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Malchior

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11 Apr 2008 at 12:23 - 1

"In the deepest waters of the sea, another dragon breathed, twisting the waters themselves into tentacled horrors that rose from every lake and river of the land."
-The Movement of the World

Right then. So, we've seen Primordus, we've seen Drakkar, we've seen Grothmar (Water dragon).

Now lets move onto the Deep Sea Dragon. I have a theory, more than likely not a new theory either, but a theory none the less. That this Deep sea dragon is none other than the creature that can be found in your GW prophecies manual. If you open your prophecies manual up to page 23 you'll find a map of tyria along with some text below it. You may notice a creature, located here. If you cann't quite make it out (No doubt), the bigger and more detailed version is here.

If you have the map from the prophecies special edition (The big fold-out one), then you'll noticed that there are a few other creatures on the map: A Devourer, A Minitaur, and a Phantom. These are all known and seen creatures. Why should this strange sea octopus thingy be any different? Personally I've never seen it in-game. And it looks to me as if that water is generally in the middle of nowhere, meaning it could be very deep.

The quote from "The movement of the world" article states that the deep sea dragon's breath makes tenticles out of the very water itself. I know the tenticles are from the beast and not the water, but hey this map WAS made when prophecies came out. Or at least a later version. It could be concept art added in, and everyone knows that concept art can change, sometimes alot. We've been allowed to view/find 3 of the 5 dragons. Perhaps we're meant to find all of them. Perhaps they've been hidden away for us to discover. If so then I do think that this is a rational and possible deep sea dragon.

These are all if's and but's. What do you all think?

(Sorry if this is a repeat thead )

Ghostcell

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11 Apr 2008 at 13:01 - 2

maybe something we'll see in GW2, would be awesome for them to implement battles over water (like in boats) or something, but it would also be very easy to screw up.

Malchior

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11 Apr 2008 at 13:03 - 3

Yeah, for instance there would always be the "Well why doesn't the dragon just tip the ship?"

would still be awesome though XD

Flem

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11 Apr 2008 at 13:23 - 4

I was hoping this was a thread about the true main ingriedient in Checkers' Deep Sea Double sandwhich...

Malchior

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11 Apr 2008 at 13:25 - 5

In time perhaps, since OBVIOUSLY we're gonna kill him. And after that, there's only one reasonable way to feed the hungry and dispose of the body in one hit. =P

Tenticle soup anyone? Wafer thin dragon fin?

Free Runner

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11 Apr 2008 at 16:39 - 6

Lets remember that back then Anet had probably not even imagined Guild Wars 2 let alone thought up its storyline. To me that just looks like a traditional idea of a sea monster. They knew we were never going to see any monsters of the sea so they put down their own version of a Kraken type monster.

As for the tenticles part - tenticles emergeing from the deep dark sea is the perfect idea of a nightmare. Pretty much every monster that lives down in the sea in stories usually has tenticles due to this horrorfiying vision of them slowly emerging and pulling you down.

Malchior

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11 Apr 2008 at 16:43 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Free Runner

Lets remember that back then Anet had probably not even imagined Guild Wars 2 let alone thought up its storyline. To me that just looks like a traditional idea of a sea monster. They knew we were never going to see any monsters of the sea so they put down their own version of a Kraken type monster.

Possibly, yes. But then like I said, all the other creatures are real. Doesn't confirm anything, but it does stack the chances up higher...

Free Runner

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11 Apr 2008 at 17:01 - 8

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Originally Posted by Malchior

Possibly, yes. But then like I said, all the other creatures are real. Doesn't confirm anything, but it does stack the chances up higher...

All the other creatures are viewable though...viewable as in we can reach the places they reside in. Like i said they probably decided to put that there for decoration knowing our characters cannot enter the sea and therefore cannot see any enemies that live in the sea.

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We've been allowed to view/find 3 of the 5 dragons. Perhaps we're meant to find all of them. Perhaps they've been hidden away for us to discover. If so then I do think that this is a rational and possible deep sea dragon

There are no visible Dragons outside Eye of the North. The reason for this is because everything about the Dragons is lore that never existed until Guild Wars 2 and Eye of the North. For this very reason they have made the lore so the Dragons that are not visible are in places we cannot reach.

Malchior

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11 Apr 2008 at 17:25 - 9

Hmmmm...Well if you are right fair do's. But if you're wrong I get to name it. =P

Maybe I'll name him Fred

DarkFlame

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11 Apr 2008 at 20:26 - 10

I think that map and the creatures on it, were more meant to imitate early european maps, which tended to have monsters marking where the flat world ended, then to relay any info on monsters in game.

That and that the creature does indeed look like a Kraken, which are in Factions and is something they would have started working on once Prophecies was released.

Malchior

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11 Apr 2008 at 22:59 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkFlame

I think that map and the creatures on it, were more meant to imitate early european maps, which tended to have monsters marking where the flat world ended, then to relay any info on monsters in game.

That and that the creature does indeed look like a Kraken, which are in Factions and is something they would have started working on once Prophecies was released.

Yes, but the phantom's also are very similar to the kraken. I'm not 100% sure but they might share skins

Dru Stratas

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11 Apr 2008 at 23:59 - 12

I think you have put all the research in, and have done a good job. If you are right, you are right, and it all adds together.

However, it does just look like an early european map.

But as I said, everything you have shown us this far all adds up...

We'll see

Konig Des Todes

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12 Apr 2008 at 01:35 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Free Runner

Lets remember that back then Anet had probably not even imagined Guild Wars 2 let alone thought up its storyline. To me that just looks like a traditional idea of a sea monster. They knew we were never going to see any monsters of the sea so they put down their own version of a Kraken type monster.

I gotta agree with Free Runner with this part. When ANet was making prophecies, the most they give real evidence to planning out with the storyline of Guild Wars is up to Nightfall. Although it is possible that that is a concept art for the Deep Sea Dragon, I highly doubt it. Same thing goes for the "Lighthouse" and "Kaineng" Dragons in factions. And for the
"Possible Undead Dragon", I would say the same thing.

If that is how the Deep Sea Dragon does look like, then I believe that your theory would be reversed to how that drawing is used. The drawing would be a random sea creature, and the Dragon would be based off of that, not because the drawing was meant to be the dragon, but because it fits well with the idea of the deep sea dragon.

Malchior

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15 Apr 2008 at 07:49 - 14

I know. It would be cool though. I know GW prophecies was made waaaaay before they even decided to make GW2. But yeah, it would be very cool if they HAD drawn that beast and ended up not using it at the last minute. They might have put it aside for another purpose.

I hope so anyway.

Yoom Omer

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16 Apr 2008 at 19:07 - 15

Remember - this map is human made, as we can see an exact copy of it ingame in diessa lowlands. If this mape was created by mankind, how did they knew there was that "dragon" in there? Even if they had a way to know, their knowledge wasn't accurate for sure. We need to take this map with a pinch of salt...
Last thing : this map was made after the searing (check the orr pensiluna). No ascalon ships sailed so far after the searing (or sailed at all). If this map is made of something but the drawer imagination, it's legends. Legends we can not trust.

Owik Gall

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23 May 2008 at 07:15 - 16

That sea creature would make a great boss to beat in GW2. It's best that if it happens it would be right at the shore of the sea, or on a beach. As for the intriguing question of the possibility of a deep sea dragon, I disagree with that. It instead resembles more of a kraken, which is those octopus creatures. At best, it could be one of the sub-bosses to fight before you get to the main antagonists. If something like that did show up as a sub-boss that would be like playing a game with one more major boss which would add in the fun.

Neo Atomisk

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04 Dec 2008 at 13:20 - 17

I agree with the theory of European maps. I once thought that every dormant dragon was one of our good friends, but that isn't the case.

draxynnic

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18 Dec 2008 at 14:52 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malchior

Yes, but the phantom's also are very similar to the kraken. I'm not 100% sure but they might share skins

They do. That's why they don't leave visible corpses even though they do in fact leave exploitable (but invisible) corpses.

Regarding the main topic: As has already been stated, ANet doesn't seem to have been planning that far ahead. That said, however, that doesn't mean they're going to eschew that artwork just because it wasn't initially intended to mean anything.

ApocalypseAzza

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26 Jan 2009 at 11:25 - 19

So maybe we fight sea monsters from ships...imaginethat...i dont think thats been done before

I WANT TO FIGHT MOSTERS FROM SHIPS

Beast4511

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26 Jan 2009 at 13:50 - 20

from my understanding there is no evidence that tyrias current sentient beings knew of the dragons whilst they were awake, and i would imagine the map would represent a map made by one of these races thus showing creatures from not much earlier then exodus thus, the creature on the map is just a sea monster not the dragon as the dragon is dormant under the water, and if infact the map was made when the dragons were awake then woudnt you imagine that the dragons being so huge an destructive would all be on the map. but thats just my opinion

DarkFlame

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27 Jan 2009 at 02:29 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beast4511

if infact the map was made when the dragons were awake then woudnt you imagine that the dragons being so huge an destructive would all be on the map.

The Great Wall is there and un-breached and the Desert is a desert rather then the swamp land it once was. So no, the map can't be from around when the Dragons were last awake.

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So maybe we fight sea monsters from ships...imaginethat...i dont think thats been done before

Ship decks are small, thats why you don't see it done often(if at all).

Konig Des Todes

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27 Jan 2009 at 05:03 - 22

Ship fights with monsters is done (God of War is such a game) - but it's not often due to what DarkFlame said.

And as pointed out before, knowledge of the Ancient Dragons does not exist at all in terms of lore until they awaken - not even by Abaddon, which is a common belief that he knew of them - that being said, the map cannot be from the times of the Ancient Dragons as 1) it would mean that knowledge of them is around and 2) the map shows post-searing environment (Crystal Desert instead of Crystal Sea *not swamp* and the Great Wall are just two things - Orr being sunken is a third).

ApocalypseAzza

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27 Jan 2009 at 16:03 - 23

Yes, but maybe just a wee mission, would be fun. obviously not some big part of the game like luxons and kurzicks. But a big dragon coming out of the water and attacking you and your team while on a ship...thats so cool! armour +10 while steering the wheel

Robbeh The Mad

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25 Mar 2009 at 03:37 - 24

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2.../seadragon.jpg

hmm maybe...

xKyo

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25 Mar 2009 at 03:42 - 25

Maybe that's Kuunavang

Winterclaw

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25 Mar 2009 at 03:47 - 26

The idea of the other dragons probably came after factions was completed. And there are tons of stuff frozen in the jade sea as well as that thing.

Il Fez Il

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25 Mar 2009 at 04:22 - 27

Thats most likely a leviathan like in the Deep mission. I saw it before, but I don't remember where.

travis ranger

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25 Mar 2009 at 04:34 - 28

outside of the outpost for 15k luxon if i'm not mistaken

Konig Des Todes

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25 Mar 2009 at 05:19 - 29

Leviathan. As GW2 wasn't even an idea until the development of Utopia; Prophecies, Factions and Nightfall will be devoid of any GW2 hints.

Several different Leviathans *most found in Rhea's Crater* have been thought to be the Deep Sear Dragon. But this is incorrect. The Deep Sea Dragon is located in between Tyria/Elona and Cantha/the Battle Isles. At least, that would be the best guess for "In the deepest waters of the sea" - not in the Deep or in the Jade Sea.

Afterall, GW2 is mainly focused on Tyria, not Cantha or Elona it seems *only the Northwestern part of Elona such as the Crystal Desert may get a view in GW2's initial release - Cantha will probably be in the expansion if there is one*.

Edit: Although this thread is incorrect, it belongs in the lore forum *and can in fact be merged into the Ancient Dragon thread there - in fact, if you looked in that thread, you'd find at least 3 leviathan pics in there suspected to be the "Deep Sea Dragon"*

Il Fez Il

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25 Mar 2009 at 05:20 - 30

Na I know that I was saying I can't remember where I saw that said it was a leviathan.

leetLoLa

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25 Mar 2009 at 09:35 - 31

hahaha leviathan

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25 Mar 2009 at 13:45 - 32

definitely a claw of something ;-)

Robbeh The Mad

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26 Mar 2009 at 01:20 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Afterall, GW2 is mainly focused on Tyria, not Cantha or Elona it seems *only the Northwestern part of Elona such as the Crystal Desert may get a view in GW2's initial release - Cantha will probably be in the expansion if there is one*.*

Now I understand, that you may know more than most about GW and I'm pretty sure you know far more than me, but how do you know what area GW 2 is going to focus on? Seeing how we know nothing at all about GW2 and the information on the game is mostly rumor and concept, not fact.

Karuro

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04 Apr 2009 at 20:34 - 34

It's because almost the entire Movement of the World article is about continent Tyria.

Cantha and Elona are cut off and not reachable at present day GW2.

Lishy

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05 Apr 2009 at 06:40 - 35

Probably a dragon, but just a random dragon that's only importance is to serve as decoration. Similar to the Bone Dragon in The Catacombs of pre.

Now Diabolical

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05 Apr 2009 at 12:02 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karuro

It's because almost the entire Movement of the World article is about continent Tyria.

Cantha and Elona are cut off and not reachable at present day GW2.

Well, it was mentioned that players will be able to discover Orr (Orr will appear out of the Sea).
Charrs, Norn and Asura only live in Tyria.

The Stories from Cantha and Elona (as we know today) will end.
Cantha isolates itself, Palawa Joko conquers Elona and throws dark Shadows over former sunny Tyria's South.

The Order of Whispers will help in Tyria to fight against the Dragons and a new, not clear defined Town will be grow up.

draxynnic

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06 Apr 2009 at 01:05 - 37

What's happened in Elona has been built up quite a bit for a story that has 'ended'. I suspect it might be in the first expansion pack, and, in fact, might actually be possible to reach in the original release. It's mentioned as being cut off, but heroes are heroes - an overland route may be possible. (In fact, it's mentioned that the Order of Whispers is able to maintain communications between Kryta and Elona, which suggests that they know of a means to get there.)

Cantha, on the other hand, is completely cut off, and when we do get there we may find something quite different to what we expect.

Gmr Leon

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07 Apr 2009 at 00:23 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kain Fz

Probably a dragon, but just a random dragon that's only importance is to serve as decoration. Similar to the Bone Dragon in The Catacombs of pre.

It's not a dragon, as has already been stated. It is simply a Jade Sea Leviathan, which is proven by those that break free from the jade in the Deep.

Divinus Stella

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07 Apr 2009 at 21:47 - 39

There are plenty of huge dragon carcasses in the crystal desert, like the one in the hidden area in dunes of despair and the one near augury rock thats surrounded by griffons, i dont think they match the scale of the one under drakkar lake but dragons are certainly something already in GW lore from the start.

Gmr Leon

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08 Apr 2009 at 00:41 - 40

Actually, the general consensus surrounding those skeletons is that they are of Giganticus Lupicus.