What's your opinion on purchasing items from gold farmers in game?
guolisong
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Talarian
How do you know its a "gold farmer" and not just someone who farms for fun/got a lucky drop/has been playing since the dawn of time?
Bryant Again
They make things a bit more laggy, but that's about it. /shrug
Talarian
Still don't get how you know, I have stacks of most things people want to buy, and will sell all at the same time if I need the money. If I were to know though, I can't say I'd have a problem with it, they have to put in time and effort to get these things after all, the fact they are being paid is irrelevant.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by guolisong
I'm not asking your opinion on gold farmers I'm asking for the opinion on purchasing from gold farmers.
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Unholy Tank V
yes besides the fact that they are ruining the economy, their time and effort shouldn't go unrewarded *Sarcasm*
Talarian
If that's what you wanted to know, you should be asking about people's opinions on RMT companies. Of course selling gold for real money is wrong, it breaks the game. But that isn't what you asked 
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Talarian
If that's what you wanted to know, you should be asking about people's opinions on RMT companies. Of course selling gold for real money is wrong, it breaks the game. But that isn't what you asked
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I'm totally against gold sellers in typical MMO's such as WoW, but Guild Wars isn't "typical" (nor is it an MMO but that's not the point in my post). The most essential items are easy to get. Everything after that is nothing but vanity.
Sorry Andrew, but that's how I feel.
miskav
It happens anyway, so you might aswell jump on the bandwagon :P
DivineEnvoy
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Originally Posted by guolisong
So how about the they sell the gold they get from you for real money part?
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Originally Posted by guolisong
They typically only understands simple English words.
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Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy
You are only supporting gold sellers if you purchase gold with your money in real life.
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N8mare
STOP repeating the same bull*** about RMT breaking the economy.
In the real world the more money flows into the market - the higher the prices go. It is called INFLATION.
In Guild Wars there is no "outside" source of money. The platinums are farmed in game and they remain in game. The only thing that changes is the owner.
Do you see inflation in GW? of course not - the prices are not rising, they are FALLING! Not because RMT, but because Arena Net, which implemented Zaishen chests and Ursan.
Please, please please... stop behave like 8 y.o. and repeat what you heard from G. Gray.
Use your brains!
In the real world the more money flows into the market - the higher the prices go. It is called INFLATION.
In Guild Wars there is no "outside" source of money. The platinums are farmed in game and they remain in game. The only thing that changes is the owner.
Do you see inflation in GW? of course not - the prices are not rising, they are FALLING! Not because RMT, but because Arena Net, which implemented Zaishen chests and Ursan.
Please, please please... stop behave like 8 y.o. and repeat what you heard from G. Gray.
Use your brains!
upier
I am too cheap to waste real life money on virtual gold.
Otherwise - of course I wouldn't have a problem obtaining it! I play to have fun and I have fun getting and trying out new stuff. Hence - I need gold! And this would help me obtain it.
A win-win situation for me!
Otherwise - of course I wouldn't have a problem obtaining it! I play to have fun and I have fun getting and trying out new stuff. Hence - I need gold! And this would help me obtain it.
A win-win situation for me!
Lord Darksoul
Meh, it doesn't matter to me. I'm doing something completely legal, I neither care what the guy does with the gold, and rarely even know what he'll do with the gold. It's ANet's job to shutdown ppl like that. I'm just here buying what I need with my legally made gold.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by upier
I am too cheap to waste real life money on virtual gold.
Otherwise - of course I wouldn't have a problem obtaining it! I play to have fun and I have fun getting and trying out new stuff. Hence - I need gold! And this would help me obtain it. A win-win situation for me! |
upier
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Doh, you did the same mishap I did. He's talking about buying items (like unidentified golds for like 1k each) from the gold sellers, not buying gold from their websites.
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I guess not ...
So on-topic:
If those guys don't have a secret trick to be able to craft armour and are selling it for much cheaper then that bastard armour crafter - there isn't much I need from them.
And the few times that I need stuff from other player - the guys with the lowest price get my business.
Once again - I am cheap.
Ork Pride
I really didn't care.
Gli
I'll buy anything from anyone as long as I like the deal. What happens next isn't my problem. I'm playing a game, not helping ANet run it.
Talarian
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Originally Posted by N8mare
STOP repeating the same bull*** about RMT breaking the economy.
In the real world the more money flows into the market - the higher the prices go. It is called INFLATION. In Guild Wars there is no "outside" source of money. The platinums are farmed in game and they remain in game. The only thing that changes is the owner. Do you see inflation in GW? of course not - the prices are not rising, they are FALLING! Not because RMT, but because Arena Net, which implemented Zaishen chests and Ursan. Please, please please... stop behave like 8 y.o. and repeat what you heard from G. Gray. Use your brains! |
In the GW economy, the difference between normal and inferior goods is a lot more extreme than it is in the real world. Things such as tomes, runes, mods, these are all inferior goods. If you stumbled across a r9 crystalline from the Zaishen chest, you wouldn't sell it to buy more tomes.
Normal goods are things like rare skinned weapons and rare minipets. And prices for these HAVE been going up, to the point where the casual gamer CANNOT afford them.
In addition, the fact that these people farm intensively DOES cause more money to enter the economy. Without, for example, tome sellers, people would have to spend their money at skill traders, thus taking up to 1k out of the economy per skill. As items have a value in game, the very existence of more items means there is more money in the economy. It is called GDP, or gross domestic product, the value of all goods and services produced in an economy.
Ergo, RMT DOES break the GW economy, because it provides the casual gamer with items they would not normally have, and the hardcore with more money for their goods that they would not normally get.
DivineEnvoy
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Well, you'd be buying items from them and giving them gold - gold that they'll later use to sell in real-life purchases. So in a sense, you *are* supporting them, whether or not you know it.
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Originally Posted by guolisong
Where do you think they get the in game gold from? Merching items to merchant? LOl?
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Originally Posted by guolisong
Experience is all I can say for that. I'm not here to justify who are the gold farmers.
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ricocheting
i'm with Talarian & N8mare. your assumption that someone is a goldseller just because they have a lot of something, or a wide variety of something is .... yeah ....
when i bother to sell items, i usually will list 4-5 kinds of +30hp mods in a single ad. it tends to sell better. same with tomes. no powerseller in their right mind tries to sell one item at a time. it completely kills your profit because you waste so much time trying to sell something that has "meh" value at best (like tomes). the only way you make a decent profit is if you stock them up till you have enough to warrant sitting in a trade district for a couple hours trying to sell everything at once.
that said, I personally would have no problem obtaining items from someone that was a "professional farmer."
when i bother to sell items, i usually will list 4-5 kinds of +30hp mods in a single ad. it tends to sell better. same with tomes. no powerseller in their right mind tries to sell one item at a time. it completely kills your profit because you waste so much time trying to sell something that has "meh" value at best (like tomes). the only way you make a decent profit is if you stock them up till you have enough to warrant sitting in a trade district for a couple hours trying to sell everything at once.
that said, I personally would have no problem obtaining items from someone that was a "professional farmer."
dubiel005
buying from gold farmers? wtb unid gold 7=3k
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy
Nonetheless, the trade itself is still legal. How the seller will make the use of the gold gained from the trade is really his or her own responsibility. Therefore, for being the buyers of these items, we have only participated the legit part of the game with these sellers, and we aren't responsible to what they do with the gold; hence, that's why they are banned if they breach EULA, while we still have rights to keep playing the game.
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DarkWasp
Gold sellers and buyers?
TO HELL WITH THEM!
TO HELL WITH THEM!
DivineEnvoy
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Originally Posted by guolisong
Because do you get 100k a day from merching whites and purples? No I don't think so. If you've ever seen a gold seller company ad they sell buy 100k not 100g.
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Secondly, gold selling companies tend to use bots to farm their gold, and I'm not sure what do they do with the drops, but from the way I see how fifty Monks would hug the merchant in one of those towns, I'm guessing they do sell their drops to the merchant.
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Originally Posted by guolisong
Stop arguing with me here and go to hot spring yourself, put up an wtb ad and see what kind of sellers you get. I speak Chinese, and I've bought from Chinese gold farmers. If you speak Chinese go ask them. No it's not prejudice because I actually talk to Chinese gold farmers and that's how I know if that satisfy your curiosity.
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Doesn't matter if it's legal or not. You *are*supporting them when you give them your gold when you buy something from them, unknowingly or not. You can't be held responsible for it and you may have good intentions, but the fact remains that the gold seller is still walking away with more money to sell online.
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Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy
What's really the point of knowing this? Will you stop to trade with other players just because any one of them can be these gold sellers?
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N8mare
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Originally Posted by Talarian
If you're going to talk about economics, do it properly. There are two main types of goods - normal goods and inferior goods.
Normal goods are things like rare skinned weapons and rare minipets. And prices for these HAVE been going up. |
DivineEnvoy
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
lol, no. As stated above I could care less about how much gold someone has. The most expensive items do nothing but be rare and look different. I'm only merely pointing out that "you are only supporting gold sellers if you purchase gold with your money in real life" is not true.
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Malice Black
I've bought tons of stuff from gold sellers/farmers. This is why I have every mod possible unlocked on my account.
Talarian
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Originally Posted by N8mare
Compare the prices of eternal blades, pandas or such "normal goods" over the last several months and stop talking nonsense.
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Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy
I agree with you, but what I'm concerning with is the bandwagon effect that will be placed with these kinds of threads. Before we know it, we'll probably have people who will assume that they are violating EULA because they happen to support gold sellers in this sense, and eventually we'll have threads made by people who would like to demand their accounts not to be terminated by Anet and a whole other things. In short, wouldn't it be easier to end this with the previous given statement?
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If we *do* see a lot large intake of people making threads say "WELL YOU LETS PEOPLE BUY STUFF FROM GOLDSELLERS," then they're gonna be full of stupid because as a player there's no way to tell if you're buying from one.
Talarian
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The point of this is to show their RMT policy does nothing as long as the bandwagon effect plays. Anyone that has a brain knows assuming everyone's a gold farmer is simply stupid. I specifically said go to hot springs international and that's where a good portion of the gold farmers do their trade at.
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Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by guolisong
There are obvious ones that you can tell. My SS says all.
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Talarian
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I believe they said they ban about 5000+ accounts per week. I'm not sure what you meant about banning RMT companies? How do you ban a company? I know the gold farmers I talk to get banned regularly yet they get new accounts soon enough anyway.
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Talarian
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I've yet seen a reduction of gold farmers in HSI since that RMT was out. I'm not sure how much profit those companies make buy selling in game gold. Here is what I know gold farmers get paid 20RMB for 100k, which is about 2.67 dollars. And with players actively engage in the act of purchasing from gold farmers, weekend events are like boosts frankly.
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DivineEnvoy
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How long do you think it takes you to get to 100k by merching? Certainly not 1 day.
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Quoting your question How do you know that?
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The point of this is to show their RMT policy does nothing as long as the bandwagon effect plays. Anyone that has a brain knows assuming everyone's a gold farmer is simply stupid. I specifically said go to hot springs international and that's where a good portion of the gold farmers do their trade at.
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Talarian
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Originally Posted by guolisong
lol...how long will that take a couple months? I'm sure active buyers for the gold farmer and gold company will keep them alive for a very long time ooh maybe when gw2 comes out they'd die out and move on to gw2
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enter_the_zone
Buying items from people who WTS is a game mechanic. I want the item, he wants the cash, it's all kosher in game. What he does with the gold isn't my concern, but if I feel it's a bot, I'll report it.
DivineEnvoy
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Originally Posted by guolisong
Outside of hotspring? Do not think so
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Originally Posted by guolisong
They do not keep trade logs because I'm sure they said they can't do anything to help those who mistakenly purchased items that worth 1k for 10k instead.
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Tijger
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I'm not asking your opinion on gold farmers I'm asking for the opinion on purchasing from gold farmers. |
And if all the dumbasses who buy gold online for real money would stop the problem would be solved anyway.