As has been stated a million times, without a screen shot of a Max Req 7 INSCRIBED item to post this discution is really pointless.
If they drop and the drop rate is so low that only 1 player in all of GW is likely to get one each month, then it really might as well not drop at all.
It's official, they still drop
Crom The Pale
Pyro maniac
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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
As has been stated a million times, without a screen shot of a Max Req 7 INSCRIBED item to post this discution is really pointless.
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we are talking about req 7 max non-inscripables here. They dropped 'alot' before nightfall, however when NF was released none was found anymore (not in Elona, but also not in Tyria/Cantha)
Yawgmoth
An evidence would be any WHITE max req.7 item with a skin that didn't exist before Nightfall release.
Before NF white max req.7s were pretty common (like white max req.8s are now) but not a single one is confirned to have dropped after NF.
I'd say that the whole question was probably just misunderstood or not investigated closely enough. The key word 'max' was not in the question nor answer. Not even getting into what iterests us the most - whether there's a possibility for a gold one to drop / or any color inscribable.
This type of answer we got tells us nothing. A much better question would be : what happened at Nightfall release update - did they intend to remove the possibility of req.7 max dropping or maybe they wanted to make them much more rare "super rare" and they made them so rare that none have been found or even some unintended feature blocks them from dropping.
Before NF white max req.7s were pretty common (like white max req.8s are now) but not a single one is confirned to have dropped after NF.
I'd say that the whole question was probably just misunderstood or not investigated closely enough. The key word 'max' was not in the question nor answer. Not even getting into what iterests us the most - whether there's a possibility for a gold one to drop / or any color inscribable.
This type of answer we got tells us nothing. A much better question would be : what happened at Nightfall release update - did they intend to remove the possibility of req.7 max dropping or maybe they wanted to make them much more rare "super rare" and they made them so rare that none have been found or even some unintended feature blocks them from dropping.
Cale Roughstar
As I recall, there was a SS posted not too long ago where a guy had found some req7 Max Gold Chromium Shards while vanquishing Imperial Sanctum. I haven't been able to find the thread yet, but oh well. Believe it or not.
Cacheelma
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Originally Posted by Shakkara
That is if you're going to sell it. I sure wouldn't sell them and I don't care if they're blue/purple/gold... I actually use a few purple items such as a fiery gladius, who cares about the color?
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Can't squeeze 2 extra points into your 4/2/6/7/7/7 build?
My warrior use req13 max purple sword with good skin. I max out the swordmastery for damage (16), which is the point of using a sword as a warrior anyway.
With that said; who cares about req?
cthulhu reborn
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Originally Posted by Shakkara
That is if you're going to sell it. I sure wouldn't sell them and I don't care if they're blue/purple/gold... I actually use a few purple items such as a fiery gladius, who cares about the color?
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When you have a purple fiery gladius and people ask you if it's a gold and you say "no it's purple" people will lose all interested and not be impressed. People want to be impressed and impress others. It's like a genetic defect but I guess it does make life more interesting.
If you are happy with a purple one, more power to you. For most people though...not the same...
Sha Noran
The power traders, the pro-pvers, the trade forum bugs, the chest runners, the old pros, and a year of Kamadan/LA/Ascalon trade spam are not all wrong at the same time.
Gaile may be telling the truth, but if so, "John" is either wrong or being intentionally dodgy. Whether the system is working as intended or not, however, the fact remains: there is no such thing as a max, req. 7 and inscribable item, and there have been no new max damage, gold and req. 7 drops of any kind since the release of Guild Wars: Nightfall.
Gaile may be telling the truth, but if so, "John" is either wrong or being intentionally dodgy. Whether the system is working as intended or not, however, the fact remains: there is no such thing as a max, req. 7 and inscribable item, and there have been no new max damage, gold and req. 7 drops of any kind since the release of Guild Wars: Nightfall.
Malice Black
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Originally Posted by Sha Noran
The power traders, the pro-pvers, the trade forum bugs, the chest runners, the old pros, and a year of Kamadan/LA/Ascalon trade spam are not all wrong at the same time.
Gaile may be telling the truth, but if so, "John" is either wrong or being intentionally dodgy. Whether the system is working as intended or not, however, the fact remains: there is no such thing as a max, req. 7 and inscribable item, and there have been no new max damage, gold and req. 7 drops of any kind since the release of Guild Wars: Nightfall. |
Until someone of notable trade worth posts a SS to prove otherwise, this all remains a rumor.
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by Magikarp
because everyone that plays guild wars joined GWG, so they can be bad mouthed by you and all the other elitist.
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Given that, and given nature of interent, if something notable like r7 drop happens, we will now even if person for which it dropped never heard of guru and noone here knew he existed.
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Also, zwie2stein: droprates CANNOT be that hard to code. Seriously. Anything with any non-zero percentage chance WILL appear.
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Lady S Shiva
ppl can't afford, could care less...
Sha Noran
I just thought I would come back and cite Drago Stoneherder's mysterious 3rd bow (Stoneherder's Flatbow), which was not added to the game until June 1st, 2007, after not being in the game for 21 months, as perfect evidence of incorrect drop rate percentages. Though for a very long time it was "common knowledge" that Drago was the only Sorrow's boss with two greens instead of three, it only came to light that the bow existed when it's stats were listed as changed on a list of altered greens in a game update, even though the bow had never dropped... it turned out the bow had been in the game the whole time, and the drop rate was simply wrong so that it dropped 0% of the time... or so they said when it was added.
Bowstring Badass
Hmm r7?
Haven't seen one of those since just proph when I got a white one...
Haven't seen one of those since just proph when I got a white one...
jaeharys targaryen
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Originally Posted by Jongo River
I thought the general consensus, in previous threads, was that they still dropped, just not in Nightfall or GW:EN (hence no inscribable r7's)?
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Shakkara
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Originally Posted by Cacheelma
And you want to use req7 non-gold max items because?
Can't squeeze 2 extra points into your 4/2/6/7/7/7 build? My warrior use req13 max purple sword with good skin. I max out the swordmastery for damage (16), which is the point of using a sword as a warrior anyway. With that said; who cares about req? |
Swordmanship/Axe Mastery 12+X
Other skill 11
Strength/Tactics 6+1
I own both a R7 strength and tactics shield
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Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn
Well you are one of a rare breed. Most people want golds as much as they want brand names in real life. Does it really make sense? From a logical point of view no, but then how many people apply logic in every aspect of their life?
When you have a purple fiery gladius and people ask you if it's a gold and you say "no it's purple" people will lose all interested and not be impressed. People want to be impressed and impress others. It's like a genetic defect but I guess it does make life more interesting. If you are happy with a purple one, more power to you. For most people though...not the same... |
Darkobra
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I'll say it again; Does it MATTER if it still drops or not?
The fact that there isn't ONE of it existed for all of us to see; THAT'S WHAT MATTERS. I mean, sure sure it has a chance to drop, but nobody gets it (somehow). So what? Req7 can't drop = nobody has it. Req7 can drop but hasn't yet (to those who can show it to us) = nobody can see it = same result as though it can't drop. What's the point arguing over it? So you can fool some req7 sellers to lower the price? Seriously? |
manitoba1073
The question that was asked was simple. It was can req 7 max golds still drop or not? That was the question asked. And now we got official word from that question and you guys are still trying to play it off. I know the question because I was the one that asked for the official answer.
Molock
Why is it so hard to believe that r7's still drop? Geez... John said they do, so they probably do drop. Just because you haven't got one (or have some and don't want them to lose value.. even though they won't) doesn't mean that Gaile and John are bs'ing you...
dargon
I'll be honest, i've never gotten a r7 item, a couple r8's but never a 7. However, even if I did, I sure wouldn't be bragging about it here, my inbox would be filled with posts of people offering to buy it, the threads would become flame fests of 'Photoshopped' etc. Not worth the grief. ANet says they drop, I'm fine with that. ANet says they are incredibly rare, i'm fine with that also. This rush to call people retards, to say that the developers know not what they speak of, etc etc etc is pure immature bullshit. Guru has approximately 150000 user accounts, lets say roughly 75% of those are active and the rest either inactive, banned or simply lurkers, so we now have 112000 people who post, not all of them post in or even read the same threads as everyone else, so lets say 90000 people will at some point view a thread about r7 weapons. ANet has sold roughly 4000000 copies of the game, but most of those have gone to previously existing accounts, so lets say 2000000 accounts. In order to be fairly certain of one of those 90000 accounts to get an r7 item, the drop rate would have to be pretty high. We know that's not the case, as nobody here has seen one recently, so either the rate is incredibly low, by which I mean 1 in 15000000 etc, or they simply don't drop. Just because the odds say 1 in 100, etc, doesn't mean if you kill 100 mobs, you'll get the drop, each kill is still only 1 in 100 chance, the numbers don't change, the more you kill.
zwei2stein
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... the numbers don't change, the more you kill.
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if you kill 100 of whatver with 1% chace of success each, your total succes chance would be about 63% (i might be terribly wrong with this math ofc)
lets bring forth some assumptions:
say, we have 50 000 players logged in at all times and one item drops for player every 4 minutes. Thats 18 000 000 items generated each day. (it is very consevative number, imho)
that makes 10 000 000 000 items dropped since NF was released.
Someone can do proper lamba hypothesis calculations about it is but i dare to say from top of my head with 95% of "sureness" that drop rate is worse than one-in-1 000 000 000
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Best thing is, imho, to add special message whenever suche item is generated, aside useless "x y z has reached no-life tier of grind title" broadcast we could se "x y z picked up superuniquephatloot, the r7 smiting bo staff."
Devs of some other games did so to quell BS calls on randomness of some stuff.
kerpall
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Originally Posted by manitoba1073
The question that was asked was simple. It was can req 7 max golds still drop or not? That was the question asked. And now we got official word from that question and you guys are still trying to play it off. I know the question because I was the one that asked for the official answer.
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, there were some jerks on there 100% sure they didnt drop.Like i said multiple times "their drop rate is rare, because no body farms in prophs or factions anyways".
Thankyou for proving my point, that its just the rare drop rate!
Biostem
I think there is some confusion over what 'proof' is. Proof would be a screenshot, or seeing the item in-game. Someone, even a company representative like Gaile, saying "yes they drop" isn't proof. It's a very strong affirmation about the game mechanics, but it isn't 'proof'.
kerpall
Regardless of how much you truely care, proof* has been provided.
* although not solid proof, she has gotten confirmation from a dev?
* although not solid proof, she has gotten confirmation from a dev?
I Not A Real Doctor
I don't agree with those that said this was proof for a few reasons...
1. There have been ~ZERO~ r7 items reported, confirmed, screen shots, or anything of the like. r7 Items weren't exactly common in tyria and cantha, but they are out there.
2. Look at the mistake they made with Stoneherder's flatbow for example (couple posts back). John probably knows the game code well, but there could be an error similar to this one where the code is glitched (can happen very easily if you have actually written code you would know this).
3. R7 might be rare, but one might argue that ghostly heros and everlasting beetle tonics are rare too. There are a hell of a lot more gold drops per day than people opening chests or doing hoh and yet there are these ~Incredibly~ rare items out there. I'm pretty sure the devs did not intend for R7 items to be rarer than everlasting beetle tonic or a ghostly hero. I mean come on, it's just logical thinking
1. There have been ~ZERO~ r7 items reported, confirmed, screen shots, or anything of the like. r7 Items weren't exactly common in tyria and cantha, but they are out there.
2. Look at the mistake they made with Stoneherder's flatbow for example (couple posts back). John probably knows the game code well, but there could be an error similar to this one where the code is glitched (can happen very easily if you have actually written code you would know this).
3. R7 might be rare, but one might argue that ghostly heros and everlasting beetle tonics are rare too. There are a hell of a lot more gold drops per day than people opening chests or doing hoh and yet there are these ~Incredibly~ rare items out there. I'm pretty sure the devs did not intend for R7 items to be rarer than everlasting beetle tonic or a ghostly hero. I mean come on, it's just logical thinking
manitoba1073
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Originally Posted by I Not A Real Doctor
I don't agree with those that said this was proof for a few reasons...
1. There have been ~ZERO~ r7 items reported, confirmed, screen shots, or anything of the like. r7 Items weren't exactly common in tyria and cantha, but they are out there. 2. Look at the mistake they made with Stoneherder's flatbow for example (couple posts back). John probably knows the game code well, but there could be an error similar to this one where the code is glitched (can happen very easily if you have actually written code you would know this). 3. R7 might be rare, but one might argue that ghostly heros and everlasting beetle tonics are rare too. There are a hell of a lot more gold drops per day than people opening chests or doing hoh and yet there are these ~Incredibly~ rare items out there. I'm pretty sure the devs did not intend for R7 items to be rarer than everlasting beetle tonic or a ghostly hero. I mean come on, it's just logical thinking |
kerpall
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Originally Posted by I Not A Real Doctor
I don't agree with those that said this was proof for a few reasons...
3. R7 might be rare, but one might argue that ghostly heros and everlasting beetle tonics are rare too. There are a hell of a lot more gold drops per day than people opening chests or doing hoh and yet there are these ~Incredibly~ rare items out there. I'm pretty sure the devs did not intend for R7 items to be rarer than everlasting beetle tonic or a ghostly hero. I mean come on, it's just logical thinking |
They probably drop more than you think, but do people really take the time to sell r7 max blues / whites / purples on guru?
I merched a max r7 (white, no mods) defender a couple months ago. i thought to myself "wow r7, too bad it sucks" . If I had known that there were so many sceptics, i very well would have taken several pictures verifying its date (post NF release).
Who in the right mind takes the Effort to post a "WTS r7 max white/blue weapon" ?
This is why you are lead to believe they no longer exist, because of the very FEW that drop, only a small % are Gold, and even a smaller % have mods worth posting on guru for.
chessyang
dang it!! after your old thread got closed i didn't bother to SS any of my drops. still no max req 7.
good luck to all who bother and don't forget the SS
good luck to all who bother and don't forget the SS
Cacheelma
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Originally Posted by manitoba1073
Dont you mean its logical sense that if the loot dev says they still drop that they actually do drop.
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Zinger314
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I'd be so rich if I get 1$ everytime Anet people say something that is wrong.
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Gun Pierson
The hunt for the holy grail continues...
the observations we have so far are:
- not one max golden q7 has been reported over a period of time
- they used to drop on a very rare basis before Nightfall if I'm not mistaken, and they were uninscr.
- Gaile asked John about it and he said they still drop on very rare occasion.
- less people are playing in (the areas) of prophecies now.
Some explenations could be:
1. John thinks they still drop but there's an error somewhere and they don't drop.
2. There was an error somewhere in the communication and John thinks we're talking about non max golden (inscr.) q7 weapons for example. I don't think this is the case though. Would be silly.
3. The drop rate is so low that the chance that one gets reported is close to zero. Let's say one drop every ten months on average. There's a high chance imo it will be found by a casual player or someone who just isn't aware of it. Can possibly merch, salvage it for the +30/sundering mod or storage it etc. Can be found by a noob too who knows nothing about max dmg of weapons and req yet.
the observations we have so far are:
- not one max golden q7 has been reported over a period of time
- they used to drop on a very rare basis before Nightfall if I'm not mistaken, and they were uninscr.
- Gaile asked John about it and he said they still drop on very rare occasion.
- less people are playing in (the areas) of prophecies now.
Some explenations could be:
1. John thinks they still drop but there's an error somewhere and they don't drop.
2. There was an error somewhere in the communication and John thinks we're talking about non max golden (inscr.) q7 weapons for example. I don't think this is the case though. Would be silly.
3. The drop rate is so low that the chance that one gets reported is close to zero. Let's say one drop every ten months on average. There's a high chance imo it will be found by a casual player or someone who just isn't aware of it. Can possibly merch, salvage it for the +30/sundering mod or storage it etc. Can be found by a noob too who knows nothing about max dmg of weapons and req yet.
kerpall
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The hunt for the holy grail continues...
3. The drop rate is so low that the chance that one gets reported is close to zero. Let's say one drop every ten months on average. There's a high chance imo it will be found by a casual player or someone who just isn't aware of it. Can possibly merch, salvage it for the +30/sundering mod or storage it etc. Can be found by a noob too who knows nothing about max dmg of weapons and req yet. |
~ They DO drop
~ This has been Confirmed by a Dev
~ They would drop at an extremely (almost 0%) chance
~ Not every GW players uses forums, and there could very well have been a drop within the past month, that somebody might have just kept, rather than selling it. Or simply is one of the several hundred thousands of GW players that Dont speak english.
~ Chances of a bot getting one and merching it is higher than the casual player getting one. >_< , sad, but who knows how many precious r7's have been merched by a bot.
~ OR some people cannot grasp that such evidence, that they have demanded for ages, has just surfaced, supporting r7's dropping. Based on other threads, all those people that said "r7's no longer drop, blah blah blah, i'm a dick" would feel mighty stupid if this current surfaced evidence is legit. Thus will make up ANY excuse to twist the truth, and cold hard fact.
HawkofStorms
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Dont you mean its logical sense that if the loot dev says they still drop that they actually do drop.
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Because it is possible that John made a mistake or there is a mistake in the code or didn't understand the question.
All people make mistakes, even authority figures.
Look, nobody is pissed that somebody says r7s drop. We are just sceptical, and rightfully so.
unienaule
I'm more of the school of thought that Gaile's statement was terribly worded and vague and that nobody should be basing any conclusions of any sort off of it. But hey, what do I know, right.
I Not A Real Doctor
Hey I'm not trying to be cold or anything like that, I just don't agree with the devs because since nightfall came out zero r7 inscribables have been dropped. If there are not any yet, they need to adjust the drop rate because currently there are ZERO.
Agree with me or not that's fine, believe whatever you want. Just remember devs make mistakes just like everyone else. The Devs "confirmed" the dupe bug was gone too remember?
Agree with me or not that's fine, believe whatever you want. Just remember devs make mistakes just like everyone else. The Devs "confirmed" the dupe bug was gone too remember?
Kerwyn Nasilan
So they do still drop according to this, but if no recorded and documented req. 7 max has dropped (past the suspected "cutoff" point) then teh drop rate is so ridicoulously low it doesnt really matter if they still drop imho
Pleikki
yeah we just know now they drop but we havent seen any in more then 1 year? that means probably noneone will get one in more then 1 year :d
Gun Pierson
Would it be to much to ask to increase the drop rate? Do we want them to drop? Like the rare chance we had in the old days for example?
Personally I have no objection as I see no ground breaking imba stuff for pvp or pve, just some more vanity and the thrill to have more of a realistic chance to see one drop. I would find it more fun to have more max req7 weapon drops.
Personally I have no objection as I see no ground breaking imba stuff for pvp or pve, just some more vanity and the thrill to have more of a realistic chance to see one drop. I would find it more fun to have more max req7 weapon drops.
Cacheelma
Well I can see some unbalanced issues with req7 shield or icon (just shield mostly). But other than that it's fine.
kerpall
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Hey I'm not trying to be cold or anything like that, I just don't agree with the devs because since nightfall came out zero r7 inscribables have been dropped. If there are not any yet, they need to adjust the drop rate because currently there are ZERO.
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r7 non-inscribable's from factions, or proph = very low drop rate atm (the lack of people farmnig in these campaigns definately not helping either) , according to Dev.
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Originally Posted by Pleikki
yeah we just know now they drop but we havent seen any in more then 1 year? that means probably noneone will get one in more then 1 year :d
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manitoba1073
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r7 inscribable's = no such thing
r7 non-inscribable's from factions, or proph = very low drop rate atm (the lack of people farmnig in these campaigns definately not helping either) , according to Dev. |
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10259314
kerpall
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John never said that req7 inscribale dont drop. They drop the same as the others drop its just that the areas for them to drop with the highest chances are very very few. see here for what I mean
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10259314 |
I can believe r7 non-inscr's still dropping, but no-longer at their Peak of yearly drop rate.
However, r7 inscribable's would have been at their Peak of drop rate before hard mode, just after the release of nightfall. Because inscribable weapons are a different system than non inscribable weapons, it is possible that they set the minimum req for max to r8 in Nightfall, and for other inscribable weapons. While the old system they have programmed for requirements of item drops, hasn't been updated in non-inscribable regions. So their minimum (max dmg) requirement is still r7.