Dungeon Difficulty Level.

Speaking about SoO: If you can arrange it, a couple dervs with Avatar of Melandru and Heart of Holy Flame really clean up Shard's. Why Melandru? I'd have guessed Balthazar for Holy damage. I'm not saying you're wrong, and I realise that immunity to conditions and +100 hp is good. But Half damage taken, + double damage given + 33% faster run speed is kinda imba vs. undead.... no?

Why Melandru? I'd have guessed Balthazar for Holy damage. I'm not saying you're wrong, and I realise that immunity to conditions and +100 hp is good. But Half damage taken, + double damage given + 33% faster run speed is kinda imba vs. undead.... no? Because the amount of conditions flying around in there is insane. The Dervish would be spending half the time blind under Balth. With AoM you can avoid that, giving your monks an easier time.

What the hell - vloxen was second dungeon i did at EOTN (not counting heart of the shiverpeaks). I played necro, 1 support para-hero, 2 healer heros, then fire hench, earth hench, fighter hench and blood hench. Just steamrolled it, thought died once at the end boss because i forget to flag heros. I think i'm trying Slaver's Excile some day if you really say thats easier than vloxen. Vloxen on NM is easy. Vloxen on HM is a pain in the ass. It takes the Slavers Exile versions of the Summit.

All the Summit are able to res, you have Warders setting off Sandstorms all over the place with Dreamers and Contaminators spreading hexes and conditions across your party and then just to top it off the Summoners begin to build a nice army of exploding minions from the corpses of your party. And this is all with the HM Enemy Bonuses active.

When i was going for the LMotN title i found that single dungeon to be the hardest. Its not impossible with H/H but it would probably be a challenge.

So I can take my Koss or something alike and make him total protection (defensive skills) and 2 protter monks to keep him alive. Then as Henchies I take the healer Cynn for damage and? 2 spots left. Also what should I do myself? I can FC nuke or go Domination Interrupt. If It's needed I can Obs Tank too but that makes it harder to get to the dungeon.

I'm talking about HM ofc. You can run there without much trouble in HM. Just start from Longeyes, go east across the top about 3/4 of the way then head down past the Charr Fort. Watch the patrols and you can get around them quite easily, no running skills required. Same method for getting to Sacnoth aswell.

I do agree though that Ooze Pit HM is very hard. Took me 6-7 attempts to complete it on my Rit. The AoE damage in that place is staggering. If you don't focus the damage onto a single target then you can kiss your group goodbye. How you do that is up to you. I ended up doing it with a guildie (necromancer) and heroes. The only way to focus the damage was for one of us to act as a tank. I went as a Rt/E Obs Tank, ghost forge armour and vital weapon and we had a hero monk use Life Barrier on the whole party. I'd take the brunt of the attacks, pull everything together then the rest would nuke the hell out of them. Usually had 1-2 stragglers which were no problem to handle. The volatile oozes were hitting me for 13 damage if i remember right

Tanking the bosses was easy. If they can't cast they can't hurt you. All heroes were flagged back, i'd tank them and my guildie would keep comming in and put Insidious Parasite on one of them until it died. Their healing skill doesn't work against IP and without spells they'll just attack you constantly. When one died i would back off and let the ooze kill me, my guildie would rez me then i'd tank the ooze, kill them then kill the next boss.

I usually don't go for tank 'n' spank builds but the AoE damage in that place is huuuuge. I actually found Vloxen HM to be easier. And Shards is a joke if you take 4 AoE smiters and an AoE KD. Only problem is the boss. Whoever thought that encounter up should be shot.

EDIT: As Tain said using a "pure" tank is bad-when I say "tank" I usually mean a warrior with a couple survival skills (Endure Pain, some antiknockdown, and some form of self heal with the rest as attack skills). Remember-having a person who's sole purpose is to tank means one less damage dealer in the group! Sometimes you run up against an area you just can't seem to do. Maybe you're just having a bad day or maybe you just can't figure out what to do. I'd tried everything i could think of with H/H and just couldn't get it. After 6-7 attempts and failure every time i'd just about had enough so i resorted to a tank'n'spank setup. It's cheap, fairly easy, boring and has a skill level about equivalent to Ursan, all things i try and stay away from. But it worked for me.

I H/H'd my way through Vloxen HM on my second attempt after few tweaks to the team setup and without a tank. Ooze Pit was just one of those areas that was getting me more and more angry. Maybe if i'd have gone and done something else then come back the next day i'd have had more luck but it was just pissing me off. I wasn't letting it off that easy

Still haven't thought of a good non-Ursan way for Vloxen HM yet. I will try the Frozen Soil trick-works great in Slaver's so it should do wonders there. Plus with me now being an invinci-para that should make things easier. Anything that works well in Slavers also works well in Vloxen. Frozen Soil reeeeealy helps. MM or corpse exploitation is nearly a must. Also the MM boss on level 2 is a nightmare without reliable shutdown/careful luring. He raises high level minions faster than you can and he spams [skill]deathly swarm[/skill] all the time which hits 60AL for 370dmg from him. Also his group is pretty large. Other than him and the Slavers style Summit groups the place isn't that bad. The regular Summit aren't very hard. There's just 4-5 groups in there that really up the difficulty level.

When I usually give advice I normally give it assuming you have access to humans-so my advice prolly won't work for H/H. i have access to human players, but i don't think any of them run PvE God mode,, unfortunately. So I''ll have to make do with what I can get. Don't get my wrong I really appreciate all the tips in here guys.

i have access to human players, but i don't think any of them run PvE God mode,, unfortunately. So I''ll have to make do with what I can get. Don't get my wrong I really appreciate all the tips in here guys. Give them cookies and I bet one of them could be persuaded

But you can easily make due if you have a couple warrior buddies-I'm a big proponent of the "tank wall"-give a couple warriors (you can make due with Dervs and Sins if you have to) some utility skills and attack skills, have them line up, and then smack around anyone stupid enough not to go around.

A good one is Dolyak Signet-decent armor+anti knockdown-but if they need to move quickly it kinda falls apart.

For attacks it's usually either Triple Chop/Cyclone Axe/Whirlwind Attack or DSlash/Whirlwind Attack. Have someone throw Splinter Weapon or Great Dwarf Weapon around and you have a recipe for pain AND you can further enhance this with Order of Pain (or Vampire) and the Ebon Ward of Honor.

While a PvE God Mode player is nice-it's not neccessary-we were doing dungeons without them for a while before I thought to use DSlash to power SY (sadly like 20 other people thought of it before me ). All you really need is judicious placement of your frontline with the right skills.

The relative difficulty of HM dungeons depends on how you tackle them. Herohenching has its specific weak and strong points that differ from those of a balanced team of real players that differ from those of a lolpwnage ursan team. Having H+H'd almost every HM dungeon including Rragar's and Vloxen (clean runs, no consumables to boost performance) my experiences most closely resemble Charr's and Richardt's lists. if u dont mind me asking how did u h/h some of the hard ones like vloxen, rragars, shards, and the one with all the fire eles next to the burning forest.

Also the MM boss on level 2 is a nightmare without reliable shutdown/careful luring. What many people don't know about 2 Stone Summit bosses on lvel 2 is that they are not part of the large group that is with them, so you can quite easily lure the group to a place where they won't bother you and just deal with the boss.