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Originally Posted by hallomik
If Wikipedia is to be believed, GW is the 11th best selling game of all time. And all people can say is that it hasn't sold as much as WOW and Lineage?
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GW Reaches 5 Million Milestone
Kashrlyyk
Darkobra
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
And Doom 3 kicked ass, by the way. I was so tense, scared and nervous when I reached Delta Labs that I had to turn off my computer. Awesome times >: )
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It went from tension from the edge of your seat to your typically older Doom games, where you knew where demons were and had to rain fire on them.
Still, the early setting was fun. My style of play is accuracy at long range over power at short range, so having a demon jump at me made me jump back and rain pistol shells down on them.
arsie
The real shock is how many copies of Cossacks:European Wars got sold. Just amazing!
I think WoW spent millions of dollars on marketing prior to launch. That makes a huge difference in sales numbers, but also eats into their profits.
I think WoW spent millions of dollars on marketing prior to launch. That makes a huge difference in sales numbers, but also eats into their profits.
captain_carter
that's a pretty fast increase from 3 to 5, well done Anet
Avarre
And how many of those units are people buying all four chapters?
Threads merged, too.
Threads merged, too.
arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by Avarre
And how many of those units are people buying all four chapters?
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Gun Pierson
Gratz Anet! Especially when you think about the fact they were practically unknown and didn't have publicity like Blizzard with WoW.
hallomik
I just wanted to respond to the notion that GW is not notably successful as an MMO.
Do you know how many MMO's have been released or are in development?
Here's a list of MMO's in the MMO-RPG category from Wikipedia:
If Guild Wars is just doing OK in this category, more than 2 of the games from this list (Lineage and WOW) would be clearly more popular than Guild Wars. Here is the opportunity for the naysayers to tell us all the other MMO RPG's that are bigger hits than Guild Wars.
Gratz again Anet.
Do you know how many MMO's have been released or are in development?
Here's a list of MMO's in the MMO-RPG category from Wikipedia:
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2Moons - Sprite Fantasy 9Dragons - 3D Chinese Martial Arts Adventure A Tale in the Desert - 3D Non-combat Active Worlds — 3D Virtual Reality Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures — (under development) 3D Fantasy Aion:The Tower of Eternity - (under development) Fantasy Alganon - (under development) 3D Fantasy Anarchy Online — 3D Science fiction ArchLord — 3D Fantasy Armada Online — (Under development - alpha test) Science fiction Ashen Empires — 2D-Isometric Fantasy Asheron's Call — 3D Fantasy Asheron's Call 2 — (shut down 2005) 3D Fantasy Auto Assault (shut down Aug 31, 2007) — Science fiction Vehicular combat AWplanet — 3D Science Fiction. Cabal Online — 3D Cartoon Network Universe: FusionFall - 3D City of Heroes — 3D, Comic book universe (combines with City of Villains) City of Villains — 3D, Comic book universe (combines with City of Heroes) Clan Lord — Sprite Conquer Online — Sprite, Mythical China Corum Online - 3D Cronous - 3D Crossgate — Sprite Dark Age of Camelot — 3D Fantasy Arthurian/Celtic/Norse mythology Dark Ages — Sprite Fantasy Celtic mythology Dark and Light — 3D Darkeden — Sprite Horror Darkfall — (under development) 3D Fantasy DECO Online — 3D Fantasy Diaspora (computer game) - 2D Space Trading Game Digimon World Online — (under development) 3D Digimon universe Dofus - 2D fantasy, made in flash. Dragon Ball Online - (under development) 3D Dragon Ball universe Dragon Raja — 2D Fantasy DragonRealms - Text-Based, Real Time Dransik — 2D Retro Fantasy Dream of Mirror Online - 3D Chinese mythology Dungeons & Dragons Online: Stormreach — 3D Dungeons & Dragons universe (3.5 Ruleset) Dungeon Runners — 3D Earth & Beyond — (shutdown 2004) 3D Science fiction Earth Eternal — 3D Medieval Fantasy The Empire of Martial Heroes — (previously DO Online) 3D Empire of Sports - 3D Sports game (beta) Eternal Lands — 3D Medieval Fantasy (under development, beta) Eternal Wars — 2D Fantasy Eudemons Online — 3D Fantasy EVE Online — 3D Science fiction, space vehicle piloting EverQuest — 3D Fantasy EverQuest II — 3D Fantasy (sequel to Everquest) EverQuest Online Adventures — 3D (Playstation 2 only; prequel to Everquest) Face of Mankind — 3D Science fiction Fallen Earth — (under development) 3D Post apocalyptic Fiesta — (open beta) 3D Final Fantasy XI — 3D Final Fantasy universe (Multiplatform: PC, Playstation 2, Xbox 360) Fly For Fun — 3D Fantasy Frontier 1859 — (under development) Historical American Old West Furcadia Fury — 3D PvP-based Fantasy Gekkeiju Online — 3D Gemstone IV - Text based, real time Ghost Online - 2D Side Scrolling Gods & Heroes: Rome Rising — (canceled 10/17/2007) Olympian mythology/Historical multiple character control Granado Espada — 3D Age of Exploration/Fantasy multiple character control Guild Wars — 3D Helbreath — Sprite Hellgate: London Hero online — 3D Chinese mythology Hero's Journey — (under development) 3D The Hooded Gunman - text turn-based historical ("The Troubles", Irish para-militarism) Horizons: Empire of Istaria — 3D Fantasy Infinity: The Quest for Earth - (under development) 3D Science Fiction; spaceship simulator Irth Worlds — 3D Jumpgate: The Reconstruction Initiative — Science fiction KAL-Online — 3D Fantasy Knight Online — 3D Fantasy The Legend of Ares — (under development) 3D The Legend of Mir 2 — Sprite The Legend of Mir 3 — Sprite (sequel to Legend of Mir 2) Legends of Future Past - text based Lila Dreams - (under development) Sprite Lineage — Sprite Fantasy Lineage II — 3D Fantasy (sequel to Lineage) Lineage III - (under development) NCsoft (sequel to Lineage II) The Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar — 3D Middle Earth Fantasy Lunia - (open beta) Mabinogi — 3D Fantasy MapleStory — 2D sidescrolling Marvel Universe Online - (under-development) Marvel Universe The Matrix Online — 3D The Matrix Universe Meridian 59 — 3D Minions of Mirth — 3D Monato Esprit - (under development) 3D Fantasy MU Online — 3D Medieval Fantasy Mythos - 3D Neocron and Neocron 2 — 3D Cyberpunk Nexus: The Kingdom of the Winds — Sprite Korean mythology Nostale - (Currently Open beta) - 3D Perfect World — 3D Pirates of the Burning Sea — 3D, Historical Pirates of the Caribbean Online — 3D, Pirates of the Caribbean quasi-historical PlaneShift — (under development, beta) 3D Popomundo - Music industry Priston Tale - 3D Ragnarok Online — Sprite Norse/mixed mythology Ragnarok Online 2 — (under development, open beta) 3D (sequel to Ragnarok Online) Ran Online — 3D Campus adventure fantasy Rappelz — 3D Fantasy Realm Fighter — 3D Fantasy (unrealeased) Regnum Online — 3D Medieval fantasy The Realm Online — Sprite-based graphics RF Online — 3D Science Fiction/Fantasy Risk Your Life - 3D Fantasy ROBLOX - 3D World Building Roma Victor — 3D Roman Empire Historical ROSE Online — 3D Fantasy Rubies of Eventide — 3D Fantasy RuneScape — 3D Medieval Fantasy The Saga of Ryzom — 3D Science Fantasy The Secret World — (under development) Modern setting, 3D Seal Online — 3D Fantasy Shadowbane — 3D Fantasy Shadow of Legend — Fantasy MMORPG Shenmue Online — (under development) 3D Modern setting Shot-Online — 3D Golf MMORPG Silkroad Online — 3D Historical Eurasia Soul of the Ultimate Nation — 3D Fantasy Space Cowboy Online — 3D Science Fiction, spaceship combat (Website down, the game is gone) Spellborn - (under development) 3D Fantasy Star Trek Online — (under development) Science fiction Star Wars Galaxies — 3D Science fiction Star Wars universe Stargate Worlds — (under development) 3D, Science fiction Stargate universe StarQuest Online — (under development, Beta) Science fiction Stendhal — (under development, released) Sprite Fantasy Supreme Destiny — Fantasy Tabula Rasa, 3D Science Fiction A Tale in the Desert — 3D Ancient Egypt Historical Tales of Eternia Online — Sprite-based graphics Tales of Pirates - 3D Tantra Online — 3D Hindu mythology The 4th Coming — Sprite-based graphics Fantasy True Fantasy Live Online - (cancelled) Tibia — Sprite Fantasy Toontown Online — 3D Disney Cartoon setting Trickster Online — 2D Ultima Online Urban Dead - HTML/text-based zombie game Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning — (under development, in beta) 3D Warhammer Fantasy universe Westward Journey — Sprite World of Warcraft — 3D Warcraft universe World War II Online - 3D Historical WWII battlefield Wurm Online — 3D Medieval Fantasy Xiah - 3D Martial Arts Fantasy Yogurting - 3D Anime School Fantasy Yulgang - 3D Fantasy based on Korean comic (also known as Scions of Fate) |
Gratz again Anet.
isamu kurosawa
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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk
No it is not the 11th. All 3 games plus the expansion are the 11th. But each one has an average sales number of 1.25 million. So the list is BS!
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Cacheelma
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Originally Posted by hallomik
I just wanted to respond to the notion that GW is not notably successful as an MMO.
Do you know how many MMO's have been released or are in development? Here's a list of MMO's in the MMO-RPG category from Wikipedia: If Guild Wars is just doing OK in this category, more than 2 of the games from this list (Lineage and WOW) would be clearly more popular than Guild Wars. Here is the opportunity for the naysayers to tell us all the other MMO RPG's that are bigger hits than Guild Wars. Gratz again Anet. |
Yeah, as I thought.
MithranArkanere
Hm... 3 games, plus expansion, plus BMP... = 5.
5 million / 5 = 1 million.
Minus leavers and such... that makes around 100k...500k players.
5 million / 5 = 1 million.
Minus leavers and such... that makes around 100k...500k players.
DarkWasp
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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
Hm... 3 games, plus expansion, plus BMP... = 5.
5 million / 5 = 1 million. Minus leavers and such... that makes around 100k...500k players. |
I really don't think the BMP made near 1 milllion.
Rocky Raccoon
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Originally Posted by Red Sonya
And this is the stat sheet that says it all
 Notice GW is not in that list, but, DIABLO 2 IS! I rest my case your honor. |
Congratulations on creating game worth playing.
Rocky Raccoon
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Originally Posted by Exoudeous
why do you need to remind, no one even so much as a hint that they thought it meant 5 million players in this thread. looks like another attempt at trolling
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The Way Out
I wonder how many of the 5 million were banned!!! lol...
Congratulations Anet!!! Thank you for keeping my mind off of my boss, girlfriend, and social life!!! You rock!!!
Congratulations Anet!!! Thank you for keeping my mind off of my boss, girlfriend, and social life!!! You rock!!!
creelie
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Originally Posted by Ouchie
wow 5 mil that is exciting
how much longer do you think ne wpeople will buy GW? Seems as if most folks are winding down |
Plus of course there will be holdouts for a long time. Look at Everquest: EQ2 has been up for years, but there are still lots of people playing EQ1.
Anyway, grats to Anet on this milestone.
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Originally Posted by arsie
The real shock is how many copies of Cossacks:European Wars got sold. Just amazing!
I think WoW spent millions of dollars on marketing prior to launch. That makes a huge difference in sales numbers, but also eats into their profits. |
Turtle222
see gw isnt dead
Dylananimus
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Originally Posted by Red Sonya
Lol I told you Stormlord I don't take up your bad habits or IGMOisms
The truth is in the Wiki and Diablo 2 is on the list and GW isn't. That's all that matters. Plus it took GW 4 titles to reach 5 million sales it only took Diablo 2 two. It's expansion sold 1 million copies if you'd care to look. lol poor loser IGMO hahahaha. |
Congrats, Anet. For a new company with a totally new game (and concept within the MMO/RPG world) you've done very well. I still love the game.
This is the way forward. The first of many. Look at WoW...they started small with much earlier games, and now have their flagship game. GW has a long way to go, but it also started a long way behind most of the other companies, so I think they can be very proud their idea of subscription free gaming - at a high standard - has done so well so far.
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see gw isnt dead
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I remember how we had threads a while back saying "Hellgate is going to kill GW" and "TR is going to kill GW" not to mention the failure that was Fury...6 months on GW has sold another million copies. Says it all, doesnt it?
Faer
I must admit, I am more than slightly amused at how fast the sales are rising now that the prices are plummeting at certain retailers, even though the figures still fit into the usual brackets. Of course, sales, in this case, does not equal customers, and ArenaNet and/or NCSoft have refused to release the actual player statistics...
Oh well.
Without World of Warcraft, there would be no Guild Wars. ;D
Oh well.
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Originally Posted by DarkWasp
(WoW doesnt count, its a fad)
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Moral55
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Originally Posted by Zinger314
I would like to remind you all that 5 mil compies does not equal 5 million players. Not even close to 5 million players. I'd expect it's still at 300,000ish. (I did the math earlier and concluded that about 320,000 accounts purchase GWEN.)
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That would give us an estimate of 1,000,000 players that are either active or soon to be returning, of witch 320,000 bought GWEN.
Edit, I'd halve that number, just to make up for the consumers with multiple campaigns .
Eldin
Amazing, ArenaNet! Truly this proves how much work and dedication you have put into your games.
5 million...not as big as some other large game names, but still an amazing number.
I only hope GW2 can live up to this.
Keep up the good work ANet!
5 million...not as big as some other large game names, but still an amazing number.
I only hope GW2 can live up to this.
Keep up the good work ANet!
Red Sonya
But, Dialbo 2 is still the #1 RPG of all times. And you can call GW what you will, but, the developers sure didn't mind ACCEPTING the award for mmoRPG of the year a couple of years ago now did they? If it's not that then they shouldn't have accepted the award and passed it along to those others that are mmorpgs.
And you can call GW what you will, but, the developers sure didn't mind ACCEPTING the award for mmoRPG of the year a couple of years ago now did they? If it's not that then they shouldn't have accepted the award and passed it along to those others that are mmorpgs.
Voltaic Annihilator
O.o why dont they tell us how much people acutlly play the game
Faer
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Originally Posted by Voltaic Annihilator
O.o why dont they tell us how much people acutlly play the game
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Bigger Numbers = Better Business.
MithranArkanere
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Originally Posted by Voltaic Annihilator
O.o why dont they tell us how much people acutlly play the game
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Anyways... enough of the chitchat.
Now it's time to ask for free stuff to 'celebrate' the 5 million hit.
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Originally Posted by lacasner
What is the point of getting a population in this game when PvE is done by yourself. There is barely any human interaction at all, barely in PvP as well.
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Aerian_Skybane
I have already congratulated ANet on making a highmark, but I have one curious, slightly itchy question:
Why do people here desire to belittle a game by minimalizing its merits and accomplishments? Is there a purpose to this confounding practice?
Why do people here desire to belittle a game by minimalizing its merits and accomplishments? Is there a purpose to this confounding practice?
Stormlord Alex
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Why do people here desire to belittle a game by minimalizing its merits and accomplishments? Is there a purpose to this confounding practice?
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Aerian_Skybane
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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
Welcome to the internets.
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I desire to know if this lunacy would exist for a Hello Kitty Online board!
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by Aerian_Skybane
I desire to know if this lunacy would exist for a Hello Kitty Online board!
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wait, no. Do not imagine /b/. It's bad for your health
HawkofStorms
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Originally Posted by Tijger
I remember how we had threads a while back saying "Hellgate is going to kill GW" and "TR is going to kill GW" not to mention the failure that was Fury...6 months on GW has sold another million copies. Says it all, doesnt it?
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Still... starcraft 2... ugghh *drool* It won't kill GW, but I'll sure spend a lot less time on it.
And Red Sonya, just stop trolling. The way you are talking, you'd think GW was like "BIG Mother Trucking" or "Lelo and Stich: The Video Game" or "The Dukes of Hazard: Rebel Yell" or something. It is still a first tier game that's made good profits and broke the mold (by turning away from the modern pay to play model and returning to a set up like Diablo 2).
Zahr Dalsk
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But, Dialbo 2 is still the #1 RPG of all times.
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Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Dylananimus
Anyways...why are you here? Go play Diablo 2 if it's better /shoo
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arsie
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Originally Posted by Voltaic Annihilator
O.o why dont they tell us how much people acutlly play the game
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Anyway, for GW it is actually harder to account for this. Since a person who bought Prophesies 3 years ago and played it for 1 day, could actually log in again today (after hours of updates) and play. Would he be considered an actual player? The same can go for subscription based games, just because the account is active does not mean it is being played.
I think NCSoft is already more transparent than Vivendi Games. NCSoft actually publishes profit numbers for Guild Wars, while Vivendi Games only publishes revenue numbers for World of Warcraft.
Of course it is assumed that WoW makes heaps more than GW, but their operations costs could be staggering as well.
strcpy
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Originally Posted by arsie
Because none of their competitors will as well. So if they are the only ones revealing real player numbers, they would appear to be a really dead game compared to others.
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Every company in question will pick the numbers that make them look the best (within the bounds of the law) - NcSoft is no better than Vivendi which is no better than Ford which is no better than Wal-Mart. It doesn't matter the industry nor the company.
Anyone who believes otherwise is a fool, Vivendi is no different. For some reason many people seem to want to think that Anet is somehow some lying liars while Vivendi is tells it in unadulterated truth. I don't really think the term "fanboy" is correct, but seems to be along the lines of GW is too good to be true so they feel a need to invent the bad parts (WoW has obvious faults - for one thing monthly fees). That also tends to be true for other products outside of gaming - you can actually create *too* good an item at a given price and people start inventing things wrong with it because there just has to be *something*.
Amusingly enough look at Vivendi's revenue numbers and note that it is WELL below 15 dollars a month for the number of millions of active players they claim. Something in there has never remotely added up (given that their SEC filing is required by law to be accurate my guess is that their definition of "active" is fairly loose). Nor, as you say, is revenue near as good an indicator as profit is - which NcSoft tells (but then, my guess is that their revenue isn't very good but due to low costs have a nice profit).
Fril Estelin
GZ Anet! Even if forums may give the impression that the situation is not so good, I'm happy to see that it is.
And hopefully the silence around GW2 is simply to keep the edge and control over the information of what, I hope, will be the Next Big Thing (TM) in MMOs.
By the way, did anyone notice that for the first time (well, I think) there was an announcement of a bug fix (Feb 22) on the main GW website? It almost felt like a warning for cheaters
And hopefully the silence around GW2 is simply to keep the edge and control over the information of what, I hope, will be the Next Big Thing (TM) in MMOs.
By the way, did anyone notice that for the first time (well, I think) there was an announcement of a bug fix (Feb 22) on the main GW website? It almost felt like a warning for cheaters
Cacheelma
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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
By the way, did anyone notice that for the first time (well, I think) there was an announcement of a bug fix (Feb 22) on the main GW website? It almost felt like a warning for cheaters
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RLBadKarma
I for one could care less at what rank or where on whatever list GW appears.
I love the game and enjoy every second I play.
Contrats Anet, keep on keepin on.
I love the game and enjoy every second I play.
Contrats Anet, keep on keepin on.