Um yeah, E6850 sorry for the confusion, and thanks heaps for the advice. In my part of the world at least, the E6850 and the Q6600 are the same price - bout the equivalent of USD$320
In summary then:
1. Dual or quad work fine for most, but they don't work fine for others..
2. If I have to force one core, more processor speed (v.s no. of core's) is more useful (at least for the app I am forcing to one core).
3. But, more cores is better if I am running multiple apps.
Just on this future proofing concept, I only upgrade every 3 years or so (wives get grumpy if its too often) I was thinking that perhaps in a year there might be a lot more multi-threaded apps/games, and Vista might be fixed enough to use.
For those that questioned whether quad was necessary, you don't agree, or just don't rate the Q6600?
Quad or Dual Core, ok with GW?
xigel
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If you can get your hands on a E8400, it would be a better choice. If not, then get the E6850. I have a Q6600 myself, and I think it's a bit of a waste. Most of the time only 1 core is being used unless I deliberately run a game and some multi-threaded video encoding app in the background. Frankly, I don't see quad-cores being significantly faster than dual-cores in games in the next 3 years.
xigel
Another question (and sorry this might be a stupid one). If I go for the e8400 do i have to have a x38 motherboard, or can I use a p35? But both options are all LGA775 right?
llsektorll
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Um yeah, E6850 sorry for the confusion, and thanks heaps for the advice. In my part of the world at least, the E6850 and the Q6600 are the same price - bout the equivalent of USD$320
In summary then: 1. Dual or quad work fine for most, but they don't work fine for others.. 2. If I have to force one core, more processor speed (v.s no. of core's) is more useful (at least for the app I am forcing to one core). 3. But, more cores is better if I am running multiple apps. Just on this future proofing concept, I only upgrade every 3 years or so (wives get grumpy if its too often) I was thinking that perhaps in a year there might be a lot more multi-threaded apps/games, and Vista might be fixed enough to use. For those that questioned whether quad was necessary, you don't agree, or just don't rate the Q6600? |
lactatemike
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Oh I see the E6850 now, it's just a Conroe.
For that price, you're better off with a E8400, imo. It could be your video card, it sounds like my old GTX when I play Crysis (it overheats under very high load). Poor MSI... I blamed them for a very long time... then they released the godly P7N Diamond, I drooled over it for days... but by then I already have bought EVGA's 780i... it's made of fail. |
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nothing wrong with vista... people just like to whine and complain.... xp fails imo i don't see myself going back to that spyware/virus magnet....
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I really really hope you aren't saying that the NVIDIA 780i SLI board blows, because I *JUST* payed 500 bucks for that and a Q6700 quad chip. I haven't hooked anything up yet, though, because I need a tad more paycheck for the rest of this new pc. . .
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I use EVGA's 780i, the Northbridge heatsink is badly constructed and badly placed. They issue you a Northbridge cooling fan which is louder a boat hitting rocks and sounds something like chipmunks gnawing away at nuts.
Depends on which brand you bought. I mean the MSI's P7N (uses 780i chipset) is brilliant, worth every dime. The ASUS Striker II Formula (780i chipset as well) is a close second.
EDIT: Here's what I'm talking about; MCP = Northbridge
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Another question (and sorry this might be a stupid one). If I go for the e8400 do i have to have a x38 motherboard, or can I use a p35? But both options are all LGA775 right?
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The 3x series (p35, x38, and others) support the E8400. The 780i also does, along with certain 650i or 680i boards with the appropriate BIOS updates. If you don't care for SLI, then a p35 board is a good choice.
Brianna
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Then I hope you didn't buy EVGA's 780i. Company's build these boards to Nvidia's specifications, then slap their own sticker, heatsinks, box, and customer service/warranty on them.
I use EVGA's 780i, the Northbridge heatsink is badly constructed and badly placed. They issue you a Northbridge cooling fan which is louder a boat hitting rocks and sounds something like chipmunks gnawing away at nuts. Depends on which brand you bought. I mean the MSI's P7N (uses 780i chipset) is brilliant, worth every dime. The ASUS Striker II Formula (780i chipset as well) is a close second. EDIT: Here's what I'm talking about; MCP = Northbridge |
Blackhearted
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Where did you get that temperature program?
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Admael
It's Everest Ultimate, yes. There is no free, but there's a trial version. [link]
The trial version is very primitive, doesn't give you much. It's worth it to buy, at least to me, because they have great RAM benchmarking tools. (about 45 USD I think, I remember paying 60 USD for some other crap bundled)
Both are LGA775, so they'll physically fit, no promises that the BIOS would reconize it, and I think ASUS already declared no 45nm support on their boards, but Gigabyte has a BIOS upgrade for it.
But the safest way is to either get the X38/X48 or 780i/790i Ultra.
The trial version is very primitive, doesn't give you much. It's worth it to buy, at least to me, because they have great RAM benchmarking tools. (about 45 USD I think, I remember paying 60 USD for some other crap bundled)
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Another question (and sorry this might be a stupid one). If I go for the e8400 do i have to have a x38 motherboard, or can I use a p35? But both options are all LGA775 right?
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But the safest way is to either get the X38/X48 or 780i/790i Ultra.
Yichi
My current setup =
AMD 64 x2 5600+ (2.8 gig dual core)
3gig ram
2x 8600gt vid cards
64 bit vista
No problems running guildwars at all with 80+ fps at full resolution and zero processor lag. Temperature never raises higher than 25 deg. celcius on speedfan.
AMD 64 x2 5600+ (2.8 gig dual core)
3gig ram
2x 8600gt vid cards
64 bit vista
No problems running guildwars at all with 80+ fps at full resolution and zero processor lag. Temperature never raises higher than 25 deg. celcius on speedfan.
tehshadowninjar
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Well, a few things.
Guild Wars wasn't designed or optimized around Dual/Quad core processors, there for it has some problems.. Here's a few to start: *The game may run in super slow/super speed. *You may get bad FPS. *The game can crash on you, or it can crash your whole entire system. This is easily fixed by running ForceCore to make Guild Wars execute on only one processor. Or, when Gw.exe is up in the processes tab, you go CTRL + ALT + Delete > Processes > Gw.exe > Right click > Set Affinity > Uncheck all CPU's except for one. Same thing that ForceCore does in a sense, except just manually. Personally I've had some problems, severe lag, bad FPS with the game running on two cores, but never crashes. I run an AMD Dual Core right now. I've noticed somewhat that Crashes are more common with Intel, and AMD just seems to get the bad lag bit. Though running it with only one core doesn't really decrease performance much, and if it does then your 8800GT will back it up by far. You'll be fine pretty much. |
Admael
That's been a problem since Win2k, no one ever seems to know the solution or have an explanation to that phenomenon.
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I really really hope you aren't saying that the NVIDIA 780i SLI board blows, because I *JUST* payed 500 bucks for that and a Q6700 quad chip. I haven't hooked anything up yet, though, because I need a tad more paycheck for the rest of this new pc. . .
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lactatemike
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Then I hope you didn't buy EVGA's 780i. Company's build these boards to Nvidia's specifications, then slap their own sticker, heatsinks, box, and customer service/warranty on them.
I use EVGA's 780i, the Northbridge heatsink is badly constructed and badly placed. They issue you a Northbridge cooling fan which is louder a boat hitting rocks and sounds something like chipmunks gnawing away at nuts. Depends on which brand you bought. I mean the MSI's P7N (uses 780i chipset) is brilliant, worth every dime. The ASUS Striker II Formula (780i chipset as well) is a close second. EDIT: Here's what I'm talking about; MCP = Northbridge |
Admael
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That really sucks because I did. . . I might try to get an extra fan blowing right on that bridge to see if it can help.
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lactatemike
Yeah I got mine from TG. Really a great deal.
And I don't really plan on OC'ing at all, actually. The extent of my gaming is really this game of late. Might change coming up, of course. . .
I'm glad to hear it will work fine stock.
I haven't actually bought a card yet. I gotta do this thing one check at a time right now. I was going to just save and buy all at once but I knew that the deal on the board and pc was too nice to pass up. Turns out I was at least partially right. TG is currently offering the 6600 and 780 sli for more.
And I don't really plan on OC'ing at all, actually. The extent of my gaming is really this game of late. Might change coming up, of course. . .
I'm glad to hear it will work fine stock.
I haven't actually bought a card yet. I gotta do this thing one check at a time right now. I was going to just save and buy all at once but I knew that the deal on the board and pc was too nice to pass up. Turns out I was at least partially right. TG is currently offering the 6600 and 780 sli for more.
Kyosuki
How can I know the name of my processor.
I know I got an Intel DualCore,but dont know wich one/brand/name
I'v checked System in Control Panel and it only says Intel[D]ualCore
I know I got an Intel DualCore,but dont know wich one/brand/name
I'v checked System in Control Panel and it only says Intel[D]ualCore
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How can I know the name of my processor.
I know I got an Intel DualCore,but dont know wich one/brand/name I'v checked System in Control Panel and it only says Intel[D]ualCore |
Snograt
Heh, I'm seeing Gaile pop up in the oddest of places in here recently. Bugs and Tech - whatever next, Off-Top? 
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There is a dual-core issue with Guild Wars. I've been in contact with suport, as have many others experiencing the lock-ups, and it has not been rectified yet. The only way to avoid the system locking up is to set the affinity to single core when running Guild Wars.
Yesterday I received a PM from Gaile Gray about this issue, so hopefully now that I've also explained the situation to her she may be able to light a fire under someone's desk and have them look into it in more detail. It is not a system problem, this system is hand-built by me and suffers no problems at all in any applications, games or anything else that I decide to run, In fact it's only Guild Wars that ever crashes at all, and like I said above putting it onto a single core cures the problem. So, it's got to be something in the way Guild Wars handles multiple-cores that's causing it. Temps are all low, the memory is fine, the HDD is fine and it isn't a dodgy PSU either. |
I need the quadcore, I run multiple apps all the time, including memory intensive 3d and 2d stuff like Maya and Photoshop. Heat is also not an issue, I've got seven fans in my case and the side of it feels like a refridgerator...
DaGGeR
Intel quad core + X38 chipset + nVIDIA graphics no probs at all in WinXP Win Vista 32/64. I don't assign affinity to a single core or use any other method to run the game on single core.
Many many factors come into play when the game stops running smoothly. Could be related to multi-core cpu in certain configs or with certain cpu brands/models or could be related to any of the system's hardware components or softaware configs. It's not that easy to point the finger at one component without first checking to see if all the other software/hardware configs/components of the each individual's PC experiencing problems are working ok. That is what tech support will go through with you step by step.
Off the top of my head this came to my mind figured I'd sate it here might help a few since a few percentage of hardware lags are related to this. There was a guide here somewhere about defragging the gw.dat file alone. iirc if that file gets fragmented too much it will cause problems such as stutters etc. Also simply defragging the partition your gw installation is in helps and worth a shot. Defragging your hard drives every two weeks is a good idea, might even need to do it more often if you copy/download/move many files into your hard drive.
Many many factors come into play when the game stops running smoothly. Could be related to multi-core cpu in certain configs or with certain cpu brands/models or could be related to any of the system's hardware components or softaware configs. It's not that easy to point the finger at one component without first checking to see if all the other software/hardware configs/components of the each individual's PC experiencing problems are working ok. That is what tech support will go through with you step by step.
Off the top of my head this came to my mind figured I'd sate it here might help a few since a few percentage of hardware lags are related to this. There was a guide here somewhere about defragging the gw.dat file alone. iirc if that file gets fragmented too much it will cause problems such as stutters etc. Also simply defragging the partition your gw installation is in helps and worth a shot. Defragging your hard drives every two weeks is a good idea, might even need to do it more often if you copy/download/move many files into your hard drive.
Quaker
This topic seems to keep coming up now and then.
What amuses me most are the people who say things like "I have a dual-core processor and GW has never locked up for me" as if to suggest the problem, therefore, does not exist. Well, I've never had cancer, so it doesn't exist either
But anyway - on topic - no-one seems to know exactly what causes the problem, but it does exist. It may be a combination of many factors, even down to the timings and frequencies of the cpu, RAM, etc.. There seems to be no definitive combination of components or conditions that can be shown to cause it. However, setting the affinity of GW to use only 1 core does cure the problem.
Up until recently, my system had an AMD 64 X2 3800+ dual-core cpu (winXP). My experience was typical. I had no problems for quite a while, but when the lock-ups started to happen, they happened more and more frequently until I started using ForceCore. They may have been reduced some after I did an -image, but I can`t say for sure since the only time I didn`t run ForeCore was when running TexMod to do cartography titles.
Since then I have upgraded to a Q6600 quad-core (& Vista). I haven`t been using ForceCore (yet), but GW still randomly locks-up - not anywhere near as often though - not often enough to get me to get around to trying ForceCore with Vista.
Oops, gotta run......
What amuses me most are the people who say things like "I have a dual-core processor and GW has never locked up for me" as if to suggest the problem, therefore, does not exist. Well, I've never had cancer, so it doesn't exist either
But anyway - on topic - no-one seems to know exactly what causes the problem, but it does exist. It may be a combination of many factors, even down to the timings and frequencies of the cpu, RAM, etc.. There seems to be no definitive combination of components or conditions that can be shown to cause it. However, setting the affinity of GW to use only 1 core does cure the problem.
Up until recently, my system had an AMD 64 X2 3800+ dual-core cpu (winXP). My experience was typical. I had no problems for quite a while, but when the lock-ups started to happen, they happened more and more frequently until I started using ForceCore. They may have been reduced some after I did an -image, but I can`t say for sure since the only time I didn`t run ForeCore was when running TexMod to do cartography titles.
Since then I have upgraded to a Q6600 quad-core (& Vista). I haven`t been using ForceCore (yet), but GW still randomly locks-up - not anywhere near as often though - not often enough to get me to get around to trying ForceCore with Vista.
Oops, gotta run......
Wenspire
I've run WinXPpro with two overclocked C2Ds (E4300/E4500) and my current C2Q with no issues while playing this game using the same Gigabyte 965 Intel motherboard. I also have it running on an older P4-D setup, as well as an AMD64x2 5000BE system with no problems. I use ATi graphics cards on all my systems.
I can't help but wonder if the problems people are having have to do with another issue rather something related to running on a multi-core CPU. Perhaps an OS, motherboard BIOS or graphics card settngs?
I can't help but wonder if the problems people are having have to do with another issue rather something related to running on a multi-core CPU. Perhaps an OS, motherboard BIOS or graphics card settngs?
Brianna
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This topic seems to keep coming up now and then.
What amuses me most are the people who say things like "I have a dual-core processor and GW has never locked up for me" as if to suggest the problem, therefore, does not exist. Well, I've never had cancer, so it doesn't exist either But anyway - on topic - no-one seems to know exactly what causes the problem, but it does exist. It may be a combination of many factors, even down to the timings and frequencies of the cpu, RAM, etc.. There seems to be no definitive combination of components or conditions that can be shown to cause it. However, setting the affinity of GW to use only 1 core does cure the problem. Up until recently, my system had an AMD 64 X2 3800+ dual-core cpu (winXP). My experience was typical. I had no problems for quite a while, but when the lock-ups started to happen, they happened more and more frequently until I started using ForceCore. They may have been reduced some after I did an -image, but I can`t say for sure since the only time I didn`t run ForeCore was when running TexMod to do cartography titles. Since then I have upgraded to a Q6600 quad-core (& Vista). I haven`t been using ForceCore (yet), but GW still randomly locks-up - not anywhere near as often though - not often enough to get me to get around to trying ForceCore with Vista. Oops, gotta run...... |
At least in Guild Wars 2 we shouldn't have these problems.
kinda doubt this will ever get fixed.
Numa Pompilius
Could the problem be something along these lines?
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;896256
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;896256
Quaker
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I got ForceCore to work on Vista 32bit. Tried it for Silent Hill.
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)I also meant to point out that just because using ForceCore seems to keep the lockups from happening, doesn't mean that multi-core cpu's are the main or only problem.
Molock
I have had no problems so far with my old AMD dual-core 3800+... can't say the same for my Intel core 2 duo 
(aweful experience). About quad-core, well there might be some problems, but you will be able to set up affinity and have GW run on one core.
(aweful experience). About quad-core, well there might be some problems, but you will be able to set up affinity and have GW run on one core.
Brianna
Yeah, one game I can tell you for sure doesn't work on my Dual Core is Thief: Deadly Shadows.
But I don't see why ForceCore wouldn't work on Vista, I mean all it really does is change the affinity of which an application runs on, doesn't even need to install.
I think it's just some old games in general have problems with Dual Cores, and like you mentioned above I have no idea why, some systems get problems and others don't.
But I don't see why ForceCore wouldn't work on Vista, I mean all it really does is change the affinity of which an application runs on, doesn't even need to install.
I think it's just some old games in general have problems with Dual Cores, and like you mentioned above I have no idea why, some systems get problems and others don't.
Admael
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Could the problem be something along these lines?
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;896256 |
Snograt
...like, possibly SP3?
Woop Shotty
GW won't be playable without 8-core. Go 8-core and thank me later /.
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Aera
I must say that updating my BIOS and flashing it safely has really made my PC more stable. I might actually try to run GW without ForceCore now
Numa Pompilius
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It probably is something that can be dealt with a simple hotfix/patch update.
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You guys with problems, don't miss the follow-up link from the page I linked to:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/909944/
Also, check for BIOS update from your motherboard manufacturer, and use the Windows Update feature. Like Admael I think the problem is fixable.
Quaker
Brianna - I didn't mean to imply that I couldn't get ForceCore to work in Vista (32bit), I just haven't gotten around to it yet. There's lots of other Vista glitches/annoyances/bugs to work out first. (plus, it may not be necessary - see below)
Numa Pompilius - I would have tried the Windows Update feature with XP, but all I would have gotten was a message warning me my "Windows may not be genuine".
But, come to think of it, my GW hasn't locked up (knock wood) since Vista did the auto-update to SP1. (My Vista is Genuine. )
So, in answer to the OPs original question - don't worry about GW locking up with a multi-core cpu. At the very worst you may want to run ForceCore, but that's all.
Numa Pompilius - I would have tried the Windows Update feature with XP, but all I would have gotten was a message warning me my "Windows may not be genuine".
But, come to think of it, my GW hasn't locked up (knock wood) since Vista did the auto-update to SP1. (My Vista is Genuine.
)So, in answer to the OPs original question - don't worry about GW locking up with a multi-core cpu. At the very worst you may want to run ForceCore, but that's all.
Snograt
Hmm, you should have had that nasty Windows Genuine Advantage Validator (yuk) downloaded at some stage.
Check this out: http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/faq.aspx
Check this out: http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/faq.aspx
Numa Pompilius
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Numa Pompilius - I would have tried the Windows Update feature with XP, but all I would have gotten was a message warning me my "Windows may not be genuine".
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If someone was reckless enough to try, I would however advice that person to make sure he downloads from a tech site which seems legit, and that whatever he downloads should not be an EXE file.
However, as you've got a legit copy a much better solution is of course to simply contact Microsoft support.
Snograt
It would be a sad day if we need to resort to WPA bypass hacks just to run a Genuine Windows install.
Wouldn't bloody surprise me, though
Wouldn't bloody surprise me, though
Admael
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GW won't be playable without 8-core. Go 8-core and thank me later
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With a killing machine like Skulltrail (I know it's not called Skulltrail anymore, but it sounds a hell of a lot cooler than what Intel's calling it) I'd expect more.
I'll have to break my bank for this one, tho
QX9770 X2 + QX9775 Skulltrail, that's enough to buy a small island.