I sign a pertition to bring back Monster skill theivery!!!!
For a second i thought it would be awsome and open up a HUGE new meta-game. ANet could fix a few things and make instant cast times for NPC's that would lead to exploitation in PVP, but other than that, well... why should we not be able to steal the other teams Body Guard skill? Why should we not be able to steal Bear form from the Norn???
Bring back Simple Theivery for monster skills. And breed some new life back in the game.
/signed
Bring back Monster Theivery Corporation
Trinity Fire Angel
shru
/notsigned
It'll just lead to more broken gimmicks, trashy farms, and endless rants and complaints.
It'll just lead to more broken gimmicks, trashy farms, and endless rants and complaints.
Kyomi Tachibana
Maybe make a PvE version of it? Or make Smooth Criminal able to steal any skill, so it will stay in PvE.
For PvP, /notsigned.
For PvE it could be fun.
For PvP, /notsigned.
For PvE it could be fun.
Nightmares Hammer
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Originally Posted by Trinity Fire Angel
Why should we not be able to steal Bear form from the Norn???
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Lord Darksoul
Call to the Torment (I think that's the exact name).
Now, if you copy that, do you clone yourself, or clone another enemy mob?
/notsigned
we already have overpowered pve skills, no need for stealing other mobs'.
Now, if you copy that, do you clone yourself, or clone another enemy mob?
/notsigned
we already have overpowered pve skills, no need for stealing other mobs'.
Buddhaofwar
Granted, it could be fun for certain skills like giant stomp, but monster skills are monster skills for a reason: Anet did not engineer them with human use in mind.
It would take a ton of balancing to get it to where it would be viable at all, just for 1 skill. Too much work, not enough gain.
/not signed
It would take a ton of balancing to get it to where it would be viable at all, just for 1 skill. Too much work, not enough gain.
/not signed
wu is me
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Originally Posted by Lord Darksoul
Call to the Torment (I think that's the exact name).
Now, if you copy that, do you clone yourself, or clone another enemy mob? /notsigned we already have overpowered pve skills, no need for stealing other mobs'. |
Anyway, given that there aren't many monster only skills in PvP, that can be 'stolen'/abused, and thus may be dealt feasibly case by case (only exceptions i can think of being, claim resource, and the siege turtle skill) I would sign this, since giving us the same skills that the mobs possibly makes PvE more "balanced" than it's ever been, and makes mesmers more fun to play
Trinity Fire Angel
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Originally Posted by Lord Darksoul
Call to the Torment (I think that's the exact name).
Now, if you copy that, do you clone yourself, or clone another enemy mob? /notsigned we already have overpowered pve skills, no need for stealing other mobs'. |
and yes, base defence is instant cast, so you could not run around insta-killing everyone in AB. altho... this is something i wanted to try when i got home from work. damn
Kyrein
8 players stealing meditation of the reaper from shiro..........
RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO no
RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO no
the kurzick eater
hmm... your one of those ursanway people arent you...
the purpose of monster skills is for them to be used my monsters.
seeing as your character is not a monster (to my knowledge), i do not see how this would make any sense at all to be brought back.
/not signed.
the purpose of monster skills is for them to be used my monsters.
seeing as your character is not a monster (to my knowledge), i do not see how this would make any sense at all to be brought back.
/not signed.
Kwith
As cool as it would be, I have to agree with everyone here.
Abbadon's Chosen
Fingers of Chaos
Spectral Agony
Some examples of why they shouldn't allow the ability to steal those skills.
Spectral Agony was cool to use in the Bonus Missions area but anything outside of there is a bit of overkill
/notsigned
Abbadon's Chosen
Fingers of Chaos
Spectral Agony
Some examples of why they shouldn't allow the ability to steal those skills.
Spectral Agony was cool to use in the Bonus Missions area but anything outside of there is a bit of overkill
/notsigned
Trinity Fire Angel
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hmm... your one of those ursanway people arent you...
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netniwk
/signed,it was sure fun to run around as a dragon.
genofreek
Too damn powerful, no real way to work it into the lore. A shame too, because that was by far the coolest glitch to me.
N1ghtstalker
/notsigned
i don't wanna see a war running around using Giant's stomp
no need for stealing monsterskills
those skills are from the monster's natural usage (see Giant stomp)
i don't wanna see a war running around using Giant's stomp
no need for stealing monsterskills
those skills are from the monster's natural usage (see Giant stomp)
Sleeper Service
overpowered, but awesome glitch.
ah well.
/notsigned
ah well.
/notsigned
Scary
not signed
Think we can do the job without stealing skills of others
Think we can do the job without stealing skills of others
U Wanna Die
why would someone want to bring in a HUGE metagame, the whole point is to get stuff balanced.
tmakinen
From a game mechanics point of view it is a Very Bad Idea.
From a RPG/lore point of view it doesn't make sense at all. Unlike normal skills that are either physical or magical feats monster skills are rooted in unique physiological/metaphysical properties of particular monsters. To be able to stomp like a giant you must have the mass of a giant, and the strength of a giant to move that mass (tensile strength of organic tissue undoubtedly comes into question as well).
/notsigned
From a RPG/lore point of view it doesn't make sense at all. Unlike normal skills that are either physical or magical feats monster skills are rooted in unique physiological/metaphysical properties of particular monsters. To be able to stomp like a giant you must have the mass of a giant, and the strength of a giant to move that mass (tensile strength of organic tissue undoubtedly comes into question as well).
/notsigned
Woop Shotty
Hah. I'd be in favor of monster skill weekends.
MirkoTeran
So you want bugs back into the game....
MithranArkanere
Monsters skill are overpowered on purpose.
PvE skills are overpowered on purpose.
If you make an overpowered skill copy an even more overpowered skills you get an EXCESSIVELY verpowered skills.
On top of that, most monsters skills are just habilities that monsters only can use due to unique genetical, magical or physical traits.
That is, before copying a monster skill, you would have to shapeshift into that monster's shape.
Maybe for GW2, or a Prophecies unlinked 'copy shape' skill that lets you turn into a Non-boss non-final monster with his completel skill bar but with level 20.
But just copy skills with simple thievery? Hehe.... NO.
PvE skills are overpowered on purpose.
If you make an overpowered skill copy an even more overpowered skills you get an EXCESSIVELY verpowered skills.
On top of that, most monsters skills are just habilities that monsters only can use due to unique genetical, magical or physical traits.
That is, before copying a monster skill, you would have to shapeshift into that monster's shape.
Maybe for GW2, or a Prophecies unlinked 'copy shape' skill that lets you turn into a Non-boss non-final monster with his completel skill bar but with level 20.
But just copy skills with simple thievery? Hehe.... NO.
Ctb
Fun toy, but the whole point of Monster Skills is that the monster's don't really have anything else going for them most of the time.
/notsigned
/notsigned
Jesse
/notsinged
spectral agony on uninfused targets (-30 degen // 100 dmg per second)
why would you ever have such a rediculous idea?
spectral agony on uninfused targets (-30 degen // 100 dmg per second)
why would you ever have such a rediculous idea?
MithranArkanere
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/notsinged
spectral agony on uninfused targets (-30 degen // 100 dmg per second) why would you ever have such a rediculous idea? |
It would be like Nelson Muntz's: "Stop hitting yourself".
Arduin
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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
That is, before copying a monster skill, you would have to shapeshift into that monster's shape.
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Still /notsigned though, tad overpowered in my opinion.
Numa Pompilius
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Originally Posted by Nightmares Hammer
Because Bear Form is the racial heritage of the Norn, its built into their genetics. Making it impossible for humans to use it...
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Kyomi Tachibana
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Originally Posted by Jesse
/notsinged
spectral agony on uninfused targets (-30 degen // 100 dmg per second) why would you ever have such a rediculous idea? |
shru
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Originally Posted by Kyomi Tachibana
Good luck interrupting it, at a 1/4 second cast.
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Abedeus
/signed
Funny skills like Giant Stomp would be easy to interrupt, but don't expect that Mesmers will interrupt a 1/4 second skills (actually, 1/8 for bosses) like Spectral Agony. I doubt it would have any effect on mursaats.
And meditation of the reaper is not interruptable, it's a 0 second cast skill.
@shru Spectral Agony is not a spell. Migraine has no effect on it.
Funny skills like Giant Stomp would be easy to interrupt, but don't expect that Mesmers will interrupt a 1/4 second skills (actually, 1/8 for bosses) like Spectral Agony. I doubt it would have any effect on mursaats.
And meditation of the reaper is not interruptable, it's a 0 second cast skill.
@shru Spectral Agony is not a spell. Migraine has no effect on it.
Kyomi Tachibana
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Originally Posted by shru
Using a 2nd migraine mes and 13 in fast casting, I was able to get an interupt off. For 20 seconds, the skill pretty much became an insta kill on any target.
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shru
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Originally Posted by Kyomi Tachibana
You're either fibbing, very lucky, or Spectral Agony is bugged, since it's a Skill and not a Spell, it wouldn't be affected by Migraine.
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upload some pics when I get home if you want. I went arounded and capped about 5 monster skills while the glitch was still ineffect, idk if I got lucky, but the only one I had problems with was elemental shift because of the knockdowns. Most of the skills ended up d/c'ing me, but I'm sure I got screenie of it on my bar.
beregond
/notsigned
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makosi
Even though it was a hoot, there were numerous crash bugs associated with some monster skills. Apparently Ooze-Division crashed every player in the instance when a player stole the skill and used it.
RiKio
/signed, because it is lulz.
HawkofStorms
/signed only in PvE
Although it was "too dang powerful" it was something "too dang powerful" on a MESMER! Anything that makes mesmers desirable in groups is good.
Although it was "too dang powerful" it was something "too dang powerful" on a MESMER! Anything that makes mesmers desirable in groups is good.
Magikarp
everyone LOVES gimmicks and trasy gameplay.
thanks OP, for letting me know you're one of the people i'll avoid in game.
thanks OP, for letting me know you're one of the people i'll avoid in game.
Lishy
/signed
And make simple thievery part of fast casting attributed
Mesmer already started to become the master of gimmicks.This can add to it and add a whole new level of "Know your enemys" slogan for mesmer.
Keep it in pve though.Perhaps add the effect to "Smooth criminal" instead :P
But some stuff should not be copyable though.Most notably things that normally wouldn't function..
But I don't see why we cant use bear form or giant stomp.
And make simple thievery part of fast casting attributed
Mesmer already started to become the master of gimmicks.This can add to it and add a whole new level of "Know your enemys" slogan for mesmer.
Keep it in pve though.Perhaps add the effect to "Smooth criminal" instead :P
But some stuff should not be copyable though.Most notably things that normally wouldn't function..
But I don't see why we cant use bear form or giant stomp.
Jetdoc
/not signed. It's just plain silly, in fact.
I pwnd U
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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran
So you want bugs back into the game....
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Pretty much my exact thought. We all have complained about bugs in the game, now we want one back because it benifits us? Thiss would then be called an exploit as it is unfairly benifiting us.
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Originally Posted by Merriam Webster Dictionary
to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage
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