Attack Speed Increase Skills?
bisurge
How come nobody uses attack speed increase skills? (Frenzy, flurry, lightning reflexes, tiger's fury, those are only the ones I know of)
FlamingMetroid
Assassins- Crit Agility
Wars- Flail, Frenzy
Rangers- dont need them
Dervs- to overpowered as it is to be given a decent maintainable one
Wars- Flail, Frenzy
Rangers- dont need them
Dervs- to overpowered as it is to be given a decent maintainable one
2048
Uh... I'm not sure where you've been for the past 3 years, but those have all been essential parts of a GOOD build, as far as I know, so....
uhh yeah
not much else to say
uhh yeah
not much else to say
bisurge
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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid
Assassins- Crit Agility
Wars- Flail, Frenzy Rangers- dont need them Dervs- to overpowered as it is to be given a decent maintainable one |
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Originally Posted by 2048
Uh... I'm not sure where you've been for the past 3 years, but those have all been essential parts of a GOOD build, as far as I know, so....
uhh yeah not much else to say |
Alex the Great
what are you talking about!!!!!
IF you don't use them you officially suck!!!!!!
Frenzy and flail are common, and i use flurry on a sin
IF you don't use them you officially suck!!!!!!
Frenzy and flail are common, and i use flurry on a sin
Macks Mistress
I use them...and pretty much everyone I play with uses them.
Are you pugging alot? If so...there is your answer.
Are you pugging alot? If so...there is your answer.
Mesmer in Need
People do use the, alot. I have no idea where you came up with that idea. Alot of low levels may not have access to these yet, however. An IAS (increase attack speed) can greatly increase a melee or ranged attacker greatly.
RavagerOfDreams
most melee classes do use a ias
dunno where you been looking all the melee people i kno use a ias :S
wars - flail, frenzy
sins- critical agility, tigers stance, flurry
dervs- heart of fury, pious fury
rangers - rapid fire (not used much cuz rangers don't need a ias)
paras- agressive refrain
dunno where you been looking all the melee people i kno use a ias :S
wars - flail, frenzy
sins- critical agility, tigers stance, flurry
dervs- heart of fury, pious fury
rangers - rapid fire (not used much cuz rangers don't need a ias)
paras- agressive refrain
shoyon456
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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid
Wars- Flail, Frenzy
Dervs- to overpowered as it is to be given a decent maintainable one |
And on the derv topic, yeah pious fury is not a greatly maintained IAS, but Heart of Fury is routinely used in dervish builds
In short, almost all classes that rely on melee damage will have some form of IAS, whether in pvp or pve
Tyla
No IAS on your common Warrior = bad Warrior.
No IAS on your common Dervish = bad Dervish.
No IAS on your common Paragon = bad Paragon. (And Paragons get the most imba IAS in the game...)
Rangers don't need one.
@Shoyon456 -- Frenzy on a non-Warrior is suicidal. And where is this PvP a Dervish is using Flail...?
No IAS on your common Dervish = bad Dervish.
No IAS on your common Paragon = bad Paragon. (And Paragons get the most imba IAS in the game...)
Rangers don't need one.
@Shoyon456 -- Frenzy on a non-Warrior is suicidal. And where is this PvP a Dervish is using Flail...?
bisurge
How about melee rangers like the Berserker's Fury one on the builds directory?
Tyla
Melee Rangers are gimmicky, degenerate builds that deserve to be degenerated.
ShadowsRequiem
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Originally Posted by tyla salanari
No IAS on your common Warrior = bad Warrior.
No IAS on your common Dervish = bad Dervish. No IAS on your common Paragon = bad Paragon. (And Paragons get the most imba IAS in the game...) Rangers don't need one. @Shoyon456 -- Frenzy on a non-Warrior is suicidal. And where is this PvP a Dervish is using Flail...? |
even with low Str flail still gives you a solid time.
Berserker stance is trash. Use flail or Frenzy. Bring a cancel stance incase you are taking to much damage
FlamingMetroid
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Originally Posted by bisurge
How about melee rangers like the Berserker's Fury one on the builds directory?
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melee builds like bunny thumper and escape way pop up every now and then, but interruption and pressure is the way to go.
ShadowsRequiem
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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid
no, interrupt people with bows
melee builds like bunny thumper and escape way pop up every now and then, but interruption and pressure is the way to go. |
Tyla
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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem
ummmm maybe its suicidal if you have no clue what you are doing......
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Being in Frenzy and being under fire is already painful on a Warrior.
ShadowsRequiem
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Originally Posted by tyla salanari
Err...no...if the enemy has no clue what they're doing, it's not suicidal.
Being in Frenzy and being under fire is already painful on a Warrior. |
Thats why people bring a cancel stance. To use it.
FlamingMetroid
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Originally Posted by tyla salanari
Being in Frenzy and being under fire is already painful on a Warrior.
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Tyla
What class other than a Warrior are you using it on anyway?
Assassins have Flurry and Tiger Stance for Dagger spikes.
Casters...well, self explanatory.
Dervishs have HoF.
Paragons have AR.
Rangers don't need an IAS unless they're running some shitty gimmick.
Anyone decent will target a non-Warrior in Frenzy as it's beyond an easy kill. Frenzy will be useless on that class at that point.
Oh yeah, at this:
The reason I said that, is because he said PvP. Flail = self snare and only good on Hammers in PvP.
Assassins have Flurry and Tiger Stance for Dagger spikes.
Casters...well, self explanatory.
Dervishs have HoF.
Paragons have AR.
Rangers don't need an IAS unless they're running some shitty gimmick.
Anyone decent will target a non-Warrior in Frenzy as it's beyond an easy kill. Frenzy will be useless on that class at that point.
Oh yeah, at this:
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ShadowsRequiem
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Originally Posted by tyla salanari
What class other than a Warrior are you using it on anyway?
Assassins have Flurry and Tiger Stance for Dagger spikes. Casters...well, self explanatory. Dervishs have HoF. Paragons have AR. Rangers don't need an IAS unless they're running some shitty gimmick. Anyone decent will target a non-Warrior in Frenzy as it's beyond an easy kill. Frenzy will be useless on that class at that point. Oh yeah, at this: The reason I said that, is because he said PvP. Flail = self snare and only good on Hammers in PvP. |
and dunno what pvp do you not include some sort of snare too? this is just getting silly.
And a/ws used to use frenzy and still can, you just can't be stupid. Though i'll agree flurry works just fine with the armor ignoring dmg.
Also no one said it had to be on PVP
Tyla
Please tell me why you're running Frenzy on other classes when they have better options available? And as I said, running Frenzy on a class BUT a Warrior is still suicidal if you see anyone who knows what they're doing will take you out. So then you have an IAS sitting there doing nothing.
It's not about you being stupid, It's about the opposition being stupid.
(By the way, Flail is a self-snare IAS and the drawback is extremely significant in PvP unless you're going Hammer. Things like Cripshot and Watersnare can be removed by Monks.)
It's not about you being stupid, It's about the opposition being stupid.
(By the way, Flail is a self-snare IAS and the drawback is extremely significant in PvP unless you're going Hammer. Things like Cripshot and Watersnare can be removed by Monks.)
Div
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Originally Posted by shoyon456
Um, excuse me? Frenzy can be used by anything X/W
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Hold on brb using frenzy on monk so I can take 400 damage lightning orbs.
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ShadowsRequiem
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Originally Posted by tyla salanari
Please tell me why you're running Frenzy on other classes when they have better options available? And as I said, running Frenzy on a class BUT a Warrior is still suicidal if you see anyone who knows what they're doing will take you out. So then you have an IAS sitting there doing nothing.
It's not about you being stupid, It's about the opposition being stupid. (By the way, Flail is a self-snare IAS and the drawback is extremely significant in PvP unless you're going Hammer. Things like Cripshot and Watersnare can be removed by Monks.) |
Flail in pvp yes only on a hammer warrior. But wait if you could re-read the OP never said just PVP.
Have you played crip shot? Unless you're running an RC cripple is covered up by 2 other conditions which can easily be re-applied.
Dark Kal
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Originally Posted by tyla salanari
Please tell me why you're running Frenzy on other classes when they have better options available? And as I said, running Frenzy on a class BUT a Warrior is still suicidal if you see anyone who knows what they're doing will take you out. So then you have an IAS sitting there doing nothing.
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Jam Jar
You see, there's the stupid Warriors (with Healing Breeze and Mending on), and there's the smarter ones. The smarter ones use IAS.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem
Never said I was running frenzy on other classes. The whole point of saying "its suicidal" is just dumb. If you know what you are doing you wont get killed 15 times cause you have frenzy up all the time.
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Have you played crip shot? Unless you're running an RC cripple is covered up by 2 other conditions which can easily be re-applied.[/QUOTE]
Weeeeelll...since I always use an RC Prot in GvG's yes. And it's only covered up by 1.
Kiting can also be good for it, but kiting a Ranger is hard anyway.
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Originally Posted by Dark Kal
You can just as easily use it on another melee class without being suicidal. What part of CANCEL STANCE do you not understand? Learn to play.
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Why are you using Frenzy on a x/W anyway? Learn to play.
I think before you try quoting me again you should look at Divine's post.
Sir Tidus
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Originally Posted by Alex the Great
what are you talking about!!!!!
IF you don't use them you officially suck!!!!!! Frenzy and flail are common, and i use flurry on a sin |
Quaker
Like anything else, the use of an IAS skill depends upon many factors. For example, it depends upon how many skills you are using, their recharge times, the energy used, your energy pool, etc., etc. Frankly, it's too long and involved to bother getting into here, but anyone who says things like "IF you don't use them you officially suck!!!!!!", really doesn't know what they're talking about, and can safely be ignored.
vixro
I use IAS on every melee character and I use faster casting on casters.... Speed is essential and everyone I know of uses it. It's almost ESSENTIAL in pvp, though a little more varied in pve. Ignore the above post.
Frenzy is great with a hammer or knockdown bar. You can build up your adrenaline and spam your KD skills so you aren't taking damage while it's activated. Also prot spirit mixed with frenzy makes it a lot easier to manage the extra damage taken.
Frenzy is great with a hammer or knockdown bar. You can build up your adrenaline and spam your KD skills so you aren't taking damage while it's activated. Also prot spirit mixed with frenzy makes it a lot easier to manage the extra damage taken.
Sir Tidus
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Originally Posted by vixro
I use IAS on every melee character and I use faster casting on casters.... Speed is essential and everyone I know of uses it. It's almost ESSENTIAL in pvp, though a little more varied in pve. Ignore the above post.
Frenzy is great with a hammer or knockdown bar. You can build up your adrenaline and spam your KD skills so you aren't taking damage while it's activated. Also prot spirit mixed with frenzy makes it a lot easier to manage the extra damage taken. |
Sir Tidus
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Originally Posted by Quaker
Like anything else, the use of an IAS skill depends upon many factors. For example, it depends upon how many skills you are using, their recharge times, the energy used, your energy pool, etc., etc. Frankly, it's too long and involved to bother getting into here, but anyone who says things like "IF you don't use them you officially suck!!!!!!", really doesn't know what they're talking about, and can safely be ignored.
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Tyla
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Originally Posted by Quaker
Like anything else, the use of an IAS skill depends upon many factors. For example, it depends upon how many skills you are using, their recharge times, the energy used, your energy pool, etc., etc. Frankly, it's too long and involved to bother getting into here, but anyone who says things like "IF you don't use them you officially suck!!!!!!", really doesn't know what they're talking about, and can safely be ignored.
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Sir Tidus
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Originally Posted by tyla salanari
Any Warrior should bring an IAS. Period.
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I D E L E T E D I
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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus
Even if you don't have NF for flail? Flurry needs lots of energy. Frenzy is not so hot in PvE where you fight giant mobs.
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Kale Ironfist
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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus
Protective spirit requires 10 energy and protection prayers. Also, in PvE, you tend to fight mobs that outnumber you, so there should be more than one enemy attacking you, so you can't KD everyone.
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[skill]Earth Shaker[/skill]
Now, the investment of 10 energy from your monk isn't so high, since there is less incoming damage to heal/prevent. Besides, with the right combination of skills, you can continually use Earth Shaker to knocklock. So you may as well use Frenzy anyway.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus
Even if you don't have NF for flail? Flurry needs lots of energy. Frenzy is not so hot in PvE where you fight giant mobs.
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But high armour allows more Frenzy.
Cancel stance for when you're becoming a main priority target.
ShadowsRequiem
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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus
Protective spirit requires 10 energy and protection prayers. Also, in PvE, you tend to fight mobs that outnumber you, so there should be more than one enemy attacking you, so you can't KD everyone.
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Also you talk about wars wasting energy.... this shouldnt be a problem unless you are using shock way to much. You shouldnt be using a bar with 6 energy attacks anyways. IAS + Zealous weapon should handle everything.
FlamingMetroid
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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus
I totally agree. I feel that flail is the only truely good IAS, that is if you have NF.
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Stormlord Alex
This thread is so full of fail it makes kittens cry.
IAS is good. All physicals that actually want to kill shit should be using one.
Period.
And Frenzy on anything other than a warrior is retarded.
Yes, Cancel stances, situational awereness, yada yada and the rest of that shit.
*yawn*
There's no compelling reason to run Frenzy on X/W - non-warrs tend to blow up as soon as anything looks at them, whereas a warrior can Frenzy under pressure; and non-warrs that need that IAS will have better options available to them - Tiger Stance on spiker 'sins, HoF, AR, RaO on thumpers, etc.
IAS is good. All physicals that actually want to kill shit should be using one.
Period.
And Frenzy on anything other than a warrior is retarded.
Yes, Cancel stances, situational awereness, yada yada and the rest of that shit.
*yawn*
There's no compelling reason to run Frenzy on X/W - non-warrs tend to blow up as soon as anything looks at them, whereas a warrior can Frenzy under pressure; and non-warrs that need that IAS will have better options available to them - Tiger Stance on spiker 'sins, HoF, AR, RaO on thumpers, etc.
Sir Tidus
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Originally Posted by Kale Ironfist
I point you to this skill:
[skill]Earth Shaker[/skill] Now, the investment of 10 energy from your monk isn't so high, since there is less incoming damage to heal/prevent. Besides, with the right combination of skills, you can continually use Earth Shaker to knocklock. So you may as well use Frenzy anyway. |