Two people I know made arrangements to trade pre gold for post gold. Player A is taking his character to post, player B is staying in pre. They prearrange the trade. Player A gives player B the pre gold, then in post player B, on different character, gives player A post gold. Apparently this raised a flag with Anet, or whomever, both were temp banned and told the involved gold will be removed.
They are currently involved with support hoping to resolve this. Just a word of warning.
A word of warning before trading gold among accounts
Perkunas
Zan Usi Quan
stop the banning?
/signed!
/signed!
Avai
Some people in my guild encountered this as well.
One friend has a "perma-pre" who stays in Pre-Searing permanently with his main character. He wants as much money as possible so he can buy all the other perma-pre's minipets. He trades his Post-Searing gold to guildies who give them their Pre-Searing gold before leaving the tutorial world to continue with the rest of the game.
I don't think this should be a problem, but I can understand why ANet would flag people for trading large amounts of gold to stop real-money traders.
One friend has a "perma-pre" who stays in Pre-Searing permanently with his main character. He wants as much money as possible so he can buy all the other perma-pre's minipets. He trades his Post-Searing gold to guildies who give them their Pre-Searing gold before leaving the tutorial world to continue with the rest of the game.
I don't think this should be a problem, but I can understand why ANet would flag people for trading large amounts of gold to stop real-money traders.
CagedinSanity
Some Anet employees have permapres themselves. I think if you just contact them and tell them what was going on, they'd unban.
Kattar
Gold trading can get you banned even if you're not buying it?
WHAT!!!1!one!!
Oh wait, I already knew that...Thanks for the warning though.
WHAT!!!1!one!!
Oh wait, I already knew that...Thanks for the warning though.
Ulterion
I think Anet's taking it a little too far, speculating every transaction like that. Sure, it's great that they have initiative to stop illegal transactions & such, but if they take down the wrong people and punish them imprudently, they'll be driving away their customers and force them to either purchase another account or move on to another MMO. Not to mention the player's loss of in-game funds is unjust and cruel on Anet's part. I have many perma-pre characters as well, and now I have a growing fear of trading post for pre due to this new insight.
/signed for enstating in the EULA that Anet employees shall not tap player's transactions without a warranted cause.
/signed for enstating in the EULA that Anet employees shall not tap player's transactions without a warranted cause.
Shadowmoon
This shows one thing, A-net never learns. Remember back in December, same thing happened. Seem to me the safest thing to do is NEVER ONE SIDE TRADE, always trade something back, even if it is junk, odds are the guy working at support wont' know it is junk, remmeber it NCsoft support, not Anet. Probablity the guy who banned you knows nothing about the game, or what is pre or post. Just get a automated flag saying alot of gold was tranfered, and he rubber stamped it, then added it to the total so Anet can report to us saying look at all these account we banned and gold we removed, we are anti RMT.
makosi
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Shadowmoon
After having my friend have one account temp banned, and another perm banned last december for trading 300k post for a kuunavang pre, and take a week is have the matter resolved, I have little faith in A-net support. Heck, he asked what was traded, and if it was a one sided trade, and they hide behind privacy of the other account BS, even though that info would not lead to any account information. If you got banned, would you like to know the action that got you banned, not a blanket responce of "you traded with a known gold seller" response he got. Guild Wars is a good game, but its support sucks.
lyra_song
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This simply shows that Anet is PAYING ATTENTION.
What you see is a negative, i see as a positive.
Flags are raised because one sided gold trades for large amounts of gold is VERY suspicious.
False positives will ALWAYS happen. No system is perfect.
This simply shows that Anet is PAYING ATTENTION.
What you see is a negative, i see as a positive.
Flags are raised because one sided gold trades for large amounts of gold is VERY suspicious.
False positives will ALWAYS happen. No system is perfect.
Whisper Evenstar
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This simply shows that Anet is PAYING ATTENTION. What you see is a negative, i see as a positive. Flags are raised because one sided gold trades for large amounts of gold is VERY suspicious. False positives will ALWAYS happen. No system is perfect. |
less whining from the community would be nice considering the drastic reduction in bots and gold sellers we have seen over the last n months. no system is perfect, so the true measure should be if anet recognize the mistake and correct the situation (which i believe they have been doing consistently from the posts i have seen).
Enko
odd. i transfer money between my accounts all the time and never had a problem.
Lord Feathers
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This simply shows that Anet is PAYING ATTENTION. What you see is a negative, i see as a positive. Flags are raised because one sided gold trades for large amounts of gold is VERY suspicious. False positives will ALWAYS happen. No system is perfect. |
aspenwi
So what your saying is I can't transfer gold between my char without the possabilty of a ban? If that's the case then they need to up the amount you can store in storage.
xPIMPx
Only serious solution is to use me as your personal storage acount. You get 5% intereset each year!
Rehnahvah Gahro
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/agree
less whining from the community would be nice considering the drastic reduction in bots and gold sellers we have seen over the last n months. no system is perfect, so the true measure should be if anet recognize the mistake and correct the situation (which i believe they have been doing consistently from the posts i have seen). |
I think the system has to be tuned a little bit more, so that bots and gold-sellers will be banned, but innocent players are unharmed.
Witchblade
never had a prob either ^^
btw: it's ok to "pay 100k for an id kit"
btw: it's ok to "pay 100k for an id kit"
Chthon
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This simply shows that Anet is PAYING ATTENTION.
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lyra_song
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But it also shows that they are banning before looking at the surrounding chat logs that (presumably) would have shown them that the transaction was an innocent one. And that's just sloppy. No system is perfect, but this one is unnecessarily bad.
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Anet has done this before. They ban based on specific situations (like very large one sided transactions), then comb through for the false positives.
If you recall the duping bans, there were those who reported it also got banned, simply because the system does a blanket ban, and they were later unbanned.
Its actually a more efficient system than combing through every possible ban, since thats a waste of time. The ones who fight to be unbanned will get the attention, and the ones who don't stay banned.
Vic
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never had a prob either ^^
btw: it's ok to "pay 100k for an id kit" |
Some guy came on like ''I made $500 off selling my gw gold and I found a method that I won't get banned when I sell to the shops!
I just tell them to put a bone in the trade section and we're both safe"
I was whispering my friend ingame ''hahahha ban to come for this guy? ^^"
2 Minutes later this guy said ''Shit I got disconnected'' and he also got 045'd :--DDDDDD
Oh yes, allow post->pre trading..
-Vic
Ctb
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It's unreasonable to expect this to be a manual process. It would take a lot of time and that costs money and that means customers pay more. Alternatively, they can do what they do: automatically identify shady dealings and ban them, then unban people who identify the dealings as legitimate.
The major point is that what the OP is describing is very unlikely to be something most people who aren't breaking TOS do, so it's very unlikely to affect many people who aren't breaking TOS. They engaged in an oddball trade that was clearly sketchy, got banned, and now they'll be unbanned when they provide an explanation for the motivation and backstory to the trade.
No biggie. It's standard fare even in the real world. If you're doing something that looks criminal, you can be picked up and held for a set period of time until they either identify what you were doing as criminal and charge you, or figure out you were just doing something that [i]looked]/i] funny.
KIDGOOCH
They can find one guy who trades to a guildie, but can't find the whisper bots? A-Net needs to prioritize!!!
Div
Yeah, Ensign got banned before a mAT once for gold trading between accounts. Epic.
...So did lemming, but no one cares about him
...So did lemming, but no one cares about him
Kendar Muert
If they'd just ban the bots and nothing else, the problem would be solved. Its not like its hard to find them...
t00115577
Does that mean if a friend says 'Can i borrow 100k to buy xxxx' that ye can both be banned?
Totally bloddy crazy, theres so many other things they can be sorting out, like bots, leechers, URSAN!! and they ban people for nothing, gg anet
Totally bloddy crazy, theres so many other things they can be sorting out, like bots, leechers, URSAN!! and they ban people for nothing, gg anet
lemming
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Yeah, Ensign got banned before a mAT once for gold trading between accounts. Epic.
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Kendar Muert
Poor lemming :P
freaky naughty
Will people ever learn to never use one-sided trades? Just trade a piece of crap for that gold and you'll probably be fine.
Ctb
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Bear in mind this logic tree would have to actually run on modern computer hardware without consuming all of the resources.
No offense or anything, but as a computer professional, it really irritates me when people say things about computer science that so clearly betray how little experience they actually have solving those sorts of fundamental field problems. It's only easy to identify bots when you're looking at them because of the way your brain works. It picks up on contextual and behavioral clues. Computers know two things: 1 and 0. All "thought" they do must be built from true and false evaluations. To get a computer to "understand" bots the way you do, you'd first need to advance AI programming by a few years, if not decades.
So, no, picking out bots, for a computer program, is not at all easy.
And, of course, if you were being sarcastic, my bad...
Whisper Evenstar
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Yes, but imagine you were the innocent victim. You would not be talking like that anymore, would you? Especially if it takes 1 week or so to resolve the problem (if it will be resolved at all).
I think the system has to be tuned a little bit more, so that bots and gold-sellers will be banned, but innocent players are unharmed. |
Also, see the post above for more supporting arguments from someone else who understands the scope of the problem.
Dallcingi
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Will people ever learn to never use one-sided trades? Just trade a piece of crap for that gold and you'll probably be fine.
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Chthon
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the system is automated, can't you see that?
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cosyfiep
you forget that a lot of people dont know they can appeal (the automated thingy usually says NO APPEALS....so most take it to the letter and just give up even IF they are not guilty)......many of the people dont know how to appeal and lots of the ones that do are 
about getting banned for doing something like moving plat between their accounts!! they usually arent very eloquent when replying either...
(I always give something to my husband when he give me items that he doesnt want---and vise versa when I give him dye--he has the storage space for it).
about getting banned for doing something like moving plat between their accounts!! they usually arent very eloquent when replying either...(I always give something to my husband when he give me items that he doesnt want---and vise versa when I give him dye--he has the storage space for it).
Kashrlyyk
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the system is automated, can't you see that?
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If you recall the duping bans, there were those who reported it also got banned, simply because the system does a blanket ban, and they were later unbanned.
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Its actually a more efficient system than combing through every possible ban, since thats a waste of time. The ones who fight to be unbanned will get the attention, and the ones who don't stay banned.
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....Alternatively, they can do what they do: automatically identify shady dealings and ban them, then unban people who identify the dealings as legitimate.
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Malice Black
I swapped 7 stacks ecto between accounts before. Never been banned once. This was a while ago though.
MoriaOrc
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Yes, but imagine you were the innocent victim. You would not be talking like that anymore, would you? Especially if it takes 1 week or so to resolve the problem (if it will be resolved at all).
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Also, what Ctb said about automated systems. The best way to do this (assuming it isn't too common) would be to have an automated system highlight suspicious cases, then have a human do some checks that are very hard to automate (like looking at chat logs, or looking for other trades that may indicate some sort of transfer).
Lykan
I need to trade some money from selling zkeys from one account to another but now im scared
Carinae
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I swapped 7 stacks ecto between accounts before. Never been banned once. This was a while ago though.
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Patrick Smit
I traded like 100k gold from one account to my second account, i have experienced no problem whatsoever
Viking
Reading through this I'd say this rule is complete bullshit.