its guru everything becomes pvp after a while.
I think its kinda funny that sins use scythes in gvg now and cause more pain than dervishs in many cases
A/D Overpowered in PvE
Sir Pandra Pierva
isamu kurosawa
well its been stated before skills like keen chop where added to be used by sins. So crit strikes was designed to be used with other weapon types as well.
llsektorll
Okay did the test again for another hour.... with Way of the Master + Way of the Assassin + Critical Eye up... there was not one hit that was not a critical.
Sir Pandra Pierva
you watched your screen for a whole hour?
thats either really dedicated or you need to do something else in GW
thats either really dedicated or you need to do something else in GW
llsektorll
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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva
you watched your screen for a whole hour?
thats either really dedicated or you need to do something else in GW its not that hard not to notice a +3+1 energy go up on top of your characters head when you are in pve...
thats either really dedicated or you need to do something else in GW its not that hard not to notice a +3+1 energy go up on top of your characters head when you are in pve...
Sir Pandra Pierva
ok that kind of testing.
when you said testing i thought you went outside in the nameless isles and started attacking the one guy for an hour straight
when you said testing i thought you went outside in the nameless isles and started attacking the one guy for an hour straight
llsektorll
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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva
ok that kind of testing.
when you said testing i thought you went outside in the nameless isles and started attacking the one guy for an hour straight nah... i like on the field testing...
when you said testing i thought you went outside in the nameless isles and started attacking the one guy for an hour straight nah... i like on the field testing...
Coloneh
wow... people fail. sins are fine, this build isnt even that great. the damage isn't ridiculous and the crit chance isn't 100%.
has anyone even noticed that MS/DB is still better?
has anyone even noticed that MS/DB is still better?
llsektorll
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
wow... people fail. sins are fine, this build isnt even that great. the damage isn't ridiculous and the crit chance isn't 100%.
has anyone even noticed that MS/DB is still better? Mobious Strike and Death Blossom is good for fighting bosses... not really for frenzying afflicted in factions....
then there is something about wielding a scythe that makes it so much more leet than holding two butter knives in your hand
EDIT: maxed out asuran scan looks interesting... additional 75% dmg xD... OP
has anyone even noticed that MS/DB is still better? Mobious Strike and Death Blossom is good for fighting bosses... not really for frenzying afflicted in factions....
then there is something about wielding a scythe that makes it so much more leet than holding two butter knives in your hand
EDIT: maxed out asuran scan looks interesting... additional 75% dmg xD... OP
FlamingMetroid
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Originally Posted by llsektorll
then there is something about wielding a scythe that makes it so much more leet than holding two butter knives in your hand
Dragon Scythes = wins
now go back to MS/DB ;p
EDIT: just tested-
MS/DB = 81 DPS 181 max 7 sec to death @ 14 crit 14 dagger w/ +15 enchant zealous enchanting
Crit Scythe= 75 DPS 201 max 6 sec to death @ 14 crit 12 scythe w/ +15 enchant sundering fortitude
yay winning
Dragon Scythes = winsnow go back to MS/DB ;p
EDIT: just tested-
MS/DB = 81 DPS 181 max 7 sec to death @ 14 crit 14 dagger w/ +15 enchant zealous enchanting
Crit Scythe= 75 DPS 201 max 6 sec to death @ 14 crit 12 scythe w/ +15 enchant sundering fortitude
yay winning
llsektorll
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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid
Dragon Scythes = wins
now go back to M/DB ;p you mean Dragonic? or Surian?.... both look lame and small imo... I think the Tengu scythe is huge and matches my armor...
the only decent scythe out of tengu is the clockwork scythe....
daggers is boring after a while... especially with all the throw dirt rangers in factions.... assassins remedy ftw
now go back to M/DB ;p you mean Dragonic? or Surian?.... both look lame and small imo... I think the Tengu scythe is huge and matches my armor...
the only decent scythe out of tengu is the clockwork scythe....
daggers is boring after a while... especially with all the throw dirt rangers in factions.... assassins remedy ftw
Tyla
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Originally Posted by llsektorll
you mean Dragonic? or Surian?.... both look lame and small imo... I think the Tengu scythe is huge and matches my armor...
the only decent scythe out of tengu is the clockwork scythe.... Dragon Scythes. Recently had a name change to something, can't remember what. They are Daggers.
the only decent scythe out of tengu is the clockwork scythe.... Dragon Scythes. Recently had a name change to something, can't remember what. They are Daggers.
FlamingMetroid
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Originally Posted by llsektorll
you mean Dragonic? or Surian?.... both look lame and small imo... I think the Tengu scythe is huge and matches my armor...
the only decent scythe out of tengu is the clockwork scythe....
daggers is boring after a while... especially with all the throw dirt rangers in factions.... assassins remedy ftw Dragon Kamas
darn you name change
EDIT: dang tyla beat me
so i herd sin's remedy works with daggers and there are these weird things called monks, rits, necros, and paras that can remove conditions for you.
the only decent scythe out of tengu is the clockwork scythe....
daggers is boring after a while... especially with all the throw dirt rangers in factions.... assassins remedy ftw Dragon Kamas
darn you name change
EDIT: dang tyla beat me
so i herd sin's remedy works with daggers and there are these weird things called monks, rits, necros, and paras that can remove conditions for you.
zling
the skills Way of the Assassin and Way of the Master clearly indicate that the assassin class was meant to use other weapons besides daggers... skills like Malicious Strike being a melee attack just enforce this conclusion.
so whats the problem with non dagger using assassins?
so whats the problem with non dagger using assassins?
FlamingMetroid
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Originally Posted by zling
the skills Way of the Assassin and Way of the Master clearly indicate that the assassin class was meant to use other weapons besides daggers... skills like Malicious Strike being a melee attack just enforce this conclusion.
so whats the problem with non dagger using assassins? you can only MS/DB with daggers <3
so whats the problem with non dagger using assassins? you can only MS/DB with daggers <3
llsektorll
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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid
Dragon Kamas
darn you name change
EDIT: dang tyla beat me
so i herd sin's remedy works with daggers and there are these weird things called monks, rits, necros, and paras that can remove conditions for you. orly?
When I see "I'm using Healing Breeze on Eternal Was Shadows"... i rather give up on those monks... i'm better off with hero hench...
I need assassin's remedy to remove weakness caused by Weary Strike before Mystic Sweep hits.
darn you name change
EDIT: dang tyla beat me
so i herd sin's remedy works with daggers and there are these weird things called monks, rits, necros, and paras that can remove conditions for you. orly?
When I see "I'm using Healing Breeze on Eternal Was Shadows"... i rather give up on those monks... i'm better off with hero hench...
I need assassin's remedy to remove weakness caused by Weary Strike before Mystic Sweep hits.
Bobby2
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Originally Posted by llsektorll
I need assassin's remedy to remove weakness caused by Weary Strike before Mystic Sweep hits.
Metroid, this is the sexy part of the build.
That said I never run ScytheSins. In PvP, there's no Critical Agility - so I'd always be dissapointed by what is in my mind only 66% damage output. In PvE, SY! > all A/D's.
That said I never run ScytheSins. In PvP, there's no Critical Agility - so I'd always be dissapointed by what is in my mind only 66% damage output. In PvE, SY! > all A/D's.
Asha Rai
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Originally Posted by llsektorll
Okay did the test again for another hour.... with Way of the Master + Way of the Assassin + Critical Eye up... there was not one hit that was not a critical.
If you are testing on low level mobs, you will likely get 100% crit chance. Test it on the lvl 20 npcs in the isle of nameless, and you will find you get a fair number of normal hits.
Shadowmere
This is one thing I absolutely love about assassins, they're practically designed to be able to use any and every martial weapon to deadly effect.
None can match 'em when they use their native daggers, but with skills like [wiki]Way of the Master[/wiki], [wiki]Keen Chop[/wiki], [wiki]Keen Arrow[/wiki], [wiki]Disrupting Accuracy[/wiki] & [wiki]Vicious Attack[/wiki] Assassins can now wield any weapon as well as (and in some cases better) than their native class. Truley sins are the weapon masters
None can match 'em when they use their native daggers, but with skills like [wiki]Way of the Master[/wiki], [wiki]Keen Chop[/wiki], [wiki]Keen Arrow[/wiki], [wiki]Disrupting Accuracy[/wiki] & [wiki]Vicious Attack[/wiki] Assassins can now wield any weapon as well as (and in some cases better) than their native class. Truley sins are the weapon masters
Sir Pandra Pierva
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Originally Posted by Asha Rai
If you are testing on low level mobs, you will likely get 100% crit chance. Test it on the lvl 20 npcs in the isle of nameless, and you will find you get a fair number of normal hits.
unlike him i did test it out in the isle of the nameless while doing homework
large computer screens ftw.
anyway i have seen the math in and in theory they are right, but in fact i found that either i got really lucky and got all crits for an hour or its just that way.
so as far as i have seen
theory-impossible to 100% crit
in practice-really easy to 100% crit
large computer screens ftw.
anyway i have seen the math in and in theory they are right, but in fact i found that either i got really lucky and got all crits for an hour or its just that way.
so as far as i have seen
theory-impossible to 100% crit
in practice-really easy to 100% crit
Mork from Ork
Interesting
tried it briefly - replace assassin's remedy with way of perfection for a little healing and it handles hm stone elemental farming as well as the A/Mo build. A little slower on Cobblestone but took out a crown of thorns with less injury.
May have to do some tweaking and gives this a little more use.
tried it briefly - replace assassin's remedy with way of perfection for a little healing and it handles hm stone elemental farming as well as the A/Mo build. A little slower on Cobblestone but took out a crown of thorns with less injury.
May have to do some tweaking and gives this a little more use.
Tyla
No Assassin's Remedy = Wounding Strike > the aftermath of your damage.
The Arching Healer
Who cares that something is overpowered in PvE???
FlamingMetroid
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Originally Posted by The Arching Healer
Who cares that something is overpowered in PvE???
did you even read the thread >_>
RavagerOfDreams
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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid
did you even read the thread >_>
my spidey sense tell me he didn't
ontopic
scythesins are beastly in pve
*limitless energy
*100dmg per swing pritty much
*75% block rate
*conditions free (mostly)
yea its fun
ontopic
scythesins are beastly in pve
*limitless energy
*100dmg per swing pritty much
*75% block rate
*conditions free (mostly)
yea its fun
Carinae
So, how do you rig the scythe? Zealous/Fortitude? Sundering/Enchanting? or some other way?
15>50? or do you count on being hexed and go for 20% while hexed?
15>50? or do you count on being hexed and go for 20% while hexed?
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood
So, how do you rig the scythe? Zealous/Fortitude? Sundering/Enchanting? or some other way?
15>50? or do you count on being hexed and go for 20% while hexed? Zealous is pointless, seeing as you'll be getting 5 energy pretty much every hit. I'd say an enchanting scythe to put up your enchantments, then use a vampiric/fortitude scythe. 15^50 or 15 while enchanted would both work.
15>50? or do you count on being hexed and go for 20% while hexed? Zealous is pointless, seeing as you'll be getting 5 energy pretty much every hit. I'd say an enchanting scythe to put up your enchantments, then use a vampiric/fortitude scythe. 15^50 or 15 while enchanted would both work.
isamu kurosawa
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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood
So, how do you rig the scythe? Zealous/Fortitude? Sundering/Enchanting? or some other way?
15>50? or do you count on being hexed and go for 20% while hexed? Scythe, the weapon that sundering is actually useful on, a sundering scythe crit under [[aura of holy might] deals massive damage, and with crit strikes it happens quite often.
15^50 or ench are fine, +enchanting or +al i'd say.
15>50? or do you count on being hexed and go for 20% while hexed? Scythe, the weapon that sundering is actually useful on, a sundering scythe crit under [[aura of holy might] deals massive damage, and with crit strikes it happens quite often.
15^50 or ench are fine, +enchanting or +al i'd say.
Nittle Grasper
this is just something I made up cuz I wanted to use the new skill thingie +this build is like the BoA of PVE.
[build prof=A/Derv=Enchanted Striker scythe=12 critical=12+1+!][Wounding Strike][Eremite's Attack][Mystic Sweep][Way of The Master][Aura of Holy Might][Critical Agility][/build]
[build prof=A/Derv=Enchanted Striker scythe=12 critical=12+1+!][Wounding Strike][Eremite's Attack][Mystic Sweep][Way of The Master][Aura of Holy Might][Critical Agility][/build]
Sir Pandra Pierva
if i am usin enchants i actually like to use the enchant mod over the 15 50 mod
FoxBat
When you scythe critical all the time, sundering will actually yield better DPS than vampiric against lvl 20 targets. Lvl 28 I'm less sure about.
Sir Pandra Pierva
hmm someone would have to test it.
RavagerOfDreams
i was vanquishing last night and was dealing out 100-155 with a sundering on lvl 26 wars ^_^ sundering still works better at that lvl i know for a fact
gunna hafta get some1 to test lvl 28 though
gunna hafta get some1 to test lvl 28 though
llsektorll
dammit this happens every time.... i make a overpowered char and it gets a nerf... T_T.... shouldn't have made this thread maybe anet had a look .... like nerf on Fox's Promise wasn't enough..
Tyla
Scythesins were extremely strong.
I still think the tree should get hit too.
I still think the tree should get hit too.
Pyro maniac
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Originally Posted by llsektorll
dammit this happens every time.... i make a overpowered char and it gets a nerf... T_T.... shouldn't have made this thread maybe anet had a look .... like nerf on Fox's Promise wasn't enough..
either my sarcasm meter is broken or you are stupid
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by llsektorll
dammit this happens every time.... i make a overpowered char and it gets a nerf... T_T.... shouldn't have made this thread maybe anet had a look .... like nerf on Fox's Promise wasn't enough..
The changes to mystic/eremites has nothing to do with scythe sins in PvE. Like every single skill balance, it's because of PvP. The skills would have been changed regardless.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
The changes to mystic/eremites has nothing to do with scythe sins in PvE. Like every single skill balance, it's because of PvP. The skills would have been changed regardless.
I think s/he was pointing at the nerf to Assassin's Remedy.
But if s/he was pointing at the nerf to Mystic / Emerites, I would quote Pyro.
But if s/he was pointing at the nerf to Mystic / Emerites, I would quote Pyro.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Tyla
I think s/he was pointing at the nerf to Assassin's Remedy.
But if s/he was pointing at the nerf to Mystic / Emerites, I would quote Pyro. Oh right, AR was changed too.
Either way, the changes have nothing to do with this thread.
But if s/he was pointing at the nerf to Mystic / Emerites, I would quote Pyro. Oh right, AR was changed too.
Either way, the changes have nothing to do with this thread.
The Arching Healer
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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid
did you even read the thread >_>
who cares if I read the thread or not? Saying woot build is overpowered in pve land isnt important