I notice that there is still no way to get into the Northland by oneself. I currently show on the Defender of Ascalon Title Track *Level 14/20*. I will not pay gate hookers for access to the enemy, nor should I have to. Once the title track is initiated then one should be able to go and speak to Gate Guard Torin and be allowed access if the character has no other players in their party.
Currently if a gate hooker charges 50g at 20 players go thru 14th and 15th levels only, then they will make over 300,000 gold. There is no reason for this to exist. There is no reason to have that kind of money in Pre. There is no storage. There should be no gate hookers whatsoever.
Again, Once a character has the title track active for LDoA then while alone they should be able to gain access to the Northland through dialogue with Gate Guard Torin.
Gate Guard Torin needs more options for LDoA
Fitz Rinley
the kurzick eater
/signed FINALLY a benefit for the title! 
Buddhaofwar
I kind of like the gate hookers, as it helps to spread the wealth in the pre economy. otherwise, its just the LDoA'ers who have the huge cash, and the rest of the ppl r begging for scraps.
you do have a good idea though for the actual title hunters.
/almost signed..but not.
you do have a good idea though for the actual title hunters.
/almost signed..but not.
Miska Bow
Lots of poeple have obtain the title without those changes your asking.
Those poeple your call hookers are the equivalent of runners in post. Just look for someone nice enough to open the gate for free. I,m sure you 'l find some if you dont call them that way.
/not signed
Those poeple your call hookers are the equivalent of runners in post. Just look for someone nice enough to open the gate for free. I,m sure you 'l find some if you dont call them that way.
/not signed
MagmaRed
There are ways to get into the Northlands without a gate hooker. Maybe you could explore those other options. The restricted access has nothing to do with LDoA. It has been there before the title was even a thought in some players mind, or Anets schedule book.
/unsigned
And I do not have LDoA, nor do I even have a Pre-searing character.
/unsigned
And I do not have LDoA, nor do I even have a Pre-searing character.
Bluefeather
Even if u are not seriously doing LDoA, you will know that one trip to the wall will bring you much more than 50g to pay for the gate monkeys.
So, i don't see any reason to make the entrance to the wall free.
So, i don't see any reason to make the entrance to the wall free.
Div
You do know that it takes ~2 minutes to take someone to open gate, which means in an hour they make...1500g. That's really not that much.
Alex the Great
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You do know that it takes ~2 minutes to take someone to open gate, which means in an hour they make...1500g. That's really not that much.
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ya, it's pretty terrible acctually. I only farma casually, and my best K/hour was 15 lol.
makosi
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You do know that it takes ~2 minutes to take someone to open gate, which means in an hour they make...1500g. That's really not that much.
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"Pls i need xp pls pls."
"I heal u ok???"
"why cant i join?"
/signed
Miska Bow
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It isn't all about the gold. There are a lot of idiots who are determined to stay with you even though you gave them their fee, to leech XP and loot at lvl2. XP is hard enough to come by when you're lvl 15+ and it's a waste of time when someone leeches half of it.
"Pls i need xp pls pls." "I heal u ok???" "why cant i join?" /signed |
Map out
12 char
MisterB
Pre-Searing is serious business. Srsly.
This really is not needed, and I hope ANet has better uses for their time.
Also, why should this only be available for level 14 and above? Why not everyone? Why should someone's title allow them any special advantage? Oh, wait.
This really is not needed, and I hope ANet has better uses for their time.
Also, why should this only be available for level 14 and above? Why not everyone? Why should someone's title allow them any special advantage? Oh, wait.
Rushin Roulette
Wow, being miserly about lousy 50g really is going to be hard to top in GWG from now on.
If you really want that Grindy AFK title, then be prepared to either;
get friendly with players to help you for free (enough new players play in pre-searing for you to ask)
or to do extremely long farming runs to collect the 50g for your gate openers if you dont get on with other normal players (10 minutes on the nice side of teh gate should do... or less than half a run on the "bad" side).
There are so many good sugestions out there, im afriad this is not one of them as it isnt worth the effort to change that part of the game because players not wanting to pay a pittance.
deffinitely /not signed
P.S. I dont have a perma-pre character, so im not posting this to make loads of money as a gatehooker/monkey/opener
If you really want that Grindy AFK title, then be prepared to either;
get friendly with players to help you for free (enough new players play in pre-searing for you to ask)
or to do extremely long farming runs to collect the 50g for your gate openers if you dont get on with other normal players (10 minutes on the nice side of teh gate should do... or less than half a run on the "bad" side).
There are so many good sugestions out there, im afriad this is not one of them as it isnt worth the effort to change that part of the game because players not wanting to pay a pittance.
deffinitely /not signed
P.S. I dont have a perma-pre character, so im not posting this to make loads of money as a gatehooker/monkey/opener
TaCktiX
I have a permapre character going for LDoA at present. He's at Level 17.24. I always try to pay the 50g to my gate monkeys. Why? I sell all my stuff from killing the DLevel (which is the lowest income you can get out of the Northlands when it comes to Charr), and still net 150-250g AFTER the gate monkey charge. It's sets of 50g I'm not particularly using. Heck, my armor is completely black and I own a Necrid Horseman.
So /notsigned, because /nopoint
So /notsigned, because /nopoint
Painbringer
I like being a gate monkey 50 gold a pop Im on my way to Obsidian Armor
Honestly = It is rather stupid and I do think you should explore alone
Honestly = It is rather stupid and I do think you should explore alone
Artorius.Maximus
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Those poeple your call hookers are the equivalent of runners in post.
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Also, prefer the term gate monkey.
Finally, I agree with OP. It isn't about the money, it is about taking the time to find someone to do it. (Not real big on the perma-pre thing either)
/signed
Loviatar
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you were bitching earlier about not being able to make money.
get rich this way and stop complaining about being poor.
safe fast only takes 2 minutes max
selfish to want everything free to lord it.
50 is nothing compared to the drops you get there.
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Currently if a gate hooker charges 50g at 20 players go thru 14th and 15th levels only, then they will make over 300,000 gold. There is no reason for this to exist. There is no reason to have that kind of money in Pre. There is no storage. There should be no gate hookers whatsoever.
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get rich this way and stop complaining about being poor.
safe fast only takes 2 minutes max
selfish to want everything free to lord it.
50 is nothing compared to the drops you get there.
beregond
/notsigned
Its just a business like running in post. I don't see why people shouldn't be able to make money off of it.
Its just a business like running in post. I don't see why people shouldn't be able to make money off of it.
Eldin
I forget - WHY is Torin too busy to walk 5 yards over to the lever for you?
Steboy93
/not signed
This doesn't seem a big deal enough to change.
This doesn't seem a big deal enough to change.
MithranArkanere
Maybe the Guard could allow to pass by talking to him if all party members have already beaten the "Across the Wall" quest.
The only other way to get there is by using a Birthday cupcake to run from the lever to the door.
The only other way to get there is by using a Birthday cupcake to run from the lever to the door.
Jetdoc
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Currently if a gate hooker charges 50g at 20 players go thru 14th and 15th levels only, then they will make over 300,000 gold. There is no reason for this to exist. There is no reason to have that kind of money in Pre. There is no storage. There should be no gate hookers whatsoever.
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phan
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There are ways to get into the Northlands without a gate hooker. Maybe you could explore those other options. The restricted access has nothing to do with LDoA. It has been there before the title was even a thought in some players mind, or Anets schedule book.
/unsigned And I do not have LDoA, nor do I even have a Pre-searing character. |
/signed x2 to undo this lad's vote ..
Darkobra
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Ohh my ; no there is not ; and if you don't have a ps char ; why do you bother posting in here ;
/signed x2 to undo this lad's vote .. |
/unsigned x10. Not only because I disagree with it, but to see how this unrolls if I try to pass off multiple "votes" in one post.
MagmaRed
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Ohh my ; no there is not ; and if you don't have a ps char ; why do you bother posting in here ;
/signed x2 to undo this lad's vote .. |
Maybe you just haven't considered making friends in Pre, and asking them. Maybe you haven't considered guild/alliance players helping. Maybe you haven't considered finding someone doing the quest, helping them complete it, then doing your death leveling run.
There are ways. 50g is not hard to make, even in Pre. However, you can get into the Northlands without paying someone to open the gate.
Sir Pandra Pierva
i dont do enough pre to know how to do that, but how does one get into the northlands without a cupcake or a gate monkey?
Fitz Rinley
First, in 14 levels I have earned about 12k. No, I did not earn it so I could throw it away on gate hookers. Yes, I find the ability to make money in legitimate ways in GW to be very limited, especially for initial characters. It is not even possible to earn gold as fast as skill points for purchasing skills.
Second, MagmaRed has always been terrified that someone might actually enjoy playing the game by playing instead of setting it to play and abandoning it for hours or days to death leveling. MagmaRed has always oposed anything that would make any part of the LDoA acquisition enjoyable play, so no opposition from MagmaRed at this point has any value to me. They are in the list of people whom I detest for their intense desire to control other people's lives and ensure immoral lessons are mandated in the game.
Third, there remains a difference between running which is a way players seek to get someplace they have not earned the right to be in order to access things they have not earned the right to access versus gate hooking. Gate hooking is based upon denying one's same side in the war access to the enemy. It is like charging our troops $50.00 before allowing them to go on patrol. It is like charging the bomb squad $50.00 before allowing them to search for and difuse a terrorist threat. It is like charging the police $50.00 before allowing them to enter a premises and rescue a spouse from abuse. There is a clear ethical distinction between the service of running and the exploitation of gate hooking.
I will occasionally assist new players. I even show them how to work in the Northlands, how to pull and pancake, and help them do the quest. All the persons in my alliance are in Post. While I have 2 accounts, I cannot pull up two GW games at the same time. I am not wealthy enough to have a second computer. So, the one way I could be self-sufficient is not possible or allowed. I will not pay a gate hooker for access to our enemies. It is immoral of any of them to even ask for money or aid and abet the enemy by refusing to allow fellow troops access to combat them.
I do not expect this to pass. But I will not cease to place it. Nor will my animosity for those who oppose it lesson until they work to get it passed. Once I have achieved the title, or should have if steps are taken to prevent it, I will declare it. And I will permanently and forever hold the immoral possitions of people like MagmaRed in mind. 3N = Never Forget, Never Forgive, Never Again.
Second, MagmaRed has always been terrified that someone might actually enjoy playing the game by playing instead of setting it to play and abandoning it for hours or days to death leveling. MagmaRed has always oposed anything that would make any part of the LDoA acquisition enjoyable play, so no opposition from MagmaRed at this point has any value to me. They are in the list of people whom I detest for their intense desire to control other people's lives and ensure immoral lessons are mandated in the game.
Third, there remains a difference between running which is a way players seek to get someplace they have not earned the right to be in order to access things they have not earned the right to access versus gate hooking. Gate hooking is based upon denying one's same side in the war access to the enemy. It is like charging our troops $50.00 before allowing them to go on patrol. It is like charging the bomb squad $50.00 before allowing them to search for and difuse a terrorist threat. It is like charging the police $50.00 before allowing them to enter a premises and rescue a spouse from abuse. There is a clear ethical distinction between the service of running and the exploitation of gate hooking.
I will occasionally assist new players. I even show them how to work in the Northlands, how to pull and pancake, and help them do the quest. All the persons in my alliance are in Post. While I have 2 accounts, I cannot pull up two GW games at the same time. I am not wealthy enough to have a second computer. So, the one way I could be self-sufficient is not possible or allowed. I will not pay a gate hooker for access to our enemies. It is immoral of any of them to even ask for money or aid and abet the enemy by refusing to allow fellow troops access to combat them.
I do not expect this to pass. But I will not cease to place it. Nor will my animosity for those who oppose it lesson until they work to get it passed. Once I have achieved the title, or should have if steps are taken to prevent it, I will declare it. And I will permanently and forever hold the immoral possitions of people like MagmaRed in mind. 3N = Never Forget, Never Forgive, Never Again.
I D E L E T E D I
/notsigned
it has always been like that and it should stay like that for nostalgic reasons
it has always been like that and it should stay like that for nostalgic reasons
Miska Bow
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First, in 14 levels I have earned about 12k. No, I did not earn it so I could throw it away on gate hookers. Yes, I find the ability to make money in legitimate ways in GW to be very limited, especially for initial characters. It is not even possible to earn gold as fast as skill points for purchasing skills.
Second, MagmaRed has always been terrified that someone might actually enjoy playing the game by playing instead of setting it to play and abandoning it for hours or days to death leveling. MagmaRed has always oposed anything that would make any part of the LDoA acquisition enjoyable play, so no opposition from MagmaRed at this point has any value to me. They are in the list of people whom I detest for their intense desire to control other people's lives and ensure immoral lessons are mandated in the game. Third, there remains a difference between running which is a way players seek to get someplace they have not earned the right to be in order to access things they have not earned the right to access versus gate hooking. Gate hooking is based upon denying one's same side in the war access to the enemy. It is like charging our troops $50.00 before allowing them to go on patrol. It is like charging the bomb squad $50.00 before allowing them to search for and difuse a terrorist threat. It is like charging the police $50.00 before allowing them to enter a premises and rescue a spouse from abuse. There is a clear ethical distinction between the service of running and the exploitation of gate hooking. I will occasionally assist new players. I even show them how to work in the Northlands, how to pull and pancake, and help them do the quest. All the persons in my alliance are in Post. While I have 2 accounts, I cannot pull up two GW games at the same time. I am not wealthy enough to have a second computer. So, the one way I could be self-sufficient is not possible or allowed. I will not pay a gate hooker for access to our enemies. It is immoral of any of them to even ask for money or aid and abet the enemy by refusing to allow fellow troops access to combat them. I do not expect this to pass. But I will not cease to place it. Nor will my animosity for those who oppose it lesson until they work to get it passed. Once I have achieved the title, or should have if steps are taken to prevent it, I will declare it. And I will permanently and forever hold the immoral possitions of people like MagmaRed in mind. 3N = Never Forget, Never Forgive, Never Again. |
"MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY" is /fail and will get you nowhere.
Receiving a moral lecture from someone who calls people "hookers" is priceless.
/still not signed.
Rushin Roulette
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It is like paying our troops $50.00 before they go on patrol. It is like paying the bomb squad $50.00 before they search for and diffuse a terrorist threat. It is like paying the police $50.00 before they enter a premises and rescue a spouse from abuse. There is a clear ethical distinction between the service of running and the exploitation of gate hooking.
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. Id like to add.Its like paying your hooker to open the gate before you can explore deeper into the badlands. (taking into context how you lovingly call them)
THEY are running a service... you either pay for it or you dont get it from them... easy as that.
Its just 50g FFS, if you want to compare them to runners in post. The prices are way lower, and not even comparable as for some runs are just as easy as this one.
Btw, about all the crap about them being patriotic and everything about enemies.... you really do seem to take this GAME far too serious. You may need to take a look at RL (disclamer: Rebirth has been nerfed to oblivion here... casting time is infinite and the results arent always perfect, dont try asking a monk for this)
Fitz Rinley
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"MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY" is /fail and will get you nowhere.
Receiving a moral lecture from someone who calls people "hookers" is priceless. /still not signed. |
Once my father was in an art show where he displayed a botanical illustration marked NFS (not for sale). A woman walked up with $100.00 bills wrapped so you could read the 100s all the way around the roll. She demanded,"Is the artist present?" My father said,"Yes." She stated,"I scoop out my living room every two years and redecorate it. This painting will be perfect with my new violet decor. How much is it?" My father stated,"It is not for sale." She responded,"Everyman has his price, how much is it young man." My father answered,"Madam, I don't care what house you are use to working This painting is Not for sale!" She did not get to buy the painting.
To clarify: There are those who are hookers, strumpets, RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs, queans, tarts, prostitutes, or whatever you want to call them, and there are those who are not. Hiding from the reality in some vague romance wording will not change the meaning and function of what they are.
Second, you are incorrect in your assessment of "My way or the highway." Good pseudo reasoning from someone wishing to deny moral value. It is the right way or you are wrong. Charging troops for access to the enemy is morally repugnant unless your intent is to undermine your efforts and aid and abet the enemy. So, there is either a system to provide access in the right way - or all those who undermine the effort of humans to defend themselves against an agressive enemy species are blood traitors. Doing so through coercion and the feigned provision of good service at a price only adds seasoning to the criminal act.
Rushin Roulette, your changes are inaccurate. The money is not payed before the enter, which implies they could enter without paying. The circumstances are that in real life these things are immoral and therefore prevented. But in the game no proper and just social context is considered. What is being paid for is the access - hence allowed passage - not an entry that is otherwise accessible. If this was something that a person could readily do on their own, then it would be a service - not coercive blackmail aimed at withholding accomplishment unless one caves in to the coercion. Your implication is that one can simply enter the northlands without the service. This is not so. The wording I used shows the exact ludicrousness of the immoral act.
Miska Bow
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JP Morgan was once asked why he thought money so important by a reporter. He responded, "Would you sleep with me for $1,000,000.00?" The reporter said, "Why, yes." Morgan then countered, "Well, how about $50.00?" She said,"Certainly not, what do you think I am?" Morgan concluded,"We have already established that. We are now only haggling over price."
Once my father was in an art show where he displayed a botanical illustration marked NFS (not for sale). A woman walked up with $100.00 bills wrapped so you could read the 100s all the way around the roll. She demanded,"Is the artist present?" My father said,"Yes." She stated,"I scoop out my living room every two years and redecorate it. This painting will be perfect with my new violet decor. How much is it?" My father stated,"It is not for sale." She responded,"Everyman has his price, how much is it young man." My father answered,"Madam, I don't care what house you are use to working This painting is Not for sale!" She did not get to buy the painting. To clarify: There are those who are hookers, strumpets, RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs, queans, tarts, prostitutes, or whatever you want to call them, and there are those who are not. Hiding from the reality in some vague romance wording will not change the meaning and function of what they are. Second, you are incorrect in your assessment of "My way or the highway." Good pseudo reasoning from someone wishing to deny moral value. It is the right way or you are wrong. Charging troops for access to the enemy is morally repugnant unless your intent is to undermine your efforts and aid and abet the enemy. So, there is either a system to provide access in the right way - or all those who undermine the effort of humans to defend themselves against an agressive enemy species are blood traitors. Doing so through coercion and the feigned provision of good service at a price only adds seasoning to the criminal act. Rushin Roulette, your changes are inaccurate. The money is not payed before the enter, which implies they could enter without paying. The circumstances are that in real life these things are immoral and therefore prevented. But in the game no proper and just social context is considered. What is being paid for is the access - hence allowed passage - not an entry that is otherwise accessible. If this was something that a person could readily do on their own, then it would be a service - not coercive blackmail aimed at withholding accomplishment unless one caves in to the coercion. Your implication is that one can simply enter the northlands without the service. This is not so. The wording I used shows the exact ludicrousness of the immoral act. |
I stayed in Pre till i was lvl 16. Never paid anyone to open the gate and never spent days waiting for someone to open it for me. I also opened it for free to a lot of people.
Maybe making friends with people with the same goal as you will help it this matter, as they can do it for you if you do it for them.
Some people posted some real nice and easy suggestions to get in there without having to pay, but you just dont seem to want that.
MagmaRed
Maybe you missed where I said you can enter Northlands without paying someone to open the gate? Make a friend, as there are MANY perma-Pre characters. If nobody in your guild/alliance is in Pre, find someone who is, and make friends with them. OR... go forbid, you find someone who has the quest and wants to do it. It has been a long time since I was in Pre, but the last time I was there was after Faction was released, and there were tons of people looking for a partner for that quest.
There are moral people who play the game. Besides you. You may find that if you take the time, you'll find one of them, and they can help you out. Otherwise, learn that this is a game, and your treating it like real life.
Do continue you to ignore me though, as I am offering ideas that are available that you apparently don't know about. If you do know about them, you are an idiot for not using them.
There are moral people who play the game. Besides you. You may find that if you take the time, you'll find one of them, and they can help you out. Otherwise, learn that this is a game, and your treating it like real life.
Do continue you to ignore me though, as I am offering ideas that are available that you apparently don't know about. If you do know about them, you are an idiot for not using them.
Kiasyd117
People are really that bitter over 50g for a level pull?
truely sad, even a complete tool can make the 50g back + more in Northlands.
/notsigned
truely sad, even a complete tool can make the 50g back + more in Northlands.
/notsigned
Arch the
They key to gate hookers???? MAKE FRIENDS!! like come on people there is lots of people in A.City. Open gates for higher lvl people and don't charge them....do this for a few people and bam.....most likely they will open for you when needed. The key is return the favour.
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Fitz Rinley
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And the "right way" would be your way, right ?
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Ethical relativity is and always has been a falsehood. Ethical perspective may be relative but what is ethical is not. Hence, what is ethical, which is pre-existent as ethical, is also provable and grants the illusion of post-priori value. However, it is not now nor will it ever be relative. Right remains right.
MagmaRed
Fitz, are you ALWAYS right? Some people have yet to learn what right is, and some willingly choose to do wrong. However, many people disagree on what right is.
Who made you the one to decide what is and isn't right?
And how would finding a person to help you be wrong? Maybe you just like to ingore solutions that prevent you from crying?
Who made you the one to decide what is and isn't right?
And how would finding a person to help you be wrong? Maybe you just like to ingore solutions that prevent you from crying?
Miska Bow
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No, the right way is the right way. The right thing for the right reasons. However, in an age when people are tought that any and all forms of discernment are bad becasue they lead to choosing right behavior, and right behaviors must be bad because they do not allow someone to do anything they want at anytime without consideration of the effects, ramifications, or ultimate costs - I can understand the confusion caused by this liberal affliction. I am not subject to it.
Ethical relativity is and always has been a falsehood. Ethical perspective may be relative but what is ethical is not. Hence, what is ethical, which is pre-existent as ethical, is also provable and grants the illusion of post-priori value. However, it is not now nor will it ever be relative. Right remains right. |
In pre there are 2 quest to teach new players how to party and play with other players.
1-Adventure with an Ally. Teaches you how to party.
2-Across the Wall. Allows the new players to interact with other player while doing quests, therefore learning a bit about team strategies and synergy.
Now what is the "right thing"? Denying all new players of this opportunity to learn, or suiting your little needs ?
That my friend, is exactly what your asking for and its the reason why it should not be change.
Its a wonder how a so well articulate and analytical person like you did not think of it.
MithranArkanere
Then again, in many, many parts of the game there are NPCs that let you in ONCE something has been made, never before.
So, if you make the NPC require to have BOTH quests made in order to enter alone the Northlands, you don't take anything from anyone.
So, if you make the NPC require to have BOTH quests made in order to enter alone the Northlands, you don't take anything from anyone.
Tearz1993
Looking past the crying in this thread, the only valid point for being able to get in to the Northlands by yourself is the hassle of getting a second person.
Still, /notsigned because ANet should focus on more important issues.
Still, /notsigned because ANet should focus on more important issues.
genofreek
Oh, I just love the recurring Fitz AFKer of Ascalon threads. 
/notsigned. Using your sex analogy... pay for a hooker or get yourself a girlfriend.
/notsigned. Using your sex analogy... pay for a hooker or get yourself a girlfriend.