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N1ghtstalker

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2007

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12 Mar 2008 at 18:01 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esan

Interrupt Spirit Bond? What on earth is the point? Only a bot would think interrupting it makes any kind of sense.

i'm just making an example to show how bots can react fast in a fight
but still
how do bots get access to all kinds of skills when they 're farming keys?
i think they're just retarded and running a starterbuild they get when they're made

warcrap

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

somewhere on earth!

E/Me

12 Mar 2008 at 22:30 - 42

doesnt this game use anti-macro programs like when they code the games so macro programs get confused.

warcrap

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

somewhere on earth!

E/Me

12 Mar 2008 at 22:30 - 43

Quote:

Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

i'm just making an example to show how bots can react fast in a fight
but still
how do bots get access to all kinds of skills when they 're farming keys?
i think they're just retarded and running a starterbuild they get when they're made

skill unlock pack

Zaris

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2007

The Netherlands

12 Mar 2008 at 22:34 - 44

farming faction is now the fastest way to get cash?
looks like lootscaling did its job and killed the pve bots

You Look Grim

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

Ecnegilletni Laicifitra [朔mud]

12 Mar 2008 at 22:34 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malice Black

There is a difference between a bot and the average RA player?

depends whether you're in international districts or american.

Zaris

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2007

The Netherlands

12 Mar 2008 at 22:38 - 46

soon we will see bot teams in ab that play better then most player teams
farming faction for scrolls to sell

aapo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

12 Mar 2008 at 22:51 - 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekelon

I was being sardonic fyi. It's pretty obvious someone's a bot when they do repetitive things and don't talk. Some bots, however, will randomly say "HI". This is usually a pre-programmed statement that is set to go every once in a while, if you notice someone saying "HI" randomly at the end or middle of a match, then they might be a bot.

- So the difference between bots and real players is that bots usually follow the team, attack targets, interrupt with perfect precision and have manners?

VOTD

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

12 Mar 2008 at 22:57 - 48

tryed to end up with a warrior bot sometimes too. makes it hell of a lot harder >< id like gw to set up something that coud fick and ban those who are doing it

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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12 Mar 2008 at 23:26 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by aapo

- So the difference between bots and real players is that bots usually follow the team, attack targets, interrupt with perfect precision and have manners?

Keep in mind bots don't know how to prioritize.
They don't know the difference between interupting that ele's aura of restoration or that monk's ZB. They don't attack monks. They don't know how to retreat, regroup, or stay out of range of rt spirits.
And on larger maps like the Kurzick RA map, they don't even move from the loading area since the enemies can fight the entire fight outside of the bots radar range.

Ekelon

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Rebel Rising [rawr]

A/W

12 Mar 2008 at 23:59 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by aapo

- So the difference between bots and real players is that bots usually follow the team, attack targets, interrupt with perfect precision and have manners?

Please find a quote by me that says the bots "interrupt with perfect precision" and have "manners". Please don't shove words in my mouth.

I merely said that they say Hi every X amount of seconds to pretend that they aren't a bot. "Hi" does not necessarily equate to manners, and when you say manners, that could technically mean good or bad manners.

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Keep in mind bots don't know how to prioritize.
They don't know the difference between interupting that ele's aura of restoration or that monk's ZB. They don't attack monks. They don't know how to retreat, regroup, or stay out of range of rt spirits.
And on larger maps like the Kurzick RA map, they don't even move from the loading area since the enemies can fight the entire fight outside of the bots radar range.

How do you know that? What if, someone made a bot program that can "read" every single skill used by an opponent? You can't say it doesn't exist or isn't possible. This being said, they can probably prioritize too, being able to find out whether the target is a Monk or a Warrior. I'm not sure who would really have time to create such intelligent AI, but if there is, maybe they should go work for Anet, because then they can create better responding AI for heroes and henchman.

Who knows, maybe all top 10 GvG'ers are bots and you just don't know that!

bigtime102

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2007

13 Mar 2008 at 00:04 - 51

and it brings the price of z keys down, theres nothing but positives, let them bot away

snikerz

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Rt/A

13 Mar 2008 at 00:46 - 52

a thread like this already exsists:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10255180

ANet have not taken action for months.

after a couple months sending support tickets(around 20ish replies), their final reply was they are aware but dont know when they will remedy it, i'm thinking it was something to finally shut me up, as they dont care.

you can bet nothing will come of this thread, sry but its what happened to the thread mentioned above, garentee it.

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

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13 Mar 2008 at 00:46 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekelon

Please find a quote by me that says the bots "interrupt with perfect precision" and have "manners". Please don't shove words in my mouth.

Sheesh, Ekelon... have a sense of humor.

Shakti

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2006

Home...

Vier Reiter [Vier]

13 Mar 2008 at 01:39 - 54

If you buy it, they will come.

Who's surprised? Z keys sell....good market, easy to farm the points to get it. Those are the things botters like.

Nemo the Capitalist

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Trust me you dont want to know my Chasms of Despair

Zaishen Brotherhood

N/Me

13 Mar 2008 at 01:45 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

You know what's really funny? Those that don't bring a rez sig, but, scream REZ ME REZ ME REZ ME after they die. lol I find that hilariously funny.

people suck in ra QQ

Apple

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

N/Mo

13 Mar 2008 at 03:59 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by You Look Grim

depends whether you're in international districts or american.

Best post in riverside ever. Not hard, but eh.

Pleikki

WTB q8 15^50 Weapons!

Join Date: Nov 2006

???oo ???ugs ???lan [?????????]

13 Mar 2008 at 05:22 - 57

Well i havent seen any bots in ra or then havent noticed they are bots. well ofc bots do farm zkeys .. Zkey = easy cash and that cash can be spammed on gold sell sites and sell for real cash.

You Look Grim

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

Ecnegilletni Laicifitra [朔mud]

13 Mar 2008 at 05:26 - 58

i haven't been to RA in awhile.
is this botting happening in american districts mostly,
or international too?

Holly Herro

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Kangaroo-land.

Blades of the Dingo [AUST]

13 Mar 2008 at 09:02 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekelon

That's really sad. Everyone know's the best and most brainless skillbar to use is touch rangers! But yea, I've seen this before, but IMO a bot would be better in zaishen elite, unless the 1k faction cap applies there also.

but imo, if the 3 people aren't dumb and know how to read the chatbox, they should know to use the function /report. Sadly enough, there are times when you encounter players who don't know how to type /report. It makes me feel like i'm talking with caveman in RA sometimes

.

It makes me pretty sad too. I once encountered the silliest team of people.

Person 1:"He has feelings too you know. Just because he wont read it or anything doesn't mean he wont have his feelings hurt.."

Person 2:"You're sinning. You'll go to hell oO"

Me:"I don't like this team anymore."

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

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13 Mar 2008 at 09:07 - 60

A funny consequence of this phenomenon: PvP players now have henchmen/heroes!

Anyway, this had to happen at one point, RMT companies have to expand their business. Next, the runner-bot and auction-house-bot!

wu is me

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

13 Mar 2008 at 11:35 - 61

man wtf?

why would ppl make bots in RA?

I have always thought that it's been far easier to get balthazar faction from the zaishen elite.

If they want to get faction fast, the better option would be to get a whole bunch of accounts and run the bots to get 6k faction per account per day, at a rate that i would think is much faster, and less annoying/report prone, than having an RA bot.

I get 6k faction from ZE in under 30 mins

I only get 6k at the same rate if i get consecs in RA,

otherwise, faction comes very slowly...

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

13 Mar 2008 at 11:46 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zaris

farming faction is now the fastest way to get cash?
looks like lootscaling did its job and killed the pve bots

You are my new hero!

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

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13 Mar 2008 at 11:46 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by wu is me

man wtf?

why would ppl make bots in RA?

I have always thought that it's been far easier to get balthazar faction from the zaishen elite.

If they want to get faction fast, the better option would be to get a whole bunch of accounts and run the bots to get 6k faction per account per day, at a rate that i would think is much faster, and less annoying/report prone, than having an RA bot.

I get 6k faction from ZE in under 30 mins

I only get 6k at the same rate if i get consecs in RA,

otherwise, faction comes very slowly...

that is 6k faction per DAY. I think that RA-ing for 24 hours definitely nets much more and thus is much much faster.

Besides, 6k faction transaltes to 3k gold ... they muight as well just farm pve.

Lord Sojar

The Fallen One

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oblivion

Irrelevant

Mo/Me

13 Mar 2008 at 12:06 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esan

Fixed that for you. Bots and bans = steady income for Anet.

It costs ANET more to ban the amount that they ban then they get in new accounts. Besides, most botters have stolen guild wars accounts from their keyloggers. So, no, that is plain wrong.

FrAnt1c??

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

Belgium

Legion Of Sacred Light [LSL]

Mo/

13 Mar 2008 at 12:42 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

It costs ANET more to ban the amount that they ban then they get in new accounts. Besides, most botters have stolen guild wars accounts from their keyloggers. So, no, that is plain wrong.

I thought banning an account was just a click's work...

shoyon456

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

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13 Mar 2008 at 12:56 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrAnt1c²

I thought banning an account was just a click's work...

It has been stated MANY times before that to ensure the legitamacy of a perma ban, anet devs actually go through the account's history and actions before banning it. Going through all of that data is what makes banning an account cost more than the revenue they get in new accounts

HuntMaster Avatar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

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13 Mar 2008 at 13:34 - 67

i dont report cause from what i hear its too much work and hardly anything happens. i did not buy gw to police the game nor do i get anything for reporting so i dont. whether i report or not makes no difference at all. gw needs to remove trial accounts. that would solve alot of the issues.

If i see a bot i ignore it. bots will always be in the game and you could spend all your time reporting them. i'd rather play.

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

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13 Mar 2008 at 13:43 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

from what i hear its too much work

Well, you shouldn't listen to what you hear ... except what I'm going to tell you: you only need to type "/report NAME_TO_REPORT" and that's it.

Difficult?

HuntMaster Avatar

Wilds Pathfinder

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13 Mar 2008 at 13:48 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

Well, you shouldn't listen to what you hear ... except what I'm going to tell you: you only need to type "/report NAME_TO_REPORT" and that's it.

Difficult?

it is when i see hundreds of violations a day and anet seems to do nothing at all. although i may try to help the community by reporting violators. dont count on it, but thanks for the info anyways.

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

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13 Mar 2008 at 14:10 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

it is when i see hundreds of violations a day and anet seems to do nothing at all. although i may try to help the community by reporting violators. dont count on it, but thanks for the info anyways.

If hundreds of people who think like you would change their mind, the problem would have been eradicated a long time ago. But well, some people don't want to listen, they only want to play. I don't blame you for that, I only blame the community, i.e., all of us collectively.

Zorgy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

Paris, France

[any]

W/Me

13 Mar 2008 at 14:26 - 71

I agree with Fril Estelin.

I am R12 Luxon [I never leeched ONE time, never] & I never miss the opportunity to report a leecher in AB when I encounter one

Greediness leads to evil attitudes...."...I only blame the community, i.e., all of us collectively..."

If you consider yourself a true player (someone who complies with FAIRPLAY) you have to report the evil players/bots, even if ANET does not react.

Have fun folks

RiKio

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2007

Plato's Cave

W/E

13 Mar 2008 at 14:35 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

have you ever seen the difference with a mesmer bot and real mesmer player?
well put it this way
at fast casting 10 with a skill like [skill]power spike[/skill] that bot can interupt even your [skill]spirit bond[/skill] and a human player can't
so what's the difference? bots have rapid reflexes

Did you want an improvement to RA? Here is

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

13 Mar 2008 at 14:46 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoyon456

It has been stated MANY times before that to ensure the legitamacy of a perma ban, anet devs actually go through the account's history and actions before banning it.

It has been stated MANY times before, too, that the earth is flat.

Master Knightfall

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2007

13 Mar 2008 at 14:52 - 74

Don't listen to the tattle tails they just want YOU to go down with them when those botters find out who told on them and THEY WILL, you better believe they will because they know things you don't even know and they will find you and they will get your account and they will take everything you have and then they will delete every character you ever made and played. So, it's best as it is in the real world to "mind your own business" and let Anet take care of their own. <grin>

HuntMaster Avatar

Wilds Pathfinder

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13 Mar 2008 at 15:16 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

If hundreds of people who think like you would change their mind, the problem would have been eradicated a long time ago. But well, some people don't want to listen, they only want to play. I don't blame you for that, I only blame the community, i.e., all of us collectively.

i would be alot more proactive in the community if the community was worth it. as it is now i think player deserve all the crappy nerfs we have. serves them right for their elitist additudes and greedy behavior.

in other words if people were not so rude, and so willing to go out of their way to ruin the experience for others then more of us would be willing to stop what we are doing to try to improove the funfactor for Everyone.

and hundreds if not thousands of people report abuse daily and i still see people abusing others regularly. anet hasnt done anything. cant even ask someone anything anymore because its always "look on wiki".

the community is not helpful, so i see no reason why i should be. I used to be helpful but this same community showed me the error of my ways.

Help= fail. meantion a problem = QQ. selfish + rude = FTW! which is very sad. one reason i do not play much anymore.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

Don't listen to the tattle tails they just want YOU to go down with them when those botters find out who told on them and THEY WILL, you better believe they will because they know things you don't even know and they will find you and they will get your account and they will take everything you have and then they will delete every character you ever made and played. So, it's best as it is in the real world to "mind your own business" and let Anet take care of their own. <grin>

i agree with this to some point although i am not too worried about my account being hacked. first they have to learn my email, then my password. not easy considering my gamer mail is unique. and my password is... difficult. ( and difficult is not my pw. lol)

Whisper Evenstar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

NYC

Governors Of Destruction [GOD]

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13 Mar 2008 at 16:02 - 76

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

irst they have to learn my email, then my password. not easy considering my gamer mail is unique. and my password is... difficult. ( and difficult is not my pw. lol)

/tries login = [email protected], password = d1ff1cult

Woo hoo - free account!

HuntMaster Avatar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

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13 Mar 2008 at 16:05 - 77

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whisper Evenstar

/tries login = [email protected], password = d1ff1cult

Woo hoo - free account!

lol. do i use gmail, or hotmail or yahoo or msn or aol? and if i wanted my password to be really hard i would set it to obvious.

my account is worth less than 300k. lol. and thats serious. i have no valuable items nor builds. but i still love it.

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

13 Mar 2008 at 16:13 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

cant even ask someone anything anymore because its always "look on wiki"

You're a needy little bugger if you think "look it up on GWW and GuildWiki" isn't a useful---possibly the most useful---answer and would rather have other players waste their time explaining well known things to you than do your own homework.

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

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13 Mar 2008 at 17:01 - 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esan

than do your own homework.

I disagree with what the quoted guy said, but I have to say that you're making a monumental confusion here: GW is a GAME, made for fun, not for "work". Competition should me friendly, not like for getting a grant or winning a trophy. (if people were to see that clearly and without a doubt, RMT and bots wouldn't exist because there wouldn't be enough greed to sustain it)

And no, the community is not as bad as it seems. Do not throw the baby out with the bath water!

phan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

phantasmagoria

13 Mar 2008 at 17:06 - 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malice Black

Got what you deserved, now less crying more playing...oh wait

Ghehe ; don't tease the man malice =)
He might whine some more xD