Armor debate
Aris the Accurate
I am looking to purchase a new set of armor for my para. I have been debating betwen Centurion and Survivor. Both have good points, but im looking for a rounded set (works well in pve and pvp). So which set is more rounded? Thanks for the help. n_n
madriel222
I would go with Centurion. Taking less damage per blow makes life easier on your monks and over the long haul will keep you alive longer than a little extra health.
Stormlord Alex
Survivor for both PvE and PvP.
Terraban
I'm an Armor-Addict.
Kyp Jade
arent there 10 other threads here in the paragon subforums about the same thing?
go centurions. 10 free armor.
Think about it this way
If you add 40 armor, you take 50% less damage
10 armor means you take 13% less damage.
Its worth more than the scant HP you gain from survivors
go centurions. 10 free armor.
Think about it this way
If you add 40 armor, you take 50% less damage
10 armor means you take 13% less damage.
Its worth more than the scant HP you gain from survivors
majikmajikmajik
mix both........
Faith Falls Fast
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Originally Posted by majikmajikmajik
mix both........
That is probably the worst option. Centurions effects aren't global, they only affect the armor piece they are attached to, thus you want to at least make sure they are on the chest and legs to ensure those are the spots hit the most. And for Survivors, it gives the largest boost to your health on the Chest and Leg pieces, overall it's pointless to mix them.
Terraban
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Originally Posted by Faith Falls Fast
That is probably the worst option. Centurions effects aren't global, they only affect the armor piece they are attached to, thus you want to at least make sure they are on the chest and legs to ensure those are the spots hit the most. And for Survivors, it gives the largest boost to your health on the Chest and Leg pieces, overall it's pointless to mix them.
This post proves nothing...
The chest is hit 3x as much as the hands.
The armor would take effect 3x as much as on the hands.
The extra health would add 3x as much as it does on the hands.
Mixing and matching loses no effectiveness if the benefits of +armor = the benefits of +health.
The chest is hit 3x as much as the hands.
The armor would take effect 3x as much as on the hands.
The extra health would add 3x as much as it does on the hands.
Mixing and matching loses no effectiveness if the benefits of +armor = the benefits of +health.
Arkantos
Extra health is useful in every situation, extra armor is not. I'd say +40 health is much more useful then +10 armor on a high armor midline character.
Shaz
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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
Survivor for both PvE and PvP.
+1. In PvE and PvP, paragons are rarely target at. +HP help in PvP when you accumulate some DP. Most kill in PvP are either made through spike which can contain a lot of armor ignoring damage or through health degeneration pressure with hexes and conditions. Both of which make Survivor a better choice. In PvE, it doesn't matter but I prefer Survivor there also.
Richardt
I would go with Centurions over Survivor.
But tbh....I use radiants on my para lol.
But tbh....I use radiants on my para lol.
Arkantos
Why do you use radiant insignias when you have leadership + shouts? Seems really useless.
Axel Zinfandel
I use Centurion, since It seems better in the long run then a little more health. Personally, I'd rather enemies target me in PvE, rather then my heroes/henchies. Paragons have 80 armor and a shield for a reason, so buffing health for the soul reason of not being targeted seems silly.
mrmango
But armor isn't better in the long run for reasons stated by Shaz and Arkantos.
And you're right, they have 96 armor for a reason, why make it 106? Health wins more.
And you're right, they have 96 armor for a reason, why make it 106? Health wins more.
MisterB
Health doesn't do anything unless you are at 1 HP. My Paragon is rarely targeted in PvE, and never drops that low. When I do get hit, Centurion reduces some forms of damage. Centurion is also cheaper, so I went with that.
But, since you want an all-purpose set(PvE and PvP), I have no comment on PvP Paragon armor.
But, since you want an all-purpose set(PvE and PvP), I have no comment on PvP Paragon armor.
Dodo The Extinct
Get Survivor armour.
cellardweller
Depends - If you're cheesing out a godmode para then you want survivors because you want to be the last one to be targetted by the ai. If you're not using pve skills then I'd go with centurions - when something is tearing up your mid/back line you want them to be on the highest AL target and the lower hp will make them choose you.
Shaz
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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel
Personally, I'd rather enemies target me in PvE, rather then my heroes/henchies.
I don't worry about my H/H because they have +100 armor 
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With TNTF reducing 35% of the damage, +10 Armor seem unnecessary. It's nice to have that +10 armor, yes. But I like to pick what's most useful, and extra health is always useful.
. With TNTF reducing 35% of the damage, +10 Armor seem unnecessary. It's nice to have that +10 armor, yes. But I like to pick what's most useful, and extra health is always useful.
Coloneh
mix. centurion's on pieces that get hit (chest and legs), survivors on the rest.
angmar_nite
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
mix. centurion's on pieces that get hit (chest and legs), survivors on the rest.
Then you'll get like +15 health which isn't very much...
Div
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
Why do you use radiant insignias when you have leadership + shouts? Seems really useless.
The same reason why people had energy issues even before the soul reaping change. And the same reason why people like to play in 15/-1 sets. Bigger energy = better; screw emanagement 
moko
not running Centurion is pretty dumb.
Paragon is imo definately the only class that should stick with +Armor instead of +HP.
Paragon is imo definately the only class that should stick with +Armor instead of +HP.
Richardt
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Originally Posted by holymasamune
The same reason why people had energy issues even before the soul reaping change. And the same reason why people like to play in 15/-1 sets. Bigger energy = better; screw emanagement
Hit right on the head XD
I just always preferred having a large energy pool myself.
And for some reason the AI ignores me as a para....so I don't worry much about getting hit lol.
Hit right on the head XDI just always preferred having a large energy pool myself.
And for some reason the AI ignores me as a para....so I don't worry much about getting hit lol.
angmar_nite
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Originally Posted by Richardt
Hit right on the head XD
I just always preferred having a large energy pool myself.
And for some reason the AI ignores me as a para....so I don't worry much about getting hit lol. I'm pretty sure he meant a lot of energy as a bad thing.
I just always preferred having a large energy pool myself.
And for some reason the AI ignores me as a para....so I don't worry much about getting hit lol. I'm pretty sure he meant a lot of energy as a bad thing.
Richardt
Well the reasons I use radiants is because I found I had some energy issues outside of combat-which may sound odd, but I use TNtF to keep up AR and with Centurions I ran into energy issues.
But radiant gave me a buffer that I greatly appreciated.
And plus I'm serious when I say the AI ignores me-the only way I take damage is if I stupidly stand in AoE or I decide to Leroy it. Outside of those two times the only time I get hit is if the party is dead-at which point I run for the hills lol.
EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm not recommending anyone else do this-this is really my personnal preference and trying to convince me otherwise will lead nowhere lol.
But radiant gave me a buffer that I greatly appreciated.
And plus I'm serious when I say the AI ignores me-the only way I take damage is if I stupidly stand in AoE or I decide to Leroy it. Outside of those two times the only time I get hit is if the party is dead-at which point I run for the hills lol.
EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm not recommending anyone else do this-this is really my personnal preference and trying to convince me otherwise will lead nowhere lol.
Shaz
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Originally Posted by Richardt
Well the reasons I use radiants is because I found I had some energy issues outside of combat-which may sound odd, but I use TNtF to keep up AR and with Centurions I ran into energy issues.
But radiant gave me a buffer that I greatly appreciated. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, but you fail as a paragon. Lots of energy does not equal e-management. Need energy so bad? Use a staff on one of the set. I use TNTF to upkeep AR too, and have no energy problem. Maybe you should keep up with your teammate and make sure they're in earshot of you. Other than that, I don't see how you could have energy problem with -15+6 = -9 energy use for TNTF, and TNTF take 20 secs to recharge. In that 20 secs you should regain all the energy used for it and more. Even in 4man area, you shouldn't have energy problem. Paragon in general shouldn't have energy problem.
But radiant gave me a buffer that I greatly appreciated. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, but you fail as a paragon. Lots of energy does not equal e-management. Need energy so bad? Use a staff on one of the set. I use TNTF to upkeep AR too, and have no energy problem. Maybe you should keep up with your teammate and make sure they're in earshot of you. Other than that, I don't see how you could have energy problem with -15+6 = -9 energy use for TNTF, and TNTF take 20 secs to recharge. In that 20 secs you should regain all the energy used for it and more. Even in 4man area, you shouldn't have energy problem. Paragon in general shouldn't have energy problem.
Lishy
I personally think that as long as you are not below 400 hp(Which you shouldn't in PvP?) then +armor is the way to go.Especially because Paragons are priority in pvp and because AR provides -20 armor for you.
Racthoh
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Especially because Paragons are priority in pvp and because AR provides -20 armor for you.
Paragons are priority in PvP? 
Yichi
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Originally Posted by Racthoh
Paragons are priority in PvP?
when the hell did that happen?
when the hell did that happen?
Shaz
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Originally Posted by Kain Fz
I personally think that as long as you are not below 400 hp(Which you shouldn't in PvP?) then +armor is the way to go.Especially because Paragons are priority in pvp and because AR provides -20 armor for you.
Not trying to flame here, but have you PvP or even observed PvP before? 400hp and paragon are priority in PvP?
Richardt
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Originally Posted by Shaz
I'm not trying to convince you of anything, but you fail as a paragon. Lots of energy does not equal e-management. Need energy so bad? Use a staff on one of the set. I use TNTF to upkeep AR too, and have no energy problem. Maybe you should keep up with your teammate and make sure they're in earshot of you. Other than that, I don't see how you could have energy problem with -15+6 = -9 energy use for TNTF, and TNTF take 20 secs to recharge. In that 20 secs you should regain all the energy used for it and more. Even in 4man area, you shouldn't have energy problem. Paragon in general shouldn't have energy problem.
Personnal preference is all I can say.
As you say I should be able to get away from using it. I found that when I first started I had an energy issue. I prolly have that fixed by now.
But you know what? I don't really care. I rarely get hit, and when I get a party wipe it's because some noob overaggroed. So why really change? I like having the extra energy and I've actually said to go ahead and use Centurions.
I don't really see why you felt the need to be insulting.
And besides, just because one person does it one way doesn't mean it can't be done another way. There are multiple solutions to this, some of them optimal some of them not. Is me using Radiants 100% optimal? Not really. But does it work? Yes it does-and it works very well.
So before you say someone "fails" at something, pull your head out of you butt and think for yourself.
As you say I should be able to get away from using it. I found that when I first started I had an energy issue. I prolly have that fixed by now.
But you know what? I don't really care. I rarely get hit, and when I get a party wipe it's because some noob overaggroed. So why really change? I like having the extra energy and I've actually said to go ahead and use Centurions.
I don't really see why you felt the need to be insulting.
And besides, just because one person does it one way doesn't mean it can't be done another way. There are multiple solutions to this, some of them optimal some of them not. Is me using Radiants 100% optimal? Not really. But does it work? Yes it does-and it works very well.
So before you say someone "fails" at something, pull your head out of you butt and think for yourself.
mrmango
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Originally Posted by Richardt
And besides, just because one person does it one way doesn't mean it can't be done another way. There are multiple solutions to this, some of them optimal some of them not. Is me using Radiants 100% optimal? Not really. But does it work? Yes it does-and it works very well.
So before you say someone "fails" at something, pull your head out of you butt and think for yourself. Bolded is subjective. If you ask me, very well is most optimal.
So before you say someone "fails" at something, pull your head out of you butt and think for yourself. Bolded is subjective. If you ask me, very well is most optimal.
Shaz
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Originally Posted by Richardt
Quote: Originally Posted by Richardt And besides, just because one person does it one way doesn't mean it can't be done another way. I never say you can't, as I said before I'm not trying to convince you of anything, I can careless of what you do. Just trying to clear up some thing for people who aren't familiar with paragon.
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There are multiple solutions to this, some of them optimal some of them not. Is me using Radiants 100% optimal? Not really. But does it work?
A paragon with no insignia work. And you put on Radiant so of course it still work, your point is?
It is not the most optimal, in fact, it is useless energy.
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It is not the most optimal, in fact, it is useless energy.
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When did I ever tell you to get more then one set of armor? I don't think I did, I have one set of armor myself. Plus, none of the paragon builds requires Radiants, if it does then it's a bad build.|
Originally Posted by Richardt
So before you say someone "fails" at something, pull your head out of you butt and think for yourself.
lol, good one. I can think for myself quite well, thank you very much.
Richardt
A few of things to note:
1) On the first page I said use Centurions over Survivor. Only thing I did "wrong" was admit I use Radiants-and I said that's because I enjoy having a larger energy pool. Once again personnal pref. 2) In a post I made earlier today I said I don't recommend it and that it was just my personnal preference. I like to go against the grain-and plus the SY/TNtF para isn't the only build I run on my para-so why should I have multiple armors when 1 suffices for me? 3) I keep an open mind-and trust me if our positions were reversed, I would've read your post as personnal preference, and not insulted you by saying "you fail". 4) You could've added in your 2 cents without acting like an ***.
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by moko
not running Centurion is pretty dumb.
Paragon is imo definately the only class that should stick with +Armor instead of +HP. I like centurion, but could you come up with some sort of reasoning behind that?
Richardt
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
I like centurion, but could you come up with some sort of reasoning behind that?
The basic idea is that a paragon is always under the effects of a shout/chant.
Thus you should always have 90 armor instead of 80.
Racthoh
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
I like centurion, but could you come up with some sort of reasoning behind that?
As there is no way to strip Echos, and Aggressive Refrain is an Echo and every paragon has it, it's an automatic +10. The only time that +10 will drop is outside of combat (only time AR might drop) when it won't matter.
Shaz
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4) You could've added in your 2 cents without acting like an ***.
You should have use that advice on yourself too.
Sorry but I like to be truthful. If you fail, I will say you fail and not try to sugarcoat it. My statement still stand, if anyone need Radiants as a paragon then they fail as a paragon.
Bluefeather
I may not know a lot about armor. But does degen reduce damage on armors with +armor?
If health degen skills can be reduced by higher armor, then i'll change my armor for having +60HP to highest +armor upgrade.
angmar_nite
It can't. But with regards to degen, the +60 health won't matter until you only have 60 health left. Healing a char from 61 to 570 is just as easy as 1 to 510.
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