I'm Really In A Bit Of A Frustrating Predicament To Do With Heroes! (LONG READ)

I'd say bring more damage to the table. Having 2 interupters is overkill. Bring another elementalist for damage i.e. SF Nuker, Bringing an MM is generally good although some places like Shards Of Orr don't have many corpses so it's basicly not a good idea to bring him with you there, and look up a better MM build you don't need that many summon minion spells. The third hero is kind of my interchangeable hero depending heavenly on what area I'm doing, in general I'll take a second SF Nuker although that may be unfavorable if you are playing an ele yourself. Otherwise I'd suggest a heal/energy support Paragon, a BiP Necro since h/h are poor at energy management, an SS necro, any other kind of non-melee damage dealer, an interupt/damage ranger, you could bring a condition/hex removal monk since hench aren't great at that with some additional healing/protective spells. In general a full interupter isn't that usefull in PvE.

it also depends if your doing hm or not

everyone likes sabway including me cos i dont have to worry about micromanaging them i just charge in and kil everything. thus making it easier in hm.

but my favourite setup for normal mode is just 2 monk healers /no protect/ 1 sh ele and the hench mesmer any spirit(gai) deadly(nika) necro(eve) mage(cynn) warrior(devona)

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I got my ass kicked, licked and sent home via postal mail many times in there. Tried a lot of different builds to counter them with no luck so i went with the next best strategy witch consist of: "Dead foes dont hurt you" I found out that they take double dmg from Holy attack so i came up with this little team.



Me as Holy ranger

With

2 Holy Dervish

1 protect monk hero with splinter weapon that is casted on me.

2 monk henchies 2 ele henchies and consummables. (consummable are optionnal in NM)

Bassically i run up to the mob with the 2 dervish and lauch "Light of Deldrimor" and "Eternal aura". What left of them (usually not much ), goes down pretty fast.

Take down the Cleric as fast as possible.

Edited: Im r 9 dwarf and r10 sunspear.

all of your heros bars are pretty bad, besides the rangers, that ones decent. although id drop the ranger to be honest. id check out sabway as the n/rts are pretty broken. also a curses necro would help you out ALOT

Like Kal says, bring more damage to the table. As is, your hero and hench choices don't do much for you. Your old setup has 3 monks, a warder and a redundant tank with your MM being all the meat shield you really need. That only really leaves you doing any damage and I can't even be sure of that until I see your ele's build too. In your second setup, you took out a monk for a redundant interrupter. Unfortunately, all that does is lower your survivability as your underpowered team can't last in a fight as long as when you had 3 monks. And you do find yourself in long fights, no? They shouldn't last more then 2-3 minutes.

As for which to bring, I can't really help as that mainly depends are where you are going. There is no one party setup that will get you completely through every area.

Some things you can change however, is you MM. Like everyone has said, you have far too many animate spells, there only a finite number of corpses around and a cap to the number of minions you can have. Reduce it to 2(3 at most), preferably one high cost(vamp horror or fiend) and a low cost(bone horror) one. And yes, Jagged Bones is a better elite. Another thing to consider is for your hero bars that only use its primary's skills, change its secondary to P for Signet of Return as a hard rez or M for Rez Chant/Renew Life.

It sounds like you are looking for a one solution fits all type approach. Been there done that, got the coffin and the 60%DP.

I try and keep up to date with the forums but wouldnt call myself an expert, I just borrow others knowledge but I give credit where due. Take a look at the vanquishing builds and Synergizing Hero builds.

An oldy but goody IMO is
1) MM (standard Jagged bones works best for me, Animate bone minion, blood of master, death nova, sig of lost souls, res (death pact?), plus 1-2 attack skills, basically Sab's MM)
2) Para w/anthem of flame, ToF, GftE
3) SF Ele or SH
Just remembered the poster, Zingers it is, all credit to him on that one but I found it works a treat, smashed a lot of Cantha w/that.

Sabway, yup i like it, its auto-pilot PVE espec in NM, for *most* areas

Most recently read some posts by AntiThesis and Rachtoh (god i hope i spelt that right!) that helped me a lot regarding team setup.
Monks - If you are going to use a Monk Hero, go for 1big heal (WoH?), 1 small heal (dwaynas kiss), 1 big prot, 1 small (Aegis, RoF (this is sooo good its not funny), hex removal, pos condition removal depending on team. Also no res. Yes i thought wot??? at this point. However it makes sense if you think about it, healer out of the game for 5 secs approx whilst he res' someone and not healing so another char goes down or but a res on your offensive char's..... makes sense once you see in action.

Spread the love - Dont put all your healing, hex removal and condition removal on your monk/monks. People use paragons with hexbreaker aria a lot, SoP i think it is to remove conditions, why? because it helps the team in general. Also consider 2-3 aegis, that 50% to block can help a lot. Also Para's have some nice shouts that can help most of the team with extra healing etc.
Another heal option whilst buffing the damage is a D/N Arcane Orders (look on PvXWiki) but I like Sab's N/Rt personally (yes i know sabway but it works for me!)

As I say do some more searching but there are reasons that people run/like Sab's and Zingers and Rachtoh's builds, they tend to work 80%+ of the time espec if you spend just a little time thinking about the overall team balance.
Oh yes and if you can find it AntiThesis has a nice E/Rt blindbot channeler (use the search on here), that works well to prevent melee damage.

Keep your chin up though and dont be put off, its trial and error but you will come up with something that works for you.

If im in game drop me a PM and ill show you a few builds ive collected on here and run and you can see if they work for you.

GL!

Hey I'm back now. I really can't thank you guys enough for all the time you've spent giving me detailed explanations & help, it's great. I've made sure to take everything said in this thread into account & will definitely be changing my hero builds for the better.

I have to pop out for a couple hours now though, but when I come back I'll try out the ideas & let you all know how they've worked for me.

Thanks again, you've been a great help!

-lose the mesmer. get a caster that does something.
-the BHA is fine. just watch his targets.
-get that necro a jagged bones bar. they are amazing with it and golem is terrible.
-fill the last slot with a N/Rt. make sure you get splinter, ancestors, remedy wep, SOLS and anything else you think looks IMBA.

What are you running on your ele?
Because SF guys just blow up the more of them you have. So personally I'd SURELY add a few more fire eles.
You could actually dump the monky hero and the mesmer one and replace them with fire Eles. That way you have 3 fire eles - and it would be sweet if they all specced into prot - 9 for the breakpoint for [skill]Aegis[/skill]. You don't really need maxed out e-storage and prot is a superb line to dump it into. Also add condition and hex-removal on those guys - can do all - or maybe one on each.
[skill]Fire Attunement[/skill][skill]Glowing Gaze[/skill][skill]Glyph Of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Searing Flames[/skill][skill]Aegis[/skill] condition and/or hex removal/[skill]Protective Spirit[/skill] (PS is just insanely overpowered and it's very nice to have on a bar that you can access)
That way you can pretty much keep Aegis up all the time!

MMs don't do much for me these days - unless we are in some really easy areas - so you could even switch him out for a 4th ele (can either go fire again - or you can go a mix of air for [skill]Blinding Surge[/skill] and earth for some wards) - or keep him and bring more a bit more utility on him. Stuff like ench removal is sweet!


Ohh and the most important thing is that you get a few nice builds that work and then switch out the guys depending on what you need. Because you don't REALLY need to always run the same thing over and over again.

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