Yes, leechers are a problem in PvE, especially while point farming. Long have I held this in, but now that the double weekend is here, it's becoming ridiculous. There needs to be a way to deal with people that go away at inopportune times and for long times, intentionally or not.
There is another thread on this topic two years old, but provides another way of dealing with this problem. The solution has many flaws in my opinion, and I do not wish to perform necromancy, so to illustrate my own idea, I am making a new thread.
There needs to be a new option outside towns and outposts on the bottom of the party bar that is labeled "Mark Inactive". To activate this feature, you select a name out of the part bar and push the button. In order for this to work, the player in question must be unresponsive for five minutes at least. If Three people do this in four person grouping areas, five people in six person areas, seven people in eight person areas, or ten people in twelve person areas, then the player in question will get a window on their screen, as well as a sound to alert them of the election.
In the window, the text will appear as "<Player>, you have been deemed inactive by your group. If you are unresponsive by the time this counter reaches zero, you will be removed from the game."
The counter would have Five minutes on it. If it reaches zero, then the player is not only kicked from the group, but kicked from the game and must re-login to play, and gets a mark against his account. When five marks are accumulated, that player recieves a 72 hour ban from the game. A mark will be removed after twenty four hours of gameplay time so long as no further marks are recieved. If another mark is made, the timer resets.
Arenanet, it is time to end leeching. It wastes time, ruins gameplay, and gives rewards unjustly. Please consider my suggestion to implement in the near future.
Agree? Disagree? Post your input here.
Thank you for your time.
Leechers in PvE, A Solution is needed.
You can't see me
ivan.alicard
well if your going to wait 5 minute to get him kick might as well rezoned and get someone else :/ plus i think the /report feature applies for pve too not sure
Operative 14
/Signed.
A superb idea, I like the way this works. I've never had a problem with this, but I have heard all the stories and it seems like it would be a good way to deal with it.
A superb idea, I like the way this works. I've never had a problem with this, but I have heard all the stories and it seems like it would be a good way to deal with it.
Stockholm
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get another player and restart
get another player and restart
MisterB
My solution is: "M," return to outpost, and H/H. Works everywhere except "Elite" PvE areas because hench aren't allowed.
Also, the group can all agree to return to outpost minus the "inactive" person.
Auto-bans initiated by other players is a horrible idea.
Also, the group can all agree to return to outpost minus the "inactive" person.
Auto-bans initiated by other players is a horrible idea.
You can't see me
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Originally Posted by MisterB
My solution is: "M," return to outpost, and H/H. Works everywhere except "Elite" PvE areas because hench aren't allowed.
Also, the group can all agree to return to outpost minus the "inactive" person. Auto-bans initiated by other players is a horrible idea. |
ivan.alicard
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Originally Posted by You can't see me
Justify how a player should go unpunished for wasting your groups time and resieving reward without effort unfairly.
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You can't see me
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Originally Posted by ivan.alicard
as i stated before the report button should work for pve teams too :/
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ivan.alicard
but with your solution you still need to wait 5 minute for him to be booted during that 5 minute he still gets points and during those 5 minutes you can easily restart.
restarting will probably take less then 5 minutes and if your entire party report him he will face the consequences how harsh thats anet to say :/
restarting will probably take less then 5 minutes and if your entire party report him he will face the consequences how harsh thats anet to say :/
You can't see me
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Originally Posted by ivan.alicard
but with your solution you still need to wait 5 minute for him to be booted during that 5 minute he still gets points and during those 5 minutes you can easily restart.
restarting will probably take less then 5 minutes and if your entire party report him he will face the consequences how harsh thats anet to say :/ |
ivan.alicard
anyhoo not going to argue with you anymore but if it takes you an hour + to spot a leacher instead of the first 10 minutes then i don't know what to say :P
Biostem
Just for clarification, what do you define as "unresponsive"? Do you mean the person is truly AFK, or do you mean the person doesn't respond to team chat?
I have no problem w/ leechers being punished, I just want to be absolutely clear as to what criteria is used to determine if someone is leeching.
What if the leader could target a team member, and trigger a party vote to kick that person? The other party members, (other than the person that is trying to be kicked), got a little vote prompt to kick the person, and if everyone agreed, that person would be kicked from the team, sent to the last outpost they were at, and they were replaced w/ a henchman of the same primary profession. To avoid being exploited, any items assigned to that player would go w/ them and they would see an "unclaimed items" window just like if you finished a mission w/ items not picked up...
I have no problem w/ leechers being punished, I just want to be absolutely clear as to what criteria is used to determine if someone is leeching.
What if the leader could target a team member, and trigger a party vote to kick that person? The other party members, (other than the person that is trying to be kicked), got a little vote prompt to kick the person, and if everyone agreed, that person would be kicked from the team, sent to the last outpost they were at, and they were replaced w/ a henchman of the same primary profession. To avoid being exploited, any items assigned to that player would go w/ them and they would see an "unclaimed items" window just like if you finished a mission w/ items not picked up...
You can't see me
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Originally Posted by Biostem
Just for clarification, what do you define as "unresponsive"? Do you mean the person is truly AFK, or do you mean the person doesn't respond to team chat?
I have no problem w/ leechers being punished, I just want to be absolutely clear as to what criteria is used to determine if someone is leeching. What if the leader could target a team member, and trigger a party vote to kick that person? The other party members, (other than the person that is trying to be kicked), got a little vote prompt to kick the person, and if everyone agreed, that person would be kicked from the team, sent to the last outpost they were at, and they were replaced w/ a henchman of the same primary profession. To avoid being exploited, any items assigned to that player would go w/ them and they would see an "unclaimed items" window just like if you finished a mission w/ items not picked up... |
The problem with that is that the leader may go afk as well, making the feature useless. The leader of the team is not special outside outposts and should not be for good reasons. Plus, if the team votes, this could be taken advantage of if someone gets a good drop. Too easily abused.
When I say unresponsive, I mean they have not utilized any function of the game for five minutes. They have not clicked or moved anywhere on the game screen, or typed any commands or chat. They have done nothing in the guild wars program for that allotted time. This feature would be easy to implement because Arenanet auto-boots you after a very long time of unresponsiveness anyway.
Diddy bow
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Although i dont see leeched as much of a problem this would not hurt any non leechers (going 10 minites without your team being ok with it is unfair on them). Any way to "kick" a person from the group for leeching before they can reap the rewards is great and with the mark thing they would probs stop even trying.
Although i dont see leeched as much of a problem this would not hurt any non leechers (going 10 minites without your team being ok with it is unfair on them). Any way to "kick" a person from the group for leeching before they can reap the rewards is great and with the mark thing they would probs stop even trying.
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[Morkai]
I like it...kinda. In the 10 minutes it takes to have em removed, you could have carried on and ditched them at the next opportune moment.. or restarted.
You can't see me
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Originally Posted by Diddy bow
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Although i dont see leeched as much of a problem this would not hurt any non leechers (going 10 minites without your team being ok with it is unfair on them). Any way to "kick" a person from the group for leeching before they can reap the rewards is great and with the mark thing they would probs stop even trying. |
Stockholm
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Originally Posted by You can't see me
Justify how a player should go unpunished for wasting your groups time and resieving reward without effort unfairly.
Perhaps instead of abandoning the problem, we should try to fix it. And you cannot go back to an outpost if your part has wiped and you have someone standing there besides the resurrection shrine. |
It is a Game, not life and death. If you have a problem with a player use the report button.
But to put in any kind of player bans is screwed up.
I for one would not trust the majority of players in GW with that kind of power over others, unless any kind of misuse means a permaban for the group that misused it.
You can't see me
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Originally Posted by Stockholm
It is a Game, not life and death. If you have a problem with a player use the report button.
But to put in any kind of player bans is screwed up. I for one would not trust the majority of players in GW with that kind of power over others, unless any kind of misuse means a permaban for the group that misused it. |
But as it may be a game, and not life and death, it does not mean that the problem does not exist. If something is broken and you have the tools to fix it, there's no excuse not to.
T-Superfly
I think this could work, it would have to be for more then 5 min though i would say 15-20(thats when i start to get really angry...) and I like the idea of marks but maybe instead of gettingf banned for 24hours u just cant group with people for like an hour.(sorta like how it works in PVP)
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Originally Posted by ivan.alicard
well if your going to wait 5 minute to get him kick might as well rezoned and get someone else :/ plus i think the /report feature applies for pve too not sure
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/signed
something needs to be done this is annyoying
Mister Muhkuh
wait time 4 minute, no countdown, I vote for kick if vote is passed, because else people would just move every 5 mins a little so you cant kick them...
either way, its a pain, too many people do it and laugh at you after
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either way, its a pain, too many people do it and laugh at you after
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You can't see me
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Originally Posted by T-Superfly
I think this could work, it would have to be for more then 5 min though i would say 15-20(thats when i start to get really angry...) and I like the idea of marks but maybe instead of gettingf banned for 24hours u just cant group with people for like an hour.(sorta like how it works in PVP)
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The blinded Hero
This has never happend to me, but i like how it works, i think you should go 1 step further and postit on INC gamers forums, those admins send direct messages to Arena net (GW)
Good Idea!
Good Idea!
jonnieboi05
may god have pitty on the OP for crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and so on and so forth over something so incredibly easily fixed.
this is why the beautiful invention of heroes and henchmen were introduced.
tbh, if you want to take advantage of the double points for this weekend event: hero/hench it. it takes WAAAAAAY longer to coordinate groups and to even form them overall (not to mention the fact that 75% of GW players [for PvE] just aren't exactly what i would call a "shining star in the darkness of noobism").
this is a game, and as such, don't take it so seriously. if some-1 "leeches" then /zone out and kick the dude. on a brighter side, if the people leeching are in a "reputation farming" group for explorable areas, then, rest assure that by them leeching = them not benefitting in the slightest bit. you only get points/exp if the aggro touches your bubble (or if you're a monk, if you cast on someone who HAS aggro IN their).
but, on a side note: to give players the oppurtunity to have power over if people get suspended and/or banned is completely preposterous! any and everyone would exploit the usage of it and countless upon countless of people would be suspended/banned within' 2 weeks flat from the release of this feature.
i would not endorse myself for this kind of suggestion. sorry bud. ^^
this is why the beautiful invention of heroes and henchmen were introduced.
tbh, if you want to take advantage of the double points for this weekend event: hero/hench it. it takes WAAAAAAY longer to coordinate groups and to even form them overall (not to mention the fact that 75% of GW players [for PvE] just aren't exactly what i would call a "shining star in the darkness of noobism").
this is a game, and as such, don't take it so seriously. if some-1 "leeches" then /zone out and kick the dude. on a brighter side, if the people leeching are in a "reputation farming" group for explorable areas, then, rest assure that by them leeching = them not benefitting in the slightest bit. you only get points/exp if the aggro touches your bubble (or if you're a monk, if you cast on someone who HAS aggro IN their).
but, on a side note: to give players the oppurtunity to have power over if people get suspended and/or banned is completely preposterous! any and everyone would exploit the usage of it and countless upon countless of people would be suspended/banned within' 2 weeks flat from the release of this feature.
i would not endorse myself for this kind of suggestion. sorry bud. ^^
You can't see me
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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05
this is a [i]game[i/], and as such, don't take it so seriously. if some-1 "leeches" then /zone out and kick the dude. on a brighter side, if the people leeching are in a "reputation farming" group for epxlorable areas, then, rest assure that by them leeching = them not benefitting in the slightest bit. you only get points/exp if the aggro touches your bubble |
By the way, avoiding situations where the problem is present is never the solution. This problem goes further than some "Rep Farming". It's been around for quite long enough.
Honestly, I don't see why you're on the suggestion forums if you think everything here is crying.
jonnieboi05
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Originally Posted by You can't see me
I would agree with you if you were right. You get Reputation points no matter where are you on the map, whether you touch the bubble or not. Not to mention, in dungeons, a person that goes afk in mid-dungeon can just get the chest after taking an hour break.
By the way, avoiding situations where the problem is present is never the solution. This problem goes further than some "Rep Farming". It's been around for quite long enough. Honestly, I don't see why you're on the suggestion forums if you think everything here is crying. |
on the other hand, when did i ever say dungeons? i said, and i quote,
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if the people leeching are in a "reputation farming" group for explorable areas
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and i'm saying he's crying because every post he responds back with is on a negative note, NOT a positive one. people are giving their suggestions and opionions on the subject, as i did, and he always has something on the negative side of it. an "excuse", if you will.
You can't see me
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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05
wow what are you talking about? if you never touch an emeny with your aggro bubble you will not get rep points! simple as that.
on the other hand, when did i ever say dungeons? i said, and i quote, so.. where did i say dungeons? i said EXPLORABLE AREAS. and i'm saying he's crying because every post he responds back with is on a negative note, NOT a positive one. people are giving their suggestions and opionions on the subject, as i did, and he always has something on the negative side of it. an "excuse", if you will. |
By the way, your post connotes that you only think this problem applies to this weekend and it is of little matter. I'm providing you with other examples.
And yes, I'm very negative about this. It's a negative topic. The suggestions added are things that I do not feel would help the over all cause, therefore, I say what I think, negative or positive. If you inturpret that as an excuse or a whine, then by all means, continue.
Bohya
Blablabla what the first guy said...but when the person gets voted out then they become a hero with all the same skills and equipment who is fully controlled by the leader (or if the leader designates it to an other person of the party) until the party enters an outpost.
The hero thing cannot be taken apart (armour and weapon).
This is to compensate players who have a 7/8 party (or 1/2, 3/4 or watever).
The '5 minute' rule only applies if a player has:
Not been in radar range of an enemy
Not moved
Not used a skill on himself or an ally while in radar range of an enemy or ally
This applies to any player, so more than one 'hero' is possible.
(Instead of all the other people have to vote the leecher out it is instead, the majoroty of the non leechers votes that count)
The leecher gets a lifetime ban from his Guild Wars account.
The hero thing cannot be taken apart (armour and weapon).
This is to compensate players who have a 7/8 party (or 1/2, 3/4 or watever).
The '5 minute' rule only applies if a player has:
Not been in radar range of an enemy
Not moved
Not used a skill on himself or an ally while in radar range of an enemy or ally
This applies to any player, so more than one 'hero' is possible.
(Instead of all the other people have to vote the leecher out it is instead, the majoroty of the non leechers votes that count)
The leecher gets a lifetime ban from his Guild Wars account.
You can't see me
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Originally Posted by Bohya
Blablabla what the first guy said...but when the person gets voted out then they become a hero with all the same skills and equipment who is fully controlled by the leader (or if the leader designates it to an other person of the party) until the party enters an outpost.
The hero thing cannot be taken apart (armour and weapon). This is to compensate players who have a 7/8 party (or 1/2, 3/4 or watever). The '5 minute' rule only applies if a player has: Not been in radar range of an enemy Not moved Not used a skill on himself or an ally while in radar range of an enemy or ally This applies to any player, so more than one 'hero' is possible. (Instead of all the other people have to vote the leecher out it is instead, the majoroty of the non leechers votes that count) The leecher gets a lifetime ban from his Guild Wars account. |
This would be a huge problem for people going for the survivor title, since they could be willed to die by the leader. I don't think we should punish them to that extent.
Kanyatta
I really don't understand what the concern is. "ZOMGWTF! I worked for this PvE mission and they didn't!!! PvE is HARD!!!!!" I realize it's annoying, but I don't understand how your game experience is being crippled. Almost any NM mission can be beat with 1 person and 7 henchies, much less real people. PvE isn't hard by any stretch of the imagination.
Bohya
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This would be a huge problem for people going for the survivor title, since they could be willed to die by the leader. I don't think we should punish them to that extent.
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The 'hero' isn't actualy the player!
When the '5 minute rule' comes around a player then a box will open up to all the other players saying 'Kick' and 'Don't Kick'. This box remains on a players screen until they have selected an option. Next to the name on the party panel thing it will tell you how many votes there have been for 'Kick' and 'Don't Kick'.
And Kanyatta we're talking about leechers, not H/H v full man parties.
flclisgreat
yeah real life is way less important than GW. afk for 10 minutes to carry in groceries or something and you get banned? no thanks. besides any way of players banning other players is a VERY bad idea. no matter how complicated it was, there would be people/groups of people doing it. at random at first then to hold people hostage for there gold/items
Bohya
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yeah real life is way less important than GW.
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You can't see me
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Originally Posted by Bohya
No. Nothing that the party could do to them would effect them. When they come back into the game all of their things would be set back to before they were voted out (they would be in the last outpost they were in ofc). When they get voted out then they are automaticly logged out of the game.
The 'hero' isn't actualy the player! When the '5 minute rule' comes around a player then a box will open up to all the other players saying 'Kick' and 'Don't Kick'. This box remains on a players screen until they have selected an option. Next to the name on the party panel thing it will tell you how many votes there have been for 'Kick' and 'Don't Kick'. And Kanyatta we're talking about leechers, not H/H v full man parties. |
creelie
/signed
Although I would prefer a /votekick option.
Although I would prefer a /votekick option.
HawkofStorms
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Can be worked around when it happens. Open to abuse. PUGs suck, we all know that.
Can be worked around when it happens. Open to abuse. PUGs suck, we all know that.
Div
I think we need a title "leecher" to promote more leechers. For every minute afk while your team is killing stuff, you get a point. Fits in well with the bad Sardelac suggestions.
Buddhaofwar
I like the idea, but what happens to the people who have to go afk due to reasons they cannot control? How would that be fair to them? being forced away, cominc back and seeing that they got kicked back to the last outpost. Kinda one sided.
You can't see me
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Originally Posted by Buddhaofwar
I like the idea, but what happens to the people who have to go afk due to reasons they cannot control? How would that be fair to them? being forced away, cominc back and seeing that they got kicked back to the last outpost. Kinda one sided.
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They only recieve punishment for repeated offenses, and even then, the punishment is not harsh. If someone is leeching more than once in 24 hours because of events pulling him away, perhaps he needs to learn not to try to play and cover real life tasks that take priority over a game.
It sounds one sided, yes, but it comes down to that if you're busy, it's very rude to group with people knowing you may have to be pulled away for unreasonable amounts of time.
Bohya
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Forgive me, I misunderstood. I like the idea, but similar ones have been shot down. I, however, support a hero replacement, so long as these heros cannot carry PvE skills, as Ursan heros would be veru unescasarry and imbalanced in the sense of team setup.
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. Read what I have previously said and you should get it.I am thankful for your apology but it was unessisary.