Should Lootscaling be removed after the new Rtm policy?

This is BS. Before the Loot Scaling, ANY non-rare skinned item could be bought for less than 5K. Only stuff like Chaos Axes, Crystalline Swords and Storm Bows were 100K + ecto's.

...And guess what? They STILL are. Loot Scaling did NOTHING to the prices of items except to bring them UP. If the Exemption List didn't kick in, EVERYTHING would be 100K or more by now.

Besides, everyone that farms NOW also thinks 100K to be nothing. I see people here that claim to make 50K a DAY. That's 350K a WEEK. Do you think 100K is alot to them?

Holy crap for the 50th time it DOES impact everyone's gameplay. Just like duping armbraces impacted people's gameplay (and would even more had it been allowed to continue). And just like bot farming with RMT impacts everyone's gameplay. You really can't see this?

And uh, everyone can make good money. Solo farming makes you good money for one, even with LS. Certainly much more than an 8-man group. Go check out the thread about how much people are making per hour. I don't even solo farm and I feel I make good money.

Nobody is having trouble making money. And if they are, it's because they're inexperienced and need to get better.

Yeah so you're going to stop asking for LS now because 50k per day is more than enough right? A far less dedicated solo farmer will still make 20k-25k per day even with LS in place.

In one post you point out that solo farmers are having trouble making money. Then you follow it up by posting how solo farmers make up to 50k per day.

You're basicaly saying it's both too hard, and too easy to make money.

I have not found a single in trades or forums that got its price increased since LS was added, not in traders, nor in trades. Most items I ever see in traders are between 1k and 25k depending on rarity.
All items I see are cheaper and cheaper, with the exception of those aberrant items that no longer drop, like items with inherent +15% inconditional damage, and some miniatures.

I don't know where do you buy stuff, but stop buying there, they are swindling you. A lot.

(By the way, ReeBot rules, they should continue with the series.)

You are wrong, but I doubt you'll listen to what I'm going to say but I'll try anyway. If you follow the link indicated in the above link (well, actually, you have to dig deeper because the link has changed) you find this:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Devel..._20_April_2007

Which says (I quote):
(she also continues by saying: "This huge influx of new gold caused inflation and made it harder for casual players to afford the items they wanted.")

I think that the distinction is clear in Anet's mind, even if it's not presented this way exactly: "advande/expert farmers" are these guys who do 20, 30 or 100 times more cash than most people on a given period. Of course it implies being a regular farmer, but these guys were going one step further (what one could call the "human bot"). Because of the bad impact on the whole economy, LS was introduced. (they actually supported their behaviour in som way, when she says: "Here's how we've provided a new way for advanced players to make as much money as they did before: by introducing new items which will have a high demand from other players and thus high trade value, and then by making those items completely unaffected by loot scaling, so that solo farmers still have very effective ways to make a lot of money, but so that they make their money without hurting the game's economy.")

Yes, and you know what caused that? EX.EM.PTION. LIST. Is it so hard to understand the difference between the Loot Scaling and Exemption List? Loot Scaling DID cause the prices of everything to rise. What, you weren't there when it happened? Get your facts straight.

How exactly did it impact my gameplay? I never noticed the item duplicating until it was over and someone told me about it. Same goes with the removal of the LS. Sure, it impacts my game, but in a GOOD way. Stuff will become cheaper because more people will farm, causing more items to come into the market. And nobody will have money problems EVER again, because it is then possible to work towards something.

I DID solo farm and I feel I do not make enough money. Happy now? Personal experiences don't say a thing. Solo farming with LS gives me 1 or 2 items per run, which is about 90 gold, since 1 of the 2 items is usually a Collectible item like a Troll Tusk. If everybody could make good money, this thread wouldn't be here in the first place.

This thread's poll is telling us otherwise. Over 50% of the people here posting in this thread have trouble making money. Sure, it's only a forum and doesn't reflect the reality, but from the people posting in this thread, the majority DOES have trouble with money. So don't act as if I'm the only one here. YOU and maybe 4 or 5 others are the ones trying to prevent LS. You are the minority here.

And it's not about experience. How does being experienced give one more drops? My characters have over 1000K Experience in total, so can I have my 1000K now please?


Jesus are you even TRYING to read what I say? You obviously don't know the difference between casual farmers and Hardcore farmers. Please get your facts straight and try again. I'm not going to explain the situation casual farmers are in compared to the hardcore farmers again.

Holy crap. How does it impact everyones gameplay. Give some specifics, details, facts, theories, chocolate pudding....... anything!

THEY are human. THEY make mistakes, as seen when LS was originally implemented. THEY patched in when they realised what a mess they had made.

It may surprise you but I also do not have access to Anet's data. However this does not stop me from making a case for its removal based on data from 2 years with no LS.

Well, not alone but who knows that a few dozens people did not create several GWG accounts for voting? As I said in a previous post, it's very easy to manipulate online polls, not only from a technical point of view, but simply by "colluding" (asking a group of friends or people like-minded to flood the vote).

That's not true at all, on both counts. People play GW because the fun is in the game, only a minority play with money in mind (for most player, I guess it's just like most drops a means to buy the few things they need and then they forget about gold pieces). And you can go very far with the money you make from simply playing, I bought a Droks elite armor without realising it and with the rest of the money I had bought a few minis (it was a while ago).

Well, 2 times, one in NM and one in HM (I haven't yet and it's probably going to give me more money). I doubt that pro-LS=playing storyline several times. That's a gross misconception.

Huh? I think you're speaking non-sense, I did solo in HM and there was plentiful of black&white dyes, elite tomes, and the platinums from golds and other ID'd stuff, more than enough for my "needs", part of which are "light greed" on non-essential and non-needed stuff.

It's enough for me and I won't complain if it takes me a few month to get my FoW, I wasn't working too had to get it, but it's still hard(=a lot of time) enough to have value. I don't care about what people claim to make, or how much money the "earn" (note the double-quote, it's a GAME where the only thing you should "earn" is fun).

Well, dyes are here to dye, did you forget that? It's a pleasure once in a while to dye armors and weapons, offer a few dyes around.

From Gaile's own words (see my previous post), the Exemption list applies to LS, it is intrinsically part of LS.

The keyword is "efficient", if you take the whole range of GW players, you'll get totally opposite and conflicting definitions. Of course, everyone is free to belong to what they'd call "the elite", but I guess a lot of loosers consider themselves smarter than everyone.

I'll repeat what I said in page 12, message #224:

Well, did "these players" forget that GW is a game? Income of plat, that's spoken as if it was real-life. Income to pay a rent? Or food for your characters?

So you don't believe Anet words? More precisely:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Devel..._20_April_2007

If you're seriously making so little from your farms, perhaps you should change to something more profitable, such as the stone elementals in the Pockmark Flats. Just about every critter killed drops something and I'm usually ahead a couple hundred gold, even counting the cost of ID & salvage kits, by the time I clear the bowl, those few times I've bothered soloing it with my E/Mo who'd kill most members of each mob in a single hit of a two-spell combo (Phoenix + Lava Font).

Or just take up walking around killing everything in your path. Even with a full H/H party, and with no golds or white/black dyes dropping, I came away with around 2p for just the trip from Rata Sum (via Riven Earth) to Tarnished Haven on Wednesday, though I took the long way around (west from the Riven entrance to the edge, then along the southern coast).

EDIT: That was in normal mode, by the way, and not using Ursan (Sever Artery, Gash, Power Attack, Seeking Blade, For Great Justice, Warrior's Endurance, and I Am The Strongest).

I'm not sure what you're getting at, the removal of lootscaling would only benifit the hardcore farmer atm, and would widen the gap tremendously between casual players, and even casual farmers.
The amount of large mob farming going on now would assure rapid inflation of everything we already have. (Loot scaling doesn't affect these gold weapons that you seem to think we have a shortage of) so all it would cause is an increase of merchable whites for solo farmers that like those ever so popular mass aggro farms.
Mobs like raptor nestlings, vaettir, Luxon assassins, Kirin/dragon moss, spiders, and others put the kill rate of troll farming to shame (the raptor farm alone kills twice as many enemies 2-3 time as fast, meaning 6x the possible white drops in the same amount of time.). If these farms were to be exempt from LS, there's no doubt that inflation would become a very real problem again.
Sure it sucks to kill 30 enemies and only see 3-5 items drop, but now it can be done faster than ever, and you're still getting your insane amount of golds/dyes/materials that aren't included in LS.

It just doesn't make sense to remove LS in light of all these new farms, even if Anet could assure us that bots would be completely removed from the game.

ANet has already made the aquisition of 'lewt' very, very fast, and easy for most players that have purchased eotn..(Blessings, ect.)..
There really is no solid reason for them to remove LS before the introduction of GW2.
Aside from blessings..there are cons, outrageous hero builds (I'm looking at you Racthoh and Sab..*hugz*) So, I personaly feel the need to remove LS is not needed.
'Solo' farming is a fun activity, but not an all day thing to be enjoyed....IMHO

Let me clue Ca and Reetkeever in...

Remember that all things are relative. If a person has a 10k gold/day income and another person has a 25k/day income, that 10k person has a certain position of relative wealth. This determines what the player can buy & sell in the game, what armor he can access relative to what other people can access, etc.

Now consider that player's relative wealth when he has that same 10k/day income and the high end player has an 80k/day income. That first person becomes poor, relative to the 80k player.

Now take duping armbraces and say it was allowed to continue. Let's say the population of dupers makes 35 million per day. Relative to the 10k/25k/80k players, that person is very rich. And the other players are very poor.

It's all relative.

Also, Anet has already told you how uber-pre-LS farming and duping damages the game for other people. After 78 pages on this thread I'd think you two would bother to read their points.

I never said that the majority of the Guild Wars players were voting here, and it was not the point I was trying to make. Some people here dare to claim that I am the ONLY one in whole Guild Wars that has trouble making money, which is obviously not the case.


Look at it this way. Does having more money cause you to enjoy the game LESS? What people enjoy and not is for them to decide. Some people enjoy the Storyline while others enjoy to open chests. Having money, however, gives one WAY more freedom in what to do.

Then, why do all the pro-LS people tell us to do the storyline for cash? They should understand that most people have the storyline beaten by now, and want to have different forms of income than the storyline. The fact that alot of the pro-LS people here tell us that THEY get money from playing the game, is enough proof that they are actually doing missions for the storyline. If it's their first time, they're the ones having no experience in this game yet, which is not the case I believe.

However, these drops are all up to chance. Where you find 3 Black Dyes in a row, others might not. In fact, I haven't had a Black Dye drop for me in 1 and a half years now. But that's not the point. I was talking about solo-farm runs in general. Wether they be in Normal mode or Hard mode, clearing even over 20 enemies at once doesn't give one more than 3 drops. Unless that person is lucky, of course...



It's enough for me too, that's why I want to get rid of LS so people can actually OBTAIN this kind of money without grinding for 5 hours in a row. As matters are now, one gets only 100-200 gold from a solo farm run, when lucky that is. I would have to grind my @$$ off for just 5K. The situation I sketched was the situation BEFORE Loot Scaling. BEFORE LS, one could make ~6K a day, and it would take a few months buying FoW armour.


Yes of course, but you would want to dye your armour and weapons in the colour of your choice, or else you'd be walking around in 5 different colours ^^


This is simply not true, as the Exemption List was added AFTER the Loot Scaling. It was added because the prices of items were raising drastically. Gaile might have been asleep at that time or something. I experienced it myself, though.


If you can choose between 6K a day and 50K a day, you can tell me which is the efficient one. Elite areas imo are DoA, UW, FoW etc. Area's where you can't just simply walk in to without a plan.

Indeed, Guild Wars is a game. Should people grind and grind for hours just to get some cash? Is it that hard to just give players an easier way to get cash?

I'm not, hence no need to remove LS!

I'd rather believe Gaile than you honestly. As most people will.

That's where exchange is useful! I do that with guildies and members of Alliance.

Efficient does not only depend on the outcome, but on the method. You can get 50k a day by doing the 6k-a-day method 8 times!

They don't have to, I know I didn't and I'm far from expert or smart at the game.

Reetkever, the fact is, you make as much money as the game design means for you to make. You can argue with Anet about rewards being too low (or too high) all you want. It's clear that Anet doesn't want people getting eight times the reward for solo farming. They're cool with you solo farming to get an income superior to conventional play, but not eight times conventional play.

Many people are comfortable with the cash flow in the game either with 8-man play or with the boost from LS-incorporated solo farming. Some people apparently don't have the patience for it.

This is the direction they took their game. It takes some time to make money. Even solo farming, it's going to take an hour to make that 15k. If you're good, you'll make 25k in that hour, but only 10k if you're a bit less efficient.

I think you should take up your cash flow/game design problem directly with Anet. There's not really anything we can do here to alter a fundamental part of their vision for the game.

Okay, so... by your logic more money equals more fun. Therefore the game should be changed so that people make how much per hour then? 50k? 150k? Some people would like to make 200k per hour. That way they'd never have to grind for cash. And they could buy all they want on all their characters without having to play the game much.

Reetkever, give us a figure that you think is appropriate? Simply saying MO MONEY MO MONEY IN THE NAME OF FUN is kinda silly.

Seriously, how much per hour?

And then email your suggestion to Anet IMO.

Lets not go into duping. Thats a totally different subject. We all know that is wrong.

OK! You have made a point at last.

Farming is an optional way of playing the game. The option is there for everyone to do it. Some poeple don't enjoy it and that's fine but the option is still there. There are always going to be ways of playing the game that are more profitable, removing choice diminishes the game.

What next, remove all elite areas from the game as the players running those missions make more money/hour than others not capable of doing it?

Given that 99% of all items in the game will not change in price if LS is removed how do you feel that being relatively poor to one who farms will disadvantage you?

You just called yourself a bad player. Scads of other people are doing way better.

IMO, you are a bad farmer and should not be rewarded for your poor play. Instead, you should get better at GW. That way you'll be a decent player and get decent rewards for your decent play.

[QUOTE=Fril Estelin]
I'd rather believe Gaile than you honestly. As most people will.
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But the capacity to have our own point of view based on OBSERVATION is what makes us human. All the evidence points to the opposite of Anet's stance.

Don't get me wrong, Anet do a great job with this game. I admire them a lot. However this is one area I believe they messed up big time.

Yes, absolutely. Anet feels the same way I do too, per their statements.

Change in price for those 99% of items isnt the whole story. Assume 100% of items stay the same price for a moment. The non-LS solo farmer gets to buy EIGHT TIMES the amount of that stuff that's staying the same price.

If I'm poor relative to a non-LS solo farmer (assuming the same hours/skill/dedication/effort/experience), then we end up playing a different game. That solo farmer gets virtually all they want for all their characters and heroes, while I can afford much less, despite the identical effort.

In fact, I have to play a whopping EIGHT hours for every hour they put in. They equip eight characters/heroes for my every one. Or they get eight times more rare/interesting/attractive gear as me. I have to grind eight times longer than that person for cash. A three-hour after after school/work session by that farmer requires me to play for an entire 24 hour period without sleeping - just to break even with them. However you want to look at it.

This makes me less successful at the game relative to that farmer. And remember that success is all relative as well.

Let's stop being so selfish. Even though the removal of the LS does not harm you, you want to keep it just because YOU can make enough cash?


Actually, the fact that Loot Scaling came a few hours BEFORE Exemption List is common knowledge, and I am surprised that not everyone knows this, even though they claim to know what LS is about. Besides, Gaile is known to have made alot of errors (Which wasn't her fault, but was caused due to misinformation or the lack of information). Don't forget that Gaile is just a 'messenger' who might not even have a clue what is happening in the game. Did you also trust her when she said there were no Polar Bears, even though they clearly exist? But let's stop this argument before we're talking about Polar Bears soon. Just get your facts straight about the LS/Exemption List and we'll be able to talk.

I don't see the point you're trying to make. The methods are obviously different, because casual players don't spend hours and hours farming because they actually play the game. 6K a day 8 times means you get50K in 8 days where other people get 400K in that time. In either way, the Hardcore farmers win.

They don't HAVE to. People don't HAVE to play Guild Wars at all. This is such a worthless claim. Just because people don't HAVE to have fun, doesn't mean they should not GET it.

Again, learn to read. I JUST stated that 6K a DAY is enough to make me happy. It's the situation before the LS. The fact that more money makes more people happy... Honestly, how can you not see this? It's obvious that different players have different interests. Especially after beating the game, alot of people want to do other things. And everything in the game that isn't storyline costs money. Without that money, it's impossible to participate in these things, so only more Storyline can be done. If people have more money to spend, they can do more things in the game. Someone likes to Chest run, others like to collect a special kind of sword, for example.

No, sir. You just confirmed that you did not read ANYTHING about the situation at hand, and you just blindly troll people without any information.

Being good or bad at Guild Wars does not affect drops. Only the TIME played in Guild Wars affects drops. I do not have the time to make 50K+ in a day, and neither does any other casual player. Becoming a hardcore player is out of the question, and therefore all the good farm runs are out of reach.

In other words... You are just very jealous because people that WORK for their cash get more than you, even though you are doing NOTHING for your cash.

So, what's your opinion about the Hardcore farmers that make ~20x as much as you per day WITH the LS? You don't seem to care about them at all. You want to kill casual farming because they make a little bit of cash, but you don't care about the Hardcore farmers that can make 50K a day without any problems.

I don't get you... You have to play 25 hours a day doing the storyline to keep up with the hardcore farmers these days, so how do you live with that?

I claimed you're the only one explicitly complaining, in written word, that you're having trouble making money. Maybe I missed someone, but most if not all the other anti-loot scaling folks have a different reason for wanting it removed, like having more fun when more stuff drops. Not being able to make enough money to get by in GW, that's just... pathetic.

I don't think anyone ever said that. It has been claimed that playing the storyline gives you enough cash to get by, in response to your claims of the opposite. I frankly don't care what you do to make cash. I just know that I wouldn't know what to do to generate the kind of cash flow problems you claim to have. I can't seem to do anything at all in this game without generating a decent income.

You continually misrepresent what people say. It all started when you claimed playing the storyline didn't generate enough cash, and that you had to augment your 'income' with casual farming. Some people piped in claiming they feel the storyline does generate enough income. That's all. No one told you to just play the storyline for cash. I wouldn't recommend this thing you call 'casual farming' though, because it appears to suck.

100-200 gold from a solo farm run? That's... odd. Either you're a liar, doing something really unproductive, or just the unluckiest person ever.


The exemption list was added ONE DAY LATER. Any price development you may have witnessed during that time was more likely to be inspired by mass hysteria than anything else.


Or perhaps those players could align their efforts with their expectations, and do something to be more efficient at farming for cash? Because it can be done.

Don't take it personally, but such a subjective statement cannot work out in a discussion. I may as well say "narrowminded people lack perspective to realise their condition". Or "greedy people will say anything to make their point". I'm not saying this targetted at anyone, but I've got enough net-experience to know where the limits stand. One can sometimes read between the lines and discover someone you can trust, and as I said I'd rather trust Anet than you because I believe they didn't make a mistake. They made the game experience of many players better.

Because you're not selfish? I think we'd better stop this non-discussion, you're neither ready, nor willing to listen to what we're saying and stubbornly sticking to your position, which may be explained by a number of things (greed, ignorance, trolling, screwing GW and Anet) though I don't know which ones. Believe me (or not), I'm no genius at this game but from wiki and this forum, there's much more than enough to get tons and tons of cash without becoming a "human bot". And what you'd like to buy with all that money escapes my understanding.

You're the victim of "misreading", a common plague on the net. You've misread my statement, I was talking about FARMING, not HAVING FUN!

I believe that too, they won't give in. The problem is that they changed their view (and not only on this topic) several times over the last 3 years. Or they were not ready or experienced enough at Proph. release to implement several things from the start.

This resulted in pissing off several player groups in the comunity. People remember some game mechanics were a lot of fun. And we just discuss and argue amongst eachother now. In the meantime they gave us grind, another one of their fundamental views that changed.

At this point I think I overrated Anet, except for the art and production team lead by Jeff Strain. You're an artist Jeff, gratz!

I have no complaints about the network and technology team (lead by Patrick Wyatt) either, on the contrary. However, I hold Mike O'Brien and his design and content team responsible for what went wrong in Guild Wars. It just happens that this team has a major impact on the fun factor in this game. Step by step they made the game less fun by adding things like LS even though it's a good idea. Thanks but no thanks Mike.

If lootscaling was working at release we wouldn't even had this topic.

That is something I would like explained further from the OP also.
I guess I am just not grasping what the complaint against LS REALLY is?
If a player has set a goal for a certain peice of armor, weapon, ect...one plays for it...saves, and gets a feeling of accomplishment..(gaming)
Just 'farming' to have alot of lewt, and plats.....why?

Well, yes and no. Gaile's update was a PR page after the updates. Loot scaling was added in the 19th April update, prices of ectos soared immendiately, despite it being sneeked in as a little one-liner at the bottom of a massive update, people soon spotted that one. Only after this mess did they add the excemption list on the 20th along withe the PR spin machine. The excemption list was not intrinsically part of LS, it was damage limitation on a badly thought out nuts idea.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Game_updates:April_2007

Rofl E-PEEN ALERT!!! No one is bad for not being able to make money, you're an idiot for thinking so. I recall you saying you've never solo farmed a day in your life? Then you must be a bad player, because you cannot solo farm. Maybe you shouldn't assume so much, because it makes you look like an fool, I doubt you've ever played with him, so how do you know how good/bad he is?


IMO, you are a bad person, with a ugly personality, you should not be rewarded in life. Instead, you should see a specialist that can help you, that way you'll become a decent person and get decent rewards in life. GTFO, you've overstayed your welcome here long enough.

I'd hazzard a guess that most players who post on this forum are not poor. The I'm richer or I'm a better player than you comments are just juvenile.

Most experienced players know how to make money. For me its not about the money (although it would be nice to break even on lockpicks!) its about what is right for the game.

Ok, so you are telling him to go find other people's points, because you have none?

Do your posts ever pove anything oher than silly insults you make up?

See first quote...

Wow thank you for telling us that you have no facts about LS. What are you still doing in this topic? Insulting people to make yourself feel good or +1 posts?

True. However, as I mentioned somewhere in this mega-thread, my first experience with LS was all the way back in the days of Diablo, which was maintained by Blizzard in Diablo 2 and even WoW to a certain extent (size of party affects quality of drops, bigger the party, greater the odds of uber items falling). The game designers knew what LS was and just how beneficial it is to game balance because they'd implemented it for years working at Blizzard.

They thought they'd try something different in a game filled with TSDs.

Didn't really work as it turned out. Their anti farming code degraded the quality of the drops, but not the amount, and since that's only a relatively small effect on merch value, people were able to generate far more gold than they foresaw. So, when they were retooling the drop system for hard mode, they dropped the AFC for a solution they knew worked from past experience.

I have to think that the people complaining the loudest about LS have the least experience with these sorts of games. The only thing surprising is that they waited as long as they did to drop the AFC code in favor of good old party size based drops. That they softened the blow with an almost insanely generous exemption list is even more shocking, both because of the amount of people still complaining a year later but also because you can bet had they not been put in the scenario of implementing LS after the fact, the list would not be anywhere close to as generous. No matter what the reetkeevers and others want to believe, when it comes to farming, either for gold or rare items, GW is one of the most farmer friendly games out there.

remove it lol

I don't think he's "bad". I was just pointing out that if he has a hard time making money with his farming activities that if he improved he could make more money.

Since I didn't make an insult, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Again, I didn't insult him. Even Cab's response to my post didn't mention anything about being insulted. No reason for it to.


Um, I have as many "facts" about LS as you. We're both looking at it from the same perspective as players. We don't have access to the same kind of date as Anet. One important thing that's key to making intelligent posts here is realizing that none of us have the complete story. Part of Anet's reasoning for LSing could very well be because of information we're not privy to.

No I'm telling him to go find all the points already made - instead of waking up every morning and asking on this forum if any points were ever made in these 80 pages of debate. I'm not going to go through 80 pages of thread and assemble some mega post simply because you don't want to keep yourself up to date before you post. It's all been said, multiple times, by multiple people. Do your own research. It gets like groundhog day in here sometimes.... sheesh.....

And wait wait wait.... You call people "idiots, bad people, ugly personality, etc", because they suggested that possibly the issue is that the poster isn't as efficient as some other people. I never called him a bad person. I don't even know him and I certainly have no reason to personally attack him. Seems like an okay guy to me. We just don't agree on some goofy issue in some goofy game. Nothing more.

So I have two questions for you:

1) Why attack me personally?
2) Why are you saying I insulted Cab when I didn't?
3) Why are you making stuff up?

Yahoo! Rare items aren't affected by loot scaling, and if you want to make cash, they are how A-Net wants you to do it. So you can still make plenty of cash from those awesome gold items...

Thing is most of the gold items I get are r12 or r13, which no one seems interested in buying anyway. So all they are good for is ID points and merch fodder.

Personally, I honestly have tonnes more fun killing a mob and merching the piles and piles of "white crap", than standing in KC/LA/Kamadan spamming "WTS blah blah for XXk" for hours at a time.

The truth is that the trading system in the game sucks, even with the "party formation" window. You used to have the option of either
a) slogging your way through the deluge of WTS/WTBs or
b) solo farming for merchable crap (with the occasional choice drop).

Now you have the awesome options of
a) slog your way through the deluge of WTS/WTBs or
b) do without.

Not much of an improvement in my book.

your interpretation.

according to this little guy who judt happens to be............argue with this guy instead.

And then we go back again to what I say in every 'gimme cash', 'gimm storage' or 'economy sucks' threads:
- We need the Xunlai Marketplace.

I have a weakness to Chocolate Coca-Cola Cake, but I've been known to be adventurous. Vanilla, Chocolate, Strawberry, mixes, frozen, thawed. I'll take all comers.

You maybe don't realise, I'm sure most of us post in a terse way when in an argument, but many of your posts range from completely insulting to confrontational and rude, you may want to review what you have posted in this thread.