Retire certain item skins?

turnkey1970

turnkey1970

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

FotS

W/Mo

Sorry if this idea has been brought forward before but I was thinking. Just like all types of collectables; Precious Moments dolls Disney movies, etc., it would be interesting if Anet started to "retire" certain skins. Let's say they retire the Elemental Sword. I chose that particular one because it jumps out as the current one that has plummented in price due to farming. The price will start to rise again for those holding onto a few. Others will have been customized, merched or salvaged. It would also be interesting as players tried to determine what would be next on the "retirement" list.

Well, let's see if the flames come out or if it sounds interesting to the rest of you.

Artorius.Maximus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

Rising Rebellion

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If I were to retire some items, I think I would start with the storm bow, fellblade, etc (things that are considered old school items).

Overall though, I wouldn't retire anything.

genofreek

genofreek

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

USA

Jenova's Apocolyptic Remains [JAR]

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Oh man, while I don't have a problem with the concept, let's not make that Playskool-lookin' thing any more sought after than it already is.

Zydonis

Zydonis

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2007

USA

Loners United [CULT]

R/

I like the idea, think it would help the PvE side of the game quite a bit. Also agree with genofreek.

AbalaDoon

AbalaDoon

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

anubis empire

N/Mo

i like that idea actually. i always thought that retiring greens and also have wandering spawns for green bosses would be kinda nice. Solo builds would still be viable but you couldnt just destroy a green market through saturation. IE. woespreader scareater. both excellent staves that are worthless now. lol anyways i like the idea. But to stay on point i believe the Raven staff though a wonderful and epic skin can go the way of the DOE DOE BIRD (sic)



Cronk

ogre_jd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2008

Canadia

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by turnkey1970
Sorry if this idea has been brought forward before but I was thinking. Just like all types of collectables; Precious Moments dolls Disney movies, etc., it would be interesting if Anet started to "retire" certain skins.
Stuff can be 'collectable' without deliberately limiting the supply. Why should ANet penalize the rest of us just so you and a few others can make a profit and brag at newbies about how awesome you are because you've got a retired skin?

Rangers Death

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

H E L L S Satans [HELS]

E/

I Kinda like the idea of retiring skins the games economy is plumiting just like the US economy. If you start to "retire" certain skins eg.( fellblade, chaos axe, stormbow, eternal bow) personaly i would retire this only the tyrian type because this would still let the skins be out there just not the tyrain type. This would make the price of the items go up and would make the game econmoy better.

Jaskos

jiggles

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

N/

ZOMGONEONEONEONEHUNDREDONETHOUSADNONEBILLION I HAV A OLDSKOOL FELLBLADE LOLZ AN U DONT LOLZ IM 1337 AND UR NOT LOLZ

no thanks

angmar_nite

angmar_nite

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

[SNOW] of [YUM]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by jiggles
ZOMGONEONEONEONEHUNDREDONETHOUSADNONEBILLION I HAV A OLDSKOOL FELLBLADE LOLZ AN U DONT LOLZ IM 1337 AND UR NOT LOLZ

no thanks
stfu

/signed

Fitz Rinley

Fitz Rinley

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Rusty Rose

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by turnkey1970
Sorry if this idea has been brought forward before but I was thinking. Just like all types of collectables; Precious Moments dolls Disney movies, etc., it would be interesting if Anet started to "retire" certain skins. Let's say they retire the Elemental Sword. I chose that particular one because it jumps out as the current one that has plummented in price due to farming. The price will start to rise again for those holding onto a few. Others will have been customized, merched or salvaged. It would also be interesting as players tried to determine what would be next on the "retirement" list.

Well, let's see if the flames come out or if it sounds interesting to the rest of you.
Don't know if I want one. And I will Never buy one. The part they never bother with is promotion and support of personal ideal fantasy in the characterization. Elimination of skins also eliminates the option to appear in a manner entertaining to the player. I support no elitest bullcrap in this. Equal opportunity should not be denied in a virtual world because some prick wants to jack up the price on what they own.

jiggles

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by angmar_nite
stfu

/signed

you realise i was being sarcastic right? (or did i totally read what you said wrong?)

Yawgmoth

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

Wow.
I've never thought about it and now I like the idea!
Really.
But you have to carefully choose which skins to 'retire'. There are many old skins which have their value 'protected' by the fact they don't drop inscribable or their inscribable versions are very rare (like Zaishen/HoH chest only). Those will retain value for long long time.

The problem are the ones commonly dropping inscribable, those can look very cool and potentially valuable, but the market is full of perfect versions of them so even req9 are(Dead Swords, Elemental Swords, Greater Sage Blades, Dead Bows, Sephis Axes, and a lot lot of Nightfall skins which are now straight merchant food even req9). Nothing that's in infinite supply cannot be valuable.

/signed

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

Arguement based entirely around 1337 speak aren't exactly taken seriously.

/signed
It might not be a bad idea. Of course, they should try to introduce a few new weapons skins just to balance it out (especially spears, daggers, and sycthles, which just get shafted in terms of variety).

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

Interesting.

/signed

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

Anet would never promote hoarding.

*stares at his one minipig*

Oh yeah, I guess they do. I'd rather them give random people stacks of ecto each month than do this - and it would have about the same effect.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

/signed for retiring raven staffs!

Aldric

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

[IG]

R/

/not signed

Silly idea. Just another way of complaining that people can't charge hugely inflated prices for any old crap anymore.

jackers1234

jackers1234

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

My House

N/A

Mo/Me

/not signed.

all this would do is add to the idea that to be good at the game you have to have leet items

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

So this is yet another qq-thread from farmers who feel they don't get enough gold from selling their loot.

/unsigned.

Play the game, dammit. If you want training for when you grow up and become an accountant, get EVE.

turnkey1970

turnkey1970

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

FotS

W/Mo

Wow, thanks for the responses. I honestly didn't think it would get a lot of attention. To all those who agree, thanks. To those that disagree, thank you as well. I would like to point out, speaking for self of course, the point wasn't to make me "leet" or uber-rich in a day; it was just a thought about how to throw a twist into the game and help, at least a little, in snapping back the economy. If I want to be rich I will go and grind out the ecto like any self respecting farmer . Again, thanks for all the responses.

turnkey1970

turnkey1970

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

FotS

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley
Don't know if I want one. And I will Never buy one. The part they never bother with is promotion and support of personal ideal fantasy in the characterization. Elimination of skins also eliminates the option to appear in a manner entertaining to the player. I support no elitest bullcrap in this. Equal opportunity should not be denied in a virtual world because some prick wants to jack up the price on what they own.
By the way, I really am not a prick. Can we keep the personal attacks in PMs? Thanks.

ogre_jd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2008

Canadia

W/

The economy, being based on the transfer potentially infinite supplies of items that are 90% vanity, is fine as it is and doesn't need "snapping back".

DRGN

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

In Memorium [iBot]

Mo/A

The bigger problems is that when you kill the increase in the number of the weapons, the supply will decrease, and in the extreme, dry up entirely. Some people will buy them and not resell. Some people will quit the game and those weapons will drop out of the market. Eventually, you'll see some of them going for really exorbitant amounts of money. We have enough stuff going for 100k + XXX ecto, I don't think we need to make more. I understand where you're coming from with this, but it would end up hurting more than helping.

/notsigned

Kattar

Kattar

EXCESSIVE FLUTTERCUSSING

Join Date: Mar 2007

SMS (lolgw2placeholder)

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by genofreek
Oh man, while I don't have a problem with the concept, let's not make that Playskool-lookin' thing any more sought after than it already is.
Yeah, that's basically the problem. Those that have been playing longer will get richer from selling the stuff they've kept. May throw off the economy even more.

/notsigned

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by DRGN
Eventually, you'll see some of them going for really exorbitant amounts of money.
That is the whole point of the suggestion. "Hey, I got 50 Kole's Gauntlet clogging up the mules on my four accounts - it'd sure be nice if they were worth 100K + xxx ecto each so it was worth my while to sell them! Hmm... How can I get ANet to intervene to make them rare?"

Problem is that ANet listens to uber-farmers like that, as proven by the divine ANet intervention to increase the price of minipigs last dragon festival, for the financial benefit of uber-farmers close to ANet.

Which is why I think that now that this suggestion has been made, it's just a matter of time before ANet implements it. It's exactly what the uber-farmers want, and ANet listens to the "elite".

I'm still going to /unsign it as a supremely bad idea, though.

Zydonis

Zydonis

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2007

USA

Loners United [CULT]

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I don't know about the average farmer, but I don't keep items I find for more than a couple days, so I really don't see why this would be about OP wanting to get rid of his 50 raven stave's for 100k each. The fact is that NOTHING is worth anything anymore.

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

Which is why farmers want item rarity increased.

Exactly like happened with the minipig, which instantly went from 1K to 20K each when ANet stepped in to raise its price.

Let's assume Raven Staffs stopped dropping today. What do you think a gold perfect one would be worth tomorrow? In a months time?

Lykan

Lykan

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

StP

R/

/not signed

I like prices low

MirkoTeran

MirkoTeran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Slovenia

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Mo/

I will sign this just for the fact I would like to see all the QQ it causes.

Pyro maniac

Pyro maniac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

/signed for flamberge

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

This goes against everything that GW stands for...if anything, A-Net will continue to try to make things more accessible, not less.

Zydonis

Zydonis

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2007

USA

Loners United [CULT]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
Which is why farmers want item rarity increased.
Really?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
Exactly like happened with the minipig, which instantly went from 1K to 20K each when ANet stepped in to raise its price.
Still see pigs for 5k.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
Let's assume Raven Staffs stopped dropping today. What do you think a gold perfect one would be worth tomorrow? In a months time?
The price would go up, creating more hard-to-earn items, giving the average player another reason to continue playing the game after beating campaigns. Honestly, grinding for titles that don't do anything but progress another title doesn't appeal to everyone.

Also, this wouldn't help many of your hated farmers, as farmers don't hang on to many of the items they get, and very rarely any of the lower end skins.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

Oh, sure, we want the people who were lucky enough to happen to have certain A-net chosen items at the time to get rich while the item reaches unobtainable status for all but the very richest players.

Stupid, stupid idea.

/notsigned

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

Look, its not about making the "new super rare leet item." Even if raven staves stoped droping tommorow, that doesn't make them as rare and valuable as say... a chaos axe.

The OP just doesn't want to see every single weapon skin in the game cost 500g.

Painbringer

Painbringer

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

Minnesota

Black Widows of Death

W/Mo

So my req 8 hammer may be wurth something

/signed

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

/not signed

The only skin I want to see retired in that damn lesser guardian spear.

Stockholm

Stockholm

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Censored

Censored

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by AbalaDoon
. woespreader scareater. both excellent staves that are worthless now. Cronk
They are just as useful today as when they cost +100K. As are all weapons, they might not be "Worth" as much as trade items, but so what......you can't take ectos or gold with you to GW2 anyway. Money (gold) is meant to be spent not hoarded.

/not signed

Eldin

Eldin

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

America. How about you, commie?

Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

R/Mo

Eh, I dunno if we need another stupid gold sink. But if we did do this...

Retire all the epic FoW and UW skins, which are still epic but I'd love to show off the fact that they've been around since 2005 and "NO YOU NIGHTFALLERS ARE NOT SPECIAL, YOU DID NOT INVENT THEM!".

Also...

"retire FDS lololol moar popularz again"

Konig Des Todes

Konig Des Todes

Ooo, pretty flower

Join Date: Jan 2008

Citadel of the Decayed

The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore]

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I doubt anet would do this, with all the updates that effected teh economy of the game, it seems they want things to be low, with a few mistakes *note the mini pig*, probably to prevent people from not being able to get the stuff they want...sadly, the main problem with this is then people cannot buy things like elite armor if they want that stuff.

You can't see me

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

/Not Signed, for two main reasons.

I think that it's good that there are many choices to pick from when it comes to weapons and their prices. You have a vast selection at affordable rates that you can mix and match without spending countless hours to get them. The same goes with armor, and I think we all agree that the armor system is nicely done. While it keeps the choices open and budgest friendly, it also has armors that satisfy the need to look rich. (Obviously, Fissure of Woe Armor). I like weapons being the same way.

Secondly, if Arenanet kept retiring old skins, then they would eventually have to make new skins that didn't absolutely make you want to die, and that's not happening.