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ShadowsRequiem

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13 Mar 2008 at 16:38 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firefly21

Warrior
Axe Mastery
[skill]Penetrating Blow[/skill] & [skill]Penetrating Chop[/skill] (Both really the same skill, and there are better damage attacks out there.)
[skill]Whirling Axe[/skill] (Never seen anyone use…)
Hammer Mastery
[skill]Enraged Smash[/skill] (Never seen anyone use… Kind of sucks...)
[skill]Overbearing Smash[/skill] (Never seen anyone use… I think it cost too much adrenaline)
[skill]Staggering Blow[/skill] (Another Hammer attack that gives weakness… also it cost six adrenaline….)
Strength
"I Meant to Do That!" (Never seen anyone use it)
[skill]"You Will Die!"[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it)
[skill]Battle Rage[/skill] (I think it just sucks)
[skill]Charging Strike[/skill] (Never seen anyone use)
[skill]Flail[/skill] (Never seen anyone use)
[skill]Headbutt[/skill] (What kind of shitty elite is this! I wouldn’t use it even if it wasn’t an elite!)
[skill]Rage of the Ntouka[/skill] (Never seen anyone use)
Swordsmanship
[skill]Quivering Blade[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it)
Tactics
[skill]"Retreat!"[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]Auspicious Parry[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]Deflect Arrows[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]Disciplined Stance[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]"On Your Knees!"[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]"You're All Alone!"[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]Frenzied Defense[/skill] (Everyone seem to just use Frenzy)
[skill]Skull Crack[/skill] (Never used, I think it cost too much adrenaline)
Allegiance Rank
"Save Yourselves!" (Cost too much adrenaline and doesn't last very long)

This is all just for the warrior I didn’t feel like making a list for the other classes…

I vote you have no idea wtf you're talking about ^^

Sir Tidus

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2008

13 Mar 2008 at 16:40 - 42

Wary Stance is horrible.

I pwnd U

God of Spammers

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Scars Meadows [SMS] (Officer)

13 Mar 2008 at 16:46 - 43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firefly21

Warrior
Axe Mastery
[skill]Penetrating Blow[/skill] & [skill]Penetrating Chop[/skill] (Both really the same skill, and there are better damage attacks out there.)
[skill]Whirling Axe[/skill] (Never seen anyone use…)
Hammer Mastery
[skill]Enraged Smash[/skill] (Never seen anyone use… Kind of sucks...)
[skill]Overbearing Smash[/skill] (Never seen anyone use… I think it cost too much adrenaline)
[skill]Staggering Blow[/skill] (Another Hammer attack that gives weakness… also it cost six adrenaline….)
Strength
"I Meant to Do That!" (Never seen anyone use it)
[skill]"You Will Die!"[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it)
[skill]Battle Rage[/skill] (I think it just sucks)
[skill]Charging Strike[/skill] (Never seen anyone use)
[skill]Flail[/skill] (Never seen anyone use)
[skill]Headbutt[/skill] (What kind of shitty elite is this! I wouldn’t use it even if it wasn’t an elite!)
[skill]Rage of the Ntouka[/skill] (Never seen anyone use)
Swordsmanship
[skill]Quivering Blade[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it)
Tactics
[skill]"Retreat!"[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]Auspicious Parry[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]Deflect Arrows[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]Disciplined Stance[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]"On Your Knees!"[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]"You're All Alone!"[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]Frenzied Defense[/skill] (Everyone seem to just use Frenzy)
[skill]Skull Crack[/skill] (Never used, I think it cost too much adrenaline)
Allegiance Rank
"Save Yourselves!" (Cost too much adrenaline and doesn't last very long)

This is all just for the warrior I didn’t feel like making a list for the other classes…

Please, less fail. Flail is extremely popular in PvE. As is Save Yourself, heck most of the skills you listed are popular in PvE and sometimes in PvP as well. Save yourself... really? No one uses it? Bad skill because it takes up alot of adrenaline??? Oh geez... FGJ+DSlash+Save Yourself=PvE ownage

Flem

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13 Mar 2008 at 16:50 - 44

I think thread proves that GW is all about build opinion. Every skill can be used if you get creative with it.

HuntMaster Avatar

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13 Mar 2008 at 16:55 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDL

[skill]Wastrel's Collapse[/skill]?

lmao, omg wtf, thats like some meta build skillage right there. yes i think for the most part that skill is completely useless. Nice find!

XiaoTheBlade

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13 Mar 2008 at 17:35 - 46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firefly21

Strength
[skill]Flail[/skill] (Never seen anyone use)
[skill]Headbutt[/skill] (What kind of shitty elite is this! I wouldn’t use it even if it wasn’t an elite!)
[skill]Rage of the Ntouka[/skill] (Never seen anyone use)
Swordsmanship
[skill]Quivering Blade[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it)
Tactics
[skill]Auspicious Parry[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]Disciplined Stance[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]"On Your Knees!"[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]"You're All Alone!"[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]Frenzied Defense[/skill] (Everyone seem to just use Frenzy)
[skill]Skull Crack[/skill] (Never used, I think it cost too much adrenaline)
Allegiance Rank
"Save Yourselves!" (Cost too much adrenaline and doesn't last very long)

This is all just for the warrior I didn’t feel like making a list for the other classes…

I've removed the ones I agree with, but can you tell me how You're All Alone isn't used? And almost every paragon and some warriors run Save Yourselves in pve. Disciplined Stance is used on a few monk bars. Flail is the best IAS for a hammer warrior. And Headbutt is a great skill if used correctly, (w/n) but there are other better elites.

360??

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13 Mar 2008 at 17:43 - 47

Ether renewal. Mending. 'nuff said,

GloryFox

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13 Mar 2008 at 17:47 - 48

@Firefly21

Auspicious Perry is one of the best ELITES I've found in the game. Use it with Riposte and Deadly Riposte. I've soloed Aataxe using this tactic and it works quite well.

I don't have time to go over the other skills but you obviously have a poor selection in PvE understanding as all of these tactic skills are very usable.

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

13 Mar 2008 at 18:06 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flem

As stated earlier, pretty much all skills have a use. It's your job to find it.

And as said before- many skills are useless.
Unless of course you can find a good use for Wastrel's Collapse, for example.

Cale Roughstar

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Canada

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13 Mar 2008 at 18:10 - 50

[card]Balthazar's Pendulum[/card]
I have NEVER seen anyone use this.

[card]Keystone Signet[/card]
LAME

[card]Greater Conflagration[/card]
Does anyone actually use this?

[card]Healer's Covenant[/card]
lolwut?

[card]Extend Conditions[/card]
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[card]Tease[/card]
Maybe useful against an ele, but most people know how to wand right?

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Otyugh%27s_Cry
No comment

Just to name a few...

street peddler

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

13 Mar 2008 at 18:11 - 51

wastrels could be used in the assacaster build, though i dont think it beats SoJ's on demand knockdown.

Velise_Snowtorm

Lion's Arch Merchant

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Forever Knights

13 Mar 2008 at 18:13 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kusandaa

and Peace and Harmony has one and only one purpose to me: Foundry 3-man HM farming (famine/QZ/EOE ranger, 600 monk and... Peace and Harmony smiter).

Wow, there actually is a use for PnH in a team build? I might have to try that farm just to actually use that skill!

You know what elite I've never, ever used after capping? Amity. I think I might be able to use it to film some game movies or something though.

IslandHermet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

13 Mar 2008 at 18:16 - 53

Quote:

=Noel Hope[skill]infuse health[/skill]

Did I forget to mention Ursan Blessing? *cough* ;p

.......?????? infuse lol so i take it you dont like a mass heal enought to take you from 1 health to full in 10 energy????

Tarkin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

W/N

13 Mar 2008 at 18:17 - 54

1 - In guildwars you have pve must have skills (i not talking abou pve only skills), this skills dont work agaisnt humans in pvp, and you have pvp good skills that just dont work in pve... if you play only pve dont blame all skills, if you play only pvp dont blame all skills...

2 - You can use useless skills to trigger a skill combo chain, some useless skill are cheap or have a fast cast or a long hex for cheap atribute points waste...
i think some skills are just to trigger combos...

95% of useless skill here have some good use, if you kown the mechanics and how made your owns builds.

about the OP question

[skill]Wastrel's Collapse[/skill]

you can mix this skill with... [skill]soul barbs[/skill] + [skill]Recurring Insecurity[/skill] this a wonderfull armor ignore damage source, in some cases the area, quest or mission is easy but the boss is hard like rotscale, Wastrel's Collapse is a cheap fast recharge hex... you can use it...

But i agree... Wastrel's Collapse is the worst skill in the game... if you dont combo it with something else... useless at max

Bale_Shadowscar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Manchester, England

New Dragons [NDR]

13 Mar 2008 at 18:26 - 55

Since you can't have 2 elites on one bar, that combo above is pretty void. There are plenty of 'cheap fast recharge hex' that you can carry yourself in addition to Reccurring insecurity.

No need to bring someone else along AND have them waste their elite slot.

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

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13 Mar 2008 at 18:27 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cale Roughstar

[card]Healer's Covenant[/card]
lolwut?

Used heavily in arenas.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

Wary Stance is horrible

I like when sins refill my energy.

N1ghtstalker

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2007

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13 Mar 2008 at 18:29 - 57

auspicious parry is great for pvp
war v war can go great with riposting
ppl pls
if you don't know anything about the skills you're talking about then don't
some "worthless" skills are of great tactical use in combo's with others

Tarkin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

W/N

13 Mar 2008 at 18:36 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cale Roughstar

[card]Balthazar's Pendulum[/card]
I have NEVER seen anyone use this.

Agree weak skill

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cale Roughstar

[card]Keystone Signet[/card]
LAME

Disagree you can run a support build with enchants and signets only

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cale Roughstar

[card]Greater Conflagration[/card]
Does anyone actually use this?

[skill]Mantra of Flame[/skill]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cale Roughstar

[card]Healer's Covenant[/card]
lolwut?

[card]Healer's Covenant[/card] + [skill]Arcane Mimicry[/skill] + [skill]Healer's Boon[/skill]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cale Roughstar

[card]Extend Conditions[/card]
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[skill]Hypochondria[/skill] + [card]Extend Conditions[/card] + [skill]Epidemic[/skill]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cale Roughstar

[card]Tease[/card]
Maybe useful against an ele, but most people know how to wand right?

hum good skill against a foe you cant interupt... its a skill for pve only...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cale Roughstar

[skill]Otyugh's Cry[/skill]
No comment

Just to name a few...

Some rangers ppls love yours companion...

Nothing personal cale, i only agree with some skills and disagree with others...

FengShuiDove

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Join Date: Sep 2007

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13 Mar 2008 at 18:36 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarkin

[skill]Wastrel's Collapse[/skill]

you can mix this skill with... [skill]soul barbs[/skill] + [skill]Recurring Insecurity[/skill] this a wonderfull armor ignore damage source, in some cases the area, quest or mission is easy but the boss is hard like rotscale, Wastrel's Collapse is a cheap fast recharge hex... you can use it...

But i agree... Wastrel's Collapse is the worst skill in the game... if you dont combo it with something else... useless at max

Yeah, that'd work great with my build where I use two elites too. My all time favorite has to be my Mo/Me/E/P with

[skill]Mantra of Recovery[/skill][skill]Word of Healing[/skill][skill]Mist Form[/skill][skill]Obsidian Flesh[/skill][skill]Zealous Benediction[/skill][skill]Glyph of Energy[/skill][skill]Defensive Anthem[/skill][skill]Song of Restoration[/skill][skill]"We Shall Return!"[/skill][skill]Signet of Return[/skill]

Decent bar for RA.

Seriously though, [skill]"Incoming!"[/skill] is an elite that is easily outgunned by many Prot skills. Also, [skill]"The Power is Yours!"[/skill] is... just terrible. A BiP/BR Necro can run part Blood Spike part battery and walk all over a TPiY? Paragon in any setting.

Wastrel's Collapse sucks, Locust's Fury, even though for some reason everyone wants it to be good.

FengShuiDove

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13 Mar 2008 at 18:38 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarkin

[card]Healer's Covenant[/card] + [skill]Arcane Mimicry[/skill] + [skill]Healer's Boon[/skill]

See above post.

wanmoke

Frost Gate Guardian

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Wind Riders

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13 Mar 2008 at 18:43 - 61

Quote:

Originally Posted by FengShuiDove

See above post.

Um, what he's implying is that you use Arcane Mimicry to borrow the elite from a second person. It's a use.

street peddler

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

13 Mar 2008 at 18:45 - 62

read the description for arcane mimicry

I pwnd U

God of Spammers

Join Date: Oct 2005

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Scars Meadows [SMS] (Officer)

13 Mar 2008 at 18:45 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarkin

[card]Healer's Covenant[/card] + [skill]Arcane Mimicry[/skill] + [skill]Healer's Boon[/skill]

I think he meant [skill]Divine Boon[/skill], not Healer's Boon. Atleast I hope so... gonna give him the benefit of the doubt.

^Above post, ya that could be too IF you are lucky enough to hit someone that has HB on their bar. Which in PvP you just might be.

FengShuiDove

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13 Mar 2008 at 18:47 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by wanmoke

Um, what he's implying is that you use Arcane Mimicry to borrow the elite from a second person. It's a use.

On his A/N/Me, right?

Wastrel's + Barbs + Mimicry.

Regulus X

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13 Mar 2008 at 18:47 - 65

Worthless Skillz:

Wastrel's Collapse
LoD (nowadays)
Watch Yourself (Nowadays)
Shroud Of Silence (Should be demoted to regular skill...)
Amity (just... LoL)
Fear Me (nowadays)
Incoming (no point...)
The Power Is Yours (when good-ool' capt. /phailed to handle somethin'... he said this... o_o)
Shadow Prison (too many other effective non-elite snares out there)
Black Lotus Strike (no point... as it was initially meant to sync with SP)
Fox Fangs (Wild Strike FTW)
...erg- ...ack! *OVERLOAD! EXCESSIVE DATA SUBMITTED!*

Tarkin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

W/N

13 Mar 2008 at 18:50 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by FengShuiDove

Yeah, that'd work great with my build where I use two elites too. My all time favorite has to be my Mo/Me/E/P with

This a team build you will stolen the second elite from a hero ou ally.

Hailey Anne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

A/E

13 Mar 2008 at 18:53 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Kal

Headbutt

This is actually a very good skill if used right.
W/N HB + Plague Touch ftw

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firefly21

[skill]Charging Strike[/skill] (Never seen anyone use)
[skill]Flail[/skill] (Never seen anyone use)
[skill]Headbutt[/skill] (What kind of shitty elite is this! I wouldn’t use it even if it wasn’t an elite!)
[skill]Auspicious Parry[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]"You're All Alone!"[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]Frenzied Defense[/skill] (Everyone seem to just use Frenzy)

As for headbutt read above.
the rest are used alot in FA.
Charging Strike is a very good run skill for a war.
Frenzied is used by alot of luxon monks in FA.

Tarkin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

W/N

13 Mar 2008 at 18:57 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by I pwnd U

I think he meant [skill]Divine Boon[/skill], not Healer's Boon. Atleast I hope so... gonna give him the benefit of the doubt.

^Above post, ya that could be too IF you are lucky enough to hit someone that has HB on their bar. Which in PvP you just might be.

You will stolen it from a hero or from a human aly...

Its a team build not a solo build...

[skill]Healer's Boon[/skill]+ [skill]Arcane Mimicry[/skill] [skill]Light of Deliverance[/skill] is a popular build in doa these days...

FengShuiDove

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13 Mar 2008 at 18:59 - 69

I'm gonna resist the urge to flame your post where you felt it necessary to insert 18 "LOLs" into the mix, and 8 "s" on the end of "it's."

At any rate, the reason skills are useless is because there are better things out there. The main reason Wastrel's fails is its long inactive time before it takes effect, making it easy to remove. Also, the conditional removal is ridiculously easy to obtain, unless the skill description doesn't reflect its functionality. A build around one skill that fails quite easily is a terrible team build.

As for the two monk elites, that's fine, sorry for the misinterpretation.

Eldin

Forge Runner

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Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

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13 Mar 2008 at 19:01 - 70

[skill]Illusion of Haste[/skill]
Self-explanatory.

enter_the_zone

Jungle Guide

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13 Mar 2008 at 19:05 - 71

I really can't believe how many people in this thread don't understand the operation of Arcane Mimicry. It's in the bloody skill description.

Read more, stupid comments less, maybe your posts will actually make you look like something other than a total idiot.

On Topic

Divine Boon is a candidate for least used skill, nowadays.

Illusion of haste is a good speed boost (33% non-ranger skills are rare) for PVE, which also clears crippled and can be kept up permanently. Only good for running in places with a lot of stop spots though.

Coraline Jones

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Modified Soul Society

Mo/R

13 Mar 2008 at 19:07 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarkin

[skill]Wastrel's Collapse[/skill]

you can mix this skill with... [skill]soul barbs[/skill] + [skill]Recurring Insecurity[/skill] this a wonderfull armor ignore damage source, in some cases the area, quest or mission is easy but the boss is hard like rotscale, Wastrel's Collapse is a cheap fast recharge hex... you can use it...

But i agree... Wastrel's Collapse is the worst skill in the game... if you dont combo it with something else... useless at max

I don't understand how wasting an Elite Slot just so you can apply a cheap hex that does nothing but a delayed knockdown is worth combining it with Soul Barbs and/or Recurring Insecurity. The hex also ends without a knockdown if the target uses any skill, meaning that you would have to come up with a really brilliant plan for the monster/player to not use their skill bar.

Even if you could run that build, you are listing skills from three different professions, meaning that somebody else in your party must carry the Elite Recurring Insecurity. This means that your build is dependent on somebody else's skill bar, and you have to work with tandem with them or the whole skill is pointless. I don't think that's exactly what I call synergy, just poor strategy. You might be able to get away with this build in PvE Normal Mode, but anywhere else will certainly be a failure.

I really don't understand the purpose of Wastrel's Collapse at all. For knockdowns, you would think that something like a Hammer Warrior would do better. But ArenaNet must have feared its almighty power, for they created another (worthless) Elite, Balthazar's Pendulum, to counter it.

=====

This thread is really amazing. People talk about trash skills, and there are a lot, but then people just give knee-jerk reactions like Mending. Yes, Mending is a totally worthless skill if you're seriously going for a self-heal.

But in certain situations it is somewhat useful. For instance, if you want to get a cheesy win in the Assault on the Stronghold mission in Hard Mode (or Normal Mode, but it's severe overkill) just slap on Life Bond, Life Barrier, and/or Watchful Spirit on the Armored Saurus. Then you throw Mending as a cover enchant.

With this combination, you can pretty much let the dinosaur fend for itself, and it will knock down the door on the first attempt and probably stay alive for the majority of the battle until you get tired of maintaining the enchants.

Now some really terrible skills that nobody can use would be like Amity. That skill doesn't even make a lot of sense. It is so hard to use anywhere except in some kind of gimmick or joke build.

Tarkin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

W/N

13 Mar 2008 at 19:09 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by FengShuiDove

I'm gonna resist the urge to flame your post where you felt it necessary to insert 18 "LOLs" into the mix, and 8 "s" on the end of "it's."

At any rate, the reason skills are useless is because there are better things out there. The main reason Wastrel's fails is its long inactive time before it takes effect, making it easy to remove. Also, the conditional removal is ridiculously easy to obtain, unless the skill description doesn't reflect its functionality. A build around one skill that fails quite easily is a terrible team build.

As for the two monk elites, that's fine, sorry for the misinterpretation.

1

2 sorry my bad english

3 Wastrel's, agree its a bad skill... the worst in the game...

4 what make Wastrel's bad make its good for the combo because if foe strip it before time over he will get the damage faster...

5 again if you mix it with others skill you can make a good combo to kill... abaddon 3 necros or mesmer with hexs and soul barbs can kill him very fast to get HM reward...

6 in some special cases you can make a team build over a simple skill if its work and make job fast or easyer

7 sorry about the LOLs

cosyfiep

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13 Mar 2008 at 19:10 - 74

I think for many of the elites the ONLY time I used them was when I capped them---extend conditions was funny, martyr...welll uhm I think the warrior had more health than me......'cosyfiep is dead!"...rez??
boon signet...never did prot so I have never used it.
trappers focus....uhm, usually when I trap there is nothing around.
reclaim essence.... it costs me 5 energy to gain 5 energy...what??

Now I use clamor of souls (its my lady rits favorite elite actually...since most rit elties are useless).

and the worst elite---lightbringer signet...has anyone used this????

enter_the_zone

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2007

R/

13 Mar 2008 at 19:12 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosyfiep

I think for many of the elites the ONLY time I used them was when I capped them---extend conditions was funny, martyr...welll uhm I think the warrior had more health than me......'cosyfiep is dead!"...rez??
boon signet...never did prot so I have never used it.
trappers focus....uhm, usually when I trap there is nothing around.
reclaim essence.... it costs me 5 energy to gain 5 energy...what??

Now I use clamor of souls (its my lady rits favorite elite actually...since most rit elties are useless).

and the worst elite---lightbringer signet...has anyone used this????

Good call, I've never seen anyone using this.

Alex the Great

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13 Mar 2008 at 19:15 - 76

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firefly21

Warrior

Strength

[skill]Charging Strike[/skill] (Never seen anyone use)
[skill]Flail[/skill] (Never seen anyone use)

Swordsmanship
[skill]Quivering Blade[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it)

Tactics
[skill]"You're All Alone!"[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)

Allegiance Rank
"Save Yourselves!" (Cost too much adrenaline and doesn't last very long)

This is all just for the warrior I didn’t feel like making a list for the other classes…

dude, have you ever ecen played guild wars?? i edited out the bad skills from your list, but u put some good ones on.

Noel Hope

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

America

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13 Mar 2008 at 19:16 - 77

Lol, I can't believe how many people are defending infuse health!

Using it in general PVE is a terrible idea. A monk's primary concern must be their own health. If you can't keep yourself alive, you will not be able to heal your party members. Slashing your own HP in order to heal another teammate is, on all accounts, stupid.

There are plenty of other big heals out there that won't slash your own HP. Take for example WoH and Heal Other. In addition, Infuse Health has high energy cost in comparison to most other healing skills (most are 5). In addition, you'll need to spend extra energy, directly after using infuse health, in order to heal yourself.

If you are willing to spend 10 energy on a big healing skill, I suggest using
[skill]heal other[/skill].

Perhaps infuse health could be use as an act of desperation, a last resort type of skill, but when you have skills such as WoH and Heal other, it becomes useless and risky to use.

Tarkin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

W/N

13 Mar 2008 at 19:16 - 78

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Originally Posted by Coraline Jones

I don't understand how wasting an Elite Slot just so you can apply a cheap hex that does nothing but a delayed knockdown is worth combining it with Soul Barbs and/or Recurring Insecurity. The hex also ends without a knockdown if the target uses any skill, meaning that you would have to come up with a really brilliant plan for the monster/player to not use their skill bar.

Even if you could run that build, you are listing skills from three different professions, meaning that somebody else in your party must carry the Elite Recurring Insecurity. This means that your build is dependent on somebody else's skill bar, and you have to work with tandem with them or the whole skill is pointless. I don't think that's exactly what I call synergy, just poor strategy. You might be able to get away with this build in PvE Normal Mode, but anywhere else will certainly be a failure.

I really don't understand the purpose of Wastrel's Collapse at all. For knockdowns, you would think that something like a Hammer Warrior would do better. But ArenaNet must have feared its almighty power, for they created another (worthless) Elite, Balthazar's Pendulum, to counter it.

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This thread is really amazing. People talk about trash skills, and there are a lot, but then people just give knee-jerk reactions like Mending. Yes, Mending is a totally worthless skill if you're seriously going for a self-heal.

But in certain situations it is somewhat useful. For instance, if you want to get a cheesy win in the Assault on the Stronghold mission in Hard Mode (or Normal Mode, but it's severe overkill) just slap on Life Bond, Life Barrier, and/or Watchful Spirit on the Armored Saurus. Then you throw Mending as a cover enchant.

With this combination, you can pretty much let the dinosaur fend for itself, and it will knock down the door on the first attempt and probably stay alive for the majority of the battle until you get tired of maintaining the enchants.

Now some really terrible skills that nobody can use would be like Amity. That skill doesn't even make a lot of sense. It is so hard to use anywhere except in some kind of gimmick or joke build.

... Some time ago making missions in hard mode to get the title... i ask in ally channel... someone want to do abbadons in hard mode? i just ask to help someone else.. i can kill abaddon in hard mode alone with henchs and get masters... ok 3 allys say i want i want... what i get? 2 necros and 1 mesmers... well how we can kill abaddon with it? soul barbs...
i made 3 builds with only cheap hexes and we kill him very fast...

see what i talking about? in some case some useless skills have use to kill something... its not a regular build.. a popular build.. its just a build to use in a special event... and finish i never use this build again...

I pwnd U

God of Spammers

Join Date: Oct 2005

in the middle of a burning cornfield...

Scars Meadows [SMS] (Officer)

13 Mar 2008 at 19:21 - 79

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Originally Posted by Tarkin

You will stolen it from a hero or from a human aly...

Its a team build not a solo build...

[skill]Healer's Boon[/skill]+ [skill]Arcane Mimicry[/skill] [skill]Light of Deliverance[/skill] is a popular build in doa these days...

Ya, my eyes showed me enemy instead of ally. Just a simple misread on my part.

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Originally Posted by Noel Hope

Lol, I can't believe how many people are defending infuse health!

Using it in general PVE is a terrible idea. A monk's primary concern must be their own health. If you can't keep yourself alive, you will not be able to heal your party members. Slashing your own HP in order to heal another teammate is, on all accounts, stupid.

There are plenty of other big heals out there that won't slash your own HP. Take for example WoH and Heal Other. In addition, Infuse Health has high energy cost in comparison to most other healing skills (most are 5). In addition, you'll need to spend extra energy, directly after using infuse health, in order to heal yourself.

If you are willing to spend 10 energy on a big healing skill, I suggest using
[skill]Heal Other[/skill].

Perhaps infuse health could be use as an act of desperation, a last resort type of skill, but when you have skills such as WoH and Heal other, it becomes useless and risky to use.

[skill]Infuse Health[/skill]>[skill]Heal Other[/skill] in PvP. Infuse health's 1/4sec cast time is usually the difference between someone dying from a spike and someone living. The ability to be able to get off a heal that quickly in PvP is pretty vital. 3/4 of a second isn't much more but it could mean everything between a teammate dying and you catching the spike. Infuse is a good PvP skill for that reason.

Noel Hope

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

America

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Mo/

13 Mar 2008 at 19:38 - 80

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Originally Posted by I pwnd U

[skill]Infuse Health[/skill]>[skill]Heal Other[/skill] in PvP. Infuse health's 1/4sec cast time is usually the difference between someone dying from a spike and someone living. The ability to be able to get off a heal that quickly in PvP is pretty vital. 3/4 of a second isn't much more but it could mean everything between a teammate dying and you catching the spike. Infuse is a good PvP skill for that reason.

I see! I'm defending that infuse health is a terrible skill for PvE

I am not at all a PvP buff, I'm afraid I don't know much about it.
Thanks for the clarification about it's use in PvP, I learned something new today.