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Fear Me!

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

E/R

25 Mar 2008 at 00:18 - 1

All the DOA quests regarding him show that he was a dedicated servant to the Canthan empire, and that it was his soul that was corrupted that made him the way he was; inspiration for this idea taken from the several npc dialogues from the quest 'A history of violence'. If I can enter a demonic domain and defeat a chained down god, surely, I can redeem Shiro's soul? I don't want him to have his boss skills, but merely want the opportunity to redeem him and have the option to join as a hero whatever-his-prof-is. It would be nice to redeem him and have him turned against Abaddon, or the remaining infrastructure. Why Shiro, and not Varesh or The lich? The npc dialogues from the aforementioned quest prove that he was a good person, and that his soul was corrupted by a demon, the others didn't need to be corrupted as they already were. Tragic heroes ftw.

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Originally Posted by Fear Me!

I've read through the many replies. There are some people who would like to redeem a fallen hero like Shiro, but then others don't want him because he's a sin, and then others only if he comes with his boss skills. What if after you redeem Shiro, you instead receive an item that can summon him as he is with all his boss skills as an npc helper to the party; he'll stay with you even if you die, and he himself ressurects with the party much like the EOTN quest npc's, but leaves once you zone? You could summon him via an item much like the black moa chick quest; a box that requires materials to sacrifice to summon him. There would be a total boss npc limit of one of course, you can't have all party members summon eight Shiros. It could go something like 'sacrifice however many ectos anet deems appropriate to justify a boss npc summons'. As for the mention of Kilroy Stonekin, you could use the same item, but you must place for example, ten level 5 alcohols in there in order for him to show. What do you guys think?

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

25 Mar 2008 at 00:22 - 2

So if you killed the demon which corrupted him, thus freeing him (assuming a spell), he would want to serve the Canthan Empire again? Would the Canthan empire want Shiro to help them?

It sort of makes sense, and there's alot more to it, but I don't think it'd work.

Luminarus

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Sydney, Australia

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25 Mar 2008 at 00:35 - 3

Nice Idea...

1 Problem hes a sin...

So we would gain another useless hero coz hero sin AI is flawed too much :P

Id luv it if they could fix the stupid sin AI (which i'd hope could be fixed first)

Free Runner

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

GW2G

Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

25 Mar 2008 at 01:29 - 4

Making Shiro a hero would screw up the lore. His spirit was destroyed once and for all in the Realm of Torment meaning to bring him up as a hero Anet would have to create a whole new excuse as to why he is still around. Plus it would not make sense - why would Shiro fight alongside those who killed him not once but twice?.

There is also no need for another Assassin Hero.

/notsigned

Trick

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2008

25 Mar 2008 at 02:16 - 5

I wouldnt use him even if you could, he killed my balding friend!

Bront

Wilds Pathfinder

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W/Me

25 Mar 2008 at 02:19 - 6

It would be nice to have 3 heroes of each type, but I don't think Shiro would be a good candidate for the 3rd sin.

legion_rat

Desert Nomad

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668 the neighbor of the beast

TFK

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25 Mar 2008 at 02:20 - 7

/not signed as I dont see it working over all with the current story. and I think shiro is a prick. I do like the idea of redeeming someone and adding a new hero, just not him.

to the people hating on the sin AI, try crit/barrage. they use it pretty well. Of course its all they use pretty well but they can use it.

~the rat~

Nyree

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

Brazil

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R/Rt

25 Mar 2008 at 02:23 - 8

Sure! Why not! How about giving us Varesh and The Lich as heroes too?

Sir Pandra Pierva

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25 Mar 2008 at 02:40 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trick

I wouldnt use him even if you could, he killed my balding friend!

balding? i think togo needed to die for being annoying and useless the whole game

only for that action did shiro actualyl become one of my more liked guildwars characters

Marverick

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

R/

25 Mar 2008 at 02:41 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by legion_rat

/not signed as I dont see it working over all with the current story. and I think shiro is a prick. I do like the idea of redeeming someone and adding a new hero, just not him.

to the people hating on the sin AI, try crit/barrage. they use it pretty well. Of course its all they use pretty well but they can use it.

~the rat~

They use crit barrage pretty well because it's a crap build to begin with, so when compared to a player playing one, a hero performs "pretty well" with it.

Winterclaw

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25 Mar 2008 at 02:51 - 11

There are a lot of other characters I'd like to see as heroes first. Shiro, with his unique skills, would be difficult to fit in.

Konig Des Todes

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25 Mar 2008 at 03:56 - 12

My favorite boss as a hero? O.O I would love that!

But sadly, that won't be put in. And Free Runner, you sure his soul was destroyed? It never says that he was gone forever, so it would be easy to put him back in, same with the Lich and Varesh.

Before Shiro becomes a hero, I think Palawa Joko should replace Master of Whispers.

shru

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

25 Mar 2008 at 04:05 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Someone Above Me

It would be nice to have 3 heroes of each type

Zomg hows about Togo as 3rd rit hero, and kormir as 3rd paragon, oh oh, and Varesh as 3rd dervish hero! We could realy use more anoying NPCs returning from the dead/god duties to bombared us with their greatness and awe inspiring wisdom.

/not signed because I had to wait nearly TWO full games to get rid of him

Bront

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2008

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25 Mar 2008 at 05:12 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by shru

Zomg hows about Togo as 3rd rit hero, and kormir as 3rd paragon, oh oh, and Varesh as 3rd dervish hero! We could realy use more anoying NPCs returning from the dead/god duties to bombared us with their greatness and awe inspiring wisdom.

/not signed because I had to wait nearly TWO full games to get rid of him

I never said anything about making currently popular stoyline NPCs heroes, just that having 3 of each type (instead of 3 of some, and 2 of others) would be nice.

Maybe I want to see how much fail a group of 3 Sin heroes would be.

Saint Zeth

Ascalonian Squire

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25 Mar 2008 at 05:24 - 15

/signed

Only if he comes with Impossible Odds.

DarkFlame

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Ascalon

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25 Mar 2008 at 05:39 - 16

He's dead. Leave him in his grave.

Konig Des Todes

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25 Mar 2008 at 07:22 - 17

A second thought about NPC becoming heroes. The only NPCs that I see that could even work out with the current storyline is Devona, Mhenlo, Eve, Aiden, and Cynn becoming heroes. That of course won't happen but would be more likely then Shiro (or any other sarcastic additions to heroes) becoming a hero.

But like I said, isn't going to happen because anet would have to remove the hench versions, make every mission excluding the shing jea missions and the luxon missions a "Mhenlo must be in party" and remove the Mhenlo NPC in those missions, then remove some current heroes which are side heroes of the same profession so that there will only be 25 heroes. The heroes most likely to be removed would be Olias for Eve, Goren for Devona, no clue about Mhenlo, all 3 monk heroes deal with the storylines, Jin for Aiden, and Sousuke for Cynn. Again, that idea won't happen, but if any NPC becomes a hero, it should/would be those 5.

myrealnameismatt

Ascalonian Squire

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[any]

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25 Mar 2008 at 08:12 - 18

Kilroy stonekin please!!

That skill he uses would be pretty useful in just about any situation ;D

Chilos

Frost Gate Guardian

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Oulu, in magical land called Finland

25 Mar 2008 at 11:48 - 19

ABADDON!!!!!!

/notsigned. Dude, why nemesis would join us?

Sethellington

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nn

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25 Mar 2008 at 12:37 - 20

i'd never use him cos he'd be a sin. sin heroes ftl

MithranArkanere

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Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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25 Mar 2008 at 12:51 - 21

It would be nice to have another quests in the Heart of Abaddon.

After taking Razah, you can go back there to find the Envoys.
Then as in a 'trial by fire', you fight them to defend the cause of Varesh, Shiro, Rurik and other NPCs tainted and deceived by Abaddon's power.

Once defeated, The Vizier has to stay there for a while due to his sins, but the rest are free and can go to the Mysts...

...or maybe even follow you.

RiKio

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2007

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25 Mar 2008 at 19:07 - 22

The Vizier was corrupted too.

/notsigned, after all. That would be the biggest e-peen ever.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

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Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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25 Mar 2008 at 20:03 - 23

Razah was also special nd no one goes around with him in the Prmeval armor as an ePeen.

I use Xandra, by the way, xD

RiKio

Krytan Explorer

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25 Mar 2008 at 20:53 - 24

Razah isnt a god-like character.

Captain Miken

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25 Mar 2008 at 21:04 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiKio

Razah isnt a god-like character.

Razah was supposed to be an x/x profession hero that made it out of the Mists.

But then ANet failed.

RiKio

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2007

Plato's Cave

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25 Mar 2008 at 21:07 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Miken

Razah was supposed to be an x/x profession hero that made it out of the Mists.

But then ANet failed.

No. His quotes are epic. Also, I think a X/X hero....well.. wouldnt be a good idea.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

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25 Mar 2008 at 21:19 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiKio

Razah isnt a god-like character.

Shiro isn't either. He was an envoy, but he quit and became a living human again... and then a dead spirit and... well... anything far from a god.

Razah is... hm... something more like demons.

Konig Des Todes

Ooo, pretty flower

Join Date: Jan 2008

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25 Mar 2008 at 21:48 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

It would be nice to have another quests in the Heart of Abaddon.

After taking Razah, you can go back there to find the Envoys.
Then as in a 'trial by fire', you fight them to defend the cause of Varesh, Shiro, Rurik and other NPCs tainted and deceived by Abaddon's power.

Once defeated, The Vizier has to stay there for a while due to his sins, but the rest are free and can go to the Mysts...

...or maybe even follow you.

Rurik wasn't tainted by Abaddon's power...

And Razah is a demon, not "like a demon" :P

RiKio

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2007

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25 Mar 2008 at 21:51 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Shiro isn't either. He was an envoy, but he quit and became a living human again... and then a dead spirit and... well... anything far from a god.

Sorry. I meant Shiro, Varesh and the rest are cool, because they are end-game enemies. Razah isnt.

Konig Des Todes

Ooo, pretty flower

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25 Mar 2008 at 21:55 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiKio

Sorry. I meant Shiro, Varesh and the rest are cool, because they are end-game enemies. Razah isnt.

Varesh isn't an endgame enemy. You kill her on the 4th to last mission, not the last. She is the same as Kuunavang and Glint, a main boss before the final boss.

Artorius.Maximus

Lion's Arch Merchant

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25 Mar 2008 at 22:08 - 31

While I have pretty much no opinion on the subject (Sin heroes are pretty bad IMO), it would be rather wierd to take Shiro in to fight himself in Imperial Sanctum or Gate of Madness.

/don't care

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

25 Mar 2008 at 22:27 - 32

Wow...that makes no sense at all. Even if Shiro was originally corrupted by Abaddon, the events of Factions and NF indicate that he is plenty evil on his own by this point. Killing random civilians and using them as your deformed servants is not cool man, nor is sucking the life energy out of someone so you can be mortal again. If he wanted to be redeemed, he would have just been a good little envoy like the others; but no, he wanted revenge and power.

And BTW, we kill the fortune teller demon who corrupted him...and then later fought him in Gate of Madness anyway. Seems like he was acting of his own free will at that point.

MithranArkanere

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25 Mar 2008 at 22:34 - 33

He was prideful, but not 'evil'.

Why was him in the Domain of Madness? When a spirit is corrupted it no longer chooses, it only... goes bananas.

Fear Me!

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

E/R

27 Mar 2008 at 04:58 - 34

I've read through the many replies. There are some people who would like to redeem a fallen hero like Shiro, but then others don't want him because he's a sin, and then others only if he comes with his boss skills. What if after you redeem Shiro, you instead receive an item that can summon him as he is with all his boss skills as an npc helper to the party; he'll stay with you even if you die, and he himself ressurects with the party much like the EOTN quest npc's, but leaves once you zone? You could summon him via an item much like the black moa chick quest; a box that requires materials to sacrifice to summon him. There would be a total boss npc limit of one of course, you can't have all party members summon eight Shiros. It could go something like 'sacrifice however many ectos anet deems appropriate to justify a boss npc summons'. As for the mention of Kilroy Stonekin, you could use the same item, but you must place for example, ten level 5 alcohols in there in order for him to show. What do you guys think?

Widowmaker

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

N/

27 Mar 2008 at 05:13 - 35

/signed because I like Shiro

I spent the whole of Factions wanting to side with him anyway....

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

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Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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27 Mar 2008 at 13:24 - 36

Anyways, you'll probably won't get Shiro himself as he is when we fight him, just a 'weakened copy'.

The best example is Sarevok in Baldur's Gate II:Throne of Bhaal.

He is no loner what he was before, and you can even turn him into your alignment (I turned most evil party members into good or neutral ones while playing, XD)

pumpkin pie

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behind you

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08 Jun 2009 at 04:40 - 37

no use getting another hero if the heroes slots are limited to 3

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

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A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

08 Jun 2009 at 05:11 - 38

/not signed.

Another hero (of any profession) would be a waste of time to incorporate into the game.

Shayne Hawke

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Clan Dethryche [dth]

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08 Jun 2009 at 13:21 - 39

I would have no problem with adding heroes to bring any groups with only two up to three - Mesmer, Ritualist, Assassin, Dervish, and Paragon. I'm not begging for this though, because as long as there are three Necros, I'm pretty much not inclined to use much else.

MagmaRed

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08 Jun 2009 at 13:59 - 40

Over a year between posts.... gotta love thread necros. I'd like an additional Mez, Sin, Rit, and Para hero, but not Shiro. Shiro is too involved in the story to make into a hero that makes any sense.