This build designed for pure pve paragon.
The build:
Anthem Of Envy
Barbed Spear
Spear of Lightning
"Im The Strongest"
"Finish Him"
Aggressive Refrain
Focused Anger
Signet of Return
you can change Focused Anger for "For Great Justice", And Im The Strongest" for Stunning strike.
Spear Mastery-10
Leadership-10
Command-10
About the spear,shield and runes im not sure so I need your help in it.
50% Paragon (Its a build)
SupErioR
angmar_nite
How do you keep up aggressive refrain?
blue.rellik
Barbed Spear is a bad skill. Do you really need to kill your elite slot so you can power out bleeding and Envy?
jonnieboi05
i agree... you should definately consider changing some of those skills out. ^^
kobey
Just wondering:
Y isn't "There's Nothing to Fear" or "Save Yourselves" on the bar?
Y isn't "There's Nothing to Fear" or "Save Yourselves" on the bar?
Axel Zinfandel
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Originally Posted by kobey
Just wondering:
Y isn't "There's Nothing to Fear" or "Save Yourselves" on the bar? because maybe not everyone wants to be an imbagon?
Y isn't "There's Nothing to Fear" or "Save Yourselves" on the bar? because maybe not everyone wants to be an imbagon?
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel
because maybe not everyone wants to be an imbagon?
Then in that case why else is Focused Anger there?
If you're not running an imbagon, gogo Cruel Spear / Defensive Anthem!!
If you're not running an imbagon, gogo Cruel Spear / Defensive Anthem!!
angmar_nite
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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel
because maybe not everyone wants to be an imbagon?
why?
I mean in other classes, alternatives have equal usefulness value, a MM vs. an SS, a Axe verse a sword...
Imbagon > all
I mean in other classes, alternatives have equal usefulness value, a MM vs. an SS, a Axe verse a sword...
Imbagon > all
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[DE]
People like to gimp their builds for the sake of vanity and being original. If it wasn't for that everyone would be a paragon in pve.
SupErioR
angmar_nite-
Im keeping aggressive refrain up with anthem of envy.
And im using focused anger to use anthem of envy and the atack skills (anthem of envy rocks! +20 damage for each member in one use+Im the strongest for 8 atacks that gives you +20 is deadly!)
and when the enemy reachs below 50% use finish him and keep killing him^^
and btw, i realy think ill change the barbed spear for blazing spear or something.
Im keeping aggressive refrain up with anthem of envy.
And im using focused anger to use anthem of envy and the atack skills (anthem of envy rocks! +20 damage for each member in one use+Im the strongest for 8 atacks that gives you +20 is deadly!)
and when the enemy reachs below 50% use finish him and keep killing him^^
and btw, i realy think ill change the barbed spear for blazing spear or something.
blue.rellik
How do you maintain Aggressive Refrain when you're not fighting?
Yichi
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Originally Posted by blue.rellik
How do you maintain Aggressive Refrain when you're not fighting?
normally you would spam [skill]Anthem of Flame[/skill] or some other anthem on recharge while runnign towards your next target.
Since he doesn't seem to have one, short answer, he won't.
Since he doesn't seem to have one, short answer, he won't.
Richardt
Maybe instead of barbed spear, maybe Spear of Redemption?
But you definetely need an energy shout though to maintain AR outside of battle. And switch Focused Anger for Cruel Spear, and maybe Sig. of Return for For Great Justice-let your heroes do the rezzing
But you definetely need an energy shout though to maintain AR outside of battle. And switch Focused Anger for Cruel Spear, and maybe Sig. of Return for For Great Justice-let your heroes do the rezzing
Skyros
50% Lame (Its the Fact)
Bravo on the build for your high level ingenuity and deep level of consideration to the fact that besides going solo with heroes and henchies, there is no application to using your build with any PvE build/group.
Yea i know Paras have dreat DPS and spike potential but this is PvE... only reason people take Paras are for their ability to keep the party alive with armor buffs, party wide heals/condition removal, and damage reduction.
Bravo on the build for your high level ingenuity and deep level of consideration to the fact that besides going solo with heroes and henchies, there is no application to using your build with any PvE build/group.
Yea i know Paras have dreat DPS and spike potential but this is PvE... only reason people take Paras are for their ability to keep the party alive with armor buffs, party wide heals/condition removal, and damage reduction.
Mr Pink57
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Originally Posted by angmar_nite
why?
I mean in other classes, alternatives have equal usefulness value, a MM vs. an SS, a Axe verse a sword...
Imbagon > all The build can sure be overkill in a LOT of areas and definitely a build I never use in NM or most of Tyria HM (Proph not GWEN). I can get by most of the time with just using WY with Cruel Spear and FGJ. Or use SoR with some heavy spear attacks.
pink
I mean in other classes, alternatives have equal usefulness value, a MM vs. an SS, a Axe verse a sword...
Imbagon > all The build can sure be overkill in a LOT of areas and definitely a build I never use in NM or most of Tyria HM (Proph not GWEN). I can get by most of the time with just using WY with Cruel Spear and FGJ. Or use SoR with some heavy spear attacks.
pink
Yichi
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Originally Posted by Skyros
Yea i know Paras have dreat DPS and spike potential but this is PvE... only reason people take Paras are for their ability to keep the party alive with armor buffs, party wide heals/condition removal, and damage reduction.
Bad players take paragons for this reason. Most players that have any expierence with a paragon take it for its ranged damage thats basically the same as having another warrior as well as the unremovable party buffs.
Skyros
uh huh... so taking a paragon for what is built for is for bad players huh?
and im not argueing that it doesnt have great dps... im saying the paragon is more useful as a great party wide buffer and healer. The paragon class would useless without any of its party wide buffs... p spike wouldn't work.. Legoway wouldn't work, no more SoR's... the class is built around and used for its buffs and its a nice and useful bonus that it could also spike nicely. if it didn't have the ranged high dps.. people would still take it in PvE/PvP (although in slightly different roles) because of its highly effective party buffs.
and im not argueing that it doesnt have great dps... im saying the paragon is more useful as a great party wide buffer and healer. The paragon class would useless without any of its party wide buffs... p spike wouldn't work.. Legoway wouldn't work, no more SoR's... the class is built around and used for its buffs and its a nice and useful bonus that it could also spike nicely. if it didn't have the ranged high dps.. people would still take it in PvE/PvP (although in slightly different roles) because of its highly effective party buffs.
Yichi
[skill]Focused Anger[/skill] [skill]Cruel Spear[/skill] [skill]Stunning Strike[/skill] [skill]Soldier's Fury[/skill]
and these are just the elites...
so a paragon is only built for party healing/buffs?
Paraspike works off the damage a paragon does, not off its partywide healing...
and these are just the elites...
so a paragon is only built for party healing/buffs?
Paraspike works off the damage a paragon does, not off its partywide healing...
Skyros
Focused Anger in tandem with Save yourself
Soldier's fury to build up your adrenaline for Watch yourself,etc
Cruel Spear / Stunning Strike - good elites yes... but would you take a paragon with only high damage ? would you want him to take Theres nothing to fear, or any other party buff?\
Para spike works because the paras buff each other so much its hard to kill them.
honestly although the para pumps out alot of damage... its all single target. and you dont really need to spike anything out in PvE. I'd rather take an ele or another damage caster to full that roll for the AoE's that are so win in PvE. aqnd ONCE AGAIN - i did not say its only built for party buffing but it is the paragon's forte
Soldier's fury to build up your adrenaline for Watch yourself,etc
Cruel Spear / Stunning Strike - good elites yes... but would you take a paragon with only high damage ? would you want him to take Theres nothing to fear, or any other party buff?\
Para spike works because the paras buff each other so much its hard to kill them.
honestly although the para pumps out alot of damage... its all single target. and you dont really need to spike anything out in PvE. I'd rather take an ele or another damage caster to full that roll for the AoE's that are so win in PvE. aqnd ONCE AGAIN - i did not say its only built for party buffing but it is the paragon's forte
Mr Pink57
Soldier's Fury is never a good elite to take since AR is around. Even more so with a WY spam as that'll keep it up for an eternity. A simple build using Cruel Spear can buff a team and cause some fierce damage. There is nothing wrong with bringing the DW to PvE especially on HM foes who have a ton o heath or crazy healing (read Dolyak Riders).
Also lets not forget applying daze on a foe in a melee heavy group equals win, that foe will never get another spell off.
SoL, Cruel Spear, WY, SU, AoF, FGJ, AR, and optional
pink
Also lets not forget applying daze on a foe in a melee heavy group equals win, that foe will never get another spell off.
SoL, Cruel Spear, WY, SU, AoF, FGJ, AR, and optional
pink
Racthoh
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Originally Posted by Skyros
honestly although the para pumps out alot of damage... its all single target. and you dont really need to spike anything out in PvE. I'd rather take an ele or another damage caster to full that roll for the AoE's that are so win in PvE. aqnd ONCE AGAIN - i did not say its only built for party buffing but it is the paragon's forte
A team of damage casters is pretty terrible. The ability to take down a single target quickly means the biggest threat of the group is eliminated faster. When the priority target is down the mob as far as I'm concerned is done.
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by Racthoh
A team of damage casters is pretty terrible. The ability to take down a single target quickly means the biggest threat of the group is eliminated faster. When the priority target is down the mob as far as I'm concerned is done.
/agreed
When things get harder, I tend towards physicals as damage dealers - they're hardier, more flexible, more disruptive, hit harder (+dmg ignores armour; whereas a 30 damage SF is funny, sad, and reality), and can be buffed to high heaven damage-wise - Barbs and Splinter Weapon alone are already pretty scary.
When things get harder, I tend towards physicals as damage dealers - they're hardier, more flexible, more disruptive, hit harder (+dmg ignores armour; whereas a 30 damage SF is funny, sad, and reality), and can be buffed to high heaven damage-wise - Barbs and Splinter Weapon alone are already pretty scary.
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by Skyros
honestly although the para pumps out alot of damage... its all single target. and you dont really need to spike anything out in PvE. I'd rather take an ele or another damage caster to full that roll for the AoE's that are so win in PvE. aqnd ONCE AGAIN - i did not say its only built for party buffing but it is the paragon's forte
I heard that monsters in HM get massive armour and nearly every ele skill doesn't penetrate armour
Skyros
so none of you use eles in hm... you all go with paras to go spike out individually.
the ability to take out a single target is awesome... but killing the grp all at the same time is better i herd.
the ability to take out a single target is awesome... but killing the grp all at the same time is better i herd.
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by Skyros
so none of you use eles in hm... you all go with paras to go spike out individually.
the ability to take out a single target is awesome... but killing the grp all at the same time is better i herd. I never said that. I always take Herta with me because her wards is as sexy as her outfit
the ability to take out a single target is awesome... but killing the grp all at the same time is better i herd. I never said that. I always take Herta with me because her wards is as sexy as her outfit
Sab
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Originally Posted by Skyros
so none of you use eles in hm... you all go with paras to go spike out individually.
the ability to take out a single target is awesome... but killing the grp all at the same time is better i herd. [skill]Splinter Weapon[/skill]
the ability to take out a single target is awesome... but killing the grp all at the same time is better i herd. [skill]Splinter Weapon[/skill]
blue.rellik
spilter weaopn is only gud with barrge
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by blue.rellik
spilter weaopn is only gud with barrge
roflcopter
u serious?
u serious?
blue.rellik
yus i am serius.
Racthoh
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Originally Posted by Skyros
so none of you use eles in hm... you all go with paras to go spike out individually.
the ability to take out a single target is awesome... but killing the grp all at the same time is better i herd. We have Splinter Weapon as Sab mentioned, it's all you ever need. The eles typically have Mind Blast powering Rodgort's Invocation as the only AoE on the bar. The rest of the bar has utility, maybe a little more damage, because anyone who can abuse their energy pool is best suited for that role.
When you can kill a single target in a few seconds, with some splash damage from a handful of AoEs, you don't have to waste time balling the enemies up to make lots of numbers.
the ability to take out a single target is awesome... but killing the grp all at the same time is better i herd. We have Splinter Weapon as Sab mentioned, it's all you ever need. The eles typically have Mind Blast powering Rodgort's Invocation as the only AoE on the bar. The rest of the bar has utility, maybe a little more damage, because anyone who can abuse their energy pool is best suited for that role.
When you can kill a single target in a few seconds, with some splash damage from a handful of AoEs, you don't have to waste time balling the enemies up to make lots of numbers.
Ensign
The fastest I've torn through DoA involved 5 physicals and my Ele spending most of her energy maintaining Great Dwarf Weapon with the occasional Rodgort's. Buffed physicals kill faster than anything else in the game.
Mr Pink57
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Originally Posted by blue.rellik
yus i am serius.
Well the max it will hit is 3 and barrage hits 6... Had you said Volley I would've been ok with that but you did not.
Taking a spear, axe, sword, hammer, etc and putting splinter upon it on balled up enemies is just devasting for 1 major reason... IAS. Since those physicals can attack a hell of a lot faster then a bow can its outrageous how much damage splinter will give and its all armor ignoring which is glorious.
pink
Taking a spear, axe, sword, hammer, etc and putting splinter upon it on balled up enemies is just devasting for 1 major reason... IAS. Since those physicals can attack a hell of a lot faster then a bow can its outrageous how much damage splinter will give and its all armor ignoring which is glorious.
pink
odly
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Originally Posted by Ensign
The fastest I've torn through DoA involved 5 physicals and my Ele spending most of her energy maintaining Great Dwarf Weapon with the occasional Rodgort's. Buffed physicals kill faster than anything else in the game.
I'd love to do some of those runs with regular builds. Seems everyone is running Ursan these days though.
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by Mr Pink57
Well the max it will hit is 3 and barrage hits 6... Had you said Volley I would've been ok with that but you did not.
Taking a spear, axe, sword, hammer, etc and putting splinter upon it on balled up enemies is just devasting for 1 major reason... IAS. Since those physicals can attack a hell of a lot faster then a bow can its outrageous how much damage splinter will give and its all armor ignoring which is glorious.
pink den y iz tobomz run onlu usin rangas wit barrge? i noe i am rite
Taking a spear, axe, sword, hammer, etc and putting splinter upon it on balled up enemies is just devasting for 1 major reason... IAS. Since those physicals can attack a hell of a lot faster then a bow can its outrageous how much damage splinter will give and its all armor ignoring which is glorious.
pink den y iz tobomz run onlu usin rangas wit barrge? i noe i am rite
cmcookie
What does Splinter Weapon, Barrage, and Tombs have to do with this Paragon build?
But to counter your argument regarding Splinter Weapon only being good while used with Barrage, here are a few skills that are very good with splinter weapon:
Triple Chop
Whirling Attack
Cyclone Axe
Crude Swing
Yeti Smash
Earthshaker
Hundred Blades
Volley (fully utilizes Splinter Weapon & frees up an Elite)
But to counter your argument regarding Splinter Weapon only being good while used with Barrage, here are a few skills that are very good with splinter weapon:
Triple Chop
Whirling Attack
Cyclone Axe
Crude Swing
Yeti Smash
Earthshaker
Hundred Blades
Volley (fully utilizes Splinter Weapon & frees up an Elite)
Tyla
Lmao @ the people thinking Relic is serious.
PS -- Yeti Smash and Earthshaker are individual attacks.
PS -- Yeti Smash and Earthshaker are individual attacks.
Antithesis
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Originally Posted by Skyros
The primary role of an ele in HM should be defensive (Blindbot works well). AoE damage, wards and snares (not much use without AoE) all dampen their effectiveness, which all but rules out 3 of the 4 ele lines (unless you're tanking). Wards to a lesser degree, but i'd rather take something other than an Earth ele when your AI squishies tend to kite and i'm spamming SY.
Quote: Originally Posted by cmcookie What does Splinter Weapon, Barrage, and Tombs have to do with this Paragon build? rellik's taking the piss. Teh speelng iz de geviwae.
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Originally Posted by blue.rellik
den y iz tobomz run onlu usin rangas wit barrge? i noe i am rite
lmao...I literally have tears in my eyes
cmcookie
I am an idiot...should have known that.
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by cmcookie
I am an idiot...should have known that.
Don't worry, you're part of a very large group of people.
Brian the Gladiator
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Originally Posted by cmcookie
But to counter your argument regarding Splinter Weapon only being good while used with Barrage, here are a few skills that are very good with splinter weapon
I heard splinter was good on any physical attacker, regardless of the skills on their bar...?
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