You'd think it was unlikely wouldnt you...?
It seems however that ANet are not above it.
How is it that 2 employees of Anet are allowed to be in Guilds that win competitions yet the Rules clearly state its a breach of the Rules they made.
As an added note: When this is mentioned (elsewhere) the response is "Oh well, he didnt take part"...erm, I may be being a little slow here but as I understand it the Rules says employee=ineligible....
I was then informed that the "Rule changes required to allow those staff to remain in the Guilds" was ONLY published thru a NON official source (AND I might add a limited source - rawr radio to be precise)
So, what part of that is fair? What part strikes you as a little suspect? The bit about changing Rules to suit the need? OR the bit about publication ONLY thru a non official source. Please note: The Rules are still the same as they always were on the website. NO changes have been made to reflect this "alleged" change to the Rules allowing staff to remain where they were. So am I to believe that listeners of rawr radio are exempt from ALL GW Rules and no one else in GWland is?
OR is the fact that having an employee on side DOES actually give the Guild an advantage irrespective of whether he plays in the tourney or not.
Can rawr radio now be classified as an official source of info now?
Insider knowledge and Cronism..... are these what Guild Wars is about now... is it that stale that even the staff flout rules and make them up as they go along?
$10,000 goes a long way for some people.... even better when you KNOW youre gonna win it......
How can this be a problem i hear you ask... well Ill use what another poster in another forum wrote and you can decide....
He (the Dev) could have told them about the screw up in map rotation. He could have told them when it was being reverted. That could have won them two games out of 7 by itself, a vast advantage. Of course, the implications for the conflict of interest portion are much greater. Their weapons could be more potent, 50/50 instead of 40/40 (this sort of thing happens, look up EVE and associated scandals), they could all pick up a regen, and so on. Devs feeling a part of a group gives them strong incentive for bias on behalf of that group and very may well lead to cheating either in the giving of privileged information (like the map changes) or in a more material sense. It is to avoid this situation that devs aren't allowed in competing guilds. It doesn't matter whether or not you think a violation may have occurred- you often never know in these cases. The point is to prevent the question from ever coming up. If it does come up, something is wrong.
When Game Developers Cheat
Cuthroat Dibbler
fenix
A lot of people think rawr shouldn't have been allowed to either win, or have AP in their guild. It happened anyway, because Anet can do what they want, apparently. It just sucks for all the other guilds who have been ineligible for the last 3ish years, even though apparently they could enter if the person didn't play.
Tarun
That's ridiculous. Can we say "hypocritical" anyone?
lacasner
Yea a lot of people in my guild got quite annoyed at what happened during the last MaT. However, it's not like they were actually surprised, just really pissed off. I guess you know things are going bad when your top players of your game actually have their expectations of it almost to nill.
Regardless, this should have been solved.
Regardless, this should have been solved.
slowerpoke
i dont mind, i picked rawr to win 
oh and anyone raging about this, next time put your energy into not loosing
oh and anyone raging about this, next time put your energy into not loosing
fenix
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i dont mind, i picked rawr to win
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Toxage
Arena Net has lost all respect from me as a company.
I wonder how Arena Net's public relations are going to spin this one around.
/popcorn
I wonder how Arena Net's public relations are going to spin this one around.
/popcorn
Ekelon
I think someone's read too much Team Quitter forum flame.
*whips out a bag of popcorn and sits across from toxage*
Doesn't it suck for you to know that those "two games" were the only games that we lost in the whole tournament. Round 1 on Isle of Solitude vs. You Failed and Round 5 on Frozen Isle vs. Revive Teammates [rezz]. But wait! Maybe we lost those two on purpose. 
*whips out a bag of popcorn and sits across from toxage*
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He (the Dev) could have told them about the screw up in map rotation. He could have told them when it was being reverted. That could have won them two games out of 7 by itself, a vast advantage.
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Martin Alvito
1) I doubt that an outgoing community rep is much of a competitive advantage in an AT. There are only so many ways to manipulate the outcome, virtually all of them are traceable, and your hypothetical suspect would literally be putting his job on the line in order to give [rawr] a boost. Further, it's not like they don't already have the prize most important to competitive players (capes = ego > RL prizes). I don't buy it.
2) That said, this rule is literally the oldest rule in competitive play. It's common sense and common knowledge. Everyone involved used some extremely poor judgment.
You would expect (given that the rules were as stated by OP at the time of the tournament) that AP will get a solid reprimand at work. I'd say the appropriate response is to compel [rawr] to vacate their prizes and move everyone they beat up a level in the prize food chain. Then find a way to deal with the problem going forward.
EDIT: Adjusted last paragraph to deal with the two possiblities: the "everyone in the know already knew it was OK, we just didn't update" explanation, and the "OP" explanation.
2) That said, this rule is literally the oldest rule in competitive play. It's common sense and common knowledge. Everyone involved used some extremely poor judgment.
You would expect (given that the rules were as stated by OP at the time of the tournament) that AP will get a solid reprimand at work. I'd say the appropriate response is to compel [rawr] to vacate their prizes and move everyone they beat up a level in the prize food chain. Then find a way to deal with the problem going forward.
EDIT: Adjusted last paragraph to deal with the two possiblities: the "everyone in the know already knew it was OK, we just didn't update" explanation, and the "OP" explanation.
arsie
Looks like this is going to be the 300 post thread of the day.
Welcome to Guru Ms Beunaobra (sp?).
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[DE]
This was discussed to death on the QQ forums and the outcome was that the devs just haven't got around to making the rules more specific - that is, any dev can be in a guild as long as they don't play in the tournament
arsie
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You can be sure that AP will get a solid reprimand at work.
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Toxage
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1) I doubt that an outgoing community rep is much of a competitive advantage.
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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito
1) I doubt that an outgoing community rep is much of a help.
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arsie
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This was discussed to death on the QQ forums and the outcome was that the devs just haven't got around to making the rules more specific - that is, any dev can be in a guild as long as they don't play in the tournament
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Martin Alvito
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Why would he be reprimanded? "Work" knew he is in rawr when they changed the rule to approve it to enter.
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If, by contrast, the staff has been told what the rule indicates, and ANet is making up the rules as they go here in order to serve "fairness", then we have a problem.
The explanation "Oh, we made new rules, we just didn't get around to telling you all," fits either set of facts. Without some additional outside confirmation of the former explanation, this looks like the latter.
Are there other well-known ANet employees that are members of guilds that compete (well) in the monthlies? This would support the former explanation pretty conclusively.
xRustyx
k guys i'll come clean on this
it was me.
oh i forgot this isn't about my wife in which case who gives a shit.
it was me.
oh i forgot this isn't about my wife in which case who gives a shit.
Inde
@#$@#$@!#$@!, here I was saying to myself 2-3 weeks ago, when this happened, that I was so happy there wasn't a thread on this in Riverside. AND NOW YOU'VE BLOWN IT.
Apparently we are slacking off people.
Apparently we are slacking off people.
Div
Polly just said it! They use mending refrain to hide their SUPER SECRET REGEN CHEATZ.
Savio
The OP starts with a strong point but finishes with rambling. Is it that hard to make a decent post? 
Ork Pride
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That's ridiculous. Can we say "hypocritical" anyone?
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RhanoctJocosa
cry me a riverside D:
blakecraw
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Polly just said it! They use mending refrain to hide their SUPER SECRET REGEN CHEATZ.
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Tiny Killer
/yawn
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Torsen1
You've found me out.
Oh well, it was good while it lasted.
Oh well, it was good while it lasted.
Asplode
Thank you, Andrew Patrick!
fenix
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Thank you, Andrew Patrick! |
maraxusofk
who gives a flying shit bout this. yeah anet is hypocritical but by now all you guild wars veterans should be used to this kinda crap from anet, be it from the bmp to other stuff. besides this game is nearly dead so beating the dead horse aint gonna improve it.
Cale Roughstar
I can see why a lot of people would be bent about this. From what I understand of the rules rawr is clearly in infringement of them. Then again what is the likelyhood that the number 2 gvg guild in all of GW would win the AT? Pretty decent. So, is it really worth getting your shorts in a knot? Not really...
kratimas
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Chestnut
Wow.. gg a.net.
1 up and 2 down
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QQ PvP rant because my team lost QQ QQ
QQ blah blah blah blah QQ QQ |
fenix
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You have no evidence that Anet "cheated". You are just ranting because you are mad your team wasn't good enough to win.
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Not about losing, it's about Anet breaking rules.
Zahr Dalsk
Who cares, it's just another game's PvP. If it matters that much then just remove [rawr] from the end results as far as prize distribution goes.
1 up and 2 down
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WTS reading skills.
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The fact of the matter is the OP is mad his guild lost. So he is lashing out at Anet because a dev is in the rawr guild. But of course he wasn't even playing in the tournament. Of course the OP would even be able to rant about rawr winning if there wasn't a dev in the guild.
Konig Des Todes
Lesson of the day:
Don't 'Cheat' ANet *people will find out faster than it takes for a Raccoon to choke from garbage*, be specific on rules, and Follow Them.
Don't 'Cheat' ANet *people will find out faster than it takes for a Raccoon to choke from garbage*, be specific on rules, and Follow Them.
Ekelon
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Lesson of the day:
Don't 'Cheat' ANet *people will find out faster than it takes for a Raccoon to choke from garbage*, be specific on rules, and Follow Them. |
Dr Strangelove
I too am furiously angry for unspecified reasons.
Lyphen
Meh, if Anet likes the guildchat, and PvEing or TAing with 'em I say go for it. But they deffinatly shouldn't be allowed in the tournament battles.
ShadowsRequiem
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I think someone's read too much Team Quitter forum flame.
*whips out a bag of popcorn and sits across from toxage* Doesn't it suck for you to know that those "two games" were the only games that we lost in the whole tournament. Round 1 on Isle of Solitude vs. You Failed and Round 5 on Frozen Isle vs. Revive Teammates [rezz]. But wait! Maybe we lost those two on purpose. |
StormDragonZ
All I have to say is:
This quote usually never fails to answer any problem.
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