Bow position

Inger

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

R/Rt

Now we all know that female rangers fire their bows horizontally while males fire vertically. Also,Sins(and I'm not sure which other classes) also fire horizontally while warriors fire vertically.

What I'm wondering is what kind of style everyone likes. As in if you could choose how you hold your bow would you want to fire vertically, or horizontally?

doinchi

doinchi

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Singapore

Sheperd of Souls

W/Mo

That would be quite nice actually. In addition choosing which is you "Main" hand would be cool. So if your left handed, you can wield your weapon on your left.

I mean its something I notice and would like to change, but it doesn't keep me up at night hehe.

tasha

tasha

Auctions Mod

Join Date: Jan 2006

UK

Mystic Spiral [MYST]

I have to say I'm a fan of the style the female ritualist uses to fire a bow. There's a real flourish to the style and I have to really resist turning mine into a splinter barrager a lot of the time.

I've done a touch of archery in my time but have only ever fired vertically so I'd have to say that. As for Tasha... well I doubt she'd be able to hold Drago's Flatbow at shoulder height without it digging into the ground, so I think I have to say horizontally

MisterB

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

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Male Rangers can fire a bow horizontally with some attack skills.

edit:
[skill]Crippling Shot[/skill]
[skill]Pin Down[/skill]

I prefer the vertical firing.

gremlin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

GWAR

Me/Mo

I'm a traditionalist so it has to be vertically, there isn't any other way of drawing a bow sufficiently.
It just wouldn't have any worthwhile range or power, bring in magic and of course it might work, after all we do have an endless arrow supply.

Would like to see crossbows turning up, maybe the asura will design a few.

Repeating crossbow "Chu-ko-nu" for the asura,Low damage and range high fire rate.

Heavy crossbows and stonebows for the Dwarves and Charr Medium damage fire rate as for slowest of the standard game bows.

Huge siege arbelast for the Norn, slow fire rate but greater damage and knockdown.

Anyone else like to see crossbows ?

Mr. G

Mr. G

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

S. Wales

Mo/Me

I suppose this isnt exactly related but I allways piss myself when i see a male rit use a scythe

After casting any spell notice they seem to fall asleep on the spot - Wobbling at a bit

Im starting to think that scythe might be a bit heavy.....

Saraphim

Saraphim

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Hand of Omega [WHO]

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While it doesn't keep me awake at night, I'd prefer it if my female ranger fired vertically. Horizontal just looks odd to me.

Pleikki

Pleikki

WTB q8 15^50 Weapons!

Join Date: Nov 2006

???oo ???ugs ???lan [?????????]

Horizonally ofc. But i dont like rangers -.-

prism2525

prism2525

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

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my female ele shoots vertically when pulling with the flatbow

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

Horizontally is better for close range and vertical aiming.
Vertical is better for long range and horizontal aiming.

The position should be horizontal with the Short bow and short range/low aiming skills and vertical with the long bow and long range and arrow speed up skills (like under the effects of favorable winds)

Grasping Darkness

Grasping Darkness

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

i never even cared enough to notice my rangers bow positioning. i think behind the back would be cool maybe

Kusandaa

Kusandaa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

Prefer vertically, but I find horizontal firing rather amusing x].

captain_carter

captain_carter

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2007

England

The X Viles [TXV]

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Thinking about it, I imagine all the bows I've ever fired would be pretty useless horizontally, there'd be no way to draw the bow enough to produce any kind of reasonable shot, arrows would just bump into targets instead of causing any damage.
I guess horizontally would work with smaller tighter bows.

quickmonty

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by tasha_darke
I have to say I'm a fan of the style the female ritualist uses to fire a bow. There's a real flourish to the style and I have to really resist turning mine into a splinter barrager a lot of the time.
Yes. She kind of squats when she shoots. If there is not a Ranger in the group my Rit usually does the pulling. I keep a long bow on hand just in case.

Diddy bow

Diddy bow

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

A/D

I love the way female eles fire the FIRST shot they do, after wards the do a stander female ranger style one but the firs shot looks well good =D.

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Diddy bow
I love the way female eles fire the FIRST shot they do, after wards the do a stander female ranger style one but the firs shot looks well good =D.
Try it with a female paragon then

Covah

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Ontario, Canada

Catching Jellyfish With [소N트T ]

Me/Rt

male paragons with a bow ftw!

Kha

Kha

Sins FTW!

Join Date: Mar 2005

USA

Angel Sharks [AS]

Horizontal. To me it has more of an "in battle" feeling. Vertical makes me think I'm laying siege on a castle or something.

lakatz

lakatz

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Inger
Now we all know that female rangers fire their bows horizontally while males fire vertically. Also,Sins(and I'm not sure which other classes) also fire horizontally while warriors fire vertically.

What I'm wondering is what kind of style everyone likes. As in if you could choose how you hold your bow would you want to fire vertically, or horizontally?
How weird... my female ranger holds her bow vertically (perpendicular to the ground), not horizontally to the ground. And I went googling to find out what else firing a bow horizontally or vertically might mean. I couldn't find anything.

Help! I'm confused.

Inger

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

R/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by lakatz
How weird... my female ranger holds her bow vertically (perpendicular to the ground), not horizontally to the ground. And I went googling to find out what else firing a bow horizontally or vertically might mean. I couldn't find anything.

Help! I'm confused.

Really now... I've never seen that before, every female ranger (including my own) that i've seen has held their bow horizontally.

In terms of what the style means, in GW its just a matter of looks... now in real life I'm sure most ppl will say that firing a bow horizontally won't generate the same amount of power as vertically.

shrouded^god

shrouded^god

IGN: J C A C H E

Join Date: Sep 2006

843

[Liar]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kha
Horizontal. To me it has more of an "in battle" feeling. Vertical makes me think I'm laying siege on a castle or something.
Exactly...

12chars

Sakura Az

Sakura Az

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

The frozen north

Ambassadors Of Enlightenment [Sage]

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personaly i LOVE how my female ranger uses her bow and especialy when i use Cripshot, i use that skill so much just cause i love the animation.

lakatz

lakatz

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Inger
Really now... I've never seen that before, every female ranger (including my own) that i've seen has held their bow horizontally.

In terms of what the style means, in GW its just a matter of looks... now in real life I'm sure most ppl will say that firing a bow horizontally won't generate the same amount of power as vertically.
Hi... I'd love if you'd show me a screenshot of what you mean by horizontal. And when I get home, I'll take a screenshot of my ranger firing bows. I'm going to look at longbow, flatbow, recurve and shortbow. I'm very curious now.

Thanks!

Nevin

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

Maybe this is something that should be implemented in GW2? I'm sure lefties would appreciate wielding a sword in their left hand and shield in right. Swappable weapon positions? SOunds like a good idea eh Anet?

Inger

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

R/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by lakatz
Hi... I'd love if you'd show me a screenshot of what you mean by horizontal. And when I get home, I'll take a screenshot of my ranger firing bows. I'm going to look at longbow, flatbow, recurve and shortbow. I'm very curious now.

Thanks!
Heres my female ranger:





Heres my male ranger:





Notice how my female ranger's bow is horizontal(parrallel to the ground) Now its not 100% perfectly parallel but it is generally horizontal. The bow sort of makes her into a "t" if that makes it easier to visualize. My male ranger's bow is vertical or perpendicular to the ground.

These shots were fired just from normal attacks, no skills were used.

U Wanna Die

U Wanna Die

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

W/Mo

If i could choose i would pull on of those sick ancient moves where you get those giant bows, lie down and shoot with your feet. They fire like half a mile or something.

Operative 14

Operative 14

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Arizona, USA

[OOP] Order of the Phoenix I

To be honest, I think I'd prefer the horizontal style of my lady Ranger.

What I would really like though would be three or four different style animations that randomly get chosen when you shoot your bow. It would be more realistic if they did that.

Phaern Majes

Phaern Majes

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2005

Anywhere but up

The Panserbjorne [ROAR]

R/Mo

If I had a choice I'd choose a point in between vertical and horizontal. I'd call it a lazy horizontal shot! Really doesn't matter to me, I rarely look at my attack animations.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

I prefer Verticlal, it has a more "in battle" feel.
Vertical for in-agro bubble and Horizontal for out-agro bubble please!
My male ranger needs a style change.

By the way anyone noticed when using a preperation or something on a male ranger, unlike the female ranger his weapon disappears when he crouches?

I want moar style!

Grrr....I get confused with Horizontal and Vertical...
Might be a little hard to know what I mean exact 'cause I fail at definitions!

Shyft the Pyro

Shyft the Pyro

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

NYC, USA

E/Mo

Could it depend on bow type? I've been using the Ironwing Flatbow from Factions ever since beating that campaign on my female ranger, and I swear I've only seen her fire it vertically.

Sir Seifus Halbred

Sir Seifus Halbred

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

I just don't understand why the bows have no bowstrings, why they were never made, and why they never have been added in....

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Seifus Halbred
I just don't understand why the bows have no bowstrings, why they were never made, and why they never have been added in....
I've wondered the same thing too - and Rangers seem to shoot their spine on the bow.

Need moar style.

SonicTHI

SonicTHI

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Ion Cannon Operators

W/R

some people asked for moar style...
THIS
is the first thing that came to my mind

Kashrlyyk

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by gremlin
I'm a traditionalist so it has to be vertically, there isn't any other way of drawing a bow sufficiently.
It just wouldn't have any worthwhile range or power, bring in magic and of course it might work, after all we do have an endless arrow supply.
...
Agree. That is actually the reason why I don´t have a ranger. Instead I use a female Paragon, because somehow she uses the bow vertically always. I can´t stand the horizontal firing.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Diddy bow
I love the way female eles fire the FIRST shot they do, after wards the do a stander female ranger style one but the firs shot looks well good =D.
Female elementalists seem to shot horizontally when not using an attack skill and vertically when they do and the first shot after a spell.

You can't see me

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

Choosing this would be a good idea, but if you do this, than there will be even more call for right/left handed orientation. Such things just don't need time use prioty over GW2/actual bug fixes.

Arenanet hardly works on them at all. Imagine giving them another excuse not to.

Ebeneezersquid

Ebeneezersquid

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

PWNT 2.0

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by lakatz
And I went googling to find out what else firing a bow horizontally or vertically might mean. I couldn't find anything.
Using a bow horizontal to the ground is inefficient because you get less bower that way, and the only reason someone would do so in actual combat is because they have hunting-style broadhead arrows and are targeting a human.
Hunting broadheads have a head that is vertical (perpendicular to the ground) so that it can easily pass between the ribs of a game animal.
War broadheads have a head that is horizontal (parrallel to the ground) to easily pass between the ribs of a man.
When fighting a man with hunting broadheads, the archer turns his bow so that the arrow can pass between the ribs.

So GW is sexist, and refuses to give the female ranger the proper ammunition, I guess

Danax

Danax

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

Ontario

R/Mo

Well my male ranger is always vertical, but horizontal would be a nice change.

lakatz

lakatz

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Thanks Inger for the screenshots. Now I get what you mean.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebeneezersquid
Using a bow horizontal to the ground is inefficient because you get less bower that way, and the only reason someone would do so in actual combat is because they have hunting-style broadhead arrows and are targeting a human.
Hunting broadheads have a head that is vertical (perpendicular to the ground) so that it can easily pass between the ribs of a game animal.
War broadheads have a head that is horizontal (parrallel to the ground) to easily pass between the ribs of a man.
When fighting a man with hunting broadheads, the archer turns his bow so that the arrow can pass between the ribs.

So GW is sexist, and refuses to give the female ranger the proper ammunition, I guess
Thank you for this. I was totally confused and just went into GW as soon as I got home from work. I went on the attack with Jin using my Drago's flatbow and I using one of my longbows. We carried them vertically when standing and running (which makes sense to me) but when we attacked we did indeed roll them over horizontally. When I studied archery in high school (many years ago), we always fired vertically, and that was the only way I could imagine firing until I saw it for myself in GW. I guess it was important for the male devs that the females at least look inefficient. j/k

strcpy

strcpy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

One of Many [ONE]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebeneezersquid
Using a bow horizontal to the ground is inefficient because you get less bower that way, and the only reason someone would do so in actual combat is because they have hunting-style broadhead arrows and are targeting a human.
Umm, in real life the fletchings spin the arrow so that is irrelevant - they have spun the arrow for as long as they have been on arrows. For reasons unknown to me many believe that you somehow align the broad head to go between ribs. You will even see some modern day hunters with heavy helical (spin) on their fletchings believe so. Not only is that silly but even if true you would simply align the broad head on the arrow to allow you to fire the bow vertically. Watch the end of this video and you can clearly see the arrow spinning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48R2a...eature=related And, lastly, no matter the orientation of the broad head were you to hit bone it either sticks in it or breaks through it - they don't somehow slide around them.

Generally speaking repeatability is what you are seeking when shooting a bow. Where you place your string hand is called an "anchor" and MUST be consistent. This is the equivalent of a rear site on a rifle. Further it is easier to aim with the bow verticle and the arrow up close to your eye (regardless of you are shooting "instinctive" or using some point of aim method using the tip of the arrow).

Different areas of the world use different grips and anchors, most western countries grip the bow with their index, middle, and ring finger and either anchor with a finger in the corner of their mouth or under their chin. Asian and middle eastern countries tend towards using the thumb to hold the string and pulling to a point on the ears. Some Native Americans anchored at their chest, however they (at best) canted the bow no more than 30 or so degrees.

In any case no one outside of movies and video games holds a bow horizontally - or at least anyone that actually want to hit what they are shooting at (even in my junior program I will have a kid want to do it from time to time to emulate something on TV - they quickly find out why it doesn't work with a real bow). Even in situations where clearance was a problem (say, while riding a horse) did they do so. They either shot a fairly short bow or had the bottom limb shorter (the traditional Japanese longbows are made this way - really strange looking to most everyone else).

As for my preference - I prefer them to look more real and therefore vertical or a slight amount of cant (many shoot primitive that way because the arrow rests against your hand better). I would also like to see a proper follow through after the shot. There have been a few games that do it fairly well, at least as well as you are going to get with a game.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

I'd hold it diagonally, and gangsta style when I feel like it.