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Dru Stratas

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16 Apr 2008 at 22:20 - 41

no what I mean is, the dragons involvement or w/e in cantha wouldnt be too unbelievable, knowing how much cantha loves dragons

but speaking of which, what does happen to our two lovely younger dragons?

Willow O Whisper

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Denmark

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19 Apr 2008 at 02:14 - 42

Hm... btw how do we know we killed Shiro for real? That guy just keeps comming back :P Could be awsome to see him back in gw2.

Konig Des Todes

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19 Apr 2008 at 03:04 - 43

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Originally Posted by Willow O Whisper

Hm... btw how do we know we killed Shiro for real? That guy just keeps comming back :P Could be awsome to see him back in gw2.

Well wether or not he is truly gone depends on if a soul disappears forever if you kill it in the game.

A soul, depending on the game or story, can either be indestructible or just as fragile *or more fragile* as the person's life. If it is indestructible, shiro and the others that we killed are still around, in the UW/RoT. However, if the soul disappears forever after you 'kill' it, then we will never see Shiro and the Lich again.

So, really it depends with ANet on if Shiro is gone for good or not. Same with the Lich and all the other souls we killed in the UW, FoW, and RoT. But I must say that it sounds as if they do not come back, therefore we won't see any of them again.

Free Runner

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19 Apr 2008 at 10:02 - 44

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Originally Posted by Willow O Whisper

Hm... btw how do we know we killed Shiro for real? That guy just keeps comming back :P Could be awsome to see him back in gw2.

Everything (Other than the Keepers and the heroes) in the Realm of Torment are spirits. Since Shiros mortal body was destroyed back in Cantha we could assume that the Shiro in Torment was the spirit. Although then again Abaddon could of built him a new body. But ether way he wouldnt be able to come back because 1 if he was a spirit hes been destroyed and 2 if Abaddon had recreated him hes also be overthrown therefore he wont be bringing him back. I think Shiro is done.

Konig Des Todes

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19 Apr 2008 at 15:17 - 45

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

Everything (Other than the Keepers and the heroes) in the Realm of Torment are spirits. Since Shiros mortal body was destroyed back in Cantha we could assume that the Shiro in Torment was the spirit. Although then again Abaddon could of built him a new body. But ether way he wouldnt be able to come back because 1 if he was a spirit hes been destroyed and 2 if Abaddon had recreated him hes also be overthrown therefore he wont be bringing him back. I think Shiro is done.

I think that was a spirit that we fought, but in the chance that it was a real body, if we killed him with a 3rd body, then killed Abaddon, Shiro would still come back because Abaddon never made Shiro come back, he was just there, only thing Abaddon would have done is give him a new body, so there is a chance that we see him in the UW or RoT of GW2 if it was a new body.

I Will Heal You Ally

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19 Apr 2008 at 15:21 - 46

I'd like to see more then Cantha, Tyria and Elona... new continent... new Tyria! New graphics where when you get on it... you won't recognize it's Lions Arch as we know it... or Kaineng City or anything else for that matter... I sure won't buy GW2 if the mapping is just like Tyria or Cantha or Elona... I mean it's 250 year - people evolve, modernize :P, change, ground moves and that dragons are on the loose some are burnt... new graphics and terrain PLEASE!

Elena

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19 Apr 2008 at 15:37 - 47

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Originally Posted by Mark Nevermiss

Suppose Abaddon's plans had succeeded and he had taken over the world and had become restored to full power. With the cooperation of Dhoom and Menzies and all the forces under them, including such generals as Shiro, the Lich, Mallyx, what would have become of the world if the dragons had awakened under such circumstances!

the dragons hate everything and would be like RAR!

hmm wonder if Abbadon with his full forces would stand a chance against all of them

Konig Des Todes

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19 Apr 2008 at 20:44 - 48

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Originally Posted by I Will Heal You Ally

I'd like to see more then Cantha, Tyria and Elona... new continent... new Tyria! New graphics where when you get on it... you won't recognize it's Lions Arch as we know it... or Kaineng City or anything else for that matter... I sure won't buy GW2 if the mapping is just like Tyria or Cantha or Elona... I mean it's 250 year - people evolve, modernize :P, change, ground moves and that dragons are on the loose some are burnt... new graphics and terrain PLEASE!

About LA, its flooded so it won't be the same.
About Cantha and Elona, unknown if we can go there in the first game *I hope we can*
I'm sure the graphics will be as good *if not better* then the ones in EN, and I'm sure they will change many things, as there will be "corruption" all over.

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Originally Posted by Elena

the dragons hate everything and would be like RAR!

hmm wonder if Abbadon with his full forces would stand a chance against all of them

I'm sure they would initially, because when the dragons wake up, they have no army, seeing how the Destroyers are basically gone. They create it once they wake up, so it depends on if Abaddon, Dhuum, and Menzies acts right away

. BTW, nice avatar. I was rofl when I read it.

Free Runner

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19 Apr 2008 at 23:48 - 49

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

About LA, its flooded so it won't be the same.
About Cantha and Elona, unknown if we can go there in the first game *I hope we can*
I'm sure the graphics will be as good *if not better* then the ones in EN, and I'm sure they will change many things, as there will be "corruption" all over.

The flooding resides so while it wont be the same old LA it wont exactly be totally flooded. In fact we'll probably see a new statue of balthazar there seeing as its the new entrance to the Rift/Hall of Heroes.

Due to the changed design in GW2 while Tyria will probably keep its same shape the environment will most likely differ greatly.

Konig Des Todes

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20 Apr 2008 at 18:06 - 50

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

The flooding resides so while it wont be the same old LA it wont exactly be totally flooded. In fact we'll probably see a new statue of balthazar there seeing as its the new entrance to the Rift/Hall of Heroes.

Due to the changed design in GW2 while Tyria will probably keep its same shape the environment will most likely differ greatly.

True, true, There will be changes here and there, like new statues, buildings in different places, but the general shape will probably be the same. Who knows, all that could be the same is the basic shape of the map and the type of terrain.

super strokey

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21 Apr 2008 at 15:24 - 51

I hope they clear up the envoys somewhat in GW2

Free Runner

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21 Apr 2008 at 17:54 - 52

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Originally Posted by super strokey

I hope they clear up the envoys somewhat in GW2

They are people who have done wicked deeds in life and have been given the punishment of having to serve as shepherds in guideing Spirits into the rift. What more needs to be said about them?

Konig Des Todes

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22 Apr 2008 at 01:30 - 53

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

They are people who have done wicked deeds in life and have been given the punishment of having to serve as shepherds in guideing Spirits into the rift. What more needs to be said about them?

Nothing about them, but put them more into the game! I actually found it interesting, an Envoy with a Scythe, before dervishes *concept art for one of them, I'll look for the pic and post it later if possible*.

Free Runner

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22 Apr 2008 at 08:40 - 54

Yeah and theres also one who duel wields axes. We will probably see some of the other Envoys in GW2 , what with the huge amount of death.

Willow O Whisper

Lion's Arch Merchant

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Denmark

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22 Apr 2008 at 10:55 - 55

Damn just thinking of seeing the old places in the graphics that comes with gw2 the underworld for example.... Can't wait...

Bergil

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23 Apr 2008 at 21:20 - 56

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

Its the Orr Dragon that is keeping the sea closed off. I suppose the Deep Sea Dragon adds to that a little but it seems like its the Undead Dragon's forces.

I won't call you wrong, just not completely right. The Undead Dragon is making it impossible to sail out of Tyria, yes. But I doubt it's sphere of influence extends much farther out to sea. Therefore the Deep sea Dragon would play a large part, especially if Canthan sea travel is interfered with. If it was, this could set up an interesting dynamic with the relation of Shing Jea to the rest of the empire.

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

Yes, he will live about 200 years longer then the normal human! He will be as old looking as Palawa if we were to face him in GW2, keep in mind, GW2 is 250 years after EN, and Usoku is the Emporer after Kisu, so he will only make it to about 70ish years after EN, if that.

And such rules of biology are scrupulously followed by fantasy writers, of course.

Konig Des Todes

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24 Apr 2008 at 03:27 - 57

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Originally Posted by Bergil

I won't call you wrong, just not completely right. The Undead Dragon is making it impossible to sail out of Tyria, yes. But I doubt it's sphere of influence extends much farther out to sea. Therefore the Deep sea Dragon would play a large part, especially if Canthan sea travel is interfered with. If it was, this could set up an interesting dynamic with the relation of Shing Jea to the rest of the empire.

The undead dragon blocks off a path between Orr and the Ring of Fire Islands. That prevents trade between Tyria and Cantha, which is the trade issue that is talked about. Nothing is said about Cantha's trade with Elona, other then that Cantha has become an isolationist country, which implies no trading at all, which, if so, would be uninfluenced by the dragons.

Free Runner

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24 Apr 2008 at 08:10 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bergil

I won't call you wrong, just not completely right. The Undead Dragon is making it impossible to sail out of Tyria, yes. But I doubt it's sphere of influence extends much farther out to sea. Therefore the Deep sea Dragon would play a large part, especially if Canthan sea travel is interfered with. If it was, this could set up an interesting dynamic with the relation of Shing Jea to the rest of the empire.

The Undead Dragons forces are smack bang in the middle of the sea of sorrow. I doubt that they do not extend out to sea meaning that they would be the major force stopping people from sailing around. And considering the tenticles riseing out of rivers in Tyria, the Deep Sea Dragon is probably a lot closer to Tyria than Cantha or Elona.

Elena

Desert Nomad

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Belgium

24 Apr 2008 at 18:04 - 59

brr i'm getting shivers all over my body from yust reading about these beasts think i'l need someone to hold my hand through GW2

yoho yoho a undead pirate's life for me

zling

Desert Nomad

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25 Apr 2008 at 01:26 - 60

the dumb ass escorts in Cantha exiled Shiro into "Hell" also known as the Realm of Torment

unfortunatly for them Abaddon has awakened and brought Shiro, the Lich and other demons back with him...
but than we overthrow Abaddon and Kormir takes his place. but meh... we didnt really destroy the Realm of Torment, it's still there, even after some people kill Mallyx.

really, Anet can do anything they want in GW2 and we'll just take it the same way we took all the crap they fed us in GW1...

Konig Des Todes

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25 Apr 2008 at 03:01 - 61

Quote:

Originally Posted by zling

the dumb ass escorts in Cantha exiled Shiro into "Hell" also known as the Realm of Torment

unfortunatly for them Abaddon has awakened and brought Shiro, the Lich and other demons back with him...
but than we overthrow Abaddon and Kormir takes his place. but meh... we didnt really destroy the Realm of Torment, it's still there, even after some people kill Mallyx.

really, Anet can do anything they want in GW2 and we'll just take it the same way we took all the crap they fed us in GW1...

The Realm of Torment is still around, but now it is under Kormir's control, not any evil's control *unless some cheesy plot twist makes Kormir go insane*

Free Runner

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25 Apr 2008 at 10:07 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by zling

the dumb ass escorts in Cantha exiled Shiro into "Hell" also known as the Realm of Torment

unfortunatly for them Abaddon has awakened and brought Shiro, the Lich and other demons back with him...
but than we overthrow Abaddon and Kormir takes his place. but meh... we didnt really destroy the Realm of Torment, it's still there, even after some people kill Mallyx.

really, Anet can do anything they want in GW2 and we'll just take it the same way we took all the crap they fed us in GW1...

The Realm of Torment is a supposidly a subsection of the Underworld and was supposed to be an area that the truely evil spirits would find themselves in. However since it also was prison to Abaddon after thousands of years in there, Abaddon began to change it to his own fitting - his Nightfall. So once Abaddon and Mallyx are destroyed the Realm of Torment goes back to its original purpose.

Why would we destroy it in the first place? the goal was to defeat Abaddon and free the spirits that had been caught up in his plans aswell as stop Nightfall. Destroying it was not one of the goals.