hello (sry for my poor english)
for people who don't know the term:
fff=fast faction farming
hfff=fast faction farming with heroes
hfff bot= ???
I have decided to make that thread for 2 reasons , it's prohibited , and because /report have no consequence.
The Bot can be found easily with just enter "hfff bot" on google , on first page...
Bot are running on lutgardis conservatory , the fff land.
It's not difficult to recognize the bot's user , they all go on "flag" melandru's hope (near exit)
, make litle rotation and after too schuss.I have see 2 different version for hfff bot.
You can see it on all lutgardis region , asia ,europe and inter.
They are now more bot than real people who make hfff , it's very ridiculous.
I know bots are not new in guild wars , i remenber to augury rock , ember
light camp ,droknar ..with all the asian's bot the first year, but the hfff bot is not only a money
maker or a website pub:
this bot can be use for 2 titles ( survivor & off course kurzick title)
, money farming (quest reward) and for help to own a city.
I think to give possibility to make faction title with quest was a failure for
faction and i understand you can't change the system after 2 years~ but pls dont
leave the faction title become a simply bot farming.
I hope gaile or andrew can give me a answer , if you try to resolve that problem
or if it's the end and we can all use a bot .. :@.
thx for try to read me ^^
Hfff bot --> Lutgardis
_Orange
Penny
Yes I agree with orange that there is a lot of bot for hfff in lutgardis (perhaps it exists for luxon side, I dont have check in each disctrict). You can easily see the hfff bot just changing the district you are in lutgardis to see a lot of "famous" guild who hfffb...
We have a topic in a french forum, but we suppose that a topic here can be more efficient to ban the bot users !
/signed !
We have a topic in a french forum, but we suppose that a topic here can be more efficient to ban the bot users !
/signed !
Drop of Fear
lutgardis AND mount quinai. bots farm the luxon quest aswell.
it's completely ridiculous when u see that over the last months cavalon and hzh alliance were full of botters.
we have a bot list with 200+ entries and reported them all multiple times with no effects. u can see them all day long any given moment farming those quests.
it's completely ridiculous when u see that over the last months cavalon and hzh alliance were full of botters.
we have a bot list with 200+ entries and reported them all multiple times with no effects. u can see them all day long any given moment farming those quests.
Esan
Bots in Lutgardis is ancient history. Many dozens have been reported. Anet are not going to do anything about it. Also, faction farming, unlike most other bot activities, is essentially victimless. (The only victims are the alliances hoping to control the capital cities, but this late in the game's life what is the point?). We already know that Anet look the other way for certain bot-like activities such as drinking alcohol, so this isn't exactly unprecedented.
ETA: Anet can remove the faction reward for the two Scouting quests. It would solve the problem overnight.
ETA: Anet can remove the faction reward for the two Scouting quests. It would solve the problem overnight.
Shiney
This... this is really depressing.
People would actually risk getting banned just to get some faction?
Not to mention how totally pointless it is anyway, there isn't any sense of satisfaction in a reward unless you work for it yourself.
People would actually risk getting banned just to get some faction?
Not to mention how totally pointless it is anyway, there isn't any sense of satisfaction in a reward unless you work for it yourself.
Penny
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People would actually risk getting banned just to get some faction by using bot.
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ps : sorry if I make some mistake in my english too :/
Oukanna
Well, it's like life people always try to cheat the system because they are lazy...
I think there are so many bots, that Anet cant really keep on top of them as they have said they need to be sure they are bots and not people just farming over and over.
Like we see them in districts doing certain movements over and over...i dont think Anet can see those movements...unless it logs every move evey character makes and then that would mean a lot of data to sift through.
I think there are so many bots, that Anet cant really keep on top of them as they have said they need to be sure they are bots and not people just farming over and over.
Like we see them in districts doing certain movements over and over...i dont think Anet can see those movements...unless it logs every move evey character makes and then that would mean a lot of data to sift through.
Esan
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i dont think Anet can see those movements...unless it logs every move evey character makes and then that would mean a lot of data to sift through.
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Mickey
I go there and report them if I'm feeling down.
MSecorsky
I still say they should sneak in some bot traps. A couple strategically places obstacles appear in town and all the bot programs will stack up and be stuck until human interaction.
This would make it extremely clear as to who's doing what.
This would make it extremely clear as to who's doing what.
Leighwyn
Well, they aren't all bots. I got accused (and a hilarious thread on GWG ensued) for being one simply because I used the Melandru's signpost. It's just that when you're doing something mindless, and doing it over and over and over, it pays to use as much advantage as the game affords you and one of those advantages is "target nearest object -> Space Bar".
With that said, however, some are very obviously bots. They either consistently rotate at the signpost and then wallhug up the RHS, or they rotate and move diagonally across the whole staircase. Again, even this isn't concrete evidence but for observers who cannot pass judgement, it's pretty simple to see.
All I'm trying to do is show that though (as far as we all know) all bots use the signpost, the converse of that statement (that all signpost users are bots) is not necessarily true.
With that said, however, some are very obviously bots. They either consistently rotate at the signpost and then wallhug up the RHS, or they rotate and move diagonally across the whole staircase. Again, even this isn't concrete evidence but for observers who cannot pass judgement, it's pretty simple to see.
All I'm trying to do is show that though (as far as we all know) all bots use the signpost, the converse of that statement (that all signpost users are bots) is not necessarily true.
IslandHermet
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Rubbish. It requires one GM to spend one minute in Lutgardis to spot half a dozen bots. Send each one an unignorable GM-PM or two and then calmly reach for the ban button. You just need to start a scare, not chase down every last bot and exterminate it. Gaile can accomplish this much during a mid Tuesday coffee break.
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this could work if they did it every hour or so but it will not work if Gaile only bans a few dozen then calls it a day.
the only way to do it is to constantly ban bots all day long and this will not work unless they put in a automated ban bot which Gaile has said they do not use/do
bots do not sleep, bots do not eat, bots do not slow down
Anets GM's do sleep, and eat, and get tired.
"for every 1 bot you ban 2 take its place"
the bots will win every time.
MrSlayer
This raises the question of why you were searching for bots on google in the first place, but yeah it sucks.
Hott Bill
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This raises the question of why you were searching for bots on google in the first place, but yeah it sucks.
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Pwned....
Anyway /notsigned because I was in the Sins alliance as a FFFer and it was our life, it is not our fault if bots come into the area, just ban them.
pkodyssey
It took me over a week to get un-banned when I was mistaken for a bot doing hfff.
I did the mindless run to the sign rotate and run up the stairs. It was so boring and tedious.
I also ran with "all" chat off and my status set to off-line because I hated all the 10 year old BS and requests to join a hfff team.
There is a very fine line that Anet needs to walk with regard to banning accounts. I, apparently, acted like a bot and never responded to anyone, therefore I was a bot in their eyes. It was a total pain trying to convince them otherwise.
I did the mindless run to the sign rotate and run up the stairs. It was so boring and tedious.
I also ran with "all" chat off and my status set to off-line because I hated all the 10 year old BS and requests to join a hfff team.
There is a very fine line that Anet needs to walk with regard to banning accounts. I, apparently, acted like a bot and never responded to anyone, therefore I was a bot in their eyes. It was a total pain trying to convince them otherwise.
Oukanna
Perhaps they should create a anti-bot program that monitors behaviour..perhaps not have them banned first off, send them an automated response which requires them to repeat a number...if you are not a bot you can reply and nothing more happens, if you dont reply and your still moving around then obviously your a bot. ( i mean who is that ignorant to noy reply to a GM )
Captain Miken
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Originally Posted by Oukanna
Perhaps they should create a anti-bot program that monitors behaviour..perhaps not have them banned first off, send them an automated response which requires them to repeat a number...if you are not a bot you can reply and nothing more happens, if you dont reply and your still moving around then obviously your a bot. ( i mean who is that ignorant to noy reply to a GM )
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Kattar
Oh yeah, and there are no GM's per se, in the game.
Izzy and a few others have "observer" accounts, but that's about it.
It's always been this way, just like there are still loads on bots heading to Mineral Springs. Sorry, welcome to Guild Wars.
Izzy and a few others have "observer" accounts, but that's about it.
It's always been this way, just like there are still loads on bots heading to Mineral Springs. Sorry, welcome to Guild Wars.
Kityn
What is sad is that I have witnessed members from well known guilds who exhibited bot like behaviors during this HFFF of Melandru's Hope. Sure can be tedious. But when the same person does the exact same thing over and over again and also takes the same ammount of time to get to the exit, expect to be called a bot. Also when it is more than just a handful of people acting the exact same way, well sure looks fishy to me.
freaky naughty
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Perhaps they should create a anti-bot program that monitors behaviour..perhaps not have them banned first off, send them an automated response which requires them to repeat a number...if you are not a bot you can reply and nothing more happens, if you dont reply and your still moving around then obviously your a bot. ( i mean who is that ignorant to noy reply to a GM )
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Navaros
I find it hilariously ironic that for a player to max that title, the design of the game itself dictates that the player must manually engage in bot like behaviour for hundreds or thousands of hours. Yet when a player uses a bot that automatically does the exact same thing then that the player is doing manually, almost ad infinitum, anyways, then that is wrong and evil.
Point being, the core problem about bots in HFFF is bad design requiring manual bot like behaviour grind for hundreds/thousands of hours; not the bots themselves. Removing that ludicrous grind would fix the core problem, removing the bots will not.
Point being, the core problem about bots in HFFF is bad design requiring manual bot like behaviour grind for hundreds/thousands of hours; not the bots themselves. Removing that ludicrous grind would fix the core problem, removing the bots will not.
freaky naughty
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I find it hilariously ironic that for a player to max that title, the design of the game itself dictates that the player must manually engage in bot like behaviour for hundreds or thousands of hours. Yet when a player uses a bot that automatically does the exact same thing then that the player is doing manually, almost ad infinitum, anyways, then that is wrong and evil.
Point being, the core problem about bots in HFFF is bad design requiring manual bot like behaviour grind for hundreds/thousands of hours; not the bots themselves. Removing that ludicrous grind would fix the core problem, removing the bots will not. |
ShadowsRequiem
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Bots in Lutgardis is ancient history. Many dozens have been reported. Anet are not going to do anything about it. Also, faction farming, unlike most other bot activities, is essentially victimless. (The only victims are the alliances hoping to control the capital cities, but this late in the game's life what is the point?). We already know that Anet look the other way for certain bot-like activities such as drinking alcohol, so this isn't exactly unprecedented.
ETA: Anet can remove the faction reward for the two Scouting quests. It would solve the problem overnight. |
Shadowmere
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Originally Posted by Navaros
I find it hilariously ironic that for a player to max that title, the design of the game itself dictates that the player must manually engage in bot like behaviour for hundreds or thousands of hours. Yet when a player uses a bot that automatically does the exact same thing then that the player is doing manually, almost ad infinitum, anyways, then that is wrong and evil.
Point being, the core problem about bots in HFFF is bad design requiring manual bot like behaviour grind for hundreds/thousands of hours; not the bots themselves. Removing that ludicrous grind would fix the core problem, removing the bots will not. |
The Kuzick/Luxon titles pretty much require a bot-like endurance while farming for faction (assuming the title is to be achieved before the launch of GW2). Speaking from my experience hfff you pretty much become a bot while doing this, same route over and over again, same scenery. Your mind pretty much shuts down.
Imo there needs to be more options for gaining faction, right now the most effecient means of building significant faction is hfff. You can AB for faction but it's hit or miss and dosen't have nearly the payout of the scouting quests.
Perhaps if there was a smaller version of AB that had similar payout and time ratio to hfff, a bit like a RA or TA that had kuzick/luxon payout instead of balthazar.
MercenaryKnight
The main reason it's not that simple is because theirs not much to the farm. You basically are a human bot when you run that for hours anyway.
I am surprised their isn't some script somewhere for the keyboards/ mice programs where all you do is go outside the zone with your u map up and hit one button and it'll place the flags and click the run skills for you each and every time. That wouldn't be against eula because you still have to take quest and zone manually.
If I wasn't afraid of them still banning me wrongly, I would just do that with the simple programs that come with my keyboard and mouse. Because it isn't "a script which can do stuff while I am away" it is something I have to manually use every time I zone my character.
I am surprised their isn't some script somewhere for the keyboards/ mice programs where all you do is go outside the zone with your u map up and hit one button and it'll place the flags and click the run skills for you each and every time. That wouldn't be against eula because you still have to take quest and zone manually.
If I wasn't afraid of them still banning me wrongly, I would just do that with the simple programs that come with my keyboard and mouse. Because it isn't "a script which can do stuff while I am away" it is something I have to manually use every time I zone my character.
Master Knightfall
Reporting does very little good I've found unless it is a major issue. The bots Anet are after are the gold seller ones moreso than faction farmers and item farmers and the like.
I've tested the /report system since it started in more ways than reporting bots and Anet is very very lax on what they do about reports. When the same fool day after day week after week can spam a local town or outpost and cause havoc and is still online after coutless /reports on him something is wrong with the report system. Why people get banned here faster than Anet does anything about the low life in GW that just live to cause trouble in towns and outposts on a daily basis. I've even had 10 members of my guild report this character and nothing. He laughs it off everytime we tell him he's been reported and just continues to do what he does. And the ignore list isn't anywhere close to large enough to ignore every single one of these character types anymore. He hangs out in the same district of the same town usally everyday. I can't believe this character gets away with this after all the reports sent in.
IMHO Anet only makes it appear that they do anything with these features and Gailes few comments about them from time to time and actually don't do anything at all or very little. How many people do you know personally that have been perma banned from Anet? I've played it nearly 3 years now and don't know of a single one. Just those ones that fly to the forums to complain when they did get one.
I've tested the /report system since it started in more ways than reporting bots and Anet is very very lax on what they do about reports. When the same fool day after day week after week can spam a local town or outpost and cause havoc and is still online after coutless /reports on him something is wrong with the report system. Why people get banned here faster than Anet does anything about the low life in GW that just live to cause trouble in towns and outposts on a daily basis. I've even had 10 members of my guild report this character and nothing. He laughs it off everytime we tell him he's been reported and just continues to do what he does. And the ignore list isn't anywhere close to large enough to ignore every single one of these character types anymore. He hangs out in the same district of the same town usally everyday. I can't believe this character gets away with this after all the reports sent in.
IMHO Anet only makes it appear that they do anything with these features and Gailes few comments about them from time to time and actually don't do anything at all or very little. How many people do you know personally that have been perma banned from Anet? I've played it nearly 3 years now and don't know of a single one. Just those ones that fly to the forums to complain when they did get one.
Gattocheese
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I find it hilariously ironic that for a player to max that title, the design of the game itself dictates that the player must manually engage in bot like behaviour for hundreds or thousands of hours. Yet when a player uses a bot that automatically does the exact same thing then that the player is doing manually, almost ad infinitum, anyways, then that is wrong and evil.
Point being, the core problem about bots in HFFF is bad design requiring manual bot like behaviour grind for hundreds/thousands of hours; not the bots themselves. Removing that ludicrous grind would fix the core problem, removing the bots will not. |
Being from the early FFF days where bots and Heros were not used yet, i used to think the title was meaningful. Now i dont. I realized that after all the hard work i have done faction farming, that the title became meaningless when HFFF was born. (still a neat title though)
If i could use a bot to save me hours upon hours of faction farming i probaly would use one. For i have reported many bots in the past in lutz, not just based on movement either. I investigate a lil before i actually do a /report. But now it doesnt matter. Before you used to have to be in a top Kurzick guild with some teamwork to pull off a steady and successful title. Now any joe smoe can get it.
The only thing i say is dont believe a word anyone says on these forums. Either it be about getting banned, saying i dont bot, scam, ect. I have had ex guildies come on here and flat out lie a bunch of times about thier accounts being banned for one reason or another. People will say anything to protect their stature and account.
Sergeant of Marines
^ ^ What Gatto said. Just very sad that bots farm the money from the quest.
I think they should take the 150g out of the quest to make it just about faction. I would lose alot of income from this but still, it might stop this a little.
The only way it might not stop it, is if the bots are from the 2 major Factions farming to control the 2 main cities.
I think they should take the 150g out of the quest to make it just about faction. I would lose alot of income from this but still, it might stop this a little.
The only way it might not stop it, is if the bots are from the 2 major Factions farming to control the 2 main cities.
Shakkara
Actually, I did get kicked and banned once when I was farming the lutgardis quest for two days during the weekend.
And I wasn't even botting! Fortunately they unbanned me within hours after I contacted support, but it's still odd.
So how come those bots don't get banned and I did?
And I wasn't even botting! Fortunately they unbanned me within hours after I contacted support, but it's still odd.
So how come those bots don't get banned and I did?
Shakkara
Edit: doublepost due to lag, delete please.
tankity tank
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I find it hilariously ironic that for a player to max that title, the design of the game itself dictates that the player must manually engage in bot like behaviour for hundreds or thousands of hours. Yet when a player uses a bot that automatically does the exact same thing then that the player is doing manually, almost ad infinitum, anyways, then that is wrong and evil.
Point being, the core problem about bots in HFFF is bad design requiring manual bot like behaviour grind for hundreds/thousands of hours; not the bots themselves. Removing that ludicrous grind would fix the core problem, removing the bots will not. |
Ekelon
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What is sad is that I have witnessed members from well known guilds who exhibited bot like behaviors during this HFFF of Melandru's Hope. Sure can be tedious. But when the same person does the exact same thing over and over again and also takes the same ammount of time to get to the exit, expect to be called a bot. Also when it is more than just a handful of people acting the exact same way, well sure looks fishy to me.
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FoxBat
We have bounties now. Nuke the repeatable quests, they aren't needed anymore, and HFFF is bad gameplay whether you're a bot or not. Up the bounties (as well as AB/FA) some if you like, most efficient use of them will always be HM boss runs, which is beyond the average bot.
HawkofStorms
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We have bounties now. Nuke the repeatable quests, they aren't needed anymore, and HFFF is bad gameplay whether you're a bot or not. Up the bounties (as well as AB/FA) some if you like, most efficient use of them will always be HM boss runs, which is beyond the average bot.
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Leighwyn
They could just rewrite their code to spawn enemies upon zoning or at least load them in as AI approaches and not just the playing character. Then we'd have to go back to FFF :-P
aapo
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People would actually risk getting banned just to get some faction?
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Not to mention how totally pointless it is anyway, there isn't any sense of satisfaction in a reward unless you work for it yourself.
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Antheus
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The Meth
If Anet wants to crack down on EULA violations sometime soon, how about they go after the gold sellers and account buyer's? You know, the ones that actually affect real players? Punishing someone going after a harmless title is low on my list of priorities.
Go ahead and remove the 150 gold each time the quest is done. Considering FF is much faster then AB, why should the person doing it get 2 million gold at the same time?
Go ahead and remove the 150 gold each time the quest is done. Considering FF is much faster then AB, why should the person doing it get 2 million gold at the same time?
Pleikki
Im in hzh Ally and i dont know Any bot Drop of Fear. And idd its ridicilous bot. We know when someone using bot and it isnt fun (huge faction spikes). SO it should be stopped.