union [SU]

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drop of Fear
u're not supposed to earn all titles simply playing the game. why having multiple dozens of titles when just one could do the job?
"i play the game" (1) would be just fine

some titles do require time, don't come free

Oh I so want this title. Throw this idea in Sardelac while you're at it.
It can replace all the nonmaxed titles for which I can't be bothered to farm, grind, id, pvp, pve, mission, or vanquish.
And it can confer absolutely NO benefit to display: No health, no movement buff, no damage buff, no extra energy, no skill, no damage.

7hir7een

7hir7een

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2007

United States

Hah, I'd love to know this as well. Of course, the fates of Guild Wars have decided they hate me, and as such anything luck-based I will fail miserably at.

Even then, I still got several golds just through normal play. Now I scarcely see one through a day's worth of play (several hours)

enter_the_zone

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2007

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by 7hir7een
Hah, I'd love to know this as well. Of course, the fates of Guild Wars have decided they hate me, and as such anything luck-based I will fail miserably at.

Even then, I still got several golds just through normal play. Now I scarcely see one through a day's worth of play (several hours)
Do you suffer from the same affliction as me? I like a single toon's play style far more than all the others combined so she gets overused.

7hir7een

7hir7een

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2007

United States

Quote:
Originally Posted by enter_the_zone
Do you suffer from the same affliction as me? I like a single toon's play style far more than all the others combined so she gets overused.
I play ranger and necromancer too. And occasionally dervish. Still happens. *shrug*

genofreek

genofreek

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

USA

Jenova's Apocolyptic Remains [JAR]

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My necro was charmed as hell last weekend. I was just doing standard issue Vabbi quests and at least once an hour, some gold dropped. I also got a shitload of dye.

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by nyltak
I have also gotten 7 gold drops in CoF, but that doesnt occur if you do it more then 5 times in a day. how's your math 8000rares/7 = 1142 days == 3 years
LA international district: "WTB gold unid 7=4k"

Put all those crappy whites, blues and purples to work. sAme with chalices and rin relics. Sell them, buy golds, get title. hell, get a monk and charge for runs. Take a hero monk for smiter, get a runnee to heal hero, charge 2k a piece that's 21 golds per run plus what gold, rares, and sell loot drops for you. Each run is about 45 minutes if you're good, so you can do more than one in a day. I'd say that cuts your 3 years down to about 6 months.

PinoyRurik

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

PNAS

W/Mo

wisdom titles...
arent bots made to do this? give you unids in mass quantity.

you can never earn 10000 unids just by beating the game, even if you beat the game 500+

impoc

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

Warriors of Legendary Chaos

A/

just curious, I'm out of the farming loop, what is CoF?

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by PinoyRurik
wisdom titles...
arent bots made to do this? give you unids in mass quantity.

you can never earn 10000 unids just by beating the game, even if you beat the game 500+
He's not talking about just beating the game a few times...he's talking about playing the game. Helping guildies, playing through favorite missions, completing tasks more than just going out, killing the same group of enemies, zoning and repeat.

to impoc...CoF is cathedral of flames dungeon in GWEN. You can 2-man the entire dungeon in under an hour.

Lady S Shiva

Lady S Shiva

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

CA

LOD???

W/Mo

i'm working on this title by myself, that means no money spend no gold unid, so far i got 4.8k, yea, it's kinda slow, but still fun.

Crom The Pale

Crom The Pale

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

Ageis Ascending

W/

Titles are meant to be a long term goal, and they are all doable.

If you want to max it fast its going to cost you a fortune, nobody that has it now maxed did so without purchasing at least a few unident items from other players.

When I hit rank 2 I basically gave up myself, just not worth time and effort to try and max that title for me. There is no real benifit attached to that title other than to try and impress others.

Drop of Fear

Drop of Fear

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

If you want to max it fast its going to cost you a fortune, nobody that has it now maxed did so without purchasing at least a few unident items from other players.
me. 13000 identified and another 6-7k sold unid to other ppl.
just run for chests in HM, u'll see your wisdom numbers go up fast

0mar

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Alvito
If you play the same character in PvE all the time, you're not going to see a ton of gold drops. Just how it is. I've noticed in my discussions with other players that those who say they are "lucky" with their drops distribute their time relatively evenly over a lot of toons, and those that are "unlucky" play one PvE toon exclusively.

Makes sense if you think about it from an anti-botting standpoint. Can't prove conclusively that it's true...but the pattern I've observed has been quite clear.
I'm going to put in my 2 cents and say there's something definitely correct about this post. I've been splitting my time between my Ritualist and my Paragon and I've already gotten 6 rare drops from monsters alone this weekend. In contrast, I can't remember the last time I got a gold drop with my Dervish, which has been my main toon for the last 18 months.

palladia

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

Gold and green drops from monsters have gotten ridiculously low. For golds, I rarely see more than 1 or 2 a day, and have resorted to buying lockpicks and work on my luck title at the same time. Unfortunately, that probably costs even more than buying unid'ed golds from players.

As for greens, let's not even go there. I recently bought and finished Factions. I completed all missions with master's awards, and probably 95% of quests. Guess what, not a single green has dropped for me.

It's all loot-scaling...

mage767

mage767

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

USA

LOVE

Me/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
Titles are meant to be a long term goal, and they are all doable.

If you want to max it fast its going to cost you a fortune, nobody that has it now maxed did so without purchasing at least a few unident items from other players.

When I hit rank 2 I basically gave up myself, just not worth time and effort to try and max that title for me. There is no real benifit attached to that title other than to try and impress others.
Sorry dude, I'm rank 7 ('Source of Wisdom') and I can honestly tell you that r7 gives more salvage materials on whites, purples AND I can use it successfully on rare weapons without having to worry about breaking it (which means I don't buy a Perfect Salvage Kit unless it is a really hot gold item I wish to modify).

MAX wisdom title matters, and is probably one of the harder titles to get.

Next on my list: Grandmaster Treasure Hunter

RhanoctJocosa

RhanoctJocosa

Legendary Korean

Join Date: Aug 2006

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

W/

those damn communists took them

baz777

baz777

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

South East England

Leader: Lady Hairy Armpits S[mell]

E/

I need 50 more for level 4 wisdom. This title, for me at least, just happens in the back ground as I've never bought unident gold items.

The odd farming run like this helps though

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10253459

Desbreko

Desbreko

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

California

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

I don't have any trouble finding Rares. I can just warp to my guild hall and there's usually one sitting around.

Seriously though I don't think you're meant to be able to max the Wisdom title without chest running and/or farming a whole lot. (Or buying unIDed rares, but being able to afford that also implies farming.) Obviously that's not for everyone but it provides a long term goal for the people who care to spend the time on it.

Still, with the advent of chests, lockpicks, and HM, rares are more plentiful than ever before.

angmar_nite

angmar_nite

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

[SNOW] of [YUM]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by ImaCharginMahLazor!
Ttitles just show that you play too much. Jus cus u dont have the title doesnt mean ur a nub. Y bother if its going to take a very long time?
My Legendary Guardian title takes me a total of 20 HOURS!!! IF I PLAY FOR 2 HOURS A DAY! I PLAY TOO MUCH! get mi outt of mah bazemnets plox

Kusandaa

Kusandaa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by ImaCharginMahLazor!
Ttitles just show that you play too much. Jus cus u dont have the title doesnt mean ur a nub. Y bother if its going to take a very long time?
Because I feel like it? That's usually why I do stuff, and I bet I'm not the only one.

I have around 2.2k rares IDed (nearly rank 5) since the title came out, on my main character - too bad it's one of those "unlucky" characters I don't get crap from playing on, rare-wise.

Most of my golds have come from other characters I farm more on (my rit and my monk). I just make the mistakes of IDing some of those on the characters I find them, but in general I'm careful about those.

I might make it a goal of mine to farm for cash to buy some unids (I'm slowly title hunting), but I've got other stuff I want to work on before.

stretchs

stretchs

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

Untimely Demise [Err了] - SOHK

I do the glacial farm alot and typically keep only my golds and grapes, sometimes dyes, but really i do the runs 3-5 rinses before i head back to town, lets you fill your inventory full each time, typically 1 keeper drop per 3 full inventories, but tons of mods and whatnot. The time doing that you are able to get a decent amt of golds to work towards a wisdom title, it just gets boring after a while and if you end up with a worm going through bjora you want to throw something at your screen

Tantra Existantance

Tantra Existantance

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

Ireland

W/

Well eh, I got r7 chromium shards(w/ crap mods tho) that dropped while Vanquishing Cantha, and Elite Nec tomes & overall about 30 golds while clearing all of Cantha. Most of which were runes, maybe you just have bad luck...we all get a spell of bad luck sometime :P

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

This is the most bogus thing I've ever heard. Period. The drop rate for gold has increased exponentially from every source other then chests.
It took me over 300 hours play time before my first gold droped for me back in Prophecies.
Last night in Urgoz HM, I had 6 golds drop for me in an hour and a half.
Now, chest running is a slow, tedious process, but by just playing the game, golds are easier to get now then ever before.

Mohnzh

Mohnzh

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

Might find me roaming around doing missions in hard mode...or maybe I'm lost in the Underworld...

[KCOR]

Mo/

I think I agree with HawkofStorms. The only way I got golds fast in Proph was 55ing the troll cave outside Droks, but even that was pretty slow. Now, going through Snowman Dungeon HM with a party full of H&H, I still get anywhere from 1-5 gold drops, plus 3-4 golds from chests, all in 15-20 minutes. Much faster than anything before.

KartMan

KartMan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

Grand Line

Plz Use R Instead of Q for [req]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady S Shiva
i'm working on this title by myself, that means no money spend no gold unid, so far i got 4.8k, yea, it's kinda slow, but still fun.
doing the same here since a while ago, currently have 6.7k and 6k chests, slow but funny indeed

unienaule

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

I sat down in my chair sideways the other day and got more gold drops than usual.

Seriously, guys, seriously.

nyltak

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

Cold Black Eyes [CBE]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
This is the most bogus thing I've ever heard. Period. The drop rate for gold has increased exponentially from every source other then chests.
It took me over 300 hours play time before my first gold droped for me back in Prophecies.
Last night in Urgoz HM, I had 6 golds drop for me in an hour and a half.
Now, chest running is a slow, tedious process, but by just playing the game, golds are easier to get now then ever before.

Didnt say they werent easy to get. I am saying 10,000 is too many, relative to the time it took me to get legendary everything, What would be the point in running chests for 3 more years? I've already got over 3500 hours played on this one charactor... This game was funner when it was about helping guildees.

here's another math problem for you 90minX6raresX10,000 = 150,000min = 2500 hours. Ok doesnt sound so bad, as long as i dont go to work, sleep or waste time interacting with the world. I can get that done in 100 days.

Have you farmed trolls lately? How many rares you think you ll get?

I am not going to re say what I said above. Go read it.